Re: Zoom in the official repo is outdated

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-04-24 at 16:42 -0300, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> (Please cc me when replying as I'm not subscribed to the list)
> 
> Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom 
> meetings using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to 
> join meetings, I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom package.
> 
> I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of the 
> flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?
> 
> Sds,
> 
> Romário

I was expected to use zoom for a meeting. The zoom app didn't work at
all in Debian 10, completely refusing even to open a window. I at first
started with the zoom support in Firefox, but it didn't have a button
to select high resolution for the camera, so the meeting host asked me
to run in the app.

I re-opened the session on a different computer that is running Debian
12. The app worked OK on that computer.

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!

At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the
atmosphere to combine it with calcium to make bones and armor,
eventually eternal limestone, we have only about eighteen million years
until Gaia commits suicide. Why should we continue to be complicit?

Read Patrick Moore. The Positive Impact of Human CO2 Emissions on the
Survival of Life on Earth. Frontier Science for Public Policy, June
2016.

Re: Generic Linux / clib question

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-02-09 at 17:37 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 02:30:54PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > Years ago, I knew the name of the routines one could use to have some
> > stdin history and be able to edit it, like you can do in XTerm or
> > gnuplot or 
> > 
> > I can't remember them now, or find them.
> 
> I think you're talking about the readline library, which is used by bash
> (I assume that's what you meant by "XTerm") and some other programs.
> 
> What, exactly, are you trying to do?

I'm hoping to convince Intel to add it to the stdin runtime support for
ifx and ifort Fortran compilers.

Generic Linux / clib question

[Van Snyder]

Years ago, I knew the name of the routines one could use to have some
stdin history and be able to edit it, like you can do in XTerm or
gnuplot or 

I can't remember them now, or find them.

Does anybody know the names?

Thanks,
Van Snyder

Re: How to insert symbols into emails

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-01-30 at 10:21 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > > > Those symbols are very nice, which tool have you used to insert
> > > > them?
> > > 
> > > Easy. I configured my CAPSLOCK key (which is useless IMO) to bemy
> > > X compose key. So entering COMPOSE-4-5 does ⅘, and COMPOSE-<-
> > > 3does ♥. You can even define your own compose seqs, like I did
> > > with♀ (COMPOSE-o-+) and others.
> > 
> > This is documented at  by the
> > way.

I configured several different Compose keys, for example Right-Alt, one
at a time, using the KDE settings -> input devices -> keyboard ->
advanced widget.

If I use them in XTerm, for example Compose-'-e to try to produce é, it
locks up. If I use them in nedit, I get a two-character sequence. If I
use them in Evolution or Firefox, it works fine.
It also works in Konsole, but my fingers know XTerm and so does my
.Xdefaults.

Does this only work in programs that work in UTF-8 instead of ASCII?

Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 07:00 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote:
> > When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on
> > Debian 
> > GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No
> > video 
> > with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to
> > download 
> > the file, or play it with an external application.
> > 
> > ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date.
> > 
> > Can it be made to work?
> > 
> Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on
> the 
> way t6o describing the problem...

http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/AuraMLS_SH2009.mp4

The same video is available as avi, and that works fine with Firefox by
launching an external viewer such as vlc or dragon. I would expect
Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer instead of the
sad-face window.

> 
> 
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> Western Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> .
> 

Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4

[Van Snyder]

When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on Debian
GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No video
with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to
download the file, or play it with an external application.

ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date.

Can it be made to work?

Running 32 bit apps on 64 bit debian

[Van Snyder]

I'm trying run 32 bit LinuxSusser on 64 bit Debian 12 bookworm.

When I try to run it, I get
./LinuxSusser: Command not found.

"ls -l ./LinuxSusser" respnds
-rwxr-xr-x 1 vsnyder vsnyder 12698092 Feb  8  2013  LinuxSusser*

"dpkg --print-architecture" responds amd64
"dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" responds i386

"file ./LinuxSusser" responds
./LinuxSusser:  ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for
GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped

but "ldd ./LinuxSusser" responds "not a dynamic executable"

I used to run it in Debian 10.

