Re: INTEL HD Graphics
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Man_Without_Clue love.cha...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody know if Intel HD 4600 or higher is supported by Debian or distro? I have seen numerous postings about problems with Intel with Linux even with Ubuntu... Anybody using Intel on Debian? I don't know where you have seen these reports, but Intel drivers are certainly the best OSS ones around and likely better than either Nvidia or AMD closed drivers. (The exception being older Atoms with GMA500, which were actually PowerVR chips, and have terrible support. Or the truly ancient Intel vga controllers (Pentium 4 era)) I had an Intel GMA X3000 (Core 2 era), I now have Intel HD 4000 (Ivy Bridge), and they work wonderfully. Intel always introduces support for new graphics into the kernel and X/Mesa long before they become available, and they fund more X and Mesa development than just about anyone. As far as specifics, kernels since 3.12 at least should be in good condition for Haswell gpus (HD 4600) and Mesa support has been around since 9.2 So with Testing/Jessie on Mesa 10.3 and Kernel 3.16 everything should be great. Broadwell support took a little longer than usual to get really solid, but with those releases should be fine. Might still get performance improvements with newer... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9vpy+wx1t1begop0nl66bl1+gjm734knwzux4dm+o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Joey Hess is out?
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:19 PM, golinux goli...@riseup.net wrote: Joey Hess is leaving Debian. Anybody have a context? Anything to do with the systemd controversy and the monolithic direction Debian is going? https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00174.html I mean, with all the fighting that has been going on, I wouldn't be surprised if it had *something* to do with it. Joey seems to be all about systemd if you read his blog, so I am guessing it isn't about it being used, but about the whole process around it if anything. Personally I wonder what specifically he thinks makes the Debian Constitution a toxic document. Joey is one big reason I would like to be a DD someday... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-4ZtW1oxLqVLt=NYK8Quhq1aoEx6r=c75uxjkhbpw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: finding a dependency chain
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: I'm trying to figure out, for example, what causes brasero to ultimately depend on systemd. I found a utility called debtree, but it produces too much output to be of use to me -- it shows all dependency chains starting at brasero, but I am only interested in the one that ends at systemd. Can anybody suggest another utility, or maybe the proper syntax to make debtree do what I want? Thanks -Rob I just used vim to search through debtree's .dot output (for such a complex thing, way easier than trying to look at the image file), and then followed up by looking around in aptitude interactive mode. Looks like Brasero pulls in gvfs, which depends on gvfs-daemons, which depends on libsystemd-login0 and udisks2. Udisks2 depends on a couple systemd libs directly (but not the systemd package), and libpam-systemd. libpam-systemd depends on systemd. There is also a chain where gvfs-daemons recommends policykit-1-gnome, which depends on policykit-1, which depends on libpam-systemd, which as above depends on systemd This is in Sid, though, your mileage may vary. Huh, and from this I just found that in Experimental there is a new version of policykit-1 that depends on systemd directly and also... libmozjs??? That sounds odd... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9ppp72cwHMb4eabPc6qWsETLb3Af=tiau2bjw347g...@mail.gmail.com
Re: finding a dependency chain
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Tue 02 Sep 2014 at 14:21:06 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: Huh, and from this I just found that in Experimental there is a new version of policykit-1 that depends on systemd directly and also... libmozjs??? That sounds odd... The libmozjs dependency is probably because .rules files have replaced .pkla files. Ah, right you are, thanks! Found this: http://davidz25.blogspot.com/2012/06/authorization-rules-in-polkit.html Eh, I guess JS works... Lua might have been good too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_dqvgnmkprkyz4day-j8akjwqacu9trcswcqtq43g...@mail.gmail.com
Re: USB keyboard: what driver(s)?
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, I have a Bus 004 Device 002: ID 047b:0011 Silitek Corp. SK-1688U Keyboard that works perfectly. But not with the mondorescue DVD. So I need to find out what modules are needed for that keyboard to function. How do I do that? Thanks! when I do a 'lsusb -t' I see for that device: : Bus 04.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ohci-pci/6p, 12M |__ Port 3: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 1.5M So the modules needed are ohci-pci and usbhid. Is that right? I would think that is right. It is odd that such a normal keyboard should have issues. If the mondorescue dvd uses Xorg, you also need the X driver, normally evdev (and evdev in the kernel) You say it does not work, how so? Do numlock etc lights toggle? Do any other keys work? If it is graphical, can you get to the terminal and does it work there? Cheers, Kelly Clowers
Re: NAS hdd's in Debian desktop computer?
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Jon N jdnandr...@gmail.com wrote: snip Which leads to my questions. If the NAS drive is installed in a desktop computer running Debian Linux what is the result of this? Will this command just be ignored? Will the shorter time the drive spends trying to perform whatever operation it's having a problem with cause a problem if the OS does not have a way of dealing with this? How else will will this affect my system? In my online searches I have seen many results dealing with using desktop drives in NAS's, but nothing (so far) that addresses the issue the other way around. So any light you can shed on this will be gratefully appreciated. Both mdadm and a real HW RAID controller will kick a drive out of the array if it takes too long to respond. Mdadm is by default set higher than HW RAID, though. Either way, it just means less chance of a false positive drive failure. Cheers, Kelly
Re: top posting
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote: The usual objection to top posting is that it destroys the logical flow of the conversation (and no doubt someone will post a conversation in reverse order to illustrate the point). But I agree with you, and for years read my email in reverse chronological order precisely so that I could save time getting to the bottom line (at the top), so to speak. That said, this list's protocol requires inline or bottom posting (which I've just violated for obvious reasons), as is the case on most technical lists. Every one of the academic lists I have ever been on prefers (based on practice, at least) top posting. Go figure. Patrick On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To my mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would not want to scroll through messages that they have already read. I know that I don't. If they are commenting inline, that is fine, but I think that scrolling to the bottom of each and every message is more of a pain than if a respondent posts at the top of the message. And please forgive me for starting this. Thoughts?
Re: top posting
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote: The usual objection to top posting is that it destroys the logical flow of the conversation (and no doubt someone will post a conversation in reverse order to illustrate the point). snip On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To my mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would not want to scroll through messages that they have already read. I know that I don't. If they are commenting inline, that is fine, but I think that scrolling to the bottom of each and every message is more of a pain than if a respondent posts at the top of the message. And please forgive me for starting this. Thoughts? Excuse the other message, slip of the finger... The thing is, when bottom posting, you are supposed to trim out bits that don't matter to your response, and often you have inline comments as well, as you said. I prefer bottom posting, but I give up and top post in corporate environments, as it is just too much effort to fight the inevitable there. Likewise, there is little point fighting against bottom posting on a technical list such as this one, where most everyone prefers bottom posting. Especially since most everywhere else they get top posting pushed on them, probably making them cling harder to bottom posting where they can. Cheers, Kelly
MS Natural Up and Left mapped wrong
Hadn't upgraded my Sid box in a while, I did, and suddenly two of my directional keys are mapped wrong. Up gives me Backspace (Backspace key also works...), and Left gives me Alt GR from xev: KeyPress event, serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x141, root 0xaf, subw 0x0, time 3924411, (12,251), root:(973,271), state 0x0, keycode 111 (keysym 0xff08, BackSpace), same_screen YES, XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 22 XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (08) XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (08) XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x141, root 0xaf, subw 0x0, time 3924555, (12,251), root:(973,271), state 0x0, keycode 111 (keysym 0xff08, BackSpace), same_screen YES, XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 22 XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (08) XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x141, root 0xaf, subw 0x0, time 3925299, (12,251), root:(973,271), state 0x0, keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift), same_screen YES, XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 92 XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x141, root 0xaf, subw 0x0, time 3925475, (12,251), root:(973,271), state 0x80, keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift), same_screen YES, XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 92 XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False This is JP layout MS Natural 4000, here is my /etc/default/keyboard (has not changed) : XKBMODEL=microsoft7000 XKBLAYOUT=jp,us XKBVARIANT=OADG109A,intl XKBOPTIONS=grp:shift_toggle,ctrl:nocaps BACKSPACE=guess If I leave X for one of the VTs, everything works fine - which is odd, because console-setup and friends should (and did) make the config shared. Also seems like grp:shift_toggle is not working now... I am using Awesome WM, and I have Ibus running (Its settings look normal). Oh, and with num lock off, the numpad arrow keys are fine. Any ideas? Cheers, Kelly
Re: which program can reduce quality of mp3
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling j...@aenertia.netwrote: MP3 is notoriously bad for low Bitrate audio. Look at Opus and/or Speex encoding. On 12 September 2013 11:35, Long Wind longwind2...@gmail.com wrote: I use the command below: lame --mp3input --preset 30 input.mp3 output.mp3 Thank you! On 9/11/13, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Long Wind longwind2...@gmail.com wrote: the mp3 file is too big, 128kbps I want to reduce it to 40kbps Thanks! I use lame to reduce stereo mp3 files to mono; it (as one might expect) halves the filesize. Patrick Agreed. Opus will be vastly superior at such low bitrates
Re: Printer brand recommendations
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Beco r...@beco.cc wrote: Hi guys, Thank you all for your valuable information and help! I just bought a black-only EPSON M105 inkjet printer, with WIFI. It printed perfectly! No cables needed, no CDs, nothing. Just energy, and the WPS botton to connect to my router, find out the IP address, and added as socket://192.10.10.122:9100 Happy user now! :) Thanks again, Beco As one might expect of a system designed by vendors to make security easier, WPS is very flawed, and a security risk. http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Wi-Fi-Protected-Setup-made-easier-to-brute-force-Update-1401822.html http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/01/hands-on-hacking-wifi-protected-setup-with-reaver/
Re: Skype in sid?
