Re: removed foreign architecture
fxkl47BF composed on 2024-04-15 18:23 (UTC): > i run bullseye amd64 > i had i386 as a foreign architecture and removed it with no problems > i noticed the message > warning: while removing libsane1:i386, directory > '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/sane' not empty so not removed > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ has > libsane.la libsane.so libsane.so.1 libsane.so.1.0.26 pkgconfig/ sane/ > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/sane has a passel of libs > should these be left, removed, or none of the above In the past, and possibly still, printer manufacturer(s) only provided Linux drivers for 32bit. The one I'm using that does or did so is Brother. I haven't checked lately to see if it has changed its policy. The files and directories you list seem to be related to scanning, not printing. Whether you can safely remove them probably depends on your printing and/or scanning hardware. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: help needed to get a bookworm install to succeed
DdB composed on 2024-03-31 11:18 (UTC+0200): > Suggestions are welcome :-) https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ All my installations use this NET method. What I usually do though is extract linux and initrd.gz from it or directly from the mirrors and load them with Grub rather than booting the NET .iso. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Bullseye installation media nowhere to be found
It seems as though old-stable and older .isos have ceased to be available, even though all the older versions' .debs remain on mirrors. <http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/> and <http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/> and <http://www.debian.org/CD/mirroring/rsync-mirrors> have lead me nowhere but to 12.5. I feel like there must be obvious I'm missing, as I keep circling back to the same places that offer no .isos. Why? Kernel panics on 32-bit: <https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/debian-i-had-destroyed-grub-4175731144/> Communication with that OP is very difficult. I wish to test locally a proposed path forward, booting installed system via installation media, prior to proposing it. That requires I have the same installation media he seems to be tied to, or at least the same major version (11), correct? Otherwise, how can I be sure what I tell him to expect is in fact what could or should occur? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: partition reporting full, but not
Keith Bainbridge composed on 2024-02-21 11:57 (UTC+1100): > Felix Miata wrote: >> A current thread from elsewhere that should be helpful: >> <https://forums.opensuse.org/t/btrfs-disk-full-how-to-fix-it-is-that- >> really-the-solution/172576> >> btrfs filesystem usage / >> snapper list >> btrfs qgroup show / > Thanks for the prompt, Felix >>> sudo btrfs filesystem usage / > [sudo] password for root: > Overall: > Device size: 70.00GiB = remember I expanded this > partition > yesterday How? Did you resize the filesystem too? <https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/btrfs-filesystem.html#man-filesystem-resize> -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: partition reporting full, but not
to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2024-02-20 09:38 (UTC+0100): > On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 02:42:18AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> Keith Bainbridge composed on 2024-02-20 17:45 (UTC+1100): >>> I just removed 3 snapshots from my daily driver with no change in used >>> space reported by df >> df doesn't know how to calculate freespace on btrfs. You need to be typing >> btrfs filesystem df >> if you have not aliased df to btrfs filesystem df. > Still, Keith seems to have a real shortage of file system free space, > otherwise Debian upgrades wouldn't fail. > I don't know much about btrfs, but what would be really helpful (if > you do, and it seems so) would be for you to fill us in on how to > asses the space used up by old snapshots (what seems to be the main > suspect currently). A current thread from elsewhere that should be helpful: <https://forums.opensuse.org/t/btrfs-disk-full-how-to-fix-it-is-that-really-the-solution/172576> btrfs filesystem usage / snapper list btrfs qgroup show / Was requested by a btrfs expert. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: partition reporting full, but not
Greg Wooledge composed on 2024-02-20 14:56 (UTC-0500): > On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 02:47:26PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> Surely somewhere on debian.org such things must be addressed if Bookworm's >> default >> has also been changed to btrfs. > That has not happened. The default file system is still ext4. I didn't think so, which begs the question why OP Keith is using it. :p -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: partition reporting full, but not
to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2024-02-20 09:38 (UTC+0100): > On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 02:42:18AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> Keith Bainbridge composed on 2024-02-20 17:45 (UTC+1100): >> > I just removed 3 snapshots from my daily driver with no change in used >> > space reported by df >> df doesn't know how to calculate freespace on btrfs. You need to be typing >> btrfs filesystem df >> if you have not aliased df to btrfs filesystem df. > Still, Keith seems to have a real shortage of file system free space, > otherwise Debian upgrades wouldn't fail. > I don't know much about btrfs, but what would be really helpful (if > you do, and it seems so) would be for you to fill us in on how to > asses the space used up by old snapshots (what seems to be the main > suspect currently). My hands-on experience with btrfs is limited to one laptop my brother gave me with openSUSE installed that I only boot 2-3 times per year. My mentioning of the btrfs command in this thread is based upon years of frequenting openSUSE and Fedora mailing lists and forums. openSUSE made btrfs its default filesystem somewhere around 7-8 years ago. I think Fedora made btrfs default more recently. Google & DDG should be able to provide much better help than I on how to interpret btrfs command output. So should supp...@lists.opensuse.org and https://forums.opensuse.org/c/english/install-boot-login/18 and the comparable Fedora forums. My own Gnu/Linux installations, other than Knoppix, have always been on extX. I suggest Keith's 36G / partition size must be a marginal for btrfs use. IIRC, 40G may be the officially suggested minimum size for an openSUSE btrfs / filesystem where /home/ is on a separate (xfs) filesystem. Keith has /home/ within /. Surely somewhere on debian.org such things must be addressed if Bookworm's default has also been changed to btrfs. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: partition reporting full, but not
Keith Bainbridge composed on 2024-02-20 17:45 (UTC+1100): > I just removed 3 snapshots from my daily driver with no change in used > space reported by df df doesn't know how to calculate freespace on btrfs. You need to be typing btrfs filesystem df if you have not aliased df to btrfs filesystem df. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?
Andy Smith composed on 2024-02-20 01:29 (UTC): > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 08:16:49PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >>> I've never heard of this. I did a bit of searching around and all I >>> can find is assertions that cable colour doesn't matter for SATA. I >>> can't seem to find anything about red pigment damaging the copper. >>> Have you got a reference so I can learn more? >> Don't you ever read Gene Heskett posts? > Ah I see: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/06/msg00103.html > Stefan: Can you point to any evidence? > Gene: Just my own life [segue to story from 1970] > The usual story. Gene's been around quite a while, working electronics longer than most of us have lived, likely finished his schooling and went to work before Roosevelt died. > Yeah I skipped that thread the first time around owing to its > subject line containing "urban legends". >> consider searching this very list's archives. > Moments of my life I will never get back, and no more authoritative > sources unfortunately! My experience with that particular color cables matches Gene's. Cut one open, and out comes a powdery substance instead of clean copper strands. I think most for gen 1.0 SATA 2 decades ago, so there shouldn't be many still around bogging down 3.0 drives. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?
Andy Smith composed on 2024-02-20 00:48 (UTC): > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 04:12:44PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote: >> The notorious red SATA cables - I threw them out long ago. The red >> pigment eats up the fine copper threads, changing the impedance of the >> cable and eventually making false contact before failing completely. > I've never heard of this. I did a bit of searching around and all I > can find is assertions that cable colour doesn't matter for SATA. I > can't seem to find anything about red pigment damaging the copper. > Have you got a reference so I can learn more? Don't you ever read Gene Heskett posts? I expect he'll be chiming in on this one shortly While you wait, consider searching this very list's archives. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: partition reporting full, but not
Keith Bainbridge composed on 2024-02-18 14:49 (UTC+1100): > debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: >> So the apparently missing space is perhaps taken up by btrfs snapshots. > Seems to be the prime suspect. While snapshotting is obviously a consumer, until you use the right tool for the job, you won't know anything meaningful about overall space usage on btrfs. btrfs filesystem df btrfs filesystem du btrfs filesysten show would be some places to start. Didn't you do your https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/btrfs-filesystem.html reading yet? ?_? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: partition reporting full, but not
Keith Bainbridge composed on 2024-02-17 15:44 (UTC+1100): > Yes the / partitions are btrfs df was not designed for the task you gave it. You need to use btrfs filesystem commands: https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/btrfs-filesystem.html -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
latest old-stable amd64 kernel not available signed
# aptitude search linux-image | egrep -v 'dbg|cloud|rt|e-5.1' i A linux-image-6.0.0-0.deb11.2-amd64 - Linux 6.0 for 64-bit PCs (signed) i linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64 - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs (signed) i linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64 - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs (signed) p linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64-unsigned - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs p linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.17-amd64-unsigned - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.7-amd64 - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs (signed) p linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package) p linux-image-amd64-signed-template - Template for signed linux-image packages for amd64 v linux-image-generic - # linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.17-amd64-unsigned has a timestamp 5 days ago. Can anyone explain why linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.17-amd64 apparently does not exist? How about: why does installing linux-image-amd64 propose to install a 5.10 kernel instead of 6.1 even though backports is included in sources.list? I'm using sources as shown on https://gist.github.com/gustavorv86/d60a25ad5f70b0dfc382670d3dc6da8d except omitting the deb-src lines. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Home UPS recommendations
hw composed on 2024-02-10 11:01 (UTC+0100): > On Fri, 2024-02-09 at 22:28 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> Those from the above URL are the same spec batteries used in many APC models. > Maybe, maybe not. I couldn't get replacement batteries for the UPS > from HP not only because HP was so ridiculous as to tell me that I > could pay for a support ticket to get a price for the batteries, but > also because the replacement batteries I could get had smaller > contacts. Contact size is part of an SLA battery's specs. Small contacts are terminal type "F1". I've never encountered a UPS that uses them. All I've encountered use terminal type "F2", which is 1/4" or about 6.35mm wide spade. > At least you have some cooling. Basically nobody here has that, > though it's probably becoming more widespread because it gets warmer > all the time, and it's unbearable in the summer. Electricity is > insanely expensive here and keeps getting more expensive all the time. It's a big planet. Where is your "here"? > Hm, if the OEM batteries actually lasted 5 years and if what you say > is true, they must have been some awesome batteries. That UPS takes > two batteries which are tightly packed, and they can get very warm. OEM batteries must hold up through warranties, so are probably more locally sourced for high quality rather than low cost from China. Less expensive UPS models might be designed for a shorter expected lifetime, overcharging more as they get older and heat takes its toll. It's not something very many consumers are equipped to test. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Home UPS recommendations
hw composed on 2024-02-10 03:18 (UTC+0100):
> On Fri, 2024-02-09 at 18:51 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
>> hw composed on 2024-02-09 22:45 (UTC+0100):
>> [...]
>>> Hm, Powercom doesn't seem to exist here, but Eaton seems to have good
>>> prices. How's the battery availability with Eaton?
>> <https://batterysharks.com/csb-battery-hr1234w-battery-replacement-12v-9ah-version.html>
>> has the very common physical attributes used by all my Eaton, Tripp-Lite and
>> Powercom UPSes.
> Well, having batteries shipped over from the US would probably cost
> more than a new UPS.
They are made in China. Surely there are UK sellers. The URL was simply provided
as a representative of specifications of a very common SLA battery for UPS type.
> That rules out Liebert, Cyperpower and Triplite due to uncertain or no
> availability. That only leaves Eaton.
Those from the above URL are the same spec batteries used in many APC models.
> Does Eaton provide their own Linux software and/or do they accept
> monitoring results from other software like nut (assuming that apcupsd
> won't work for Eaton UPSs)?
Mine are all connected to a multitude of devices more to protect the hardware
from
a lousy power source. I don't try to use the software. When power fails, I shut
things down when the outage lasts more than a few seconds.
When you live on a power grid, extended outages are much less common than when
on
or near waterfront or political boundaries. Most of Florida's population has no
out-of-state neighbors to share utilities with, making its grid more fragile.
Being the lightning capital of the world doesn't help either.
>> Here in FL, replacement battery life averages under 30 months, no
>> matter the battery brand. OEM batteries have averaged more like 54.
> How is that? Do you have frequent power outages that stress the
> batteries so much?
The nature of the beasts is that their use generates heat. These batteries don't
like heat. The cooler they can be kept, the longer they can last. My thermostat
temp setting in heating season is 78F, in cooling season 82F, and cooling season
is much longer than heating season. In climates where heating season is most of
the year and tstat is kept below 65F, I'm guessing likely they could last a
decade
or more.
Battery orientation within the unit probably makes a difference, and even more,
separation, with worst orientation side-by-side with no air space between. It's
not easy to learn about such specs prior to purchase. UPS makers seem to want to
keep battery specs top secret, out of marketing materials, even from manuals.
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Re: Home UPS recommendations
Stefan Monnier composed on 2024-02-09 12:18 (UTC-0500): >>> What other manufacturers could we buy UPSs from? >> I have a Tripp-Lite sitting next to me here that replaced an APC and has >> 2-1/2 times the capabiliity. Been in service several weeks and so far I'm >> pretty happy with it... > Would they accept a warranty claim without having to run some > proprietary software (diagnostic and/or OS)? Do any of them require they be used only by computer owners? If you use one for Linux and have an issue you expect would be covered by warranty, you might consider withholding your application. Some people use them for home entertainment centers and other electronic equipment that doesn't require Windows or MacOS. Just make sure they don't hear you connected any fan, heater or other electric motor bigger than the tiny ones propelling computer cooling fans. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Home UPS recommendations
hw composed on 2024-02-09 22:45 (UTC+0100):
> On Fri, 2024-02-09 at 12:10 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
>> hw composed on 2024-02-09 12:07 (UTC+0100):
>> > What other manufacturers could we buy UPSs from?
>> I bought my first APC just last year, because it was what I found on the
>> shelf in
>> WalMart, only 450VA, with "Best-in-class Service and Support", more to
>> protect
>> bedroom TV and recorder against anomalies than power outage here in the
>> world's
>> lightning capital. All my larger ones that are currently in service are
>> Eaton or
>> Tripp-Lite. My spare is a Powercom with steel frame and cover, hard to
>> extract
>> swollen old batteries from.
> Hm, Powercom doesn't seem to exist here, but Eaton seems to have good
> prices. How's the battery availability with Eaton?
<https://batterysharks.com/csb-battery-hr1234w-battery-replacement-12v-9ah-version.html>
has the very common physical attributes used by all my Eaton, Tripp-Lite and
Powercom UPSes. The Powercom 2200VA uses 4, shipped with (I think) the 7.5AH
variety. The other 3 use pairs. My 1000VA Eaton shipped with 7.5AH. My 1500VA
Tripp-Lites came with 9AH. When I replace I only get the 9AHs so that the
orphans
that survive failure of a pair have the potential to better match the next
orphan
and delay another purchase a few months or more. Here in FL, replacement battery
life averages under 30 months, no matter the battery brand. OEM batteries have
averaged more like 54.