What am I doing wrong?

Re: Performance of my computer

[Van Snyder]

On Mon, 2023-10-30 at 19:40 +, piorunz wrote:
> On 30/10/2023 18:56, Van Snyder wrote:
> > Firefox, in every version I've used so far, appears to have
> > memoryleaks. If I kill it, not by clicking its little "X" or Alt-
> > F4, but with"kill -9", so that it reopens everything when I restart
> > it, my memoryusage immediately drops by 75%. Then it creeps back
> > up.
> 
> Firefox doesn't have any memory leaks. It actively uses buffers,
> cache,filling available memory. I have Firefox running for days,
> sometimesweeks. On slow laptop, and fast workstation PC. Same result,
> no crashes,no memory leaks.

Then why does it use 1/3 as much memory to display the same pages and
tabs when I kill it and restart it? That's a symptom of memory leakage.
> --With kindest regards, Piotr.
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ 
> https://www.debian.org/
> ⠈⠳⣄

Re: Performance of my computer

[Van Snyder]

On Mon, 2023-10-30 at 12:45 -0600, William Torrez Corea wrote:
> How can improve the performance of my computer?
> 
> 
> I have problems when I have a lot of tabs opened in my browser, i am
> using the libreoffice or playing on Steam. The system blew up.
> 
> My browser: Firefox Browser 115.4.0esr (64 bit)
> My system: Linux 5.10.0-26-amd64 1 SMP Debian 5.10.197-1 (2023-09-29) 
> x86_64 GNU/Linux

Firefox, in every version I've used so far, appears to have memory
leaks. If I kill it, not by clicking its little "X" or Alt-F4, but with
"kill -9", so that it reopens everything when I restart it, my memory
usage immediately drops by 75%. Then it creeps back up.
> My browser consumes 655MB of memory and uses 34% of the CPU.
> 
> The system uses 30% CPU, 265 Process, 50% memory and swap 9%. 
> 
> I haven't partitioned my hard disk.  
> 
> I have Toshiba L200 Laptop PC Hard drive 1 TB, 5400 rpm, 128 MB/8MB
> buffer
> 
> -- 
> 
> With kindest regards, William.
> 
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ 
> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
> ⠈⠳⣄ 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Alt-Shift-P freezes XTerm

[Van Snyder]

The culprit is tcsh, not XTerm. With bash, Alt-Shift-P produces a
colon.
I added this to my .XDefaults
xterm*altIsNotMeta: truexterm*altSendsEscape: true
so that Alt-Shift-P becomes ESC-P. The problem now does not occur in
tcsh.
Thanks to the correspondents on the list.
On Sat, 2023-10-14 at 15:49 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 08:38:22AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 07:07:57AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 01:06:20PM -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > I haven't figured out how to unlock the XTerm after
> > > > accidentally givingit Alt-Shift-P.
> > 
> > I'm not seeing whatever it is you're seeing here.  On Debian 12, if
> > Ilaunch an xterm (simply "xterm &") with bash running inside it,
> > andpress Alt-P I get this character: ð
> > Shift-Alt-P gives me this character: Ð
> 
> Oh, that's interesting. Our setups seem to differ in some way.What I
> see with AltGr (not Alt) is Þ, with shift it's þ (thisis Thorn; you
> are seeing eth)
> It seems that your left alt isn't doing Meta and mine doesor
> something :)
> [...]
> > > The behaviour [of Alt-Shift-P] is the same if I do "ESC P". Does
> > > that "hang yourXterm", too?
> > 
> > Looks like your bash is in emacs (default) mode.  Pressing Esc P
> > inemacs mode triggers this guy:
> 
> It is.
> > "\eP": do-lowercase-version
> 
> Well, we were talking about the uppercase one (remember: alt-
> shift),so it is this:
> > "\ep": non-incremental-reverse-search-history
> > non-incremental-reverse-search-history (M-p)Search
> > backward through the history starting at the current
> > lineusing  a  non-incremental  search  for  a string
> > supplied by theuser.
> > I'm not 100% sure what that means, but maybe you can figure it out
> > ifyou continue experimenting with it.  I don't normally run bash in
> > emacsmode myself, so many of these readline features are foreign to
> > me.
> 
> I tried to describe what it does, and yes, this matches the
> behaviourpretty well: readline (I suppose) prints a colon (I guess
> this is meantas a prompt), you may enter some string, and then it
> searches back inthe history for the last matching command -- so like
> an incrementalbackward search without the incremental bit :-)
> > Anyway, all of that's an interesting tangent, but I still don't
> > geta "freeze" in xterm from any of this.
> 
> Absolutely. To both.
> > Van Snyder, can you try running this in your xterm:
> > bind -p | grep P
> > That should tell us whether you have any unusual readline
> > bindingsinvolving the letter P (capital) which might be at fault
> > here.  In myshell, I just have these:
> > unicorn:~$ set -o viunicorn:~$ bind -p | grep P"P": self-
> > insertunicorn:~$ set -o emacsunicorn:~$ bind -p | grep P"\C-xP":
> > do-lowercase-version"\eP": do-lowercase-version"P": self-insert
> 
> That's what I get too. Now curious as to what Van Snyder gets :-)
> Cheers