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com wrote: I did follow that instructions and it worked for a while until a dist-upgrade some time ago. That is my problem. The libraries of Sid changed too often to keep the package 'skype' happy. I haven't had an issue with having Skype:386 installed in Sid, but its audio is currently completely broken on my system (no sound, or a continuous tone)... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9GZ+cODgiG+PcYOWv=_S=u7eejjggxoouqvfpnswj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dot files, get them out of the way
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM, ha hiei.arh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Ralph, I guess it would do it. But I didn't plan to separate the conf files completely, I was hoping for a solution more alike Wilko's (if it works). After all we all have .config file in our home directory. It makes sense that all applications write their conf files there, instead randomly all around home directory. I was hoping for a way to force that. I do not know if this is possible, nor how to do it. It's funny that /etc is so well organized, but noone cares to do the same with the conf files *for users*. ...or is it just me? I agree... once there where not so very many dotfiles in ~, so it was less of an issue. Anyway, I try to file wishlist/enhancement bugs on programs I use, asking them to follow (at least optionally) the XDG Base Directory Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html Hopefully as I get better at programming I can offer patches with my bugs as well. I am really happy with the spec; ~/.local/share, ~/.cache and ~/.config make sense to me, and the way the spec is written it is easy for a user to customize the locations (since they are env vars, not hardcoded). There is a little library as well to make things even easier (libxdg-basedir). Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9adqdnv+hgc-f2bbfqwp6eifxc1bant9gqqgcz1+w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Switching to 64 bit
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 6/28/2013 2:49 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: For now I will run regular 32-bit Sid..realizing I am wasting the opportunity to utilize more memory and perhaps faster operations. Your 32 bit PAE Sid kernel can address 64GB. Since your new machine will have less than 64GB RAM you're wasting no opportunity. Your only limitation is 2GB per process. How many of your apps consume more than 2GB of RAM? Can't speak for him of course, but my SeaMonkey is currently using 4.2 GB RES and 5.3 GB VIRT (probably north of 200 tabs) Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_ekugdoudpp6b9onec7ror-mjbydherwhp-o__qjc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Graphic card advice
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:37 AM, a...@alphanet.ch wrote: Hi, I am a debian user and I am looking to buy a new computer (I will build it). I simply wonder if it is better to take a graphic card with an ATI or a NVIDIA chipset. Can someone please give me an advice ? Are you going to play games, or program with OpenCL or similar? If not, I strongly recommend using Intel integrated graphics. If you are getting a new system it should be Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge (I don't think Haswell for desktop is widely available yet?) and the GPU in either of those is more than good enough for desktop use. Indeed they have no problem with games like Half Life 2 on highest settings (and I suspect much newer stuff as well - but HL2 is about the newest thing I have personal experience with, and frankly that is a lot of power...we just don't realize it sometimes now). Intel has wonderfully well supported Open Source drivers (no closed drivers at all). If you do need more power, I personally would go with AMD a generation back (OSS drivers). I am not willing to use closed drivers, both for ideology and for the hassle the create with kernel updates...others may disagree... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-7u8bxDqw__bWzis8POTOfCuEQXfgDzyVYrkKi=7z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: is there a debian utility for this?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Michael Anckaert michael.ancka...@sinax.be wrote: On 18/06/13 05:42, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, it may be a part of laytext, but we do not have that here on shellworld. Still I am wondering if there is a utility in debian that will convert the ms word .docx file format into anything else? antiword will not do this because technically .docx is not word so to speak. Antiword will not do it because it is a .doc converter, not a .docx converter. .docx is absolutly a Word document. for those who do not know Microsoft created the .docx format in word 2007, and almost nothing else can read them smiles. ideas? Unoconv While I'm not a fan of the OOXML format (official docx name), it's actually an improvement over the binary doc format. A .docx is actually a zip file containing HTML and CSS files. It is absolutely not (X)HTML, nor CSS (it is a zip file though). It is XML. You might be thinking of .epub ebook format... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9wsmih6desueb7e39r3vc3x9exuv2sileu9w5sasq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: What's the nick name?
Even as an atheist, I agree it is Wheezy ;-) On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Conrad Nelson y...@marupa.net wrote: On 06/17/2013 10:37 AM, Nikolas Kallis wrote: For God's sake, what is the nick name of my Debian? I am using Debian 7.0. For God's sake, it's Wheezy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51bf320e.6020...@marupa.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9fs+i4vepvbhvt0kmbeawtqmgl3o9oxcjvd9uac69...@mail.gmail.com
Re: cheap hw raid or raid software?
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Pol Hallen de...@fuckaround.org wrote: Hi folks! I've an old pc with Sil3114 hardware raid card. How is reliable this cheap hardware? What is better: use a raid software or a raid hardware with this card? Sil3114 is NOT hardware RAID. It is fakeRAID. Hardware RAID cards typically have relatively huge chips with heatsinks, battery-backed onboard ram, and cost $300+ new. Go ahead and use software raid instead. Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8kkn5sjha8carh16s8b8ftdiw+7oorsempdy_j0jt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Without SKYPE?
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Valaki Valahol ozolt...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello... Ok Stefan, but what do You suggest instead of skype ? Such a chat program that it has versions for all major operating systems ? (Linux, MacOS, Win) Use xmpp and it doesn't much matter which client you use. But Jitsi is a pretty good xmpp client (AV and even multiuser AV with the right server) and runs on those three (and soon Android) Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=87HYt=13uykayvzaeg_xxzkfwad4n3vo0mhhu0hnm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian 7 Wheezy Stable Relelased
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote: Patrick Bartek: Siard: I've got a Kobo Glo. When connected via USB, the 'Connect' interface immediately shows up, also with Linux. Looks like they did already fix it. I have the Touch model, purchased last year, and even with the latest software--updated yesterday to 2.5.1--it doesn't with Linux, but does with Windows and OSX. With Linux, the 'Connect' interface flashes for less than a second like it always has, then disappears. Even 'lsusb' from the command line doesn't list it. This is a known and persistent problem. Consider yourself fortunate that yours works. Yet, googling around, I haven't yet seen usb problems reported with the Kobo Touch and Linux. E.g., this is what I find at www.darkcoding.net/misc/kobo-ereader-touch-on-ubuntu-linux/ : It's a USB device. 1. Plug it in to your Ubuntu machine (or probably any modern Linux distro). It shows up as a USB storage device. 2. Drag and drop books in any supported format onto it. 3. Unplug, switch on, read books. It's that simple. If you had a solid-state MP3 player (before your phone played them), this will feel familiar. DRM ebooks will not work that way (unless you strip them of course), and the publishing industry has not yet followed the music industry on DRM And in my experience using direct file transfer or Calibre does not have good odds of showing up correctly in the Kobo. Not there or missing covers (even if they were there in Calibre). Maybe that is just when mixing DRM and non-DRM? I know the dir structure used natively by Kobo is totally screwy. The setup software is Win / Mac only, but you don't need it. When you start the device, it insists that you run the setup software. You don't have to. As far as I can tell, the setup does two things: * Forces you to create a kobobooks.com account. Lame. I buy most of my books from there, so it isn't lame. What is lame is how often sync and upgrades fails, especially (but far from exclusively) on Wine. But I have rarely had any issue with the simple mass storage aspect on Linux. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8vTNKd0ePk_yzbxfDX19W_jNQymbrKchbq=yj-u_k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian 7 Wheezy Stable Relelased
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: DRM ebooks will not work that way (unless you strip them of course), and the publishing industry has not yet followed the music industry on DRM Anyone who runs Wine can install Adobe Digital Editions, which will allow download of compatible files without the Kobo software. Also, the Debian version of the Kobo software runs fine on 32-bit, I have it installed on my AMD64 machine via multiarch. A recent .deb is available out there, it is available quite perfectly legitimately. I should post a link, but I don't have it available ATM. Googling about tangential topics will locate it, if a straightforward search fails to turn it up. No stripping of DRM necessary, so US users need not feel uncomfortable about this, although it is possible to do so if truly desired. I will refrain from instructing anyone on how to do *that*. Wow, I figured they where going to make a linux version, since it is in QT4, but I had never seen such a thing! http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82378page=14 http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82378page=22 I am not sure how I missed it, as it is quite old?! Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_-0zj-xyc8ue9u1l8g2cyyootl1bfrrmyoavzkvim...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Strange things going on in Sid
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:30:20 -0400 Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: After fixing a networking problem this morning, I attempted to update my Sid system. I am dumbfounded at the number of packages apt wants to remove, including things like gedit and rhythmbox ! I have always run a unstable system but never had anything like this before? What is going on here ? Bob has given a detailed answer, but yes, both Unstable and the new Testing are currently living in interesting times, and I do think the tsunami was a little higher this time than usual. I was given an unbootable kernel two days ago, and one of the dependencies for the headers didn't exist in sid. It does now, but I'll wait a while... I've done what I usually do in times of trouble and switched to Synaptic, which I find easier to use to maintain a working system and clear logjams. I'll go back to aptitude when the dust settles a bit. That is interesting. I always use Aptitude (in interactive/ncurses mode, mind you) and have never found a better way to manage my packages. I use Unstable+Experimental and at times have mixed in Ubuntu repos. I love flying through the dependency chains as fast as I can think, and jumping around with vi-style searching. I think the last time I tried Synaptic was probably at least four years ago, though. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9C0+0PCB7erbVVsH5X8GvmK3e0e3=Qt3_=nz9-exb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Without SKYPE?
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 05/02/2013 12:29 PM, Lars Nooden wrote: There are Blink, Linphone, Ekiga, Jitsi, and maybe a few others. Jitsi is quite useful. These are all SIP phones so they can all talk to each other, not locked into a single company like Skype. Regards, /Lars But can they talk to folks using SKYPE? Nobody but Skype can talk to Skype. xmpp however, can do everything needed, from chat to multiuser chat to video and audio chat. Using Jitsi's video bridge, you can even do multiperson video chat. There are also relays and failovers from xmpp to sip if needed. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-ygtybzwqnvzs--et0nbohhwtgsxo3juialnqyuj-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Without SKYPE?
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Thu 02 May 2013 at 15:13:51 -0400, staticsafe wrote: On 5/2/2013 15:10, Brian wrote: On Thu 02 May 2013 at 19:25:57 +0100, Nuno Magalhăes wrote: Since you didn't clarify what you mean by alternative to Skype, i'll go with XMPP. It is the OP who needs to clarify what he wants. My view is clear: there is no alternative to Skype in the software field. It reigns supreme. If you want to contact someone on the Skype network - use it, XNPP? Isn't that an instant messaging protocol? See Jingle [0], an extension over the XMPP protocol. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_%28protocol%29 I did. How does it allow someone not running the *Skype spoftware* to conect with the Skype network? It doesn't. It is not supposed to. As everyone has been saying, Skype is the only way to connect to Skype. But if you don't want Skype(TM), but rather simply want voice/video chat, that is where xmpp with jingle comes in. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_84xmbsxsx7wc6cx4cgvs+h4c0coqpgfk9kool2zr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Without SKYPE?
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Thu 02 May 2013 at 16:22:55 -0400, staticsafe wrote: On 5/2/2013 16:14, Brian wrote: On Thu 02 May 2013 at 15:28:08 -0400, staticsafe wrote: On 5/2/2013 15:24, Brian wrote: I did. How does it allow someone not running the *Skype spoftware* to conect with the Skype network? It doesn't. The Skype protocol is proprietary. Really! :) So XMPP isn't in the picture? Not if you want to talk to users on the Skype network. To reiterate: Only the official Skype client provided by Skype can be used to communicate with other Skype clients. XMPP is a separate protocol. We are in agreement. If you want to get in touch with somone on the Skype network then the Skype software has to be used somewhere along the line. As far as I can tell you are the only person in the thread that cares about that. OP does not seem to. He asked for a Skype alternative, which *could* read as something that talks to Skype, but is far from the most likely option in my mind. It sounds to me like he wants to do video and voice calls, which xmpp and sip can do just fine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-FH6eDZBu=6WWD-+m5NO8MF2=odoee8ol5dwtjywm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Planning for Disk Encryption
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: [Please don't top post] On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 08:35:27AM -0700, Steven Rosenberg wrote: Tighten up on your backups. I've been running encrypted partitions (and Umm, I've heard of the expression tighten up on your spending, To me tighten up/tighten down means pull together, make things ship-shape. It indicates improvement, whether that is up or down. Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_Fp_UKgrncOYYhhQ-D3=gB=44q38wzgsun1r0oxa9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Don't do that!