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Re: Home UPS recommendations
hw composed on 2024-02-09 12:07 (UTC+0100): > What other manufacturers could we buy UPSs from? I bought my first APC just last year, because it was what I found on the shelf in WalMart, only 450VA, with "Best-in-class Service and Support", more to protect bedroom TV and recorder against anomalies than power outage here in the world's lightning capital. All my larger ones that are currently in service are Eaton or Tripp-Lite. My spare is a Powercom with steel frame and cover, hard to extract swollen old batteries from. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: install Kernel and GRUB in chroot.
Tim Woodall composed on 2024-02-03 21:25 (UTC): > Max Nikulin wrote: >> It seems secure boot is disabled in your case, so I am wondering why you do >> not boot xen.efi directly. > Because the NVRAM is extremely tempremental. Not in my experience. I recognized long ago that WRT non-removable media, only one bootloader per machine is required, and pretty well stuck to having only one active, or at all, no matter how many FOSS operating systems or media I have installed. The Grubs I have used are not picky about whose kernel or initrd they are called to load. With only one bootloader installed, retouching NVRAM isn't often required, and there needn't be much in it to scramble. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Data and hardware protection measures
Michael Kjörling composed on 2024-01-28 19:23 (UTC): > On 28 Jan 2024 19:19 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw): >> On Fri, 2024-01-26 at 15:56 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: >>> It's also worth talking to your local electrician about installing an >>> incoming-mains overvoltage protection for lightning protection. >> Hm I thought it's expensive. > So did I until I actually asked someone who could give me a quote for > actually installing it. Old construction used meter "boxes" that don't support accessories like those. My utility won't touch mine unless I pay an electrician for an expensive full service upgrade. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Home UPS recommendations
Andy Smith composed on 2024-01-26 10:17 (UTC-0500): > On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 04:11:39PM +0100, hw wrote: >> I've never had issues with any UPS due to self tests. The batteries >> need to be replaced when they are worn out. How often that is >> required depends on the UPS and the conditions it is working in, >> usually every 3--5 years. > Out of interest what brand of UPS do you recommend for home use that > has easily-replaceable batteries every 3–5 years? For a load of > about 300W. Ambient temps have a huge effect on UPS battery life. Temps here are purposely above average, between 76F (winter) and 82F (summer), saving much electricity in cooling season, which here in Florida is long, among other reasons. Before I moved, I had 7 UPSes online at all times due to unconscionable frequency and length of power outages from the monopoly power provider. Since moving I'm down to 4. It was uncommon for replacement batteries to last more than 30 months, and common that they lasted less than 24 to as little as 18 or 20. OEM batteries usually managed up to 60. Those with plastic instead of metal cases have the advantage that swollen old batteries can usually be extracted successfully, while metal could necessitate such heroics as drill and saw to extricate. My favorite brands are Tripp-Lite and Eaton. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives
Nicolas George composed on 2024-01-24 20:50 (UTC+0100): > Felix Miata composed: >> Technically, quite true. However, OS and user data are very different. User >> data >> recreation and/or restoration can be as painful as impossible, justifying >> RAID. OS >> can be reinstalled rather easily in a nominal amount of time. A 120G SSD can >> hold >> multiple OS installations quite easily. A spare 120G SSD costs less than a >> petrol >> fillup. I stopped putting OS on RAID when I got my first SSD. My current >> primary >> PC has 5 18G OS installations, all bootable much more quickly than finding a >> suitable USB stick to rescue boot from. > Looks you are confusing RAID with backups. Yes, OS can be reinstalled, > but that still makes “a nominal amount of time” during which your > computer is not available. > Your “spare” SSD would be more usefully used in a RAID array than > corroding on your shelves. 1: My spare SSD is part of my KISS configuration and backup protocols. Several minutes or even hours of downtime don't bother me. Its (actually, their) existence enables (a) second PC virtual twin where upgrades and experiments are better evaluated. I still have doubts about how much to trust SSD technology. Their failure rate in less than 3 years since purchase here has been seriously disappointing. 4 RMAs across 3 brands with a relative pittance of uptime each. 2: I only use MD RAID1 with a single rotating rust pair, currently 1T each. A disposable 120M SSD wouldn't fit. I like the concept of spares. :) -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives
Nicolas George composed on 2024-01-24 15:39 (UTC+0100): > Charles Curley (12024-01-24): >> Although I found it simpler (and faster) to have all my system stuff on >> an SSD, and the RAID on four HDDs. Grub goes on the SSD and that's that. > If the SSD dies, your system does not boot. Somewhat wasting the benefit > of RAID. Technically, quite true. However, OS and user data are very different. User data recreation and/or restoration can be as painful as impossible, justifying RAID. OS can be reinstalled rather easily in a nominal amount of time. A 120G SSD can hold multiple OS installations quite easily. A spare 120G SSD costs less than a petrol fillup. I stopped putting OS on RAID when I got my first SSD. My current primary PC has 5 18G OS installations, all bootable much more quickly than finding a suitable USB stick to rescue boot from. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-19 19:09 (UTC-0500): > On 1/19/24 15:56, David Christensen wrote: > No sign of that snipped stuff. > >> https://www.cablematters.com/pc-187-156-3-pack-straight-60-gbps-sata-iii-cable.aspx > Cheap enough at 18", ordered 4 packs of 3 for service & build stock, > thanks David. Among the elements of that page, opened in web browser lacking JS support, was absence of a price, and also were the following "features": Serial ATA/150 and Fast data transfer rate of up to 150 Mbps Those describe SATA revision 1.0 (1.5 Gbit/s), not SATA revision 2.0 (300MB/s, 3.0 Gbit/s), not SATA revision 3.0 (600MB/s, 6.0 Gbit/s). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA With JS enabled, the page radically changed to show $8.49 for a 3-pack of 6.0 Gbit/s cables. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-16 20:08 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> I straightened out the wrapping mess, and gave each entry a line number. I >> see >> nothing I recognize as representing serial number duplication among /dev/sdX >> (physical device) names: >> /dev/sda 9 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_QVO_1TB_S5RRNF0T201730V >> /dev/sdd19 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302507V >> /dev/sde28 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302502E >> /dev/sdf36 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302498T >> /dev/sdg43 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302509W >> /dev/sdh51 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GSTD02TB230102 >> /dev/sdi53 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146 >> /dev/sdk55 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GSTG02TB230206 >> Exactly which line numbers represent duplication among the physical drives? > lsblk, which I've published several times, shows 5 drives. by-id listing > only shows 3. The drive I've been trying to use bounces from /dev/sdd to > sde to sdh dependin on which controller it is curently plugged into. >From your 2024-01-15 17:56 -0500 post, I see 8 unique serial numbers from SATA SSDs, 5 Samsung, 3 Gigastone. I ignore all your posts with lsblk that didn't use the -f option to facilitate identifying individual SSDs. > And I've since tried cp in addition to rsync, does the same thing, > killing the sysytem with the OOM but much quicker. cp using all system > memory (32Gb) in 1 minute, another 500K into swap adds another 15 secs, > and the OOM kills the system. So both cp and rsync act broken. > rsync, with a --bwlimit=3m set, takes much longer to kill the system but > the amount of data moved is very similar, 13.5G from clean disk to > system freeze for rsync, 13.4G for cp.-- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: mdraid construction and testing (was: smartctl cannot access my stor...)
David Christensen composed on 2024-01-16 13:01 (UTC-0800): > STFW and RTFM I have seen recommendations for and against using whole > disks for RAID and for and against using partitions for RAID. And, as > this in the Internet, there are countless rumors and speculation. As I > switched from mdadm(8) to zfs(8) years ago, perhaps another reader can > explain what mdadm(8) does when given whole disks and when given disk > partitions. I've been running RAID1 on pairs of multi-partition disks for well over a decade, first with 320G, then 500G, currently 1T. Since the move to 1T, I've replaced both disks. Both were originally 512/512 v2.0 Hitachis. Now, one is a ST1000NM0011 512l/512p Seagate Constellation, the other a ST1000DM003-1CH1 512l/4096p Seagate Barracuda. They've been divided into partitions to comprise 5-6 md devices, currently 6, with small other partitions not parts of any RAID, such as no longer used /boot/s. Since moving the OS onto an SSD, I have one md device not in use, previously used for swap: # hdparm -t /dev/md0 /dev/md0: Timing buffered disk reads: 554 MB in 3.02 seconds = 183.59 MB/sec # What can I use to test what its write speed is? I'm not seeing any option to do so in hdparm. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
David Wright composed on 2024-01-16 08:05 (UTC-0600):
> On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 00:55:52 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote:
>> gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UTC-0500):
>>> Thanks for that composition: but it will be word wrapped:
>>> root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n'
>>> "$(realpath "$j")" "$j" ; done
>>> /dev/sr0/dev/disk/by-id/ata-ATAPI_iHAS424_B_3524253_327133504865
>>> /dev/sdi/dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146
>>> /dev/sdj1 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146-part1
> It's right here at the top.
I missed that, probably because i & j look similar in the big sea of
alphanumerics, /and/ sdi has no partitions, while sdj1 has no parent disk. That
seems to smell as much like a bug somewhere as two different disks with the same
serial number, a cheap SATA port card maybe. Does ...1146 get duplication like
that when connected to any/every available SATA port?
--
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based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
Tom Furie composed on 2024-01-16 08:18 (UTC): > Felix Miata writes: >> /dev/sdc 18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # >> How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? > By having some kind of SD card slot or similar. So this pollution only results from a USB-connected printer? IP printer connections don't cause it too? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
Felix Miata composed on 2024-01-16 01:05 (UTC-0500): > gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 18:37 (UTC-0500): >> Ah,but I finally glombed onto the bug tan memory bar in htop as it was >> runniing, someplace in the data chain is a huge memory leak, my crash is >> caused by the OOM daemon killing things. And it only occurs when I run >> rsync. Only takes it 10 minute to eat 32G of memory, then 500k into >> swap, and the OOM daemon start killing the system until there's nothing >> left to run. > What does free report before starting rsync? Do you have all your swap on a > partition? Do you have any swapspace? > I would log out of XFCE, login on a vtty to open top, then login on another > to try > to run rsync. If that fails OOM too, since the target is ostensibly starting > from > scratch, use MC, and divide the job into the source's directories if > necessary. MC > gets rather bogged down if you try to do a bazillion individual files in a > single > copy operation. Trying to think outside the box, something else to think about, from the man page: [quote] --archive, -a This is equivalent to -rlptgoD. It is a quick way of saying you want recursion and want to preserve almost everything. Be aware that it does not include preserving ACLs (-A), xattrs (-X), atimes (-U), crtimes (-N), nor the finding and preserving of hardlinks (-H). [/quote] If rsync really is bugged, maybe a change of options would avoid the bug. Try instead of -av, -rlptgoDAXUNH. Could it be that verbosity is the OOM crippler, and not necessarily from rsync itself, but possibly from the xterm in which rsync is running? Does your source contain any hard links? Do you use ACLs or xattrs? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 18:37 (UTC-0500): > Ah,but I finally glombed onto the bug tan memory bar in htop as it was > runniing, someplace in the data chain is a huge memory leak, my crash is > caused by the OOM daemon killing things. And it only occurs when I run > rsync. Only takes it 10 minute to eat 32G of memory, then 500k into > swap, and the OOM daemon start killing the system until there's nothing > left to run. What does free report before starting rsync? Do you have all your swap on a partition? Do you have any swapspace? I would log out of XFCE, login on a vtty to open top, then login on another to try to run rsync. If that fails OOM too, since the target is ostensibly starting from scratch, use MC, and divide the job into the source's directories if necessary. MC gets rather bogged down if you try to do a bazillion individual files in a single copy operation. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
c0e32c8a:e3f7ebb3:318edbfb /dev/md0p1 3 /dev/disk/by-id/md-name-coyote:0-part1 /dev/md0p1 4 /dev/disk/by-id/md-uuid-3d5a3621:c0e32c8a:e3f7ebb3:318edbfb-part1 /dev/md1 5 /dev/disk/by-id/md-name-_none_:1 /dev/md1 6 /dev/disk/by-id/md-uuid-57a88605:27f5a773:5be347c1:7c5e7342 /dev/md2 7 /dev/disk/by-id/md-name-coyote:2 /dev/md2 8 /dev/disk/by-id/md-uuid-bb6e03ce:19d290c8:5171004f:0127a392 /dev/sda 9 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_QVO_1TB_S5RRNF0T201730V /dev/sda10 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f42205e8e /dev/sda1 11 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_QVO_1TB_S5RRNF0T201730V-part1 /dev/sda1 12 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f42205e8e-part1 /dev/sda2 13 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_QVO_1TB_S5RRNF0T201730V-part2 /dev/sda2 14 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f42205e8e-part2 /dev/sda3 15 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_QVO_1TB_S5RRNF0T201730V-part3 /dev/sda3 16 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f42205e8e-part3 /dev/sdb17 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-USB_Mass_Storage_Device_816820130806-0:0 /dev/sdc18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? /dev/sdd19 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302507V /dev/sdd20 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394ae /dev/sdd1 21 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302507V-part1 /dev/sdd1 22 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394ae-part1 /dev/sdd2 23 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302507V-part2 /dev/sdd2 24 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394ae-part2 /dev/sdd3 25 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302507V-part3 /dev/sdd3 26 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394ae-part3 /dev/sde27 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394a9 /dev/sde28 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302502E /dev/sde1 29 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302502E-part1 /dev/sde1 30 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394a9-part1 /dev/sde2 31 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302502E-part2 /dev/sde2 32 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394a9-part2 /dev/sde3 33 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302502E-part3 /dev/sde3 34 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394a9-part3 /dev/sdf35 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394a5 /dev/sdf36 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302498T /dev/sdf1 37 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302498T-part1 /dev/sdf1 38 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394a5-part1 /dev/sdf2 39 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302498T-part2 /dev/sdf2 40 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394a5-part2 /dev/sdf3 41 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302498T-part3 /dev/sdf3 42 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394a5-part3 /dev/sdg43 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302509W /dev/sdg44 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394b0 /dev/sdg1 45 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302509W-part1 /dev/sdg1 46 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394b0-part1 /dev/sdg2 47 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302509W-part2 /dev/sdg2 48 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394b0-part2 /dev/sdg3 49 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S626NF0R302509W-part3 /dev/sdg3 50 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538f413394b0-part3 /dev/sdh51 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GSTD02TB230102 /dev/sdh1 52 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GSTD02TB230102-part1 /dev/sdi53 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146 /dev/sdj1 54 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GST02TBG221146-part1 /dev/sdk55 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GSTG02TB230206 /dev/sdk1 56 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Gigastone_SSD_GSTG02TB230206-part1 /dev/sr057 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ATAPI_iHAS424_B_3524253_327133504865 Exactly which line numbers represent duplication among the physical drives? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 08:39 (UTC-0500): >└─md2 9:20 3G 0 raid10 > sdh 8:112 0 1.9T 0 disk > └─sdh18:113 0 1.9T 0 part <<< > sdi 8:128 0 1.9T 0 disk > └─sdi18:129 0 1.9T 0 part <<< > sdj 8:144 0 1.9T 0 disk > └─sdj18:145 0 1.9T 0 part <<< > sdk 8:160 0 1.9T 0 disk > └─sdk18:161 0 1.9T 0 part <<< > sdl 8:176 0 1.9T 0 disk > └─sdl18:177 0 1.9T 0 part <<< > sr0 11:01 1024M 0 rom Is there a smart card reader in coyote? They can cause what looks like phantom drives. If not, I have no idea what those 5 <<< devices might be assigned to, other than their sizes. :( I suspect it could be some kind of bug, possibly in SATA expansion card firmware. There was a buggy Bookworm kernel recently causing I/O problems. What kernel are you running? 6.1.0-17 is current. Bug was sometime after 6.1.0-13. I have a card reader that produces sd[cdef]: # lsscsi [2:0:0:0]diskATA ST1000NM0011 SN02 /dev/sda [3:0:0:0]diskATA ST1000DM003-1CH1 CC49 /dev/sdb [4:0:0:0]cd/dvd ASUS DRW-24B1ST j 1.11 /dev/sr0 [6:0:0:0]diskGeneric USB SD Reader1.00 /dev/sdc [6:0:0:1]diskGeneric USB CF Reader1.01 /dev/sdd [6:0:0:2]diskGeneric USB SM Reader1.02 /dev/sde [6:0:0:3]diskGeneric USB MS Reader1.03 /dev/sdf # So, when I insert a generic USB stick, it gets /dev/sdg. :p -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 20:03 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> I'm only suggesting you find a place other than /mnt/ for anything found in >> /etc/fstab, based upon the definition of /mnt/ in FHS. Conforming your >> machinery >> to FHS is not mandatory, just recommended, a good idea. > so I should use /media? That's also not a good place to match with fstab entries, also for temporary, transient use: [quote] /media Mount points for removable media such as CD-ROMs (appeared in FHS-2.3 in 2004). [/quote] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard Something you do /not/ find on that page may best serve matching up with fstab. Think something up, /Z370/, /coypup/, /bakmnt/, /disk/, /rsync-mnt/ or /rsync/. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 18:39 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> AFAIK, nothing I wrote would be expected to have any relationship to transfer >> rates. My point was entirely about suitability of /mnt/ for fstab entries. > And my point is that for a one time copy, its was handy. I didn't have > to mkdir a mount point for it. /mnt/ is intended for one-time copies, just the ticket for that particular exercise. But, fstab entries for one-time mounting is not normal, and neither are subdirectories in /mnt/ unless a filesystem is temporarily mounted there. It's allowed, but not particularly a product of wisdom, particularly if you forget to undo it before rebooting without the configured filesystem available, or an unexpected reboot occurs first. Remember your short-term memory quality? > This whole thing has just one objective, making a copy of the raid10 > /home onto a single drive that I could us to edit the raid out of fstab, > substituting the single drive copy. This raid has 2 of its 4 drives > complaining to smartctl. Get my data off it, by whatever means works.-- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 18:15 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: ... > I have mount > points scattered about this system, literaaly all over that just work, Fine! It's your stuff. > since when is /mnt some special thing? Since 1994, 30 years ago next month: ... http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/fsstnd/old/fsstnd-1.1/fsstnd-1.1.txt >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard > Or are you saying I should mkdir that mount point in the rad10, and then > mount one of these SSD's to it? Sounds like the long way around the > bush but it might work, I'll try it. But that would be forever recursive > w/o excluding that dir from the copy. ... I'm only suggesting you find a place other than /mnt/ for anything found in /etc/fstab, based upon the definition of /mnt/ in FHS. Conforming your machinery to FHS is not mandatory, just recommended, a good idea. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Thunderbird filters
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 17:11 (UTC-0500): > David Wright wrote: >>Let’s go over the steps you need to follow to create Thunderbird rules >> that move messages from a specific sender to a folder: > Most of the "filters" I use (and there are well over a 100 of them) are > based on the src of the mailing list they go into, and were first made > by using a list mail as the filter key, move to such and such local > directory. as to where those filters are stored, I have not found them. Most likely the location is the same as in SeaMonkey, where there is one filter file per account, which is by default, thus: /home/username/.mozilla/profilename/Mail/smtp-name/msgFilterRules.dat I believe in TB the default may be: /home/username/.thunderbird/profilename/Mail/smtp-name/msgFilterRules.dat Mozilla profiles located in other locations are supported. They need not be anywhere in /home/ if properly configured and permissioned. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help
tomas composed on 2024-01-14 19:15 (UTC+0100): > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 12:33:39PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 12:04 (UTC-0500): >> > # first put it where it is now & reboot >> > #LABEL=homesde1 /mnt/homesde1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 2 >> ... >> > I have not been able to use that last line as a target for rsync >> That's not unexpected. /mnt/ is intended for /temporary/ or /transient/ >> mounting, >> while /etc/fstab is OTOH intended for routine. > How should the mount point have an influence on transfer rates? AFAIK, nothing I wrote would be expected to have any relationship to transfer rates. My point was entirely about suitability of /mnt/ for fstab entries. >> The explosion could have occurred >> by inserting a USB stick while rsync was running and you were engaging in >> root >> activities. As regular user, most DEs now use /run/media/ instead of >> /tmp/. >> Best anyway to find someplace besides your /mnt/ tree for that filesystem, >> maybe >> /home/coyotebak/ or /backupdisk/. > You think an automounter mounted some stuff beneath /mnt/? > I think they don't do that for the last twenty years, at least > (before /run/media/ it has been /media/ for quite > a while already... I don't have a working knowledge of all the deviations from FHS or other standards that Gene employs, and neither am I familiar with behaviors of DEs I do not use. When one has /mnt/ in fstab, where would one put a transient manual mount? Another would need to be created, lest done to /mnt/ on coyote, /mnt/homesde1/'s filesystem would disappear, no trivial danger in the context of deteriorated short term memory. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: smartctl cannot access mystorage, need syntax help
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 12:04 (UTC-0500): > # first put it where it is now & reboot > #LABEL=homesde1 /mnt/homesde1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 2 ... > I have not been able to use that last line as a target for rsync That's not unexpected. /mnt/ is intended for /temporary/ or /transient/ mounting, while /etc/fstab is OTOH intended for routine. The explosion could have occurred by inserting a USB stick while rsync was running and you were engaging in root activities. As regular user, most DEs now use /run/media/ instead of /tmp/. Best anyway to find someplace besides your /mnt/ tree for that filesystem, maybe /home/coyotebak/ or /backupdisk/. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: SOLVED FOR GENE
Michael Stone composed on 2024-01-11 08:26 (UTC-0500): > On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 06:37:08AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >>Doing so is called a defensive response, something to be expected in response >>to >>(needless) offensive behavior. Browsers have default fonts selectable by >>users for >>good reason. Websites shouldn't be assuming user settings are wrong. > That's a fight that was lost a long time ago. That the offense became virtually universal doesn't make it OK. Truth doesn't stop being truth because of being universally ignored. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: SOLVED FOR GENE
Nate Bargmann composed on 2024-01-07 05:04 (UTC-0600): > the text size of a Web page can be increased with Ctrl-+ (works on > Firefox and Chromium, likely others). Doing so is called a defensive response, something to be expected in response to (needless) offensive behavior. Browsers have default fonts selectable by users for good reason. Websites shouldn't be assuming user settings are wrong. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Edit NIC Address
David composed on 2024-01-04 04:30 (UTC): > With the latest Debian I'm trying to find the file to edit to change > the IP address of a remote box, can anybody point me in the correct > direction please? > I can SSH into this box, but cannot find the file to edit. Traditionally it would be in /etc/network/interfaces used by ifupdown. Mine is in /etc/systemd/network/eth0.network because I'm using systemd-networkd. Where NetworkMangler users keep theirs I have no information. If you can search files in the /etc/ tree for string 192.168. or 10.0. or 172.16. likely you'll find it. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Support for SysV service scripts deprecated in systemd 255 (was: systemd and timezone)
David Wright composed on 2023-12-23 00:00 (UTC-0600): > On Fri 22 Dec 2023 at 18:52:09 (-0500), Pocket wrote: >> From the email I got from Lennart >> CHANGES WITH 255: >> Announcements of Future Feature Removals and Incompatible Changes: >> * Support for split-usr (/usr/ mounted separately during late boot, >> instead of being mounted by the initrd before switching to >> the rootfs) >> and unmerged-usr (parallel directories /bin/ and /usr/bin/, >> /lib/ and >> /usr/lib/, …) has been removed. For more details, see: >> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2022-September/048352.html >> * Support for System V service scripts is now deprecated and >> will be >> removed in a future release. Please make sure to update your >> software >> *now* to include a native systemd unit file instead of a legacy >> System V script to retain compatibility with future systemd >> releases. >> So that bug is m[oot] ... > BTW, I think Debian is somewhat behind Lennart, as even bookworm > is AFAIK only up to 252. As for SysV, my bullseye has 39 scripts > in /etc/init.d/, and there are still plenty with bookworm. I have 22 in Trixie. Aren't what are left there nothing but compat placements? I renamed /etc/init.d/, then rebooted. All seems pretty close to normal: # inxi -S System: Host: gx78b Kernel: 6.5.0-5-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Trinity Distro: Debian GNU/Linux trixie/sid # dmesg | grep aile # journalctl -b --no-hostname | grep aile Dec 23 01:43:04 (udev-worker)[291]: sunrpc: Process '/sbin/sysctl -q --pattern ^sunrpc --system' failed with exit code 1. Dec 23 01:43:04 (udev-worker)[286]: lockd: Process '/sbin/sysctl -q --pattern ^fs.nfs.n[sl]m --system' failed with exit code 1. Dec 23 01:43:04 (udev-worker)[286]: sunrpc: Process '/sbin/sysctl -q --pattern ^sunrpc --system' failed with exit code 1. Dec 23 01:43:04 (udev-worker)[285]: lockd: Process '/sbin/sysctl -q --pattern ^fs.nfs.n[sl]m --system' failed with exit code 1. Dec 23 01:43:06 blkmapd[525]: open pipe file /run/rpc_pipefs/nfs/blocklayout failed: No such file or directory Dec 23 01:43:06 rpc.mountd[538]: Failed to create listener xprt (mountd, 1, udp6) Dec 23 01:43:06 rpc.mountd[538]: Failed to create listener xprt (mountd, 1, tcp6) Dec 23 01:43:06 rpc.mountd[538]: Failed to create listener xprt (mountd, 2, udp6) Dec 23 01:43:06 rpc.mountd[538]: Failed to create listener xprt (mountd, 2, tcp6) Dec 23 01:43:06 rpc.mountd[538]: Failed to create listener xprt (mountd, 3, udp6) Dec 23 01:43:06 rpc.mountd[538]: Failed to create listener xprt (mountd, 3, tcp6) Dec 23 01:43:06 rpc.statd[565]: Failed to create listener xprt (statd, 1, udp6) Dec 23 01:43:06 rpc.statd[565]: Failed to create listener xprt (statd, 1, tcp6) Dec 23 01:43:16 systemd[787]: Dependency failed for filter-chain.service - PipeWire filter chain daemon. Dec 23 01:43:16 systemd[787]: filter-chain.service: Job filter-chain.service/start failed with result 'dependency'. Dec 23 01:43:16 systemd[787]: Dependency failed for wireplumber.service - Multimedia Service Session Manager. Dec 23 01:43:16 systemd[787]: wireplumber.service: Job wireplumber.service/start failed with result 'dependency'. # -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...
Mark Fletcher composed on 2023-12-22 06:43 (UTC): > I have just discovered that I > had a typo in my custom.cfg file, and when I fixed it, it worked. :-D > Thanks all for your help with this. :-D -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Reg. Linux User #211409 multibooting for >3 decades Felix Miata
Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? (but on original thread topic, not so much)
ing: version 'cur' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit dpkg: warning: version 'prv2' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit dpkg: warning: version 'prv' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit dpkg: warning: version 'cur' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit dpkg: warning: version 'prv2' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit dpkg: warning: version 'prv' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit dpkg: warning: version 'cur' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-prv2 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-prv Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-cur Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-26-amd64 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-23-amd64 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-20-amd64 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-18-amd64 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-14-amd64 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-13-amd64 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-11-amd64 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-9-amd64 Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done Setting up linux-image-amd64 (5.10.197-1) ... # ln -s vmlinuz-5.10.0-26-amd64 vmlinuz-cur && ln -s initrd.img-5.10.0-26-amd64 initrd-cur # ls -Gg vml* lrwxrwxrwx 1 23 Jun 14 2023 vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-23-amd64 -rw-r--r-- 1 6837952 Feb 28 2022 vmlinuz-5.10.0-11-amd64 -rw-r--r-- 1 6840768 Mar 17 2022 vmlinuz-5.10.0-13-amd64 -rw-r--r-- 1 6843648 Apr 29 2022 vmlinuz-5.10.0-14-amd64 -rw-r--r-- 1 6962016 Sep 2 2022 vmlinuz-5.10.0-18-amd64 -rw-r--r-- 1 7008928 Dec 13 2022 vmlinuz-5.10.0-20-amd64 -rw-r--r-- 1 7036256 May 12 2023 vmlinuz-5.10.0-23-amd64 -rw-r--r-- 1 7044672 Sep 29 00:25 vmlinuz-5.10.0-26-amd64 lrwxrwxrwx 1 22 Oct 31 2021 vmlinuz51009 -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-9-amd64 -rw-r--r-- 1 6833568 Sep 30 2021 vmlinuz-5.10.0-9-amd64 lrwxrwxrwx 1 23 Feb 5 2022 vmlinuz51011 -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-11-amd64 lrwxrwxrwx 1 23 Apr 16 2022 vmlinuz51013 -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-13-amd64 lrwxrwxrwx 1 23 Jun 5 2022 vmlinuz51014 -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-14-amd64 lrwxrwxrwx 1 23 Sep 21 2022 vmlinuz51018 -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-18-amd64 lrwxrwxrwx 1 23 Dec 21 22:09 vmlinuz-cur -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-26-amd64 lrwxrwxrwx 1 23 Jun 14 2023 vmlinuz-prv -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-23-amd64 lrwxrwxrwx 1 23 Dec 30 2022 vmlinuz-prv2 -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-20-amd64 # Newer PCs with grub-efi exhibit similar behavior, but all here that actually have grub-efi installed already have current kernel. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...