Re: Alt-Shift-P freezes XTerm

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2023-10-13 at 12:38 -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> I have set up Alt-Shift-P as a macro in my editor (nedit) to run
> pdflatex.
> If I accidentally do it when XTerm has keyboard focus, it locks up
> and the only thing I can do is kill it and restart.
> How can I unlock XTerm after doing this?
> There are no Alt-Shift sequences listed at 
> https://www.xfree86.org/current/ctlseqs.html (maybe it's only about
> output sent to XTerm).
> Is there a list of Alt-Shift (and Alt-Ctrl and Shift-Ctrl) sequences
> for XTerm?
> Van Snyder

I haven't figured out how to unlock the XTerm after accidentally giving
it Alt-Shift-P.
But I did work out how to prevent it. Put
xterm*altIsNotMeta: truexterm*altSendsEscape: true
in your .Xdefaults (or .Xresources, or link those files together), then
xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults

Alt-Shift-P freezes XTerm

[Van Snyder]

I have set up Alt-Shift-P as a macro in my editor (nedit) to run
pdflatex.

If I accidentally do it when XTerm has keyboard focus, it locks up and
the only thing I can do is kill it and restart.

How can I unlock XTerm after doing this?

There are no Alt-Shift sequences listed at 
https://www.xfree86.org/current/ctlseqs.html (maybe it's only about
output sent to XTerm).

Is there a list of Alt-Shift (and Alt-Ctrl and Shift-Ctrl) sequences
for XTerm?

Van Snyder

Printers disappear

[Van Snyder]

I used /usr/bin/system-config-printer to detect and set up my printers.

I want to set up one of the printers to do do both simplex and duplex
printing, so I duplicate it, and change the original settings that the
"find printer" process discovered from simplex to duplex.

After a few days, the copy disappears and I have to set it up again to
print a file duplexed. This is a new phenomenon that started a few
weeks ago, but I haven't updated anything.

I'm using

Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-23-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × Intel® Core™ i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93GHz
Memory: 3.7 GiB of RAM

Is this a Debian 10 thing, or a KDE thing?

Is there a way I can make the copy stick around?

unzip files bigger than 4 GB

[Van Snyder]

unzip v 6.0 (the version delivered with Debian 10) doesn't work with
files bigger than 2^32 bytes.

Is there an alternative program to do it?

KALARM not working

[Van Snyder]

I had been using KALARM for a very long time.

Now, it's stopped displaying anything, stopped reminding of anything,
and stopped allowing me to add alarms.

When I try to add a new alarm, it refuses to do it. It pops up an error
window "Failed to create alarm."