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote: Today I learnt this: Do NOT use ext4 for the /boot partition, where your kernel resides. I did this on my EEEPC to speed up boot, and today I got at boot the error message: initrd.img corrupt. My EEEPC has got an ssd inside and /usr, /home and /var are encrypted partitions. It took me hours and hours to fix this. First I tried ext2fs, with no success. I could run Trinity Rescue Kit from a sd card, and I created a chroot, but not all was possible to do in the chroot. After lots of tries I got the solution: 1. I backuped all the content of /boot to another drive. 2. Booted with a livefile and formatted /boot to ext2. 3. Restored /boot 4. Edited /etc/fstab, removed the UUID of /boot and removed disacard,noatime 5. Now I could boot again. 6. From the running system started update-initramfs -u 7. Did dpkg-reconfigure linux-base, so I got the UUID in all necessary config files again. 8. For making all sure. did update-grub 9. Finally test, rebooted again, everything was ok. So NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use ext4 for /boot! Don't do it! (If I would have read the manual, I should have known, ext4 and grub is still in experimental state) My /boot is just part of root, and it is ext4. Never had any issue. If I did have a separate /boot partition, I would use ext2 or 3 or 4 with out the journal, since it would eat up a bit of space on a small partition. But that is it. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_jTMpU1Xi=b2iV=QLX3AoyTC-fGoVPSZUh=gogyq4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: DBus isn't a problem per se, it just can cause issues, when implemented without thinking about the needs of all users? Right but it's actually much worse than that. Take mozilla firefox even which may or may not have been changed due to me bringing it up on the dev-security list. Without dbus in a chroot it would die, the reason was handling it's text configuration files, which is obviously rediculously pointless and I assume with some confidence, actually quite dumb. Are you sure about that? I have never seen anything dbus related in any version of Mozilla or Firefox, aside from one extension that never really when anywhere. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-3bnt0ofyokjo50amvjhx8vtgoaukq9dp5epkrnew...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:34:36 -0700 Kelly Clowers wrote: DBus isn't a problem per se, it just can cause issues, when implemented without thinking about the needs of all users? Right but it's actually much worse than that. Take mozilla firefox even which may or may not have been changed due to me bringing it up on the dev-security list. Without dbus in a chroot it would die, the reason was handling it's text configuration files, which is obviously rediculously pointless and I assume with some confidence, actually quite dumb. Are you sure about that? I have never seen anything dbus related in any version of Mozilla or Firefox, aside from one extension that never really when anywhere. It does as you can see from the output when running it in a chroot and for atleast one release it would die. (firefox:1515): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-jEHTNI62oh: Connection refused Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file Odd. Just looked at Dbus with SeaMonkey and Firefox running, nothing from them. Aurora channel, stock mozilla.org versions. Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_3xkcYta-xvUt_y5+O_W=pgucskxwhyb7nu+wle6f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian-6.0.7-amd64 how to set resolution and refresh for free NVIDIA X drivers?
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:27 PM, David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: I tried my hand at writing the simplest xorg.conf I could -- every time the screen turned black and I was effectively locked out. (Apparently, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace no longer kills X servers, nor does any of the other keystrokes I tried; nor could I switch to another console. You need Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection in xorg.conf. But if ctrl+alt+Fx did not change the console, it might not work either. I don't have or want sshd, so push the reset button...) Kind of silly thing to not want if you are testing things that make your system inaccessible from the console. Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_myerxrhckoqy54q_ejl4fei-evkqmyfhm7uzzci7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: dbus often is a PITA! Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as CORBA? No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if applications depend on dbus, such as jackd/jackdmp. I'm aware that I can use jackdmp without dbus, since I'm already doing this and I read that others are able to handle this dbus issue even when they run jack with dbus for sessions without X, IIUC. Oops, perhaps you mean that they were less good :D. I confused it with the word successor and noticed it after I sent the mail. Perhaps D-Bus is not good, but maybe it is less bad? I'll go on the record in favor of configurability: good to be able to opt out if you don't need it. ( /me doesn't know if he needs it or not. ) D-Bus is good overall... There could definitely be improvements in remote connections though. I think there are workarounds... I use only CLI over SSH, though, so I never messed with it. CORBA was just terrible. I have encountered it a bit in the old Gnome days, and on AIX with CDE. Believe me, you don't want to deal with its bullshit. And that is coming from a user/admin POV. From everything I have heard it was worse for a programmer. I have done some simple Dbus stuff in Python and such, it seems simple enough. I never want to have to program any Corba... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_kHdQj3_R0905GVac7wm=rcaredqoe9ytke0zior0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: * On 2013 08 Apr 03:24 -0500, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Please, continue at d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org only! Why? This list does not have an iron fisted moderator. This is for Debian user support. This is not a forum for FUD. Please take it elsewhere. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9vvxgpdx-0v_a_j7fad7ay45jsh1qvpjtggbwvxf4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: What's Up With Debian.org?
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: On Mon, 1 Apr 2013, Nick Falcone wrote: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 02:08:22 From: Nick Falcone falcone...@gmail.com To: Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: What's Up With Debian.org? Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 18:09:04 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org don't look now but it's april fools... On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: On Seg, 01 Abr 2013, Patrick Bartek wrote: Just went to www.debian.org and all the spelling is strange both on Chrome and Iceweasel like iz for is, and sistem instead of system, etc. This is only on the home page. Other pages look fine. Hint: What day is today? -- Say no, then negotiate. -- Helga Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br The problem is that the Debian web site appears to have been breached and thence compromised. Not really. The only group that would breach a website and then change it to lolspeak is Anonymous, but they have no motivation to attack Debian (it would not even be very Lulz-worthy), and they would certainly reference Anon, 4chan and or some 4chan meme as well as using lolspeak. No, it looks like exactly what it is: the legitimate admins when and changed the front page for some reason (in this case, April Fools). Plenty of other sites do as or more ridiculous stuff on this day. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=83Xb=m3sz0GOvQo8BGyo0=5PkpCyg5kh=5yvrzyv0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: USB keyboard glitch
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Paul Zimmerman aiwa...@yahoo.com wrote: A cheapie USB keyboard seems to cause a problem for the current kernel. It DOES work, and I am typing this message with it. But every time the system boots with this keyboard plugged into a USB port it takes an unusually long time sitting at the waiting for /dev to be fully populated line and then prints an error message: [ 12.661750] /build/buildd-linux-2.6_2.6.32-48squeeze1-i386-F95osd/linux-2.6-2.6.32/debian/build/source_i386_none/drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c: usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed Is there a way to figure out exactly what the chipset on the keyboard is, and maybe get this fixed? It's the Windows Media pro USB keyboard by Gearhead. Model# KB3600MPU. lsusb -v output for the keyboard is the starting place at least... That is all I know. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9R2-hcJAOfdb8NX8Zvyu5ZOTcSGvq=xU=2myq3yeh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Firefox is too eager
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2013-03-14 19:43 +0100, Joel Roth wrote: There are some recent behaviors that I find invasive: When I open a link in a new tab, I often get a new window as well, frequently to the same site, that I have to close. Some are windows from news sites, asking me to subscribe. When I roll over a link, it often pops up a window, small or large, that I have to close. I feel I am not in control (sort a Windows/Mac thing where the behavior is what the developer wants to give me) not what I specifically ask for. What are my alternatives to get a more user-driven experience? Is this all coming from Javascript? Quite possible, depending on the sites you visit. Sounds really unlikely to me. I think there is either corruption or possibly malware, if it was Windows I would absolutely say malware... Under preferences - content block pop-up windows should be checked by default, that should stop the majority. Try starting Firefox from the command line: firefox -ProfileManager You will get the profile manager window, please create a new one and see if you have similar issues. Turn off JavaScript. If that is too invasive, install the Adblock Plus and NoScript extensions. Ad-Block Plus and NoScript are always good ideas. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_+1FJoM3bkPb0rOsc=wtL3B0uw8B2QJJkGg=sb3t_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Chromium on Sid Very Slow
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:39 PM, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: This is supposed to be the fastest browser but not right now. Almost unusable. Rekonq and others do far better. What is slow? Page rendering? Tab/window opening? interacting with the page? Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_-Z4r+7aNaOng9doC6UwHN6dtHJx56P6W7uw=cbih...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Help diagnosing USB disk issue?
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Brian Flaherty b...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, I have two laptops: - Lenovo X201 running Debian unstable, kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 (also has 3.2.0-3-amd64 and 2.6.32-5-amd64) - Thinkpad X31 running an out-of-date Debian unstable, kernel 3.2.0-2-486 (haven't turned this one on in a while and consequently haven't updated packages) Also have a 600GB LaCie external hard disk. When I plug the disk's usb cable into the X201 (up-to-date), the laptop notices nothing. The disk does start doing stuff, but no acknowledgment in dmesg or lsusb. Plugged the disk in to a Mac machine, which recognized it. On the mac, I reformatted it to vfat. Plugged it into the X201, still no response on the computer. I plugged the same harddrive into my old X31 running the old kernel and it recognized it as /dev/sdb1. I ran badblocks (for hours) and it said everything was fine. I plugged it into the X201 and still nothing. A further troubleshooting attempt, I noticed that on the X31, uhci-hcd was in the list of loaded kernel modules. It wasn't on the X201. I modprobed it, but still nothing. I rebooted the X201 to an old kernel (2.6.32-5-amd64), but still nothing. Just to try again, I restarted X31, plugged in the harddrive and it was recognized right away. I noticed that the X31 list of modules had one called uas in the usb system. The module uas isn't in 3.2.0-4, but is in 3.2.0-3, so I rebooted the X201 into kernel 3.2.0-3, modprobed uas (and uhci-hcd, for good measure), but still not recognizing the disk. Last, all this time, the X201 was in a docking station. I removed it, rebooted and tried again, but still nothing from the X201 upon connecting the harddrive. Any thoughts on what the problem is or how I can diagnose it? Thanks for your time! Have you tried it on different ports? Do other USB devices (flash drives, keyboard/mouse, etc) work in the port(s) you are trying this disk on? What do you get from lsusb, both plugged in and not? Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_3ds78s1U=rKqfsScg6=drnvwv4-k9oo0xum4vu6x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: has your squeeze ever crashed?
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Long Wind wrote: linux is stable, or is it? flash player Linux is stable and flash player isn't Linux, flash player development for Linux already is dropped, there will be no future versions for Linux. If people want Microsoft/Apple, regarding to Apple flash player is a bad example ;), they should use Microsft/Apple. Linux is an OS for itself, not a Replacement-OS for other OS. It's a misconception. If you need flash player, then Linux isn't a good choice for your needs. That is not remotely true. I hate Flash, but I need it. Linux works great for my needs for many years now. Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_br8+e3ud6t4otohauwz2wzhyf4ovbmwntqhc3kfu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: has your squeeze ever crashed?
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati assir...@nonada.if.usp.br wrote: linux is stable, or is it? Absolutely stable and crashproof? No. Anyone who says that has no idea what he is talking about. You can compare Linux operating systems to other operating systems if you wish, though. my squeeze has just crashed it doesn't respond to key press two of three lights in up right corner of keyboard blink Squeeze is now more than 2 years old and in this period I installed and administered dozens of debian computers. I had the oportunity to see lots of crashes not caused by hardware failure, almost all of them related to video or wifi drivers, i.e. still related to hardware. I don't recall to find any purely algorithmic kernel crash or panic in the last few years. I suspect flash player in browser might be the cause the player is downloaded from adobe site and installed by myself besides I often see XID collision, trouble ahead though it rarely cause problem I don't think so. Flashplayer is a completely user space program and as such it could completely lock the system up only if there was a kernel bug. Some time ago (at least 9-12 months, I think) in Sid, I was getting regular lockups of Xorg from to Flash, or even just Mozilla itself. These do not generally lock up the system completely, but you either have to SSH in from another computer or use the power button (soft off or hard reset), as the X lock up prevented input from working (even ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-F1). A few times it managed to get the kernel, and I could not SSH or soft off. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8oUVTrSbHQf5kbGh+xbvQ=kd1nqsh6shp22gwyhmz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: has your squeeze ever crashed?