Mark Fletcher composed on 2023-12-21 21:30 (UTC): > Felix Miata wrote: >> I suspect few if any regulars here spend much time with Slackware. > I am genuinely confused about how Slackware came into the picture > here... my foreign OS is LFS, nothing to do with slackware as far as I > know... Pure unadulterated word dyslexia here. My brain routinely fails to register any difference between LFS and Slackware, both of which in my mind rely more heavily on the brains of its admins than those of Debian's or its derivatives'. LFS I've never attempted to use. Slackware I have. Sorry for causing confusion here. > I appreciate your initial help which I still think is my best hope of > a solution Boot setup are rather simple here. I don't "edit" content of any files in /etc/grub.d/ in the usual sense of the word. What I do is copy 40_custom to 06_custom, and copy 41_custom to 07_custom on my Tumbleweed installation. Then I remove the content from 40_custom and 41_custom to make them inert rather than having the package system recreate them and bloat grub.cfg as a result. I manually maintain one file: /boot/grub2/custom.cfg on my Tumbleweed / filesystem. That would correspond to a Debian LVM user, such as you, maintaining /grub/custom.cfg on his /boot filesystem. Admins are 100% responsible for the content of (*/gru*/)custom.cfg. Because of my particular handling of /etc/grub.d/, the stanzas in custom.cfg head the selection list presented by Grub on boot. Those generated by Grub's scripts are rarely utilized here. Any selected stanza from custom.cfg that fails to boot something can only be due to my own fault. Tumbleweed is the only distro installed here where the ESP is routinely mounted to /boot/efi/. Only one bootloader is needed per typical Gnu/Linux-only multiboot PC. >From one PC here currently booted: # grep vmlinuz /boot/grub2/custom.cfg | wc -l 21 # grep root= /boot/grub2/custom.cfg | wc -l 21 # grep root=LABEL /boot/grub2/custom.cfg | wc -l 21 # There need be no difference from my configuration an any Debian user's, other than the name of the directory containing custom.cfg. For those who don't know the why of /boot/grub2/ instead of /boot/grub/ (on openSUSE at least), grub2 is used instead of grub in /boot/ as a historical continuation of the multiple releases period when both Grub Legacy and Grub2 could be simultaneously installed on the same installation without need for any filename customization in Grub as installed. IIRC, one could be setup on MBR, the other on a partition, possibly more for developer convenience than any expectation users would want both at once. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: wireless broadband providers exist
Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 19:55 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): >>> Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high >>> speed internet in the area I reside in. That's how it was where I live now when I moved here, where all utilities except satellite dishes and TV antennas are underground. It still applies for wired broadband, but now there's wireless to compete with it. >>> No other providers are allowed. >> That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. >> Some of >> us mericans who formerly had no access to real broadband except via >> prohibitively >> expensive, high latency satellite dish now have broadband provided >> wirelessly. All >> the big cablecos have been slowly rolling it out. The areas covered are >> limited, >> with limited overlap among providers. The targets so far have been mostly >> areas >> unserved by traditional cable, but there is overlap. Maybe you should check >> with >> T-Mobile: >> https://www.allconnect.com/local/oh/columbus > I already have and the can not provide service > This is the only provider available as per their site Google some more. That is not the only site that purports to show available providers by area. If you have a mobile phone, ask that company when it intends to provide broadband where you live, if it doesn't advertise it already. > Spectrum > <https://www.allconnect.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Spectrum_RA.png>Spectrum > > Internet ... > Should I go with spectrum? Here in Florida, @*.rr.com email addresses, as yours appears to be, belong to Spectrum subscribers. Who is your ISP now? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: wireless broadband providers exist (was: lists)
Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): > Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high > speed internet in the area I reside in. > > No other providers are allowed. That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of us mericans who formerly had no access to real broadband except via prohibitively expensive, high latency satellite dish now have broadband provided wirelessly. All the big cablecos have been slowly rolling it out. The areas covered are limited, with limited overlap among providers. The targets so far have been mostly areas unserved by traditional cable, but there is overlap. Maybe you should check with T-Mobile: https://www.allconnect.com/local/oh/columbus -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...
David Wright composed on 2023-12-20 00:00 (UTC-0600):
> In case it's not clear, "generically symlinked" means that
> /vmlinuz is a symlink pointing to the most recent linux-image.
> (Similarly for initrd.) I added the following to
> /etc/grub.d/07_custom:
> menuentry 'My bullseye' $menuentry_id_option 'custom' {
> load_video
> set gfxpayload=keep
> insmod gzio
> insmod part_gpt
> insmod ext2
> search --no-floppy --set=root --label noah03
> echo'Load /vmlinuz …'
> linux /vmlinuz root=LABEL=noah03 ro systemd.show_status=true quiet
> echo'Load initial ramdisk /initrd.img …'
> initrd /initrd.img
> }
A bit less is needed here in custom.cfg:
menuentry "Debian 13 Trixie defkernel 3 on P10" {
load_video
set gfxpayload=keep
search --no-floppy --set=root --hint-baremetal=ahci0,gpt10 --label
zd8p10deb13
linux /vmlinuz root=LABEL=zd8p10deb13 noresume consoleblank=0
preempt=full mitigations=off
initrd /initrd.img
}
menuentry "Slackware 15.0 GUI on P25"{
load_video
set gfxpayload=keep
search --no-floppy --set=root --hint-efi=hd0,gpt25 --label zd8p25slack
linux /boot/vmlinuz rw root=LABEL=zd8p25slack noresume consoleblank=0
mitigations=off
initrd /boot/initrd.gz
}
# lsblk -f | egrep 'fat|slack|deb13'
├─sda1 vfat FAT32 ZD8P01ESP20A0-2A08
├─sda10 ext4 1.0 zd8p10deb13 e37c3e3c...
├─sda25 ext4 1.0 zd8p25slack 6664eb9b...
# grep RETT /etc/os-release
PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Tumbleweed"
# rpmqa grub2-2.1
grub2-2.12~rc1-12.1.x86_64
#
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...
Mark Fletcher composed on 2023-12-20 00:28 (UTC): > I am curious to know from Debian > GRUBbers (as it were) if the behaviour I am describing in this thread > is expected... I suspect few if any regulars here spend much time with Slackware. I think a more conventional approach would be to reconfigure Slackware to boot by UUID, with the result that Debian's os-prober should pick it up in the more reliable fashion. I don't have a bootloader installed on my only Slackware, and have no more familiarity with ELILO than that it seems to be the Slack user favorite bootloader. Whether or how well it or its Grub might pick up Debian, or any proclivity it may have to usurp boot control from Debian or include stanza(s) for Debian, I have no basis for guessing. If you can keep your Slack kernel (& initrd if using one) generically symlinked without much trouble, a stanza you put in /etc/grub.d/41_custom should be able to boot Slack from Debian's Grub using your custom stanza containing root=LABEL= or root=UUID= without trouble. Same would go for using 07_custom, or custom.cfg with 06_custom, to move your custom stanza to the Debian Grub menu's top. Multiboot is as much art as science. Like anything in Gnu/Linux, there are multiple ways to decouple felines from their skins. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Mouse single click handling?
Fred composed on 2023-12-19 18:04 (UTC-0700): > Felix Miata wrote: >> invaluable Logitech Trackman >> Marble FX PS/2 trackball. Nothing like it has been manufactured since it was discontinued nearly 3 decades ago. > digikey.com and mouser.com both have microswitches and good service. It > will be a lot easier to throw the mouse away and get a new one. They > are almost dirt cheap. Not trackballs like a Marble FX, at any price. Caps are about the only things on digikey and mouser I can ever find to match need. Identifying what I need among the bazillion choices of almost but not quite they stock is the usual problem. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Mouse single click handling?
Alexander V. Makartsev composed on 2023-12-19 11:37 (UTC-0500): > local10 wrote: >> I have several mice that went bad with the same defect: they sometimes >> generate two single clicks very quickly (say, within 10-20ms) instead of a >> single click. > This is a very common problem with micro-switches inside computer mice, > mechanical keyboards, etc. > They wear out with use and has to be replaced, given that they are very > inexpensive, standardized and relatively easy to replace. > Here is a link to PDF datasheet [1] for Omron D2F series switches > specifications. > You need a switch with pin plunger and compatible terminals, those > depend on mice model. > You can buy them at local electronics store, order them from China > (AliExpress), or from any other reputable source. > [1] https://omronfs.omron.com/en_US/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf Can you suggest any particular online source in North America that sells those switches? I had no success trying to refurb one in my invaluable Logitech Trackman Marble FX PS/2 trackball. It took 2 hours to get that tiny switch back together after disassembly and cleaning. :( A Kensington Orbit I had much better luck with cleaning, so didn't need a new switch. AliExpress is reputable? That's news to me. I ordered something from it 20 months ago. There was a lot of back and forth email between us before I actually got something a month later that turned out to be used rather than new, and just as broken as the original part I was trying to replace. My credit card company eventually issued a refund after I explained all that happened. That particular card I rarely used, and hadn't for a number of months before that online purchase or for several months after. 3 months or so after the refund, there were 4 cash advances issued on it totaling around $8,000 on the other side of an ocean I had never crossed. Those got reversed, but my credit rating dropped 100 points and hasn't come near recovering. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...
Mark Fletcher composed on 2023-12-18 20:36 (UTC): > Can anyone explain why, and how I can fix this in a way that will > still work the next time the bookworm kernel gets an update? I can't answer why Grub scripts to what the do, because I don't really use them, and don't need to understand much about them. Grub config files in /boot/grub/ are akin to scripts, but they are really simple, mainly just command scripts. The usual one is grub.cfg, the one os-prober feeds from other Linux installations. A less common one is custom.cfg. To use it requires the admin build it. When it exists, grub-mkconfig incorporates its use by/in grub.cfg. It actually gets called by default from /etc/grub.d/41_custom, which adds the stanzas from it to the Grub boot menu - after those that it has generated itself. I copy it to /etc/grub.d/07_custom, and empty 41_custom. That causes my custom stanzas to appear first in Grub's boot menu. /etc/grub.d/40_custom acts, and a copy of it as 06_custom would act, in similar fashion, except that the admin's custom stanzas are put into it by the admin instead of into a custom.cfg file. Thus, you, as admin, construct working stanzas however you like, with or without UUIDS, with or without device names, with or without volume LABELS, however you like boot to go, and they don't get changed, except by the admin - you. This is easy, because you as admin can use the kernel (and initrd) symlinks Debian puts in /, or anywhere you'd like symlinks to them to go, for distros that don't automatically create them for you. There's no need for maintenance when new kernels are installed in the case of Debian and other distros that automatically generate new symlinks. For those that don't, creating them is trivial. <https://forums.opensuse.org/t/how-to-have-a-custom-uefi-grub-menu-for-a-multiboot-system/133541/2> is a thread that goes through my UEFI system setups. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Problem with /var/cache/apt/archives/
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-12-16 08:45 (UTC-0500): > I am running Bookworm on my Debian computer. When I installed the OS I > selected the option for separate /var etc, and selected the default > sizes of the partitions. Separate filesystem for /var/ is a pointless complication for most installations. I make /home/ separate, and the ESP as it must be, but keep the OS itself on one filesystem. > When I ran sudo apt update this morning I received the error message: > E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ > Can I increase the size of the /var partition on the ssd without having > to reinstall the system? If your /var/ is adjacent to your /, you might boot something else, delete the /var/ and its fstab entry, and add its space to /. The better question is why you don't have enough space. You may have made /var/ too small, but I'm guessing it's full of .deb files you don't need. 'Apt clean' would quickly and easily take care of the latter problem, as implied by the tail of Greg's response. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Boot Problem
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-12-05 13:33 (UTC-0500): > I decided to try something. I logged in to the rescue mode as root and > entered startx at the prompt. This generated the error: I believe if xserver-xorg-legacy is not installed that startx failure is expected. I keep it installed on all mine, so I'm not sure what happens if it is not. > Unable to contact settings server > failed to execute child process "dbus-launch" (No such file or directory) If you have not already, and have not already tried with a virgin user and reached the same failure, while logged out of XFCE, delete all content of ~/.cache/, then try logging in normally. This is known to occasionally succeed in Plasma, and might apply to XFCE as well. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: deb12 for amd64 can't start X
hlyg composed on 2023-12-05 07:32 (UTC+0800): > 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. > [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6250] > it's ok with deb12 for i386 > i think "[KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported" below offer clue > X.Org X Server 1.21.1.7 > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > Current Operating System: Linux debian 6.1.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP > PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.55-1 (2023-09-29) x86_64 > Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-13-amd64 > root=UUID=93a45033-c9c9-4a73-8edf-304576bcc1a9 ro quiet > xorg-server 2:21.1.7-3 (https://www.debian.org/support) > Current version of pixman: 0.42.2 > Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > to make sure that you have the latest version. > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. > (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Dec 5 07:22:04 2023 > (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" > (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. > (EE) > Fatal server error: > (EE) no screens found(EE) This commonly results from some package(s) missing, or that prevents use of available software, such as malconfiguration or software left behind by having had an NVidia card installed previously, not because your GPU or modesetting are not supported. [KMS] drm trouble likely means either libdrm-* is missing, or either or both of the two firmware packages listed below are missing. Do you have all the following installed?: # dpkg-query -W | egrep 'ati|deon|amdg|mwar|mesa' | sort firmware-amd-graphics firmware-linux-free libdrm-amdgpu1:amd64 libdrm-radeon1:amd64 libegl-mesa0:amd64 libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64 libglapi-mesa:amd64 libglu1-mesa:amd64 libglx-mesa0:amd64 mesa-utils mesa-utils-bin:amd64 # If you do, and there is in interfering malconfiguration, then you should see: # lsmod | egrep 'vid|deon' | sort drm 614400 10 gpu_sched,drm_kms_helper,drm_display_helper,drm_buddy,amdgpu,radeon,drm_ttm_helper,ttm drm_display_helper184320 2 amdgpu,radeon drm_kms_helper204800 3 drm_display_helper,amdgpu,radeon drm_ttm_helper 16384 2 amdgpu,radeon i2c_algo_bit 16384 2 amdgpu,radeon radeon 1667072 2 ttm94208 3 amdgpu,radeon,drm_ttm_helper video 65536 3 dell_wmi,amdgpu,radeon wmi36864 5 video,dell_wmi,wmi_bmof,dell_smbios,dell_wmi_descriptor # And thus have a working X session: # inxi -GSaz System: Kernel: 6.1.0-13-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 clocksource: tsc available: hpet,acpi_pm parameters: ro root=/dev/sda12 noresume consoleblank=0 net.ifnames=0 ipv6.disable=1 mitigations=off Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.1 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0 vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Graphics: Device-1: AMD Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM] vendor: Dell driver: radeon v: kernel alternate: amdgpu arch: TeraScale-2 code: Evergreen process: TSMC 32-40nm built: 2009-15 pcie: gen: 2 speed: 5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DP-1,DVI-I-1 empty: none bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:6779 class-ID: 0300 temp: 42.5 C Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,vesa dri: r600 gpu: radeon display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x254mm (30.00x10.00") s-diag: 803mm (31.62") Monitor-1: DP-1 pos: primary,left model: NEC EA243WM serial: built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480 Monitor-2: DVI-I-1 pos: right model: Dell P2213 serial: built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: amd r600 platforms: device: 0 drv: r600 device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: r600 surfaceless: drv: r600 x11: drv: r600 inactive: wayland API: OpenGL v: 4.5 vendor: x.org mesa v: 22.3.6 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 3.1 direct-render: yes renderer: AMD CAICOS (DRM 2.50.0 / 6.1.0-13-amd64 LLVM 15.0.6) device-ID: 1002:6779 memory: 1000 MiB unified: no # The HD6450 is the closest I have to your HD6250, I do have multiple older Radeon cards that work just fine with Bookworm. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Troubleshooting PS/2 interface issues?