Do you know how to repair it? I've tried deleting all the akonadi files
and directories under ~/.local, but that doesn't repair it.


I don't understand the advantage of using Akonadi in place of cron.

What alternatives do you suggest?

I'm still using Debian 10, waiting for the problems to calm down. KDE
Plasma version is 5.14.5, Frameworks version is 5.54.0.

Re: Which Diff tool could I use for visually comparing two text files where Word Wrap is possible?

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 22:50 +0200, local10 wrote:
> Mar 31, 2023, 16:30 by bkpsusmi...@gmail.com:
> > I tried diffuse, but it appears to me that it suffers from
> > alimitation so far as my need is concerned. It compares files by
> > linesand line numbers, so I can't use word-wrap to have the
> > differencesbetween two files within the program window without
> > venturing out tothe right within the two file windows.
> > Is there a way to Word Wrap? Am I making a mistake here? Which
> > programwould be the best suited for my work for comparing text
> > files?
> 
> Try Kompare. I tried several diff tools but I liked Kompare the most:
> clean, intuitive interface, easy to use, lots of features.

emacs includes a nice side-by-side compare and merge feature.
> Regards,

kalarm not working

[Van Snyder]

I had been using Debian 10 until I took some advice that I shouldn't
have, and upgraded one thing. That triggered a bunch more upgrades,
until too many things stopped working. So I reinstalled Debian 10
(waiting a while to see how 12 works out).

Now, in the new Debian 10 install Kalarm isn't working, and the author
doesn't respond.

Kalarm says it failed to append an item when I try to import my saved
calendar.

There are eleven akonadi_kalarm_resource processes running, three
~/.,kde/share/config/akonadi_kalarm__resource* files, and five
~/.local/share/akonadi_kalarm_resrouce* directories with hundreds of
calendar.ics-* files.

Any ideas how to get kalarm working, and reduce the number of akonadi
files and directories?

Re: debian 12 installers

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2023-03-11 at 18:32 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> The installation *process*
> doesn't change.  After the base system has been installed, you're given a
> menu from which you can select additional software to install -- SSH server,
> various Desktop Environments, and so on
> 
> After the installation is done, you reboot into the new system.  From
> there, you can continue installing other packages if you want.
> Experienced users often have a good idea which packages they want, and
> may just do something like "apt install build-essential xorg fvwm mutt ...".
> Newcomers will probably take longer to learn what packages are available,
> what they do, which ones would be helpful to install on their systems,
> etc.

With other distributions, for example back when Scientific Linux
actually existed, the list of "additional software to install" provided
by the installer was much larger. It included development software,
publishing software, web serverrs, 

Are these not in the list in the recent Debian installers because they
don't fit nicely on one non-graphic-installer's screen?

debian 12 installers

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2023-03-11 at 22:26 +0100, digital...@gmx.de wrote:
> My installation is a complete new one from the alpha2 installer.

What's the "alpha2 installer?"

I usually do a netinst. Then I have to install each thing I actually
use when I discover that it's not installed by netinst.

I need development tools. I need LaTeX.  I use some old stuff such as
xv and pdftk

Is there in an installer that lets me choose more than a basic system?

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 15:04 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> You can probably use 'deb [arch=amd64,i386]' instead of duplicating
> some of the sources.

/etc/apt/sources uses deb [arch=amd64,i386]. The packages listed in
/var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages are the ones that are installed.

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 13:54 +1100, David wrote:

> The command I suggested reports packages whose origin is unknown to
> the apt
> database.  There's 118 of them in your output, including g++-9, many
> libs
> and 6 kernels, pythons 2.7 and 3.9 and perl 5.
> 
> My understanding of the origin = (installed locally) tags in that
> output is
> that this means that the apt* tools are unable to manage updating of
> these
> packages because it cannot associate them with a repository.
> 
> So anything in future that involves/requires a change to any of these
> packages will require you to do the dependency resolution yourself
> because
> apt* won't be able to do that for you.
> 
> Another way to see what repositories have been used on that machine
> is
> to run:
>   ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages
> 
> It would also be interesting to see the output of that command if you
> wish
> to share it.