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: On 03/13/2013 10:53 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Long Wind wrote: linux is stable, or is it? flash player Linux is stable and flash player isn't Linux, flash player development for Linux already is dropped, there will be no future versions for Linux. If people want Microsoft/Apple, regarding to Apple flash player is a bad example ;), they should use Microsft/Apple. Linux is an OS for itself, not a Replacement-OS for other OS. It's a misconception. If you need flash player, then Linux isn't a good choice for your needs. I'm fairly certain Adobe is still developing Flash Player for Linux and has no plans to stop From https://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html : Linux Adobe has been working closely with Google to develop a single, modern API for hosting plug-ins within the browser. The PPAPI, code-named Pepper, aims to provide a layer between the plug-in and browser that abstracts away differences between browser and operating system implementations. You can find more information on the Pepper API at http://code.google.com/p/ppapi/. Because of this work, Adobe has been able to partner with Google in providing a Pepper implementation of Flash Player for all x86/64 platforms supported by the Google Chrome browser. Google now distributes this new Pepper-based Flash Player as part of Chrome on all platforms, including Linux. For Flash Player releases after 11.2, the Flash Player browser plug-in for Linux will only be available via the Pepper API as part of the Google Chrome browser distribution and will no longer be available as a direct download from Adobe. Adobe will continue to provide security updates to non-Pepper distributions of Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years from its release. Flash Player will continue to support browsers using non-Pepper plug-in APIs on platforms other than Linux. Adobe will not be providing a Pepper-based debug player implementation of the Flash Player browser plug-in on Linux. As of Adobe AIR 3, Adobe has discontinued support for Adobe AIR for Linux operating systems. Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_TOkUBtBCvFuaqOgDEx3LJZ6XLXjZDu=c+h39x+to...@mail.gmail.com
Re: has your squeeze ever crashed?
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: That's still a far cry from NO FLASH EVER FOR LINUX, which was the original assertion. Just no Flash outside of Chrome. No, it is exactly what we said. Adobe does not develop Flash for Linux anymore. Google does, but only for Chrome. As for Moz supporting Pepper: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729481 Pepper is basically part of Google's Native Client, and MoFo views it as an assault on traditional OpenWeb standards, and they will not support it. Further, the citation you gave doesn't say that Flash users outside of Chrome are cut off entirely, they just won't get NEW Flash. Apparently security updates are still a go. Maybe. Until they stop doing security updates for 11.2 They stopped *all* updates for 64 bit I know. Knowing the ingenuity of Linux users, hackers, and developers, someone will find a way to get this Pepper thing working on Firefox. Further, it's still not a big thing. Gnash, while certainly not up to par with Flash itself, is fine for most usage. Well, I personally have never gotten Gnash or Lightspark to work on Pandora or Youtube so it doesn't help me. Maybe for some it works. And another couple years will see HTML 5 supercede Flash anyway. Maybe, hopefully. For some things anyway. But Youtube HTML5 is still limited, and Pandora may not use flash for the UI anymore, but it still delivers the stream via Flash. And in general things are not moving too fast right now. As for AIR... I can't think of a single Linux app I use that actually deployed it, except maybe Hulu Desktop (Did that use AIR?) So is that even a loss? No loss Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_0S+My0KDGs=ornzux1rg2ofv3frf+fuu2lgkeug5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Rooting an Android Tablet on Debian
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Charles Kroeger ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote: I got a Kobo Arc that runs Android 4.0.4 and would like to become su for this device. There are paid services but I don't like the sound of them and they're expensive. Since Android is Debian several times removed, I was wondering if anyone here had a script that might help? I use Calibre with the Arc for moving books around but Calibre is useless with the Adobe DRM menace and most of my books require this. As David said, XDA Developers is the place to go for Android. Android uses the Linux Kernel, but that is about it. It is not really anymore closely related to Debian than to Fedora or Slackware. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9mdrmxam7bk2wnvxhldctsrvjledom3glrosa38dx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: -- SPAM --Re: Rooting an Android Tablet on Debian
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 06:14:19PM +0200, David Baron wrote: On Monday 11 March 2013 00:27:39 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: (Charles Kroeger, Sun Mar 10 20:57:18 2013) I got a Kobo Arc that runs Android 4.0.4 and would like to become su for this device. There are paid services but I don't like the sound of them and they're expensive. Since Android is Debian several times removed, I was wondering if anyone here had a script that might help? I use Calibre with the Arc for moving books around but Calibre is useless with the Adobe DRM menace and most of my books require this. Go to xda.com and seek there! Have you actually looked at this site and followed one of the links marked root? It takes you to a list of horticultural sites. Should be xda-developers.com or google xda developers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=915CdZVZ5pjac=ony34gc4et21eganek1unrnxuqh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Installation iso on a CD or flash drive as desired. ( target iso size is ~100MB, smaller if possible) AFAIK Debian CD#1 is the smallest fully standalone install supported. But at the time that you are committed to booting from cdrom then might as well commit to a fully populated cdrom. In for a penny, in for a pound. I am sure there are contributed installation media that are smaller and standalone. Anyone could put in the effort to create one. Tom H poked me that the netinst image can be used without a network. It is 168M and much smaller than the full CD#1. I just did an install test using it in Expert mode and was able to verify that it is indeed possible to use the smaller netinst image on a system without a network. Using Expert mode and manual selections it was possible to install and avoid seeing any errors. That is how I always install, I never install more packages than what is on the netinst cd till after a reboot I guess I figured everyone knew. Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8tdydnfkyq6unuekvk9dlxibb5ypapp_2wtdi-dgy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net wrote: the seamonkey package may be what you're looking for. It combines firefox with thunderbird in a single package and uses less system resources. It also doesn't update constantly either. Technically, it does not combine them; rather FF and TB split Mozilla (SeaMonkey) apart. Mozilla Alpha/Beta/Nightly user since ~2001 Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8f546a1ztswxmfwdhf6krfoet9zcb++uoqrvguu4x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: encrypt connection pc to proxy server
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 10:53:55AM +0100, oxy wrote: Hi guys, you could set up an encrypted VPN between yourself and it, or actually, i 1st thought only about http(s) browsing. I assumed you had a proxy somewhere, to which you were connecting. PS: by secure i meant not readable browsing history from my ISP. OK. In that case, consider running Tor. He said not too slow... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8kvbttghhjjvbvkpazxvoqu5b7uxwykbtu6ub2wxb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: compress files
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:24 AM, tsit...@linuxmail.org wrote:
hello fellas. i was looking for a way to compress files (.wav) older than 30
days.
i created a small script to do the job.
#!/bin.bash
FILES=`find . -mtime -30 | xargs`
tar --no-recursion -czf backup_feb_2013.tgz ${FILES}
rm -rf ${FILES}
the compressed files have the following format
g303-20130205-060552-1360037152.419.wav
i am stuck on how to edit the script so it will automatically create the
month of the backup. Now the naming is manual.
Date issues aside, I suggest compressing the .wav files with an audio
codec. If you don't want to loose any information to a lossy codec,
try FLAC. It is lossless like gzip, but it should give somewhat better
compression than a non-audio-specific compressor. And of course
something like vorbis on q4-q6 will give very good sound and give much
smaller size, if you don't mind lossy.
Cheers,
Kelly Clowers
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Re: Firefox under Squeeze
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Klaus Jantzen k.d.jant...@t-online.de wrote: Hello, after having successfully solved the various library problems I get the following message when trying to install firefox 18 under Squeeze (Debian 6.0.6) XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /root/firefox/libxpcom.so: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Couldn't load XPCOM. That is strange as 'libuxl.so' was extracted from the installation tar and is in the directory. Strange, installing the the tarball version of FF is dead simple. 1) untar it to the directory you want (I use /usr/local/lib/firefox) 2) optionally make a symlink to the firefox executable in the install dir to firefox in /usr/local/bin or so, to be able to call it without the path. /root/firefox isn't a good place for it, but it should work (as long as you have permissions...) Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_lrondiejk7tnttaooazjwjh0nq1jaw7+bz8gnvxq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: why my simple ? hasn't get answered?
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 02:33 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: Linux consumer audio :D. I wonder what's the cause for Device or resource busy. It isn't. Linux pro-audio is easier to use. Nah, alsa just sucks by itself. That type of thing is why I use PA. Anyway, that doesn't have anything to do with the mms stream. Works fine on my system...if you can call that music fine. Even if alsa is blocking, you could test wth stream with -ao pcm then it would dump to the file audiodump.wav Still nothing to hear and no signal to see when watching the hdspmixer meters. However, it's not important for me. I just tried to learn something more about entertainment software. Does it use hw:0 by default? Oops, let me put this back on this list. Didn't check the address... You mean does -ao pcm use hw:0? No, it should not touch the sound card. It should only dump to a file. I am not sure if the same is true for the --dumpaudio option (which is what I usually use to create a file from a stream). That may dump to a file and touch the sound card (and thus fail if the card is held open). $ hdspmixer Card 0: RME AIO S/N 0x579bcc at 0xfddf, irq 18 Card 1: USB Device 0x170b:0x11 at usb-:00:13.0-1, full speed Card 2: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbf00, irq 20 Card 3: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbb00, irq 21 Oh, wow, that is some fancy audio. With stuff like that, do you usually just run JACK? $ mplayer -ao pcm 'mms://a937.l211056936.c2110.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/937/2110/v0001/reflector:56936' [snip] ASF file format detected. [asfheader] Audio stream found, -aid 1 Clip info: title: GLOBAL LIVE ** LIVE ** B author: Voice of America copyright: Public Domain == Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders libavcodec version 53.35.0 (external) Mismatching header version 53.32.2 AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 32.0 kbit/2.27% (ratio: 3998-176400) Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2] afm: ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (FFmpeg)) == [AO PCM] File: audiodump.wav (WAVE) PCM: Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le [AO PCM] Info: Faster dumping is achieved with -benchmark -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:fast [AO PCM] Info: To write WAVE files use -ao pcm:waveheader (default). AO: [pcm] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Video: no video Starting playback... A:4147409.2 (1152:03:29.2) of 0.0 (unknown) 0.4% 2% Cache empty, consider increasing -cache and/or -cache-min. [performance issue] [snip] A:4147445.2 (1152:04:05.2) of 0.0 (unknown) 93.5% 0% Cache empty, consider increasing -cache and/or -cache-min. [performance issue] MPlayer interrupted by signal 2 in module: decode_audio MPlayer interrupted by signal 2 in module: enable_cache nop_streaming_read error : Interrupted system call Error while reading network stream. Stream not seekable! A:4147445.5 (1152:04:05.6) of 0.0 (unknown) 95.1% 0% Exiting... (Quit) So for you the stream is failing, if not quite immediately. It gets the header at least... You could try increasing the -cache as it says. Not sure what else. My mplayer is mplayer2 from sid, btw Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=852wrzrjjhojpr4dqowsfkj5bvxltdvmdpgzutcrj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: why my simple ? hasn't get answered?