Scott Denlinger composed on 2023-11-29 10:55 (UTC-0500): > I'm running Trixie/Sid with a stock 6.5.10 kernel, and I have a Centronics > Model M keyboard from 1988 (from my very first IBM PC!) which I love. I'm > using it with an active PS/2 --> USB converter, which works well enough, > but occasionally the keyboard dies and I need to plug the USB adapter back > in, so I'd like to be able to plug it directly into my system board PS/2 > port. I can sometimes get the keyboard to work when plugged directly into > the PS/2 port and I'm in rescue mode / logged into the console, but it > never works in an X environment (for me, XFCE). PS/2 ports were not designed for hot-plugging. Doing so can kill a PS/2 port permanently. To keep your port alive, only plug a PS/2 keyboard into a PS/2 port while the PC is powered off. It may be that a PS/2 keyboard can also be damaged in same manner, or other. I have an HP Pavilion that worked fine with the same Dell Quietkey keyboard I use with other PCs from the time I got it until recently, when that keyboard quit working with it only, fine with other PCs, except with a newer Pavilion lacking PS/2 ports. With the latter, it had been working OK with a PS/2 to USB adapter, but that quit too. I switched to a different Quietkey and both Pavilions resumed working as they originally had been. > The fact that it works intermittently from the console makes me think it's > a kernel issue, but I don't know how to troubleshoot it at the kernel > level. I would love to get it working in X, but I feel like I need to get > working consistently in single user mode before I can troubleshoot > the issue X seems to be having with the PS/2 interface. > I do have a USB keyboard I can use to do some testing. Can I have both > keyboards plugged in at the same time--the model M in the PS/2 port and > another USB keyboard connected via USB? I do have "/dev/psaux" in the > device tree, and I don't see anything like "/dev/mice" or "/dev/mouse", so > I'm assuming the Model M keyboard would be /dev/psaux. > Thanks for any tips, or links to PS/2 interface resources for Linux. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: BBS menu (was: unexpected behavior)
Joe composed on 2023-11-28 15:02 (UTC-): > the BIOS resets > DefaultBoot to the Windows drive and I then need a rescue OS to get back > to grub. If this is accurate, your BIOS is broken. It's standard procedure for a PC BIOS, even since before UEFI in PCs became commonplace, to provide a BBS menu (BIOS Boot Service). These are a hotkey distinct from a BIOS setup hotkey but used in same manner, to interrupt control shifting from BIOS to disk with a menu offering a selection of media to attempt to boot from. Common keys are: AbitF9 AcerF12 or ESC or F9 ASRock F11 AsusF8 Biostar F9 DellF12 eCS F12 or F10 eMachines F10 EVGAF7 Gateway F12 or F10 GigabyteF12 HP/Compaq F9 or ESC or ESC,F9 Intel F10 Lenovo F12 or F8 or F10 MSI F11 Shuttle ESC or F11 or F7 Toshiba F12 Once the BBS menu appears, you should be able to select Debian UEFI (UEFI), or the disk where Grub was installed (Legacy/BIOS), or a USB stick, or OM drive, or PXE, etc. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Upgrade my distribution
William Torrez Corea composed on 2023-11-16 14:27 (UTC-0600): > *How can I upgrade my distribution?* > I have Debian 11 bullseye. I want have Debian 12 "bookworm" > I execute the command: > apt-get update >> apt upgrade >> apt dist-upgrade > But I don't get any change in my distribution. You must edit /etc/apt/sources.list before that will work: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: report a Debian bug (was: Changing host name and dom...)
gene heskett composed on 2023-11-01 19:20 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata wrote: >> gene heskett composed on 2023-10-31 10:26 (UTC-0400): >>> Mail sent to ad...@bugzilla.com bounces. >> Bugzilla.com has nothing to do with tracking any kind of software issues. >> It's >> about Volkswagen Bug automobiles. > That is informative, thanks Felix, but what is wrong with publishing > the correct address? Not being able to use it, I haven't reserved space > for it in the wet ram... ;o)> For one thing, I never use it directly, and another, it doesn't include the string bugzilla, so I don't remember what it is, and thus need to look it up, same as you, if and when I want it. I use the Debian software named reportbug. If you don't wish to use reportbug, start here: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ If you do: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting or man reportbug -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domainnametouse on home networks
gene heskett composed on 2023-10-31 10:26 (UTC-0400): > I've requested pw resets, never got them, presumable because it sends > the reset link to a 20 yo address. If you know someone who has admin > rights and could fix it, put it to me. Mail sent to ad...@bugzilla.com > bounces. Bugzilla.com has nothing to do with tracking any kind of software issues. It's about Volkswagen Bug automobiles. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12
to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-11-01 12:12 (UTC+0100): > More "down to the bolts" folks use ifupdown (I do). If I stick an Ethernet > cable into my laptop I want to be able to say "sudo ifup eth0". That's more than I need to do. systemd-networkd.socket notices and appropriately responds to the ethernet cable connection without any help from me. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"
to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-10-28 06:36 (UTC+0200): > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:52:37PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:46:55PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I don't think there's a need to defend the status quo: the above page >>> may not be fully incorrect, but it is misleading (especially since the >>> `init` is given a monospace font, to suggest it's an actual program name >>> rather than just the name used to refer to the concept of the initial >>> process). >> unicorn:~$ ps -fp 1 >> UID PIDPPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD >> root 1 0 0 Oct07 ?00:01:58 /sbin/init >> unicorn:~$ ls -l /sbin/init >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 20 08:15 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd* # dpkg-query -S /lib/systemd/systemd systemd: /lib/systemd/systemd # >> /sbin/init is what gets executed by the kernel, regardless of what init >> system is installed. This seems backwards. The kernel may call /sbin/init, but what gets executed is surely /lib/systemd/systemd from package named systemd. # grep RETT /etc/os-release PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)" # apt purge systemd-sysv ... Suggested packages: bootlogd Recommended packages: orphan-sysvinit-scripts The following packages will be REMOVED: alsa-tools-gui* arandr* dbus-user-session* dconf-gsettings-backend* dconf-service* gir1.2-gtk-3.0* gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity* libgtk-3-0* libgtk-3-bin* libgtk-3-common* libpam-systemd* pkexec* polkitd* systemd-sysv* The following NEW packages will be installed: sysvinit-core ... Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. # > Unless you boot (heh) with an "init=" parameter. AFAIK, this link is > provided by the systemd-sysv [0] compatibility package, which, as it > seems, you don't /have/ to install. > This is what the systemd [1] package page says: > "Installing the systemd package will not switch your init >system unless you boot with init=/lib/systemd/systemd or >install systemd-sysv in addition." This would appear to be an anachronism since systemd became the default Debian init system. > so strictly speaking, Stefan is still right. No posts from Greg have arrived here in at least two days, or I would have replied to his directly. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"
Tom Browder composed on 2023-10-27 09:52 (UTC-0500): > Tom Browder wrote: >> Every time I set up a new host, I have to jump through the hoops trying to >> get the same PATH for >> ordinary users as well as root... > This Debian wiki doc pretty much details the information Greg has been > giving us: > https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables It needs some TLC: [quote] 1. At the end of booting, the mother of all processes -- init -- is started. 2. init runs services as described above. [/quote] Isn't this rather obsolete as long as systemd has been with us? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager
Pocket composed on 2023-10-21 12:23 (UTC-0400):
> I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
...
> Is there something I am over looking?
If you're not personally committed to NetworkMangler and only need static
networking, then remove it and ifupdown. Systemd provides simple static IP
network setup:
# inxi -S
System:
Host: gx780 Kernel: 6.1.0-11-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Console: pty pts/0
Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
# dpkg-query --showformat='${Package}\t${Version}\n' --show | egrep
'netw|solv|temd|ifupdown'
libpam-systemd 252.12-1~deb12u1
libqt5network5 5.15.8+dfsg-11
libsystemd-shared 252.12-1~deb12u1
libsystemd0 252.12-1~deb12u1
systemd 252.12-1~deb12u1
systemd-sysv252.12-1~deb12u1
# ls -gG /etc/systemd/network
total 1
-rw-r--r-- 1 175 Apr 3 2023 eth0.network
# systemctl list-unit-files | egrep -i 'net|solv|anager'
ntpsec-systemd-netif.path enabled enabled
display-manager.servicealias -
ntpsec-systemd-netif.service static -
systemd-network-generator.service disabledenabled
systemd-networkd-wait-online.service disableddisabled
systemd-networkd-wait-online@.service disabledenabled
systemd-networkd.service disabledenabled
systemd-networkd.socketenabled enabled
network-online.target static -
network-pre.target static -
network.target static -
# ping -c1 www.google.com
PING www.google.com (64.233.177.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from yx-in-f99.1e100.net (64.233.177.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=155 ms
--- www.google.com ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 154.625/154.625/154.625/0.000 ms
#
Nothing writes to my /etc/resolv.conf except me. :)
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
Re: xrandr 1600x900 (ThinkPad X220T VGA-port) becomes 1440x900 (Samsung SyncMaster S20A300B)
riveravaldez composed on 2023-10-19 21:46 (UTC-0300): > Felix Miata wrote: >> riveravaldez composed on 2023-10-18 16:05 (UTC-0300): >>> Hi everybody, I'm having a resolution issue trying to connect an >>> external monitor to a laptop. >> ... > Hi, Felix, thanks a lot for your very detailed reply and help, it's most > appreciated. >> Using DP instead of VGA would likely solve this if your display had a DP >> input. :p > Certainly, but it hasn't. It has only VGA and DVI-D (Dual Link) inputs, and > the laptop has only DP and VGA outputs, so, VGA is the first option... >> ..., give us something to work from: >> 1-copy & paste input/output from >> inxi -GSaz >> run from an GUI terminal. > $ inxi -GSaz > System: > Kernel: 5.10.0-26-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 > parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-26-amd64 > root=UUID=f80500ac-b2c4-4b08-b123-7dc04b22ea33 ro quiet > Desktop: IceWM 2.7.0 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux > bookworm/sid > Graphics: > Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics > vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:0126 > class ID: 0300 > Device-2: Chicony Lenovo Integrated Camera (0.3MP) type: USB driver: > uvcvideo > bus ID: 1-1.6:3 chip ID: 04f2:b217 class ID: 0e02 > Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: modesetting > unloaded: fbdev,vesa display ID: :0 screens: 1 > Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1366x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 361x203mm (14.2x8.0") > s-diag: 414mm (16.3") > Monitor-1: LVDS-1 res: 1366x768 hz: 60 dpi: 125 size: 277x156mm (10.9x6.1") > diag: 318mm (12.5") > OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 3000 (SNB GT2) v: 3.3 > Mesa 20.3.5 > compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes >> 2-pastebin Xorg.0.log from either /var/log/ or ~/.local/share/xorg/ and >> provide >> its URL. > /var/log/Xorg.0.log > https://paste.debian.net/plain/1295616 https://paste.debian.net/1295628 >> Below in file named /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-monitor.conf could be part of a >> solution, with more information the above request would supply. > Thanks a lot for the proposed solutions. I'm gonna check them and read what's > needed about X to try to put them at work. Hope there's more help I can get > with the info just added. The only clue I see in either log is the very last line of the newer, where X allocates a 1600x900 space, but there's nothing more. Check your VGA cable. If it doesn't have 15 pins on both ends, try one that does. Have you checked BIOS to ensure there isn't anything in it that could block the VGA output? What follows is from a laptop older than yours: # xdriinfo Screen 0: crocus # inxi -GSaz --vs --zl --hostname inxi 3.3.30-00 (2023-09-25) System: Host: e6400 Kernel: 6.1.0-13-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 clocksource: hpet available: acpi_pm parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz root=LABEL= resume=LABEL= ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=off no_console_suspend Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.0 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0 vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Graphics: Device-1: Intel Mobile 4 Series Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-5 process: Intel 45nm built: 2008 ports: active: HDMI-A-1,LVDS-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, DP-3, HDMI-A-2, VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:2a42 class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3200x1080 s-dpi: 109 s-size: 749x253mm (29.49x9.96") s-diag: 791mm (31.13") Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: primary,left model: Acer K272HUL serial: built: 2018 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 82 gamma: 1.2 size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 720x400 Monitor-2: LVDS-1 pos: right model: Seiko Epson 0x5441 built: 2008 res: 1280x800 hz: 60 dpi: 107 gamma: 1.2 size: 303x190mm (11.93x7.48") diag: 358mm (14.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: 1280x800 API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel crocus platforms: device: 0 drv: crocus device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: crocus surfaceless: drv: crocus x11: drv: crocus inactive: wayland API: OpenGL v: 2.1 vendor: intel mesa v: 22.3.6 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 2.0 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Mobile Intel GM45 Express (CTG) device-ID: 8086:2a42 memory: 1.46 GiB unified: yes # While it reports HDMI and LVDS (internal) connected displays, in fact the external is connected to the laptop's DisplayPort, while the input to the display is a DVI port. DP-to-DVI cables and adapters on eBay go for as litt