/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary-
all_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary-
amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary-
i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary-
amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary-
i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-
amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-
i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary-
amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary-
i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-
updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-
updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-
updates_main_binary-i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-
updates_main_binary-i386_Packages.diff_Index
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-i386_Packages.diff_Index
/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_debian-
security_dists_buster_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_debian-
security_dists_buster_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages

I still have some 32-bit codes that I don't have source for, so I can't
compile them, so I still need both i386 and amd64 packages.

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 11:39 +1100, David wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 at 09:21, Van Snyder 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 16:13 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Van Snyder wrote:
> 
> > You are mixing way too many things here. Better tell us the
> > contents of all your /etc/apt/sources.list and
> > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files.
> 
> > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list
> > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list.save
> > 
> > skype-stable.list
> > skype-stable.list.save
> > 
> > I have a line for
> > 
> > deb [arch=amd64,i386] https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi all main
> > 
> > but there is also a file /etc/apt/sources.list/Intel/oneAPI.list
> > that has
> > the same line.
> > 
> > Moving everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d to
> > /etc/apt/save.sources.list.d makes the update and dist-upgrade
> > appear to
> > work without complaint.
> 
> Worth reading:
>   https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
> 
> > Hopefully, that will cure the problems.
> 
> Fixing your sources.list isn't going to uninstall all your
> non-Debian packages. Which might cause problems
> in future, per the above wiki page.
> 
> What output do you see for this command:
>   aptitude search '~i' -F '%p %O#' | grep -v Debian

Output is attached.


cpp-9 (installed locally)
crda (installed locally)
edrawmax (installed locally)
freeglut3 (installed locally)
g++-9 (installed locally)
gcc-9 (installed locally)
gcc-9-base (installed locally)
gfortran-9 (installed locally)
hddtemp (installed locally)
igfxdcd (installed locally)
libabsl20200923 (installed locally)
libaom0 (installed locally)
libasan5 (installed locally)
libavcodec58 (installed locally)
libavdevice58 (installed locally)
libavfilter7 (installed locally)
libavformat58 (installed locally)
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libavresample4 (installed locally)
libavutil56 (installed locally)
libcfitsio9 (installed locally)
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libdav1d4 (installed locally)
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libffi7 (installed locally)
libflac8 (installed locally)
libfwupdplugin1 (installed locally)
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libgcc-9-dev (installed locally)
libgfortran-9-dev (installed locally)
libicu67 (installed locally)
libidn11 (installed locally)
libigdgmm11 (installed locally)
libigdgmm11:i386 (installed locally)
libilmbase25 (installed locally)
libisc-export1105 (installed locally)
libjim0.79 (installed locally)
libjsoncpp24 (installed locally)
libkf5screen7 (installed locally)
libldap-2.4-2 (installed locally)
libldap-2.4-2:i386 (installed locally)
libmalcontent-ui-0-0 (installed locally)
libnautilus-extension1a (installed locally)
libnetpbm10 (installed locally)
libnetpbm10-dev (installed locally)
libntfs-3g883 (installed locally)
libokular5core9 (installed locally)
libopenexr25 (installed locally)
libotf0 (installed locally)
libperl5.32 (installed locally)
libphodav-2.0-0 (installed locally)
libphodav-2.0-common (installed locally)
libplacebo72 (installed locally)
libpoppler102 (installed locally)
libpostproc55 (installed locally)
libproj19 (installed locally)
libprotobuf-lite23 (installed locally)
libpython2-stdlib (installed locally)
libpython2.7-minimal (installed locally)
libpython2.7-stdlib (installed locally)
libpython3.9 (installed locally)
libpython3.9-minimal (installed locally)
libpython3.9-stdlib (installed locally)
libqalculate20 (installed locally)
libruby2.7 (installed locally)
libsrt1.4-gnutls (installed locally)
libssl1.1 (installed locally)
libssl1.1:i386 (installed locally)
libstdc++-9-dev (installed locally)
libswresample3 (installed locally)
libswscale5 (installed locally)
libtesseract4 (installed locally)
libtiff5 (installed locally)
libtiff5:i386 (installed locally)
libvpx6 (installed locally)
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37-gtk2 (installed locally)
libwebp6 (installed locally)
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Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 16:13 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Van Snyder wrote: 
> 