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Long Wind longwind2...@gmail.com wrote: I am really surprised to find so many help in such a short time. Thanks to all those who reply! I install gxmms2 and abraca They don't work as I expect I am still unable to play a file, attached in this mail Maybe I should read xmms2 manual I would try: https://xmms2.org/wiki/Using_the_application and also look at https://xmms2.org/wiki/FAQ#Troubleshooting Try the cli client first, if you can get it working, then worry about the gui clients. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9YSemF4uveVPSU7JMj0q=mmhst-1nvr31h-6grvht...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Firefox Iceweasel
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:33 AM, അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ്. akhilkrishn...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway to run it as two sessions? ie. both simultaneously. Please do not top post, it breaks the flow of the thread, and is contrary to list conventions. You can run both at the same time if you use separate profiles. Launch it like so: firefox -ProfileManager -No-Remote and iceweasel -ProfileManager -No-Remote You can also do firefox -P profile name -no-remote to launch a profile directly. (-no-remote keeps the command from connecting to any already running sessions) You will get the profile manager and you can make a second profile for the other browser. If you want to have them match up in bookmarks and so forth, you could use Firefox Sync. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9vtuhou3nrgsrk2oofyewmdoptk5okv0mdgah+g4e...@mail.gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: So PulseAudio continues to be buggy to the point of infuriation. Developers, after years of work, have signally failed to fix it. Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? Esound is (mostly?) unmaintained for a long time AFAIK. Anyway, it was far buggier than PA ever was. Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. Cheers, Kelly Clowers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-20-Bj=4-Sk6NQjoWWWypY5O+so=omjojhjotey20...@mail.gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. I think you are speaking about OSS here, not about alsa. Alsa is able to play more than one soud/music at a time without problem: I can perfectly play wesnoth with sound+music and have mpd running background. (of course, I usually disable wesnoth's music, but not it's sounds) Nope, I am talking about ALSA. ALSA can only play more than one source at a time with its dmix utility (ALSA itself is fundamentally unable to do mixing) , but I have never, ever seen dmix work at all. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM�5_1CG_C7MUJM=3suuiLXuoiPhf871OxrwEsCGAL=f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:36:34AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. I think you are speaking about OSS here, not about alsa. Alsa is able to play more than one soud/music at a time without problem: I can perfectly play wesnoth with sound+music and have mpd running background. (of course, I usually disable wesnoth's music, but not it's sounds) Nope, I am talking about ALSA. ALSA can only play more than one source at a time with its dmix utility (ALSA itself is fundamentally unable to do mixing) , but I have never, ever seen dmix work at all. Actually, that depends on the hardware. If your hardware can do hardware mixing (I know of at least one SoundBlaster that can, but I can't remember which model at the moment), then you can play simultaneous streams. But for most cards, you have to rely on software mixing (dmix, pulse, jack etc). Ah, you a right, I had forgotten. But most consumer cards don't (Xonar don't, for example...higher end Creatives do, but I personally wouldn't go Creative for that), and I don't know if any onboard chips do. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_4GhZ63YivSQ47Lpx7Q5KKkGMG+�bxyrbgw6luy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Starting Iceweasel drjom the command line
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD erosenb...@hygeiabiomedical.com wrote: Dear List - How do I start Iceweasel: 1]from the command line, 2] in full screen, 3] with a specific program. The exe command in the Desktop is: iceweasel %u I do not think that there is a command line option for full screen. It should launch in the last state it was in... You can set a specific window size though with -width $pixles and -height $pixels By with a specific program, what do you mean? You mean start up with a certain web page? I usually use something like iceweasel -No-Remote www.example.com http://kb.mozillazine.org/Command_line_arguments Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9wq93i+v7_hOqdpCi-BY0feY3iCO4iVH-oCW4PUc=t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: My ThinkPad T61's onboard 82801H Intel HD audio mixes audio perfectly out of the box (I'm using raw ALSA). Really? For sure no dmix - it is supposed to be out of the box nowadays? I guess that is what I get for not having fully tested out my T61 yet. Huh, hard to tell for sure but looks like the ALC883 does have hardware mixing and multiple DACs. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_z7gwr3qrbpa+knvabdpwllibbdcd8nsptp9jlrdk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Steam on Debian
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten the native Steam client running well in Debian? I had it running briefly through a great deal of manual labor, but I changed my configurations several times, and now I am prohibited from installing the Ubuntu .deb because of dependency issues (that involve binary incompatibility). Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? It should be pretty easy now, if you have Sid. You need the new glibc from experimental. Then open of the newest Steam .deb and edit the control file to get rid of Ubuntu's epoch of 1 on PulseAudio. Repack, install, run Steam once to update, and then run it. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=88md9k4ho0_R7K9-wfDYswX9nMrekpTT=eD_30PY8W=q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 32-bit to 64-bit
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: There are two problems with that: - Not all packages have been multiarchified, including some important packages with many reverse dependencies like perl and python. Crossgrading those will leave you with many broken packages, at least temporarily. Cross your fingers that apt will show a way out. - Apt does not properly support crossgrades, for a package foo which is not Multi-Arch: same it treats foo:i386 and foo:amd64 as two different, conflicting packages. This means that it will remove foo:i386 before installing foo:amd64 which obviously does not work for Essential packages, so you have to crossgrade those with dpkg alone. This is quite a hassle since you have to install all necessary libraries beforehand. I have crossgraded some packages in i386 chroots that way, but in the current state of affairs I would definitely _not_ dare to try a full crossgrade on my main system with almost 2000 installed packages. I bet it is doable. I wish I had a 32 bit system to try it on, I love doing crazy things with the package manager, like when I combined significant parts of Ubuntu (X and GTK) into my Debian install, and later transitioned back to pure Debian. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_v_aSH_Nf5z=8bt0qn1cceman0xl9tr872y2w3efd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 32-bit to 64-bit
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: The third bit is the hard part. I am wondering if I should go from lucid to precise first, or do the 32/64-bit trick first. Or is there a way to do both at once? If I package it into a virtual machine instance, first, then I can snapshot along the way. I can revert the snapshot if I screw it up, and start over. Also, I can then deploy the newly refurbished system as a student virtual machine. I want to go back to native-on-bare-metal, there are ways to do that, too. The scenario is relevant for Debian-User because I want to do something similar with other (Debian) machines and because this is a learning experience for me, and others reading this list might gain something useful as well. I would definitely upgrade first, then try to change arch. Does Lucid even have multiarch? Anyway, even if it did, it would be better in Precise. And don't try both at once! In fact break into as many pieces as possible, I would say. And don't try to rely on the apt/aptitude auto-solver. I would just use aptitude in interactive mode and manually resolve issues. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-clxhii9gv4z_eupj9glfem_pn62ox7deld76ut_x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Talking to my cable modem
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: I recently purchased and began using a cable modem - the Zyxel (Hitron) BRG-35503: http://www.hitrontech.com/en/cable_detail.php?id=3 It (so far) Just Works (I plugged into my router running OpenWRT, the router gets an IP address (via DHCP), and we have net connectivity), but I'd like to hack into the device, to play with it, find any tunables and settings, and just understand it better. The public interface of the router gets an IP address from my ISP's address space, and that's the IP address that outbound connections are initiated from. Tracerouting out shows the first hop as a private IP address on my LAN (192.168.0.1), and the next hop is an address in my ISP's space (specifically, the address the router is getting assigned but with the last quad replaced with '1'). The thing comes with no manual or disk, just a quickstart guide, containing nothing beyond very basic quickstart instructions. I have no idea if this thing even has a web interface - I can't find one on any of the addresses I've tried. I've tried portscanning with nmap, pointing it at the address of the first hop, and I get no open ports, and the only closed one is 179/bgp; I'm guessing this is my ISP's edge router. Am I correct in assuming that my modem has no IP address, and is operating in bridge mode? Any idea how I can access it? The thing's datasheet claims that it has extensive SNMP management support, but I have never used snmp and I have no idea what to do with it. Huh, I dunno. I am used to Moto Surfboards, they all seem to use 192.168.100.1 Actually, I think that might be semi-standard, at least try it. If it has snmp, you could look for that with, say, nmap (assuming it is enabled) http://serverfault.com/questions/415521/how-to-find-all-the-snmp-enabled-devices-in-my-network Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8G43jev_GFtbnW1kjbbnpJj8DXFAog-6OBeVns6=p=e...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Talking to my cable modem
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: Huh, look at that - it has a web interface at that address. How on earth I was supposed to figure that out is beyond me, but thanks a million! [I'm used to routers, which in my experience generally use 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1] It seems to show a lot of information, but I see almost nothing in the way of settings. I suppose that if it really has no router functionality, and just acts as a simple bridge, there isn't much to tune? Yeah, it seems they don't want people to know. Glad it worked, though! Pretty sure one reason they use .100.1 is to avoid stepping on the toes of home routers, since they are often used together. As far as settings, I think you have to hack it a bit to do that, if it is possible at all. It is on some Motos, I know... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-uA2kWTgz6PeR7=uqkgz_+1komd2_kqpe4dbvroyh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: a tool to have specific images on X root window
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: feh is not able to draw stuff on root window, as far as I know? I'm already using it as my viewer, and I like it, and have not found anything related to such feature. feh --bg-scale /path/to/image.file feh --bg-center /path/to/image.file I believe Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8z6dqhjpgoszoplu-bfjrsope81wfaemdgvshb-mu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Yast for debian
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Davide Mirtillo dav...@ser-tec.org wrote: Il 17/12/2012 12:57, Muhammad Yousuf Khan ha scritto: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian? For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you explain the particular features you are looking for? SUSE administration tool. instead of x server, admins can use a pseudo-graphical user interface to manage the server. for more details please read. https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE_114/opensuse-reference/cha.yast.text.html What about aptitude? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(software) Aptitude is nice, but it only does one fraction of what YAST does. I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides installation/removal of software, it does at least account management, service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall configuration. It a bit like Webmin or AIX's SMIT (YAST has a TUI mode and a GUI mode like SMIT/SMITTY; no web interface). I do not know of anything like it in Debian since webmin was removed. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=82tfq-sbesemwcibhymtr8jk-utht8sqb5hs-js85...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Yast for debian
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: --Dave writes: I have to find myself asking the question, Why on Earth would the maintainers not keep such a valuable package available? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=unstable;package=webmin And specifically http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343897 So it was yanked from unstable at the beginning of 2006 and then propagated down normally, with Etch (2007) releasing without it. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-0luv+c-zy3hpcyjfeomwdxhg8kqhhqlw0bpueosc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Yast for debian
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/17/2012 08:03 AM, Kelly Clowers wrote: I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides installation/removal of software, it does at least account management, service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall configuration. It a bit like Webmin or AIX's SMIT (YAST has a TUI mode and a GUI mode like SMIT/SMITTY; no web interface). What about Web YaST? http://webyast.github.com/webyast/ Never heard of it before. Looks like a separate piece of software though, not part of YAST. Thanks for the info though. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-vrn-=vF+wob60ZDX-pOk4uGHbAVWgynS1=5pk_eg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Good quality hair dryer needed for Squeeze
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Mark Panen mark.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am replying to all, not used to sitting in the dark with the light of the notebook to type only, Out here in the sticks there are always power failures when it rains. I normally use pop, not used to gmail., the mobo is two years old a midrange board with SATA 6 and USB 3.0, an ASUS, I also thought it was the Ocean air and humidity but my other ASUS mobo has no hassles. I have enough lightining protection to protect I dpn't know what and always unplug before storm, I think I was naughty when I fist received the board and overclocked it from 2.8 to 3.8 even though the temps where fine ans I have a fantastic Zalman aftercooler. devede ran quite stable a sdid prime sorry for the s[peeling my UPS is about to go flat Well, that was rather rambling, but to me is sounds like there is a fault in your motherboard. My guess is the heat from your hairdryer (how did you figure that out anyway?!) either dries out some bit that overly sensitive to moisture, or causes thermal expansion of some part that does not make enough contact otherwise... although in the second case, it should be more about ambient temperature, not about if there was a rain storm. Two years old, huh? So the warranty is.probably well over. I would say just get a new Mobo. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=90zieyz5nxcrpzoo5qtfenqsxsnoe1jatptfmdnnb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Good quality hair dryer needed for Squeeze