Re: xrandr 1600x900 (ThinkPad X220T VGA-port) becomes 1440x900 (Samsung SyncMaster S20A300B)
riveravaldez composed on 2023-10-18 16:05 (UTC-0300): > Hi everybody, I'm having a resolution issue trying to connect an > external monitor to a laptop. ... > https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd015807-detailed-specifications-thinkpad-x220-tablet That URL covers multiple configurations, so we can't know all that is relevant from it. Using DP instead of VGA would likely solve this if your display had a DP input. :p VGA is analog. DP, HDMI, DVI are all digital. So is your CPU, GPU and software. The conversion to analog from digital typically is worse than flawless. That said, give us something to work from: 1-copy & paste input/output from inxi -GSaz run from an GUI terminal. 2-pastebin Xorg.0.log from either /var/log/ or ~/.local/share/xorg/ and provide its URL. Below in file named /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-monitor.conf could be part of a solution, with more information the above request would supply. Section "Monitor" Identifier "ExtMonitor" VendorName "Samsung" ModelName "S20A300B" HorizSync 30-83 VertRefresh 56-76 Option "PreferredMode" "1600x900" EndSection This is essentially the information that the EDID from the Samsung should be supplying that X seems to be mishandling. The numbers for sync and ref are estimates, simply copied from a 2012 20" Dell 1600x900 I have here. With only one display it would be enough, but it needs to be assigned to the VGA port connection via another file, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-device.conf. The following might be enough: Section "Device" Identifier "ExtDevice" Option "monitor-VGA-1" "ExtMonitor" EndSection I've always been able to use files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to manage unruly displays rather than resorting to CVT or GTF for manual modeline generation. X knows quite well how to generate appropriate modelines when it has the correct specifications to work with. EDID is supposed to do that. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Acer Monitors
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-10-18 08:09 (UTC-0400): > I am running Bookworm on a AMD CPU and am considering purchasing an > Acer and considering the EK272 EBI 72 in. > I'd be interested in hearing any comments from users of Acer products. Made in 2018 27" 2560x1440 K272HUL has had poor black level since new, but it was only $180. Also it likes to randomly either pretend signal is out of range, or switch from its native 2560x1440 to a low resolution (1024x768 or so), on exit back to login screen after a successful Xorg login session. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/brand/yada*
Sven Joachim composed on 2023-04-29 09:02 (UTC+0200): > On 2023-04-28 21:30 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> # inxi -Gxx >> Graphics: >> Device-1: Intel 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell driver: i915 >> v: kernel arch: Gen-4 ports: active: DVI-D-1 empty: VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 >> chip-ID: 8086:2992 # aka ancient >> # grep MODULES /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf >> # MODULES: [ most | netboot | dep | list ] >> MODULES=dep >> # >> These many per transaction $SUBJECT initrd construction messages have been >> routine >> for a long time in Bullseye and Bookworm regardless of active GPU installed, >> and >> whether or not a firmware-brand-graphics .deb exists and is installed >> for it. > It would be useful to give an example of these messages, as well as a > list of firmware packages you have installed. https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=156340 shows same thing, and reports problem is old and unfixable. Apparently it must only happen with certain CPU/GPU families, which is why it took a while for me to notice. >> Is there something that can be done to avoid this screen and log >> litter? > Install the package that contains the firmware files. For Intel and > NVidia graphics that is firmware-misc-nonfree, for AMD it is > firmware-amd-graphics. >> Can anyone >> point to an existing meta-bug report on the subject of stopping the litter? >> Searching seems to find only reports pointing to particular GPUs, e.g. >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1016286 > It's the same for any GPUs, as well as for other hardware. The > update-initramfs script runs modinfo(8) to find out which firmware files > a loaded module might request and issues a warning for any such file > which is not there. You can check the code for yourself[1]. > 1. https://sources.debian.org/src/initramfs-tools/0.142/hook-functions/#L109 -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Debian will not boot any more, wrong UUID
Hans composed on 2023-09-30 17:34 (UTC+0200): ... > On my notebook I have 2 drives, one is a NVME drive, the other a normal > harddrive What I would try to do in sequence if I had it here: 1-have Acer support explain why the AHCI option disappeared, and get it to restore it with new BIOS or laptop if necessary. I wouldn't have high expectations that this would succeed unless the OEM boot device with Windows remained as shipped for delivery to support for analysis, but try at least. Usually best when buying a brand new computer with Windows for use with Linux to not disturb the OEM drive content before the warranty expires. IOW, store it elsewhere than in the computer. 2-remove both drives 3-clear/reset the UEFI BIOS so that no boot devices appear 4-reboot into BIOS do see if AHCI option has reappeared 5-try booting a live USB without any installed HDD or NVME 6-install one NVME or HDD that has been wiped or otherwise virgin 7-install Debian in UEFI mode -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Sunrise and Sunset from terminal
piorunz composed on 2023-09-23 23:50 (UTC+0100):
> Felix Miata wrote:
>>> sh srss.sh
>> Sunrise Today: 64:7889657242711361093201601361071834
>> Sunset Today: 65:7242711361093201601361071834
>
>> That sort of resembles the half day format common outside the military.
> Sorry, works for me.
> Don't forget to fix line breaks in three lines (curl and grep/awk/sed
> lines), because e-mail client splitted them.
> Also, your city may not be supported by this website, this you changed it?
Still doesn't make sense:
> cat srss.sh
#!/bin/bash
SunTimes=$(curl --silent "https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/gainesville;
2>/dev/null)
SunriseTime=$(echo "$SunTimes" | grep -o 'Sunrise Today.*' | awk '{print $3}' |
sed 's/[^0-9]//g')
SunsetTime=$(echo "$SunTimes" | grep -o 'Sunset Today.*' | awk '{print $3}' |
sed 's/[^0-9]//g')
# Optional: Insert a colon between hours and minutes
SunriseTime="${SunriseTime:0:2}:${SunriseTime:2}"
SunsetTime="${SunsetTime:0:2}:${SunsetTime:2}"
echo "Sunrise Today:" $SunriseTime
echo "Sunset Today:" $SunsetTime
> sh srss.sh
Sunrise Today: 71:8
Sunset Today: 72:4
>
It's still that idiotic AM/PM nonsense, and the : is in the wrong place.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset from terminal
piorunz composed on 2023-09-23 23:35 (UTC+0100):
> #!/bin/bash
> SunTimes=$(curl --silent "https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/london;
> 2>/dev/null)
> SunriseTime=$(echo "$SunTimes" | grep -o 'Sunrise Today.*' | awk '{print
> $3}' | sed 's/[^0-9]//g')
> SunsetTime=$(echo "$SunTimes" | grep -o 'Sunset Today.*' | awk '{print
> $3}' | sed 's/[^0-9]//g')
> # Optional: Insert a colon between hours and minutes
> SunriseTime="${SunriseTime:0:2}:${SunriseTime:2}"
> SunsetTime="${SunsetTime:0:2}:${SunsetTime:2}"
> echo "Sunrise Today:" $SunriseTime
> echo "Sunset Today:" $SunsetTime
> sh srss.sh
Sunrise Today: 64:7889657242711361093201601361071834
Sunset Today: 65:7242711361093201601361071834
>
That sort of resembles the half day format common outside the military.
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Re: Fresh install, Bookworm, XFCE keeps recreating directories
David Wright composed on 2023-09-15 22:22 (UTC-0500): > On Fri 15 Sep 2023 at 21:24:53 (-0400), Curt Howland wrote: >> On Friday 15 September 2023, Curt Howland was heard to say: >>> I'm not interested in having directories like "Public" and >>> "Videos", but every time I delete them something recreates those >>> directories. >> Found /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf, changed to "enable=False", no change. >> Found $/.config/user-dirs.dirs, commented out the ones I didn't want, >> no change. File $/.config/user-dirs.dirs reverted to original on >> logout/login. >> Changed all the pointers in $/.config/user-dirs.dirs to "Desktop" so >> that no other directory would be created, success. Deleted >> directories stay deleted. File $/.config/user-dirs.dirs not reverting >> to original form on logout/login. >> What an immense waste of time. I can understand having the directories >> created once, when the user is created. This automatic regeneration >> is utterly pointless and annoying. > AIUI (which is not very well), this comes with the territory when you > install a Desktop Environment. > If you don't really want "Desktop" either, then according to: > > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/ > > you can set all those environment variables to point to your $HOME > directory. (The Note that follows explains that just deleting > (≡commenting out) a variable doesn't work.) Example ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs file written 4 years ago that WFM: # This file is written by xdg-user-dirs-update # If you want to change or add directories, just edit the line you're # interested in. All local changes will be retained on the next run # Format is XDG_xxx_DIR="$HOME/yyy", where yyy is a shell-escaped # homedir-relative path, or XDG_xxx_DIR="/yyy", where /yyy is an # absolute path. No other format is supported. # XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Desktop/" XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/Documents/" XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="/home/downloads/" XDG_MUSIC_DIR="/home/AV/music/" XDG_PICTURES_DIR="/home/AV/pix/" XDG_PUBLICSHARE_DIR="/home/pub/" XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="/home/" XDG_VIDEOS_DIR="/home/AV/videos/" -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: memtest86
gene heskett composed on 2023-09-15 12:24 (UTC-0400): > Mandrake was good, went bust Its core has survived in the form of Mageia, which just released v9 a few weeks ago. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: memtest86
Tom Browder composed on 2023-09-14 15:29 (UTC-0500): > Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > ... >> I know "memtest86" was before "memtest86+", but memtest86+ is a successor >> I just found my system rescue disk, booted it, entered the memtest86++ and > see lots of FAILUREs (I have 128 Gb so that may be why it's been hit and > miss). > I'm trying to see if a log is or can be generated for my warranty repair. All my UEFI PCs have memtest86 from https://www.memtest86.com/ installed. ISTR it logs by default. ATM, I don't have any UEFI PCs booted to confirm. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: video issue following latest bullseye update
D. R. Evans composed on 2023-09-13 08:54 (UTC-0600): > I have removed /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and the problem remains. > So in this case, where should I report the issue? Follow the instructions on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting and be sure to include when the problem began. I'd probably select Mesa as component, because IIRC without rereading the whole pair of threads, it happens whether you're using the modesetting DIX or nouveau DDX. Triagers can move it to DRM or kernel if they think it better. Do you have disk space available or a different disk for installing Bookworm? There's no way to predict when such a bug will get attention or fixed. Developers usually need repeatable reproduction scenarios in order to determine what broke. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?
D. R. Evans composed on 2023-09-12 11:12 (UTC-0600): > Felix Miata wrote: > From the rest of your post, it sounds like everything is as it should be, > except that I should probably remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. And I could > also re-install the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau without effecting any change; > but for now I think I'll just keep things as they are and just note these as > possible changes to try sometime, with the expectation that they won't make > any practical difference, but might make the system a bit cleaner to > administer. You really should eliminate that xorg.conf file, and if the problem continues, don't assume it's the kernel driver at fault. Just report a bug if so inclined. Where would depend on behavior after removing xorg.conf. If it fixes the problem, there is almost assuredly no bug anywhere at all affecting you. If with modesetting it's gone, but with xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed and in use it remains, then it would be good to report a nouveau DDX bug, though the problem could be DRI or Mesa. Unreported bugs can go a very long time before a fix occurs, if ever. What you are now experiencing is not acceptable behavior. 13 years of age is too young to accept FOSS performance degradation or need GPU upgrade. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: video issue following latest bullseye update
D. R. Evans composed on 2023-05-22 14:39 (UTC-0600): > Do you really mean "DDX", not "DIX"? < > I made the edit according to your instructions (i.e., "DDX") but I'm not > certain that your e-mail didn't contain a typo. My first thread post did have a bad one: sudo sed -i 'a/^B_ALLOW_UPDATE/#B_ALLOW_UPDATE/g' /etc/inxi.conf was supposed to read sudo sed -i 's/^B_ALLOW_UPDATE/#B_ALLOW_UPDATE/g' /etc/inxi.conf -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?