> You are mixing way too many things here. Better tell us the
> contents of all your /etc/apt/sources.list and
> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files.
> 
> -dsr-

Dan:

Thanks for the reminder to look in /etc/apt/sources.d

I hadn't put any files there, but apparently the half-vast upgrade
added some ubuntu sources.


opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list
opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list.save

and some installation, long ago, added

skype-stable.list
skype-stable.list.save

I have a line for

deb [arch=amd64,i386] https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi all main

but there is also a file /etc/apt/sources.list/Intel/oneAPI.list that
has the same line.

Moving everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d to
/etc/apt/save.sources.list.d makes the update and dist-upgrade appear
to work without complaint. Hopefully, that will cure the problems.

Except I just noticed I have no sound. My NVidia graphics card has
sound, and there's Intel sound on the main board. The audio icon in my
KDE task bar says there are no devices. How do I know which driver is
actually running, if any?

Thanks,
Van

Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 15:43 -0500, Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
> Van, what is the specific GPU you have? I know it’s GF108 but what is
> the actual model?

# nvidia-detect
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108
[GeForce GT 630] [10de:0f00] (rev a1)
> 
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 3:33 PM Van Snyder 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 23:27 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> > > On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> > > > > On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > > > I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I
> > > > > > don't see a
> > > > > > reason to replace it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver,
> > > > > > which doesn't
> > > > > > work with GF108.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the
> > > > > > drivers" instead of
> > > > > > "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant
> > > > > > "download them
> > > > > > all in case you install some new hardware."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the
> > > > > > relevant
> > > > > > hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see
> > > > > > if the
> > > > > > installer does it right if I tell it to install only the
> > > > > > relevant 
> > > > > > drivers.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > > 
> > > > > It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in
> > > > > Debian 11
> > > > > (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems
> > > > > again,
> > > > > then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards -
> > > > > Nouveau. it's
> > > > > installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's
> > > > > proprietary
> > > > > drivers - nvidia-*.
> > > > 
> > > > I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was
> > > > the 
> > > > problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the
> > > > correct 
> > > > driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
> > > > downloaded.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There is a package nvidia-detect
> > > 
> > > it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video
> > > card.
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, I used that. Why didn't the installer use it, and choose the
> > 390 driver instead of installing the 470 driver?
> > 
> > > 
> > > Kind regards
> > > Georgi
> > > 
> > 
> > 

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 06:07 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 12:09:30PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > I just upgraded to Debian 11. I had been using Debian 10. I've used
> > Evolution for many years. The version in Debian 11 is 3.48.
> > 
> > I use KDE Plasma version 5.26.90. The KDE Frameworks version is
> > 5.102.0.
> > 
> > I get pop-up notes from KDE that evolution has received new
> > messages.
> 
> Possibly a secondary thing: no messages -> no popup.
> 
> > But the messages don't appear in Evolution [...]
> 
> Since the thread is trying to derail into whether "safe upgrade"
> is somehow safer or not (spoiler: sometimes, but here most probably
> irrelevant; alas, that's how we nerds are ;)...
> 
> I have no clue with Evolution, but it might help those helping you
> to tell us how Evolution is "getting" its mails.
> 
> My hunch would be that it is set up to fetch its mails from the
> server (how? IMAP? POP3?).

Evolution is using imap to receive mail. I can read the messages on the
server in Firefox. I can read the messages in Evolution if I run
evolution in the messed-up bastardized Debian 10/11, but when I run a
pure newly-installed Debian 11, thats when Evolution doesn't display
the messages that KDE has announced have arrived.