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Gary Roach gary719_li...@verizon.net wrote: The first thing I would do is run a post check on the motherboard. If you are lucky your board has a built in post card Uh, what? I would not call that luck, I would call that I paid big money for real server-class equipment. I have never seen a post board come with consumer-class equipment.Maybe nowadays the really high-end enthusiast space has such things? Anyway, why do you need one? If the POST is coming up with anything it will beep a post code. Sure, it is more annoying to decipher than looking at a display, but you don't have to buy anything... And anyway it sounds like this MB never gets to post. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8ACvFCYAhG2Nj+o90Cd5=sw9ccvgmysj5ftxmyt4m...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian ISO file
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Akhil Krishnan S akhilkrishn...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 Dec 2012 23:13, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 08 December 2012 17:33:13 Akhil Krishnan S wrote: Sorry. I cant find a single file as an ISO like i can download from www.ubuntu.com/download or www.linuxmint.com/download.php Please figure out me one such link. Sorry if i'm mistaken You have been given a Debian link. But a Debian link is not going to give you Ubuntu or Linux Mint. If you want Ubuntu or Linux Mint then that is where you need to go. Lisi, Please read my previous mail. and understand what im asking for If you can't figure out a link for yourself, what are you going to do with it once you find it? I dont want to explain it you. If you are not interested in helping me. Please be SHUT UP and allow other to. Please remember that this mailing list have got you as dowry. Your last sentence makes no sense what so ever. Anyway, you will in fact have to explain yourself to someone here if you want help, as you have been given two links, but inexplicably claim you cannot find an iso. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8-wzzv2lfg2ikfyttwtgp_-moduwvw877zg1tnf+d...@mail.gmail.com
Re: USB 3 card
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Nelson Green nelsongree...@hotmail.com wrote: I need to install a USB3 card in a Dell Precision, running a stock Squeeze install. Any that I should avoid, or issues I should be aware of? I see there are some hits on the list, but most appear to be in Spanish and I am far too rusty in that language to properly comprehend their content. I received no responses to this question (not complaining, just mentioning), but I have some experience to pass along in case anyone else is interested. Naturally I purchased a card that did not work. It was the PPA International USB 3.0 SuperSpeed PCI-Express Card 2 Port. Unfortunately I am unable to tell anyone which chipset it incorporates, but will try to get it back to find out. When it did not work, a colleague offered to try it in his windows box, since the card came with a windows driver. It worked for him, and we swapped his card out. His works for me. It was a no-name brand, but it uses the NEC chipset, and seems to be working just fine here. What is the pci id (lspci -vn or for Windows: http://www.vm-help.com/esx/esx3i/find_PCI_ID.php), for both cards? Thanks, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-NdeQATcHDimp=g6ymfqxzdumt9ehodfmd-hmdtr5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Quest: Moving IDE drives between machines
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Dennis Wicks w...@mgssub.com wrote: Greetings: One of my Linux machines has crashed and root drive or IDE controller is bad. Can I unplug an IDE drive and plug it into another machine? I have a vague recollection that this caused problems back when I was running MS/DOS, but not sure. Is it OK today? If you want to boot from it and it is in a different position (ports, or master/slave with IDE), it takes a little effort to get it working. If it is in the same position, or you do not need to boot from it, there is no issue. Well, ok, if you where booting from it and had compiled a custom kernel with minimal drivers there could be an issue. Or if you are trying to boot on a different architecture (x86 vs sparc or something). But those are very unusual types of things. Now, Windows still has some issues with that (if booting), due to the the NT HAL...but even there it should* be possible as long as stay on the same brand (Intel/AMD) on relatively modern systems (say, x86-64 era) * I have not tested this. Not responsible if it lets the magic smoke out of your computer :-) Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8fOgF6haE_3=esu3m5kk5hhw4ramyg-_atvs-hn3+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Quest: Moving IDE drives between machines
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:06:51 -0800 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Dennis Wicks w...@mgssub.com wrote: Greetings: One of my Linux machines has crashed and root drive or IDE controller is bad. Can I unplug an IDE drive and plug it into another machine? I have a vague recollection that this caused problems back when I was running MS/DOS, but not sure. Is it OK today? snip Now, Windows still has some issues with that (if booting), due to the the NT HAL...but even there it should* be possible as long as stay on the same brand (Intel/AMD) on relatively modern systems (say, x86-64 era) * I have not tested this. Not responsible if it lets the magic smoke out of your computer :-) Not for some time. Many years ago, I had a triple-boot Windows machine, and moved the drives into new hardware: NT4.0 complained of a non-working network card, fixed by a new driver. Apart from that, it didn't even notice that it had a new home. Win98 asked for its CD and rebooted about a dozen times, but eventually staggered to its feet and ran reliably. XP got reinstalled. Nothing at all could I do to get it running again. It was a retail version, there was no license issue, it had just committed itself so thoroughly to the initial hardware that it would not boot at all. I'd guess that nothing since XP will boot into new hardware. It does take a bit of effort to design a boot process that will check for new hardware and still manage to boot into wherever it finds itself. Once Microsoft had committed to requiring reactivation if more than very small hardware changes had been made, presumably it made no sense to continue this effort. I don't know about 7 (or vista), but I have seen it work on XP, actually. And I have seen it not work, due to APIC vs PIC HALs, and I have repaired it. Manual HAL surgery is more trouble than reinstalling as I remember it, but it can be done, if you want to for some reason. SysPrep can take care of it also, when cloning... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8Ohk1jVi0debTui8uWGBs=AZqHC_jP4+P=lfl21i7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hi :) my apologies for cross-posting this to several Linux mailing lists. I need a boot loader for Linux, that is comfortable to use for my needs, a Linux multi-boot with trillions of Linux installs, trillions ^ 2 kernels and (trillions ^ 2) * 1024 entries with different boot options, so something as GRUB 2 is unusable for my needs. Why is Grub unsuitable? On a FreeBSD mailing list somebody wrote: You might want to try a chainloader boot from grub. The following is a chainloader rule that I have used, as well as a normal loader boot. I use the loader boot, but I also tested the chainloader boot. You will need a ufs2_stage1_5 file in your grub directory for a loader boot, and linux grub might not have it available. title FreeBSD, sda3 (oak) chainloader root(hd1,2) chainloader +1 boot title FreeBSD, sda3 (oak) /boot/loader root(hd1,2,a) kernel /boot/loader boot Yes, ufs2_stage1_5 is missing, so when I tested #title FreeBSD #root (hd0,a) #kernel /boot/loader title FreeBSD rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 boot there was no error, but nothing happened, without the chainloader an error 17, cannot mount selected partition appeared. Maybe needs the BSD slice listed? or maybe needs insmod ufs2? And probably should be set root= instead of rootnoverify http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=5918 Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_SEaFwC4BZaBf0d_Kj6cO2MtwLampU0fm02Nnrb=w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Beco r...@beco.cc wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote: People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll have the time :D You should go really left-field and try rc! (but not for /bin/sh.) Never heard of it. What is rc? I do believe it is the shell from Plan 9 Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_HcXn-jCEKZS=xDrLrjKQYiEEOu�okX6hz5_=aO=t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as MacOS is built on the BSD kernel. Are there any phones or tablets people are aware of that use actual, FOSS, Linux as their OS? I still use the Nokia N900 with Maemo. Has its issues, but all in all a great phone. I am hoping that Jolla will produce something really nice. Though they just reveled the UI and it looks like an iOS/Android clone, while I want proper window/app management like Hildon/Matchbox. Still, others might like that, and if the hardware is good it should be possible to replace the UI, since it uses X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8ozngu1zzb60o_ypco61oaffzuctdk4dyjm4dyjuh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Swap partition vs swap file
Pretty sure the partition is far more common. The file version is there if you need it, but hopefully you don't. Having the pages sit in a file on top of a filesystem just adds some extra layers, probably decreases performance a bit, AFAIK On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM, David Guntner dav...@akamail.net wrote: Hi all, While still trying to figure out why Thunderbird isn't working so well with Dovecot, I figured I'd move onto another mystery; thought I'd seek out some opinions here. :-) When setting up Linux systems, I've always set up a separate swap partition. I was reading a few days ago that apparently there's a nifty way to do like Windows does (that alone should probably be good enough reason to *not* do it... :-) ) and set up a swap *file* instead. So, anyone? Pros cons? Is there any reason to prefer one over the other? One thing to know about up front - my new Debian setup is on my home server. It runs 24/7 and I *never* suspend/hibernate it. So since it never has to resume from a swap partition, that particular item is moot. :-) So, what is the common best practice (more-or-less) consensus on the subject these days? --Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8+c2iht4ij9nchJS5nW-KozvJhomogqyk=imc8tuz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sid is not for newbies.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: The trouble is that testing is very variable: pretty good from freeze onwards, terrible immediately after freeze, etc. - not consistent. Neither is Sid, it does the same thing. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_M=ednhgrj_hr_3weazk4eh-r-eedje4rawctonk3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: vim
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: * On 2012 16 Nov 14:02 -0600, james gray wrote: i am using vim to add the one and only name in a usr account to the groups file for printing. I would use, as super user: # usermod -Ga lp username Or vigr. Definitely not plain vi/vim Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_8xc7X+MknN=ke-jzgztulrt9m8-jhvc_istd8ghu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: [Disclaimer: I only run a mail server for mainly personal use. I have less than ten users on that system but the configuration is comparable to that of the ISPMail howto]. Muhammad Yousuf Khan: i am working in a small company 30 to 50 users, so which one is more suitable for me a mailbox storage in a folder or database by keeping in mind stability? I don't think there are many people (or organisations) that keep their e-mails in relational databases. Sure, mail servers like Exchange (or Dovecot) may have their own on-disk-format for mailboxes instead of plain maildirs or mboxes. But they don't use MySQL (or Postgres, for that matter). Exchange may not use MS SQL Server, but it does use a database, namely Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) aka JET Blue (not the same code as JET Red, which was the old Access engine). MS looked at moving Exchange to SQL Server, but decided not to. AFAIK, Exchange is the only major mail server to do this. Cheers, Kelly Clowers
Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.dewrote: [Disclaimer: I only run a mail server for mainly personal use. I have less than ten users on that system but the configuration is comparable to that of the ISPMail howto]. Muhammad Yousuf Khan: i am working in a small company 30 to 50 users, so which one is more suitable for me a mailbox storage in a folder or database by keeping in mind stability? I don't think there are many people (or organisations) that keep their e-mails in relational databases. Sure, mail servers like Exchange (or Dovecot) may have their own on-disk-format for mailboxes instead of plain maildirs or mboxes. But they don't use MySQL (or Postgres, for that matter). Exchange may not use MS SQL Server, but it does use a database, namely Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) aka JET Blue (not the same code as JET Red, which was the old Access engine). MS looked at moving Exchange to SQL Server, but decided not to. AFAIK, Exchange is the only major mail server to do this. And, hey! The new Gmail composer automatically uses reply-to-list! Party! Party! (Still defaults to top-posting, though.) Cheers, Kelly Clowers
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Besides, I was told in an answer to a bug report that 32bit support will not be available in the next release, Yeah, right. I'll believe that when I see a formal announcement of it on the front page of debian.org and on debian-announce. I expect it sometime between 2038 and never. Unless you mean something besides support for i386/x86-32, but there is no indication of that from the context. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8-hC=yJYyLioEWV_qMiYqcHjHu8jsai0o=touoicd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: Kelly Clowers: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: I don't think there are many people (or organisations) that keep their e-mails in relational databases. Sure, mail servers like Exchange (or Dovecot) may have their own on-disk-format for mailboxes instead of plain maildirs or mboxes. But they don't use MySQL (or Postgres, for that matter). Exchange may not use MS SQL Server, but it does use a database, namely Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) aka JET Blue (not the same code as JET Red, which was the old Access engine). MS looked at moving Exchange to SQL Server, but decided not to. I already supposed something like this when writing my e-mail but couldn't be bothered to google it. Nevertheless, I deliberately chose the term relational database which does not appear to apply to ESE. And that means I am still right. ;-) You are right indeed. I didn't see a clear answer to whether it was relational or not at first. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_gljpx1_hmfwtpfpth8tzcccp5kv45edwcdaz3kjm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Does Debian dictionary/glossary/acronym list exist?