You did it. You made the switch. But see below. (There are multiple components to GPU support in Linux.) (There is no "the" nouveau "driver". Graphics support is in the hands of multiple software components, several of which incorporate the string "nouveau" in naming.) D. R. Evans composed on 2023-09-11 11:47 (UTC-0600): > Graphics: >Device-1: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nouveau Above shows your kernel DEVICE driver is nouveau. It ships specifically for each kernel with each kernel. For NVidia GPUs there is no other FOSS device driver option for normal use with KMS enabled, which maximum possible FOSS performance unconditionally requires. With KMS disabled, there is a crude generic option with limited resolutions available that no one ever would use purposely unless too naive to understand the opportunity loss. It's for fallback and troubleshooting when normal is unavailable. > v: kernel non-free: series: 390.xx+ status: legacy-active (EOL~late 2022) > arch: Fermi code: GF1xx process: 40/28nm built: 2010-16 pcie: gen: 1 > speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: HDMI-A-1 empty: DVI-I-1,VGA-1 > bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0de1 class-ID: 0300 >Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 with: Xwayland v: 22.1.9 driver: X: > loaded: modesetting dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Above shows your loaded X DISPLAY driver is modesetting, the one & only competent FOSS alternative to the nouveau that ships in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. The DRI driver is another nouveau, another piece of the graphics support puzzle, another only option for competent FOSS NVidia GPU support. # dpkg-query -W | grep nouveau libdrm-nouveau2:amd64 2.4.114-1+b1amd64 Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime # https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure > My xorg.conf file currently looks like this: You should have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. Proprietary NVidia drivers and configurators normally make one. It's just something they do. For FOSS drivers, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is an anachronism that remains occasionally useful. Any such file created by NVidia installation or reconfiguration must be removed, or severely edited, in order to revert from proprietary NVidia driver use to FOSS-only use. > And the file that Felix suggested I install, > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-device.conf, looks like this: > Section "Device" >Identifier "DDX" > Driver "modesetting" > # Driver "nouveau" > EndSection That's a valid available option for overriding the selection Xorg would make on its automagic own. Its existence overrides any conflicting equivalent in any existing /etc/X11/xorg.conf. By having it it is normally not necessary to keep xserver-xorg-video-nouveau uninstalled to keep X keeping the modesetting DIX loaded instead of the nouveau DDX. DIX: Device Independent X display driver (works with most GPUs regarless of brand) DDX: Device Dependent X display driver (specific to one brand of GPU) -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: HDMI not working with Bookworm on HP17-CN2156ng laptop
What is not working, HDMI video? HDMI audio? Both? CL composed on 2023-08-30 17:06 (UTC+0200): > - firmware-misc-nonfree > - firmware-intel-sound > - firmware-realtek > - firmware-sof-signed > - xserver-xorg-video-intel > I assume this is the source of the i915 driver. > Uninstalled this also for trial but no difference It's not the source of the i915 kernel device driver (module) for Intel GPUs. Each kernel of necessity must get its own device driver set. xserver-xorg-video-intel provides the intel display driver for X (DDX; hardware Device Dependent X), which when installed will be used by Xorg/Wayland in lieu of the default/preferred modesetting display driver for X (DIX: hardware Device Independent X). Also involved in graphics are Mesa-dri and libdrm_intel1. > - xserver-xorg-core > - xserver-xorg-video-all > - and some other xserver-xorg-video... Inxi -GSaz does a much better job of reporting graphics configuration, e.g.: # inxi -GSaz --vs --zl --hostname inxi 3.3.27-00 (2023-05-07) System: Host: ab560 Kernel: 6.1.0-9-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz root=LABEL= noresume ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=off Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.0 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0 vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Graphics: Device-1: Intel RocketLake-S GT1 [UHD Graphics 730] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-12.1 process: Intel 10nm built: 2020-21 ports: active: DP-1,HDMI-A-1,HDMI-A-2 empty: HDMI-A-3 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:4c8b class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x558mm (30.00x21.97") s-diag: 944mm (37.18") Monitor-1: DP-1 pos: primary,bottom-l model: Acer K272HUL serial: built: 2018 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2 size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400 Monitor-2: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: top-left model: NEC EA243WM serial: built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480 Monitor-3: HDMI-A-2 mapped: HDMI-2 pos: top-right model: Dell P2213 serial: built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: Mesa Intel Graphics (RKL GT1) direct-render: Yes # Above noted you'll see i915 kernel module used for the GPU device, the modesetting DIX used for the Xorg display device, iris used for dri, and Mesa dri used for OpenGL rendering. Also in the output are shown kernel cmdline options from Grub that may impact graphics. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Boot issue
Hans composed on 2023-08-27 20:19 (UTC+0200): > When I boot the system, then the drives are not mounted as set in /etc/fstab. > For example, the SDD should mounted to /space, and the unencrypted HDD shall > be mounted to /daten. > But it seems, sometimes the mountpoints are not correct, so the SDD is not > mounted to /space, but to /daten. > Also some harddrives are not recognized at all and I then must boot several > times, that all drives and partitions are seen. Please show output from lsblk -f and content of /etc/fstab. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Konsole is not bash
Bob Weber composed on 2023-08-20 11:04 (UTC-0400): > gene heskett wrote: >> I cannot make bashes redirection (cmd 2>&1 >tmp/cmd.log) work in Konsole. >> What >> terminal actually uses bash for the heavy lifting? > In konsole its in the settings for the profile you are using. Mine just says > bash not /usr/bin/bash. If a profile uses ssh that will be there also. Its > under "Settings/Edit current profile" or "Settings/Manage profiles". In the most recent versions of Konsole I've started (5.27.x), the default profile has inexplicably been changed from /bin/bash to /bin/sh. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Debian 12 Fresh Install
rudu composed on 2023-08-19 00:22 (UTC+0200): > Le 18/08/2023 à 22:23, Brian Clarke a écrit : >> I have just installed Debian 12 onto my server however it boots normally, >> but when its in the log in screen and i move my mouse the screen just turns >> off. >> Can you help me with this please. >> I use a VGA monitor for the server. > If it could be related to your graphic driver, we could use some more info. > While on the log screen, could you switch to a console screen hitting > ctrl+alt+F1 ? > Then after log in, give us the result of : > $ inxi -G Much better for any kind of graphics issues is: inxi -GSaz Also, F1 may or may not be providing a login shell. Ctrl-Alt-F[3-6] may be better. X may not be on F7 or F8, but instead F1 and/or F2. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: 11 to 12 - fresh install or upgrade
Juan R.D. Silva composed on 2023-08-06 17:45 (UTC-0400): > It's time to move from bullseye to bookworm. Based on the previous years > experience I've always preferred a fresh install vs. an upgrade, since > the freshly installed system always run smoother and was not littered > with any old junk left from the old system. > However, things might have changed/improved. Thus I decided to ask the > community. > Could you share your opinion based on personal experience? To install or > to upgrade? Mine is fairly simple desktop system for home use. Nothing > special, except maybe the need of dual architecture support and Wine to > run one special little app. IME, upgrades are by far the lesser nuisance, so much so that I can't remember when I last did a fresh installation on any PC I own. It may have been in 2018. I have >25 PCs running Bookworm and Bullseye. Most still also have Buster. A handful have Trixie. A Buster was probably my last fresh installation. One distinction here is none normally use a DE from standard repos. Installations all started with no DE or IceWM, to which Trinity Desktop Environment was added. Another is all are on wired static IP's, and post-Buster, all are doing it on systemd-networkd. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: something seriously wrong with my bookworm install
gene heskett composed on 2023-07-26 18:03 (UTC-0400): > All the files in /var/log/journal/big hash subdir/* are digital trash, > mostly $00 > and worthless for any human troubleshooting. What is the big secret all > about? That big hash is there for at least one good reason: good tools are built into journalctl for accessing those binaries, so there's no good reason to dive directly into their content. e.g., journalctl -b opens the complete log for the current boot, in a modern pager equivalent to less. If MH doesn't like less, it only takes a second or so extra to redirect whatever of its content pleases MH to >whateverfilenamepleasesMH so MH can open it in whatever text/log file peruser >he likes better. Meanwhile you might peruse the journalctl man page to see all the neat ways to extract subsets of its contents. I don't have to guess which log(S) to look in when I need something any more since systemd brought us journalctl. I like that digital blob setup, and I'm only about 2^4 years younger than you. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Synaptic Problem
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-07-07 15:17 (UTC-0400): > I have just installed Bookworm without any problems. > However, synaptic has developed a problem: 1920x1080 is working now??? > Google has not found a solution that works. > I would appreciate suggstions. It's for a Brother printer, came from Brother's web site. I find my brscan4 installed to /opt/brother/scanner/. Hopefully this can help you find the archive you downloaded on your Bullseye disk instead of needing to hunt for it on Brother's website. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Monitor Problem
Dan Ritter composed on 2023-07-06 13:28 (UTC-0400): > Stephen P. Molnar wrote: >> HDMI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) >> DVI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) >> VGA-0 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm >> x 0mm >>1024x768 60.00* >>800x600 60.3256.25 >>848x480 60.00 >>640x480 59.94 > This is still VGA. You have not swapped the cable for an HDMI or > DVI cable. > Start there. Exactly. You can get HDMI cables anywhere that sells TVs: WalMart, Target, Best Buy, Roses, probably Home Depot, Lowes, CVS & Walgreens too, besides computer shops. Your new VGA cable could be worse than the old one. Some displays need a cable with all 15 pins good. Cheaper cables only use 14. The retaining screw sockets for VGA connectors sometimes come loose. When they do, it's possible for them to prevent the cable from being completely connected unless you screw them back in or remove them. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Monitor Problem
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-07-06 12:02 (UTC-0400): > I changed the cable and get the same results. Meaning what, another VGA cable, or a digital cable (DisplayPort, HDMI or DVI)?? VGA is an analog technology that dates back into the 1980s. Developers are becoming fewer and fewer who use it, leading to potential regressions in software that uses it. Digital is more competent. Use it if you can, and surely you can with both your HD5450 and your LG digital flat panel display. Both DisplayPort and HDMI provide the benefit of also carrying audio to your display, should that be your wish. > Then I googled 'linux force vga monitor mode'. This resulted in: > 1. Open a Terminal by CTRL + ALT + T > 2. Type xrandr and ENTER > 3. Note the display name usually VGA-1 or HDMI-1 or DP-1 > 4. Type cvt 1920 1080 (to get the --newmode args for the next step) and > ENTER > 5. Type sudo xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_60.00" 173.00 1920 2048 2248 > 2576 1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync and ENTER > However, I am rather hesitant to try this. Technically, yes, but as a practical matter highly unlikely, and cvt does no better at generating a mode than X does if given the vertical refresh and horizontal sync data it needs that EDID is failing to do. Create a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-monitor.conf containing: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" HorizSync 30-81 VertRefresh 56-75 Option "PreferredMode" "1920x1080" EndSection Note that the sync and refresh numbers should come from your display's specifications in its manual, but those above are likely adequate to task. It's also possible that 'hwinfo --monitor' would give you those two specs. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Monitor Problem
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-07-05 15:36 (UTC-0400): > Two peoblems remain; > Booting into the 500GB SDD, upon which I installed Debian-12.0.0 still has a > highest resolution of 1024x768. > Booting into the 1TD SSDmstill hangs with a message: ;out of range' I don't know about the others, but I can't remember everything about your situation from every post you make. You need to provide/recap troubleshooting information from Bookworm now that you're using it: 1-pastebin[1] /var/log/Xorg.0.log if it exists, otherwise ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log if it exists, or /var/log/Xorg.1.log if it exists, or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.1.log if it exists, or if none exist, output from journalctl -b 2-input/output in an X session from 'inxi -SGaz' attached or pasted here 3-is result same whether connected to your LG or your TV? 4-what cable type are you using, VGA? HDMI? DP? DVI? Any adapters involved, such as a KVM switch? If the latter, does connecting directly help? Does switching cables help? 5-If you create a new user and login using it, does the 1024x768 limitation remain? 6-take that last several paragraphs into account in answering, from: <https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/07/msg00037.html> This identical 1024x768 limitation with two disks and two operating systems and two different gfxcards suggests a monitor or cabling issue that cannot be corrected in software. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin [2] man pastebinit -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Monitor Problem
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-07-04 16:09 (UTC-0400): > I have gotten to the point where I wan to solve the resolution by > installing v-12 on my 500 GB SSD. However, although the CD/DVD drive is > first in the Boot Menu, the system ignores that and boots into the Desktop. > Suggestions, please? It could be the BIOS is being obstreperous, or the media could defective in some way. To force an attempt to boot from removable media instead of internal storage, BIOS provide a BBS hotkey. These depend on the BIOS, typically by brand. Among the possibles: ASRock F11 AsusF8 Biostar F9? DellF12 eCS F12 or F10 eMachines F10 EVGAF7 GigabyteF12 HP F9 or ESC or ESC,F9, or F10 Lenovo F12 or F8 or F10 MSI F11 Toshiba F12 Proper timing of key strike varies, but must occur before POST completes. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Monitor Problem
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-07-02 13:58 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-07-02 10:57 (UTC-0400): >>> I should have posted to the debian users group, but unfortunately, I >>> can't access the last reply you sent. Fortunately, I printed it. >>> I guess I really did it this time, I found a HDMI to HDMi at the >>> Microcenter but it doesn't open until 11:00am. >> Walmart has them, unless the pegs are all out of stock. Same for Best Buy. >> They're >> no different for PCs than for TVs. >>> So I thought I'd go ahead and remove the xserver-org-video-radeon driver >>> in preparation. When I rebooted the system I got an out of range signal >>> again. When I booted in to the recovery mode I got a arm_radeon_ vga >>> detect [radeon] *ERROR* VGA-1 probrd a monitor but no|invalid EDI error >>> that repeats over and over. >> At the Grub menu with the default still selected, strike the E key, then >> navigate >> to the end of the line that begins linu. Append there nomodeset, then >> proceed with >> the boot via F10 or Ctrl-X. First, try normally using the HDMI cable you >> should >> have procured by now. >> Most developers haven't used VGA connections for more than a decade, so they >> miss >> regressions they cause. Until users discover and report them, nothing gets >> done >> about them. Digital connections both produce higher quality output, and more >> reliability. >>> I really hate to bother you with this > Once again, your expertise and instructions have moved me back to whete > I was. > (base) comp@AbNormal:~$ inxi -GSaz > System: Kernel: 5.10.0-23-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 > parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-23-amd64 > root=UUID=9848531c-e052-44b0-a5b6-9ea786f9eaee ro quiet nomodeset > Desktop: Xfce 4.16.0 tk: Gtk 3.24.24 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 > dm: LightDM 1.26.0 > Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) > Graphics: Device-1: AMD Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] vendor: > VISIONTEK > driver: N/A alternate: radeon bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 1002:68f9 > class ID: 0300 > Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: vesa unloaded: > fbdev,modesetting > alternate: ati display ID: :0.0 screens: 1 > Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1024x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 271x203mm > (10.7x8.0") s-diag: 339mm (13.3") > Monitor-1: default res: 1024x768 > OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 11.0.1 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa > 20.3.5 compat-v: 3.1 > direct render: Yes That info is incomplete. Bullseye's inxi is ancient and broken. If you edit /etc/inxi.conf to read as follows: # cat /etc/inxi.conf ## We want to use the distro to track the package B_ALLOW_UPDATE=true GLOBAL_COLOR_SCHEME=0 # then sudo inxi -U will update it to the current version. > I am at a resolution of 1024x768. Also, after I got in the first tine I > decided to reboot and see what would happen. I had to do the fix again, > so, f course, it is not permanent. Appending nomodeset is primarily intended for troubleshooting graphics issues by enabling fallback graphics functional for editing configurations and running package management. As long as you must use nomodeset, you are forced into 1024x768 at best, sometimes worse. It's only coincidental that this mode is used by both your original problem and using nomodeset, because it's a failsafe fallback. > So the question is what do I do next? Perhaps, install Debian 12.0.0 on > my 500 GB SSD. > What do you think? Your new HD5450 GPU is in fact older than your "old" Kaveri Radeon R7 GPU. Your new one is the last of its generation. Your old one was the second of its generation. The generational change was very significant, quite a change in technology. Thus, your initrds might not be supporting it, which would cause fallback to the crude ancient techology VESA fallback display driver if the support for the older had never been installed. If this is the problem, rebuilding the initrds should solve it. Before doing that I would try sudo modprobe radeon to see if it has an apparent impact. If it solves the problem, running update-initramfs might be all that is required. It might also be that libdrm-radeon1 is not installed, which your HD5450 requires for optimal operation, and so also would need to be installed. If all is well, you should probably see pretty close to exactly as follows: # lsmod | egrep 'vid|deo|ati ' | sort drm 626688 5 drm_kms_helper,radeon,ttm drm_kms_helper278528 1 radeon i2c_algo_bit 16384 1
Re: Nvidia GT 710 and Secure Boot
Mick Ab composed on 2023-07-02 17:36 (UTC+0100): > I understand that some people have experienced problems with booting a > motherboard with Secure Boot enabled in the BIOS such that they get a blank > screen, can't enter the BIOS and possibly can't boot at all. > This problem seems to be due to having an old graphics card which doesn't > have UEFI firmware, in particular no GOP driver. > I have an Nvidia Geforce GT 710 graphics card, which is an old card and > probably doesn't have the UEFI firmware or GOP driver needed with the > Secure Boot feature. The way I understand GOP, the driver is provided by or for the bootloader when the bootloader is installed, and doesn't care about GPU firmware. > Is there a way in which the GT 710 can be updated to incorporate the > necessary UEFI firmware and GOP driver ? UEFI firmware is in a motherboard chip, not part of any gfxcard. I've had no problem using older gfxcards than yours in UEFI PC tests, but since the iGPU was newer in every case, there was no reason to burn extra electrons keeping an unneeded gfxcard installed. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Out of Range Monitor Problim
:01:00.0 SysFS BusID: :01:00.0 Hardware Class: graphics card Model: "ATI Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series]" Vendor: pci 0x1002 "ATI Technologies Inc" Device: pci 0x68f9 "Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series]" SubVendor: pci 0x1682 "XFX Pine Group Inc." SubDevice: pci 0x304a Driver: "radeon" Driver Modules: "radeon" Memory Range: 0xd000-0xdfff (ro,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xfbde-0xfbdf (rw,non-prefetchable) I/O Ports: 0xd000-0xdfff (rw) Memory Range: 0x000c-0x000d (rw,non-prefetchable,disabled) IRQ: 30 (106 events) I/O Ports: 0x3c0-0x3df (rw) Module Alias: "pci:v1002d68F9sv1682sd304Abc03sc00i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: radeon is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe radeon" Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #13 (PCI bridge) Primary display adapter: #16 # dpkg-query -W | egrep 'amdgpu|radeon|mwar|xorg|x11|mesa|video' | sort firmware-amd-graphics 20210315-3 firmware-linux-free 20200122-1 firmware-sof-signed 1.7-1 libdrm-amdgpu1:amd642.4.104-1 libdrm-radeon1:amd642.4.104-1 libegl-mesa0:amd64 20.3.5-1 libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 20.3.5-1 libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64 20.3.5-1 libglapi-mesa:amd64 20.3.5-1 libglu1-mesa:amd64 9.0.1-1 libglx-mesa0:amd64 20.3.5-1 libva-x11-2:amd64 2.10.0-1 libx11-6:amd64 2:1.7.2-1+deb11u1 libx11-data 2:1.7.2-1+deb11u1 libx11-xcb1:amd64 2:1.7.2-1+deb11u1 mesa-utils 8.4.0-1+b1 x11-apps7.7+8 x11-common 1:7.7+22 x11-session-utils 7.7+4 x11-utils 7.7+5 x11-xfs-utils 7.7+2+b1 x11-xkb-utils 7.7+5 x11-xserver-utils 7.7+8 xserver-xorg-core 2:1.20.11-1+deb11u6 xserver-xorg-input-evdev1:2.10.6-2 xserver-xorg-legacy 2:1.20.11-1+deb11u6 # lsmod | egrep 'vid|amd|drm|radeon' | sort cec61440 1 drm_kms_helper drm 630784 5 drm_kms_helper,radeon,ttm drm_kms_helper278528 1 radeon i2c_algo_bit 16384 1 radeon radeon 1675264 2 ttm 114688 1 radeon # You might notice that my HD5450 has loaded the modesetting Xorg display driver, while yours has loaded ati,radeon. You may uninstall xserver-xorg-video-radeon to allow yours to do the same. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Monitor Problem???