My Evolution is set up to read several accounts. The same problem
affects all of them.

I haven't tried Thunderbird.

> It would be useful to try to debug this process. Again, I've never
> touched Evolution in my life, but here [1] is a nice debugging guide
> which might help getting things started.
> 
> Now let's hope to get back on topic and perhaps some Evolution guru
> chimes in.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 15:42 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 22 Feb 2023 at 06:34:27 (+1000), David wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 12:09 -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > 
> > > When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. I still
> > > have
> > > Debian 10 on a different drive. In attempting to repair an
> > > entirely
> > > different problem, I had done
> > > 
> > >   apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
> > 
> > One of the reasons I prefer aptitude's `safe-upgrade'.
> 
> That's the equivalent command, and would not protect you. It will
> upgrade everything that doesn't involve a new package, but nothing
> else, hence the mish-mash of Debian 10 and 11.
> 
> If you want keep an old system around, you need to make sure that the
> sources.list has the correct version's proper name in it, ie buster
> in your case. And if you're later going to use it at all, you need
> to keep it updated with those two commands.
> 
> > > Does anybody have any suggestions to repair it?
> 
> As others have suggested, the easiest is probably to:
> 
>   # apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade

apt-get update doesn't work:

...
Err:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/opm/ppa/ubuntu kinetic Release 
404 Not Found [IP: 185.125.190.52 80]
...
Reading package lists... Done 
W: https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi/dists/all/InRelease: Key is
stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the
DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details.
E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/opm/ppa/ubuntu kinetic
Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.



> which will take it up to stable ≡ bullseye.
> 
> Then edit the sources.list and change stable → bullseye.
> And do the same edit to the system that was already Debian 11.
> 
> In a few ?weeks, you can decide which of the two drives you want to
> upgrade to Debian 12 ≡ bookworm, and leave the other as Debian 11,
> upgradeable /safely/ as Debian 11.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 23:27 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> > > On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I
> > > > don't see a
> > > > reason to replace it.
> > > > 
> > > > It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> > > > 
> > > > But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which
> > > > doesn't
> > > > work with GF108.
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers"
> > > > instead of
> > > > "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant
> > > > "download them
> > > > all in case you install some new hardware."
> > > > 
> > > > Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the
> > > > relevant
> > > > hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if
> > > > the
> > > > installer does it right if I tell it to install only the
> > > > relevant 
> > > > drivers.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi!
> > > 
> > > It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian
> > > 11
> > > (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems
> > > again,
> > > then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau.
> > > it's
> > > installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's
> > > proprietary
> > > drivers - nvidia-*.
> > 
> > I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the 
> > problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the
> > correct 
> > driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
> > downloaded.
> 
> 
> There is a package nvidia-detect
> 
> it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video
> card.

Yeah, I used that. Why didn't the installer use it, and choose the 390
driver instead of installing the 470 driver?

> 
> Kind regards
> Georgi
> 

Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:45 +0100, Mario Marietto wrote:
> If I dont get wrong,nvidia created one single driver which works for
> every gpu or almost ? it means that if I install the 525 driver for
> my RTX 2080 ti will it work also for my old gpu,GTX 1060 ? 

The 470 driver that the Debian installer chose doesn't work with GF108.
Only the 390 driver works. If you look at one of the alternative text
screens (not X) the load process is complaining about that -- but it
took me a week to find that.
 