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: I've been using computers since before Linus was born. I'm making the switch from a certain OS ;\ I'm also one of those strange people who actually reads docs. What do I do when I find terms such as initrd or udeb ? And before I get too much grief from youngsters - From personal experience do you have any clue of relevance of CORC, CUPL, WATFOR, WATFIV, 026, 12AX7, etc, etc ;/ ? I'm looking for a self sufficient reference. P.S. I'm also of era of S100, CPM, KIM, SYM, CBM etc etc etc ;) Try http://wiki.debian.org/Glossary and http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/doc/acronyms.html And a general google may work for some things (depending on how overloaded it is), maybe with debian added to the search. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8kz_c7tkx6axmwxfggcxskpkdt3x-g8qu+jn5p2j5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Advice on system purchase
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Worrier Poet worrier.p...@comcast.net wrote: At the same time, I have reservations about supporting AMD -- or more to the point their subsidiary, NVidia -- when purchasing hardware. It seems to me that Intel has been a better friend to FOSS than its competition. I run my systems without proprietary software or firmware. Nvidia is an independent company with a market cap. of $7.46B AMD has a market cap. of $1.46B Nvidia is not and could not become (in the foreseeable future) an AMD subsidiary. I suppose the other way around could happen (still unlikely though). ATI is the graphics card company that was bought by AMD some years ago (they merged though, ATI does not exist as a company or even a brand name anymore). Though AMD has not contributed as much to the graphics stack as Intel, they have been pretty good. And they release actual specs which Intel doesn't do. Certainly they are far more friendly to FOSS than Nvidia. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9gpPcAGLu7EGxGfa_Zyfac=dEuAO3qNPeHUopr=LCx=w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: NVIDIA OpenGL driver
This needs to go to the list, not me On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:47 AM, Zhigang Song 10054114...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, October 19, 2012 11:16 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Zhigang Song10054114...@gmail.com wrote: I can't use any OpenGL program after I installed Nvidia driver on my laptop, the error message is : invalid opengl context. my graphic card is Geforce GT 630M, Cpu is core i5-2450M Do you mean you installed the Nvidia binary driver or do you mean the Nouveau Open Source driver? Please post the first five or so lines of output from running glxinfo on the command line. While we are at it, might as well post the output from lsmod. Cheers, Kelly Clowers Sorry for late reply. I got the error message command not found when running 'glxinfo', I'm not sure if I install the nvidia-glx correctly. here are the command I used when I installed my driver: # apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common # m-a update # m-a prepare # m-a get nvidia # m-a build nvidia # m-a install nvidia # apt-get install nvidia-glx and i edited my xorg.conf after these commands, I commented out 'Load dir' and 'Load dir2'(Load glx is in the file),then run command echo nvidia/etc/modules. output of lsmod is blow: Module Size Used by pci_stub 12397 1 vboxpci18713 0 vboxnetadp 25431 0 vboxnetflt 23231 0 vboxdrv 165027 3 vboxnetflt,vboxnetadp,vboxpci binfmt_misc12813 1 nfsd 173714 2 nfs 265779 0 nfs_acl12463 2 nfs,nfsd auth_rpcgss32143 2 nfs,nfsd fscache31978 1 nfs lockd 57255 2 nfs,nfsd sunrpc143853 6 lockd,auth_rpcgss,nfs_acl,nfs,nfsd loop 17810 0 snd_hda_codec_hdmi 26319 1 snd_hda_codec_realtek 142221 1 nvidia 10183049 0 uvcvideo 56896 0 videodev 61658 1 uvcvideo media 13692 2 videodev,uvcvideo joydev 17010 0 arc4 12418 2 ath9k 67776 0 ath9k_common 12648 1 ath9k ath9k_hw 311354 2 ath9k_common,ath9k snd_hda_intel 21856 2 ath17114 3 ath9k_hw,ath9k_common,ath9k snd_hda_codec 63477 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi mac80211 171359 1 ath9k snd_hwdep 12943 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm53390 3 snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_hdmi i915 307698 2 snd_page_alloc 12867 2 snd_pcm,snd_hda_intel drm_kms_helper 22699 1 i915 drm 134178 3 drm_kms_helper,i915 snd_seq39487 0 snd_seq_device 13016 1 snd_seq acpi_cpufreq 12807 0 acer_wmi 21651 0 ac 12552 0 battery12957 0 i2c_algo_bit 12713 1 i915 cfg80211 117454 3 mac80211,ath,ath9k snd_timer 22356 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm psmouse54927 0 snd42691 13 snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi power_supply 13283 2 battery,ac evdev 17225 19 serio_raw 12803 0 sparse_keymap 12680 1 acer_wmi rfkill 18516 3 cfg80211,acer_wmi i2c_i801 12670 0 mperf 12421 1 acpi_cpufreq iTCO_wdt 16945 0 iTCO_vendor_support12632 1 iTCO_wdt wmi13051 1 acer_wmi i2c_core 19116 7 i2c_i801,i2c_algo_bit,drm,drm_kms_helper,i915,videodev,nvidia coretemp 12770 0 soundcore 12921 1 snd processor 27565 1 acpi_cpufreq button 12817 1 i915 video 17412 1 i915 pcspkr 12515 0 crc32c_intel 12659 0 aesni_intel17913 2 aes_i586 16608 1 aesni_intel aes_generic32970 2 aes_i586,aesni_intel cryptd 14125 1 aesni_intel ext4 302665 3 crc16 12327 1 ext4 jbd2 52246 1 ext4 mbcache12897 1 ext4 sg 21476 0 sr_mod 17468 0 sd_mod 35425 5 cdrom 34813 1 sr_mod crc_t10dif 12332 1 sd_mod ahci 20821 4 libahci18308 1 ahci ehci_hcd 35509 0 libata124981 2 libahci,ahci usbcore 104352 3 ehci_hcd,uvcvideo usb_common 12338 1 usbcore sdhci_pci 13576 0 scsi_mod 135124 4 libata,sd_mod,sr_mod,sg sdhci 22377 1
Re: aptitude vs apt-get (was ... Re: mount cdrom?)
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:05:55AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: I recommend using aptitude for everything. It replaces apt-get and apt-cache, ... root@tal:~# dpkg -S /usr/bin/apt-get apt: /usr/bin/apt-get root@tal:~# apt-cache policy aptitude aptitude: Installed: (none) Candidate: 0.6.8.1-2 Version table: 0.6.8.1-2 0 990 http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages IOW, I can easily remove aptitude, I wouldn't like to try forcefully removing apt. aptitude search chess Mmmm, :) Aptitude is the officially recommended tool for command line package management, replacing apt-get. Where does it say that? If you are talking about the release notes, then that seems to vary from release to release and generally refers to which tool does the best job of upgrading from one release to the next without too many problems. I swear I saw it on the Aptitude page on the Debian wiki, but I guess it was somewhere else, because I just looked and it is not. Oh well. I mean obviously people are free to use what they want, I just cannot understand why anyone would use apt-* when there is aptitude. And 90% of the time I use interactive mode, which doesn't exist *at all* in apt-*, and when I do use the CLI, one command for installing searching, etc. is more convent than several. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_p9vgeudez02kstmym2ytwgoas9ld44a3btmgjprj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: NVIDIA OpenGL driver
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Zhigang Song 10054114...@gmail.com wrote: I can't use any OpenGL program after I installed Nvidia driver on my laptop, the error message is : invalid opengl context. my graphic card is Geforce GT 630M, Cpu is core i5-2450M Do you mean you installed the Nvidia binary driver or do you mean the Nouveau Open Source driver? Please post the first five or so lines of output from running glxinfo on the command line. While we are at it, might as well post the output from lsmod. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_OgJJJOcyUochN_ESfH1OWWGcLYx=xhrroxmv7jn0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: aptitude vs apt-get (was ... Re: mount cdrom?)
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 October 2012 16:05:46 Kelly Clowers wrote: I swear I saw it on the Aptitude page on the Debian wiki, but I guess it was somewhere else, because I just looked and it is not. I swear I _saw_ it - past tense! Perhaps it was there but is not there now. Aptitude did have some definite advantages over apt- , but they are now much more level pegging. (And no, I do not want a flame war over my apt is better than your apt !) I still use aptitude most of the time, because I know it better. Oh well. I mean obviously people are free to use what they want, I just cannot understand why anyone would use apt-* when there is aptitude. And 90% of the time I use interactive mode, which doesn't exist *at all* in apt-*, and when I do use the CLI, one command for installing searching, etc. is more convent than several. I agree! I guess it would make less difference on stable, not much needs to be done there. But I use unstable+experimental, and use some outside repos like debian-multimedia and wine repos, and at times I have run a mixed Debian/Ubuntu system (I wanted newer GTK et al that was not in unstable or even experimental (during a freeze)). Trust me, that was hairy enough sorting out dependencies *with* aptitude interactive mode, you don't want to try with apt-get! Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=__acrxkmmwr4hovzvl-lzs2eqpbqshviyvkp_nmvo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Listen to audio..........