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2021-01-03 06:58 (UTC-0400): > My main computer runs Debian Buster and is displaying some unusual > behavior. > The monitor is blanking, without warning, at random times, and restoring > the screen while I working. There is no warning, nor does the computer > seem to be overheating (I continuously monitor the temperature). > I rather suspect that it may be a hardware problem. I keep the software > up to date. This 30 month old issue smells a lot like the current one. Do you still have a KVM switch hooked up to the M5 A97 R2.0's GPU? I don't see a solution in that thread on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/01/threads.html . -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Out of Range Monitor Problim
Gareth Evans composed on 2023-06-29 22:00 (UTC+0100): >> Stephen P. Molnar wrote: ... > Stephen said this happened "when [he] logged in." > Stephen, assuming you actually logged in before the issue occurred, did you > log in to a login/display manager such as LightDM or did you log in to a > console/CLI prompt and subsequently run startx, whereupon the issue occurred? > If the former, either X or Wayland is running at the point of "login > screen", isn't it? At some "standard" (high-ish, working) resolution? > Doesn't this suggest a display configuration problem rather than a hardware > issue? A display configuration problem should not result from shutting down one day and booting again next day. So, the state of the PC "when logged in" matters. Was it a fresh boot? A resume from hibernation? Resume from sleep? Given he got 'into rescue mode', it probably means nomodeset and/or other failsafe X parameters that could preclude compositing that his DE depends on. It's pretty important he report what his GPU is. If it's an NVidia, we need to know whether he's using NVidia's proprietary drivers. It could be that before his last successful session exit some automatic updates were applied to break a proprietary driver installation. In that case, booting a prior kernel could be a workaround or solution. Indeed, if his words were meant literally, he may have been at a GUI login screen, but he could have meant login at a shell prompt. From a shell prompt startx or equivalent causing the black screen means any part of DM or DE or WM or personal settings could be at fault. If at a GUI screen, he should be able to select some other session type than his normal one to log into. Other type can mean both switching between Wayland and Xorg, and/or among other installed DEs or WMs. This could result in a successful session that might point to a problem with his personal settings, or the DE or WM session type he normally uses. We need to see more details about his normal login process, what actually transpired, and what his normal DE or WM is. There are multitudes of ways to get a black screen. The more info, the better and faster a solution might be found. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Out of Range Monitor Problim
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-06-29 15:15 (UTC-0400): > All components were purchased from tho Microcenter herein Columbus. > It could, in fact, connect to a TV on the LAN in the same room, But now > I get form the TV: Computer No signal is it on? Not a good sign. :( Did you turn the TV on, and to the correct input, before turning on the PC? Some TVs don't like being late to the boot. So do some GPUs. > inxi -GSaz, in safe mode, returns- bash: inxi: command not found If network is working, sudo apt install inxi will install it, but because Bullseye's inxi is a broken antique, better to do the following as root: cd /usr/local/bin && wget -O inxi smxi.org/inxi && chmod +x inxi from: https://smxi.org/docs/inxi-installation.htm#inxi-manual-install to get the much improved current version. Inxi -Gaz is the best there is for providing basic graphics troubleshooting info. > cat for both logs returns: no such file or directory Bad sign. I never use Wayland, so can't be sure what if any logging it does that ordinary people can locate. Xorg should have left an old one in either location if there is no current one. I think Wayland leaves its stuff in the journal: <https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+journalctl+wayland> > Let me pose a hypothetical - Would installing Debian 12 on a different > drive boot. or would I (most likely) muck-up the entire computer? It's possible to muck up what you have, but if you remove the current drive and install the different one and Bookworm, it might be your best way forward. If the installer can't work either, it would be near certain you've acquired a hardware problem, hopefully easily resolved with a graphics card swap if you can locate one to try without too much trouble. What to look for might depend on what you have in there now. NVidia as good at giving people headaches like you have. Intel only just began (after more than two decades of not) providing discrete graphics cards. So hopefully you could get hands on a PCIe AMD card made less than 10 years ago to try. Simply starting the Bookworm installer, if it starts at all, might say a lot. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Out of Range Monitor Problim
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-06-29 11:50 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-06-29 06:55 (UTC-0400): >>> I have Bullseye currently installed on my main Linux platform. >>> When I logged in this morning I got an Out of Range 95.3 kHz/60 kHz >>> error. >> What was the system stated immediately before trying? IOW, was it >> suspended, off, hibernated, asleep? >> It's hard to help much when you tell so little about your current >> system. Was your cat sleeping on it when you came to use it? Is it a >> laptop? How many displays are attached? What GPU(s)? Which DE or WM? >> Inxi -GSaz is a good way to provide needed system info, if you can >> get logged in successfully somehow, maybe by rebooting, or >> Ctrl-Alt-F3 then Alt-F7/F1 cycled a time or three, or cycling the >> display's power. Is your video cable loose? Ancient? Is your display >> ancient, or VGA (analog)? Is your display under warranty? Maybe it's >> hinting you'd be wise to upgrade to Bookworm, or shouldn't be >> tempted. How old is it? So many unanswered questions. :( > First of all, I don't have a cat, so let's forego any further cattiness. It really wasn't meant to be humorous. Horizontal configurations with top vents are attractive to cats napping, leading to hair buildup collecting on components, overheating, and strange behavior over time. > I built the system on 6/26/2015 and have kept up on maintenance > ASUS M5 A97 R2.0 Motherboard BIOS 2603 I see no video outputs on this one: https://www.newegg.com/asus-m5a97-le-r2-0/p/N82E16813131872 > AMD FX-8320 Eight-Core Processor 3500MHz No GPU found on that either: https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/fx-8320 > 8179 MB (DDR 1600MHz) Not likely system RAM has anything to do with an out-of-range display problem. > The display is a 23 in LG flat screen (3 years old). My then 3 year old LG from 2017 needed new LED strips, shortly after its warranty expired. LG was Goldstar before its name change. > All the cables are firmly attached. When did that happen last, 3 years ago? eBay stuff, or good stuff, and what type? USB-C to DP? HDMI to HDMI? DVI to HDMI? Any adapters? These come in many flavors. Is a KVM switch involved? Is inxi that hard for you to do? No help from rebooting, rebooting in failsafe mode, or trying a TV instead of your 23? # inxi -GSaz System: Host: ara88 Kernel: 5.10.0-20-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz root=LABEL= noresume ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 mitigations=auto consoleblank=0 radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 Desktop: Trinity v: R14.0.13 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0 vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) Graphics: Device-1: AMD Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] vendor: ASRock driver: amdgpu v: kernel alternate: radeon arch: GCN-2 code: Sea Islands process: GF/TSMC 16-28nm built: 2013-17 ports: active: DP-1, DVI-D-1, HDMI-A-1, VGA-1 empty: none bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:130f class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x558mm (30.00x21.97") s-diag: 944mm (37.18") Monitor-1: DVI-D-1 mapped: DVI-D-0 pos: top-left model: NEC EA243WM serial: built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480 Monitor-2: DP-1 mapped: DisplayPort-0 pos: primary,bottom-l model: Acer K272HUL serial: built: 2018 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2 size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400 Monitor-3: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-A-0 pos: top-right model: Dell P2213 serial: built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 Monitor-4: VGA-1 mapped: VGA-0 pos: middle-r model: Lenovo L2251x Wide serial: built: 2011 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 474x296mm (18.66x11.65") diag: 559mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD KAVERI (DRM 3.40.0 5.10.0-20-amd64 LLVM 11.0.1) direct-render: Yes Out of range is a not infrequent occurrence here, with 11 or so displays shared among 30+ computers. Reasons are many, including software that works the first time, then barfs until a restart of X, or the whole PC. Asus' BIOS aren't stellar performers either. Two of my FM2+ Asus motherboards from 2014 died over a year ago, leaving me with an AMD PRO A8-8650B on the shelf, and an AMD A10-7850K moved to an Asrock
Re: Out of Range Monitor Problim
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2023-06-29 06:55 (UTC-0400): > I have Bullseye currently installed on my main Linux platform. > When I logged in this morning I got an Out of Range 95.3 kHz/60 kHz error. What was the system stated immediately before trying? IOW, was it suspended, off, hibernated, asleep? It's hard to help much when you tell so little about your current system. Was your cat sleeping on it when you came to use it? Is it a laptop? How many displays are attached? What GPU(s)? Which DE or WM? Inxi -GSaz is a good way to provide needed system info, if you can get logged in successfully somehow, maybe by rebooting, or Ctrl-Alt-F3 then Alt-F7/F1 cycled a time or three, or cycling the display's power. Is your video cable loose? Ancient? Is your display ancient, or VGA (analog)? Is your display under warranty? Maybe it's hinting you'd be wise to upgrade to Bookworm, or shouldn't be tempted. How old is it? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/brand/yada*
bw composed on 2023-06-20 00:25 (UTC):
> in-reply-to=<11580298-c877-35c1-cf54-99e56af75...@earthlink.net>
>>> Is there something that can be done to avoid this screen and log
>>> litter?
> It's your machine, you could hack it out? possibly just #comment out and put
> a /bin/true under it? Don't blame me if it all goes wrong.
Machines, my machineS = lots of installations.
> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions
> 4322/23580 18%
> if grep -q "^$kmod_modname\\>" /proc/modules
> "${CONFDIR}/modules"; then
> echo "W: Possible missing firmware
> /lib/firmware/${firmware} for module
> fi
Mostly gibberish to this non-programmer. Comment out what, 3 lines? 1? 2? The
one
I'm looking at in Bookworm is 24057 bytes, not 23580.
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
Re: package managers problem
Andy Smith composed on 2023-06-21 21:07 (UTC): > You were using XFCE4 on Wayland under bullseye right? 2 for 3. https://www.linux.org/threads/xfce-wayland.43792/ says it could not have been on Wayland. The "wayland" that kept getting stuffed in his face was an entirely misleading error message from X refusing to start on account of a credentials and/or permissions failure. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: package managers problem
Gene Heskett composed on 2023-06-21 08:54 (UTC-0400): > I KNOW what mc can do, do you? Hopefully you are aware of how simple it can be to find and fix broken permissions in a corrupted homedir using https://paste.opensuse.org/bf6c16e7e2e6 (full window width pane). -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