> 
> Il mar 21 feb 2023, 22:28 Georgi Naplatanov  ha
> scritto:
> > On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> > >> On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> > >>> I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I
> > don't see a
> > >>> reason to replace it.
> > >>>
> > >>> It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> > >>>
> > >>> But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which
> > doesn't
> > >>> work with GF108.
> > >>>
> > >>> Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers"
> > instead of
> > >>> "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant
> > "download them
> > >>> all in case you install some new hardware."
> > >>>
> > >>> Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the
> > relevant
> > >>> hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if
> > the
> > >>> installer does it right if I tell it to install only the
> > relevant 
> > >>> drivers.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi!
> > >>
> > >> It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian
> > 11
> > >> (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems
> > again,
> > >> then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau.
> > it's
> > >> installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's
> > proprietary
> > >> drivers - nvidia-*.
> > > 
> > > I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the
> > > problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the
> > correct 
> > > driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
> > downloaded.
> > 
> > 
> > There is a package nvidia-detect
> > 
> > it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video
> > card.
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Georgi
> > 

Re: Nedit opens in a different workspace

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 15:43 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Then your sources.list file was incorrect to begin with.  I'm
> guessing
> you had something like this:
> 
> 
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
> 
> 
> You should never use the "stable" alias in the sources.list file,
> because
> it's a moving target.

That is indeed the line in /etc/apt/sources.list -- because that's what
the Debian installer put there. I didn't change lines in the file, but
I did add one line for the Intel OneAPI software development tools.

Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> > I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't
> > see a 
> > reason to replace it.
> > 
> > It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> > 
> > But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which
> > doesn't 
> > work with GF108.
> > 
> > Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers"
> > instead of 
> > "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download
> > them 
> > all in case you install some new hardware."
> > 
> > Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant 
> > hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> > 
> > I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the 
> > installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant
> > drivers.
> > 
> 
> 
> Hi!
> 
> It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian 11 
> (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems again, 
> then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau. it's
> installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's
> proprietary 
> drivers - nvidia-*.

I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the
problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the correct
driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
downloaded.

> 
> Kind regards
> Georgi
> 

Nedit opens in a different workspace

[Van Snyder]

I was convinced to do

  apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

to try to repair a problem in my Debian 10 installation. Now it has a
mish-mash of 10 & 11 pieces.

After doing that, when I open Nedit, either from the command-line or a
tool-bar icon, it opens in a random desktop, always different from the
one in which it is opened.

My window manager is KDE Plasma version 5.26.90. The KDE Frameworks
version is 5.102.0.

I tried changing the properties of the icon to use kstart5 with the --
currentdesktop option, but that had no effect.

I have an installation of Debian 11, on a different disk, in which this
does not occur. But that installation has other problems I mentioned
recently.

Does anybody have a suggestion how to repair this problem?

Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't see a
reason to replace it.

It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.

But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which doesn't
work with GF108.

Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers" instead of
"install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download
them all in case you install some new hardware."

Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant
hardware, even if it downloads all of them?

I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the
installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant
drivers.

Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

I just upgraded to Debian 11. I had been using Debian 10. I've used
Evolution for many years. The version in Debian 11 is 3.48.

I use KDE Plasma version 5.26.90. The KDE Frameworks version is
5.102.0.

I get pop-up notes from KDE that evolution has received new messages.

But the messages don't appear in Evolution. I know it's not a mail
server problem because I can read the messages in Firefox -- but
Firefox doesn't have access to my archive, so I can't save anything (on
my own computer). If I were to work out how to get Firefox to save
them, and if I ever get Evolution working again, the messages won't be
in Evolution's format, and the other Evolution data structures won't be
updated.

There was a note about "messages not appearing in Evolution" many years
ago. It turned out to have been caused by the user's configuration
mistake. When I looked for that mistake in my configuration (which I
hadn't touched), I hadn't made it.

Does anybody have any suggestions to get it working?

When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. I still have
Debian 10 on a different drive. In attempting to repair an entirely
different problem, I had done

  apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

on the advice of a posting in one of the Debian forums. Now, in Debian
10, there's a mish-mash of Debian 11 parts. Evolution is version 3.46.
It works, but the user interface is now a mess. Icons are tiny and in
different places. The body has a black border between itself and the
window border. The title bar for the composer is entirely different
from the title bar of any other window -- about three times as thick,
containing several icons, including the "send" icon.

Does anybody have any suggestions to repair it?