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote: Naturally I would have checked that the CD/DVD player was working, and in that case it doesn't matter if it can play CD's or DVD's I don't think? If I had been able to mount it, I would have known the extension the tracks/files have. [Thanks Kelly for that info Kelly] Doesn't matter, a program in windows XP called Arcade can read and play them so I'm right. I would just have liked to listen to them while booted into Linux, because my windows partition is only there for emergencies such as this. Thanks for your help. As always much appreciated. Besides VLC: mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/cdrom cdda:// Totem - Movie - Play Disc cdplay -d /dev/cdrom (When the cdtools package installed. This is one of the most low-level ways to play a cd) CD rippers: Sound Juicier k3b audex abcde cdparanoia Also, it you mount the cd (which Linux can do, even with an audio cd), use file on one of the files # file /media/cdrom/ If that kind of stuff isn't working all I could think is that it has some kind of weird DRM on it (which normal Audio CDs do not support). Do you know if it plays in a cd player (not a computer)? And where is this Windows program Arcade from? I cannot find it anywhere... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8je9amn5_tbcpuhb3_cjzgurkv9j0rttsjh7zd_ab...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Listen to audio..........
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote: I have a CD with just audio only tracks, not music, just people speaking. They are lectures. I don't know what extension they have, but VLC won't touch them and neither will totem. If it is an audio cd, they do not have file extensions, they are tracks, not exactly files in the usual sense. Some graphical file browsers will display them with the .cda extension, but that is artificial, not technically correct. VLC should handle CD audio fine, use Media - Open disc Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9Q1yrFJ=_gdke6gkxu6_xrz1hqsisrp6znsghwpt0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: mount cdrom?
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Hadi Motamedi motamed...@hotmail.com wrote: I found how to install packages from CD, as : #apt-get install gcc But can you please let me know where can I find the list of available and useful programs that I can try to install them from my install CDs ? I recommend using aptitude for everything. It replaces apt-get and apt-cache, and has a ncurses TUI (text user interface) aptitude install gcc aptitude search chess aptitude (for TUI) See the man page for more Aptitude interactive mode is great for browsing the packages and picking out what you want to install, and it is by far the best way to resolve tricky conflicts if you live on the bleeding edge of unstable+experimental. Aptitude is the officially recommended tool for command line package management, replacing apt-get. There used to be technical advantages to aptitude, and minor incompatibles if using *both* aptitude and apt-get, but both of those are in the past now. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_tlwlf-v1eiy_shaajxs7cuqdze-+wacf0yxqjprp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: can't create an UDF file system on a CD-RW
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I experienced two things as problematic with Linux. CD-RAM and independent from the CD-RAM issue, UDF too. You must mean CD-R or CD-RW? Or DVD-RAM, but that pretty much failed early, leaving DVD-R(W) and DVD+R(W). If you do have DVD-RAM, I am not surprised there where problems. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9cbh4wm665u9i7hnt8j2nc-3pfyt65bo_hr7k+hbz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: can't create an UDF file system on a CD-RW
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Thank you Slavko :) On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 21:32 +0200, I wrote: Oops, yes I meant DVD-RAM. Sometimes they worked like a charm, but for many installs I couldn't get them working. I guess today DVD-RAM anyway is completely obsolet. I guess I'm mistaken, on some installs they worked like a charm and on most installs they were to slow. Really slow, IIRC copying 1kB still wasn't done after an hour or something strange like that. Perhaps interesting to play with those DVD-RAM monsters. Interesting that several people here have DVD-RAM, I don't know anyone personally that has one. It sounds like it was an interesting beast, too bad it pretty much died out. OT: A Linux audio penpal some minutes ago mentioned something else to play with. The Rasberry Pi, unfortunately it's twice as expensive as promised by the hype and I hardly have enough money to survive. However, this Rasberry thingy does siren calls ;). Raspberry Pi is cool (not my cup of tea, but cool nonetheless). It looks like it is selling for 35 USD, which is what I always heard quoted. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_vp1zv1fno_zagek4tvb1-tmank80hmxshxp+mifw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ssh connection
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Lisi Reisz hants...@googlemail.com wrote: I am trying to set up a small network of three machines to intercommunicate via ssh. Machines B and C are running Squeeze with Trinity DE, machine A is running Lenny with KDE3. (The other Squeeze machine turned up its toes and died this morning. :-( So I had to bring poor old Lenny back on stream.) I have been using Google to good effect for almost the whole process, about which I am a total ignoramus, but I have hit an impasse from which much Googling cannot extricate me. I have machines A, B, C. All three can ping each other and the router. Machine A can ssh into both the other machines. Machine C can ssh into both the other machines. Machine B can ssh into Machine C, but not into Machine A. I am now reluctant to do anything too drastic in case I kibosh even what I have got. Anyone got any suggestions what I could try? Could I supply more helpful data? I have done a ssh -v and the result is below. What does your sshd config file look like on A? Are you using RSA certs for authentication? Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8w1poumvafbfh+hl0q5f5ntqymibk8avbsqlhoj6j...@mail.gmail.com
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:47:55 -0500 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Hello Stan, name I suggest above allows even the most challenged users to understand. I disagree. the use of the letters INTL are already established, admittedly in other fields, as representing International. For one letter, what's wrong with AMDINTEL64? However, x86-64 is the better option, IMO. Your contention that most users don't what it is, they've never heard of it may be true in the general sense, but we're talking Linux adopters here; On the whole, they're a bit more technically savvy that the average Joe. Agreed, if you where going to change the name, x86-64 makes the most sense, is the most common name for it in the Linux community (MS users tend to use x64, which is absurd), and is technically accurate. There is no reason to call it AMDINTEL64 or any such thing. Unless you also want to change i386 to INTELAMD32 or some silliness, but at that point you might as well change the official names to 32 bit AMD and Intel processors, like the 386 and original Pentium and Athlon and Itanium, Intel's huge, expensive 64 bit chip for servers that competes with IBM POWER. I mean really, there is a point where it just gets silly. Just use a reasonable name and give a good description. Speaking of which, I note that the Debian ports page has changed, it now has improved descriptions that call out Xeon and Core2 and Itanium by name, which I don't believe it did before. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9k_dohz7xd23vkchiq1a6l4d6htxnggp5ssavscl3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.org wrote: Isn't this just a question of whether you have a Pentium/Intel 64bit processor, or an AMD64? No. That is the point of this thread. The marketing name Intel 64, also known as EM64T *is* AMD64 aka x86-64. All modern Intel Pentiums, Core series, and Xeons are x86-64. It is called AMD64 in Debian because AMD invented that extension to x86; Intel copied it when it turned out to be so successful. IA64 (Intel Architecture 64, named long before the marketing name Intel 64 for x86-64) is the Itanium processor and is about as different from anything x86 as it is possible to be. It is a VLIW architecture, very unlike traditional CISC (x86, PDP-11, VAX, Moto 68k) or RISC (ARM, MIPS, POWER, SPARC). Itanium is a very expensive chip that is used in very expensive servers and mainframe-type computers. It is/was meant to compete with high-end modern SPARCs and IBM POWER, and to some extent IBM zSeries/System Z, and it was a replacement for HP's PA-RISC. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-wf0HN2c=yt8z1sjpoubydyx5sqneo_qea3rw+vpm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Drivers for ethernet chip on the Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: My on-board ethernet chip is not working in Debian Squeeze. I have installed a PCI card that is working, but I would like to have the (better) on board chip working. I have used it from the Linux Format remastered Ubuntu 12.04 live CD, so there is obviously a Linux driver for it. I have Googled and found only references to how well it works in Linux. I also found references to its being free and in the kernel. I cannot find a driver. I have installed 3.2.0 from Squeeze Backports without success. (That is to say, the upgraded kernel has not helped the situation. It installed without a hitch.) I have done a cold reboot. The Gigabyte specs say it is an Atheros chip, but there are several different Atheros GbE chips out there, we need to know which one. Please post the section for the chip from the output of lspci -v Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-fed7_g9tc1t0kp1r-7x2gfz1qshfs4rkxcysu2qg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: enter BIOS menu
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:38 AM, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure if I understand your problem. On (my) HP PC F10 starts the HP Setup Utility, as you wrote. That _is_ the BIOS menu. What do you expect? This BIOS menu looks a little bit different - when you are used to Award BIOS or something like that. The key used to enter the BIOS Setup differes depending on the BIOS manufacturer. Seriously?! There is none BIOS setup. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07110dlc=enlc=encc=us#N163 It more like Figure 2 and Figure 3, but not like Figure 1 or others BIOS menu. I wish to Enable Intel VT-x and AMD-V virtualization hardware extensions in BIOS Well, you can't enable both of them! It looks to me like the bios you mentioned goes with Intel processors, so of course VT-x is what you want. It looks like many of these BIOSes have the VT-x option under a tab relating to security. Check there and see what you can find. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-ig3gthy-1gmqdgyxoqonw5lg9ekdq6zuy4kxpv6l...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Drivers for ethernet chip on the Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 20 September 2012 16:43:10 Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: My on-board ethernet chip is not working in Debian Squeeze. [snip] The Gigabyte specs say it is an Atheros chip, but there are several different Atheros GbE chips out there, we need to know which one. Please post the section for the chip from the output of lspci -v 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 19 I/O ports at d000 [size=256] Memory at f7c0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: access denied Kernel driver in use: 8139too Sorry, that is your other card. you want the one that goes with the line: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Device 1083 (rev c0) The extra info in the -v version shows what, if any, driver is currently attached to the device. Thanks, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9hunoghpi6f8pgla1tq+t1tef1mqn6flff95buot+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: enter BIOS menu
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:02 AM, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 20,September,2012 11:55 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:38 AM, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure if I understand your problem. On (my) HP PC F10 starts the HP Setup Utility, as you wrote. That _is_ the BIOS menu. What do you expect? This BIOS menu looks a little bit different - when you are used to Award BIOS or something like that. The key used to enter the BIOS Setup differes depending on the BIOS manufacturer. Seriously?! There is none BIOS setup. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07110dlc=enlc=encc=us#N163 It more like Figure 2 and Figure 3, but not like Figure 1 or others BIOS menu. I wish to Enable Intel VT-x and AMD-V virtualization hardware extensions in BIOS Well, you can't enable both of them! It looks to me like the bios you mentioned goes with Intel processors, so of course VT-x is what you want. It looks like many of these BIOSes have the VT-x option under a tab relating to security. Check there and see what you can find. Yes, under the Security -- OS security I found the Intel Virtualization Techology -- changed from disable to able. I was quite silly, in the past I reboot more than 20 times. Well, it was a good thing I googled around, I would never have expected it to be under security (though in retrospect I can see why, though I still don't agree). Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-nkukn8+thwj2byq53khzvlcbb-qeq7bu+v0ev8mv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Drivers for ethernet chip on the Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 20 September 2012 21:10:24 Stephan Seitz wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 08:58:51PM +0100, Lisi wrote: If the correct driver is in use, why does it not work in Squeeze? Does dmesg show anything about missing firmware files? The driver is loaded but it can’t maybe initialise the device without firmware which may not be installed because it is non-free. Stephan Yes, I thought exactly that, but have no idea how to find said firmware. Which is where we came in, I'm afraid. I can only find one line that refers at all to the Atheros: [1.284753] atl1c :02:00.0: version 1.0.1.0-NAPI I do not think it needs firmware. I verified in source that in the 3.2 kernel, the atl1c driver includes the hardware ID 1083. The related driver atl1e does not, so it is not that. At least through 3.4, atl1c is marked experimental... What do you get with ifconfig -a? I see references to doing: echo 1969 1083 /sys/bus/pci/drivers/atl1c/new_id But I think that would apply for cases where the atl1c driver did not yet include that hardware ID and this version does... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_shhfpsdi5k9vfkizeo182jho92vps5wwj0j_06a_...@mail.gmail.com
