Hi.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 04:16:41PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:57:41 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, ok. We all got it already. S*stemd in Debian = bad. S*stemd in
Fedora = good. Fedora has no xen, hence = bad. Debian has xen, hence =
good.
Reco
On Mi, 01 oct 14, 12:20:31, Reco wrote:
So they say. They also say that NetBSD was the first, and it is the most
portable of BSDs.
But the reality is that BSD people say you 'it runs on this platform'
that usually means they give you so called 'base system' and a
toolchain. And if you have
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 12:20:31 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.
Hi Reco,
This is outstanding information. Thank you!
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 04:16:41PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:57:41 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, ok. We all got it
Hi.
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 09:55:47AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
Xen is a microkernel, and there's two major versions of such
microkernel
- 3 and 4. Debian currently uses version 4, about the only one who
uses version 3 today is Oracle. Xen's microkernel is a free software.
But
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 1 Oct 2014 02:05:42 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com napísal:
On Du, 28 sep 14, 20:04:22, Slavko wrote:
BTW, what you recommends is to change the DE due systemd, strange
solution. I want the exact opposite solution - i want to change the
(now default) init
On Mi, 01 oct 14, 18:27:29, Slavko wrote:
in another thread you suggest to read whole posts, please apply this
to self too. I will not repeat all here again, but yes, i tried it and
not only once!
I do usually read very carefully the post I'm replying to and it wasn't
mentioned in it (I
Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:
Hi.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:11:01AM +0200, lee wrote:
Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:
About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
seems to be the
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:
We had an operating system, somebody vastly altered it, some of us see
the vast alterization basically breaking the software, and we bitched
about having someone, even though they're developers, break our
software.
We didn't bitch about it, we
Reco writes:
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
Header files are arch-agnostic, it's the .la files that case all
the trouble.
I'm afraid that's not always the case. I've encountered specific cases
where the headers are different between
Hi.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:11:01AM +0200, lee wrote:
Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:
About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
seems to be the main lee's concern).
I didn't have
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:57:41 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, ok. We all got it already. S*stemd in Debian = bad. S*stemd in
Fedora = good. Fedora has no xen, hence = bad. Debian has xen, hence =
good.
Reco
Reco, help me understand something: I don't understand why it
matters
On Du, 28 sep 14, 20:04:22, Slavko wrote:
BTW, what you recommends is to change the DE due systemd, strange
solution. I want the exact opposite solution - i want to change the
(now default) init system due DE. And if you dont know why, then i will
tell you - because most of my work is done
It is boiling hot here for days, and if you consider other similar topics,
well then, for decades! I like that.
It this going to bring some change to status que?
Best
，
He who is worthy to receive his days and nights is worthy to receive* all
else* from you (and me).
On Monday, September 29, 2014 2:40:02 AM UTC+5:30, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Change is life.
There is nothing static in life.
How Eastern Philosophical. I may have to climb a mountain and fast for
a month to reach your level of
Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 03:21:13PM +0200, Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de napísal:
But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in
Debian still is this:
*Stop* complaining and *start* acting.
Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up with
their brokenarch and left users stranded with no possible fix for the
things they broke. The only reason I'm here is because I have it
running on my server, and the
On Monday, September 29, 2014 3:40:01 PM UTC+5:30, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up with
their brokenarch and left users stranded with no possible fix for the
things they broke. The only
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Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up
with their brokenarch and left users stranded with no possible
fix for the
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 03:21:47AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote:
On Monday, September 29, 2014 3:40:01 PM UTC+5:30, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up with
their brokenarch and left users
This came across another list, in relation to Apple's latest iOS
update. It just seems so appropriate to the systemd discussion:
However, for iOS major releases, almost immediately you start to see app
updates that require the new iOS release. So at least for iOS, you're
almost forced into
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 07:50:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
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Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up
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Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 07:50:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
On 09/29/2014 at 05:49 AM, Reco wrote:
What's wrong with the current multiarch implementation in your
option? I'm really curious as
Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 07:50:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
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On 09/29/2014 at 05:49 AM, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
Header files are arch-agnostic, it's the .la files that case all
the trouble.
I'm afraid that's not always the case. I've encountered specific cases
where the headers are different between architectures.
Hmm. Kernel
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:42:36AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
seems to be the main lee's concern).
I do it all the time. Packaging of some of
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On 09/29/2014 at 12:03 PM, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
Header files are arch-agnostic, it's the .la files that case
all the trouble.
I'm afraid that's not always the case. I've encountered
Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:42:36AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
seems to be the main lee's concern).
I do it all the time. Packaging
On 09/28/2014 06:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 01:48:47PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
On 09/25/2014 05:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:15:36PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
I'm aware of BSD-style init, but the mailing-list thread [1] I posted
[1]
On 09/28/2014 09:28 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2014 28 Sep 08:23 -0500, Liam Proven wrote:
On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are
writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the
Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:
What's wrong with the current multiarch implementation in your option?
I'm really curious as all multiarch complains I've seen so far (barring
actual package limits) were easily solved just by reading an appropriate
man page (or Debian wiki page).
And, IMO,
Ansgar Burchardt ans...@43-1.org writes:
If you don't want to use Debian then don't. But if you don't even want
to use it, making lots of complaints about it seems uncalled for...
There is a difference between using something because it works and using
something because you want to use it. In
Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:
About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
seems to be the main lee's concern).
I didn't have a server back then --- and software to run on my computer
which
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:46:04 +0200
lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote:
Ansgar Burchardt ans...@43-1.org writes:
If you don't want to use Debian then don't. But if you don't even
want to use it, making lots of complaints about it seems uncalled
for...
There is a difference between using
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Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:
What's wrong with the current multiarch implementation in your
option? I'm really curious as all multiarch complains I've seen
so far (barring actual package limits)
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Rusi Mody wrote:
A recent question of mine:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/08/msg01394.html
This is because upower is architecture:any, but cannot be co-installed
with another version of upower.
If the dependency on upower is reasonable, but as long as upower is
Hi Miles,
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 11:09:07 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
Where the hell do you get that from?
Isn't that
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:08:50 schrieb The Wanderer:
On 09/26/2014 at 12:44 PM, Martin Read wrote:
On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
- but the resulting impacts should be taken up with each and
every upstream developer?
As far as I can see, the issue that people are
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 19:08:13 schrieb Ric Moore:
On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his
doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to
harden
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:04:38 schrieb lee:
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:13:21 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:55:36 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation?
Cause what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change.
I think I see why you think so. What makes you think
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 04:35:03 schrieb lee:
Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk writes:
On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177
Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd
developers' decision to not change the interface
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 23:21:36 schrieb martin f krafft:
also sprach Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com [2014-09-26 18:26 +0200]:
If systemd was just a PID1 with the features you enumerate above,
I'd be dancing in the street, not looking for a way out.
Beautiful. I had to:
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On 09/28/2014 at 05:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
It may also be true that systemd upstream won´t be willing to
implement the change you want to see. But if you choose to keep
your power with yourself, instead of giving it to others, you are
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 07:51:14 schrieb The Wanderer:
On 09/28/2014 at 05:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
It may also be true that systemd upstream won´t be willing to
implement the change you want to see. But if you choose to keep
your power with yourself, instead of giving it to
On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are
writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the
headers are done better than I want to bother checking, unless you
tell me so.
Typo, I
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de napísal:
But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in
Debian still is this:
*Stop* complaining and *start* acting.
You are right. For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
* On 2014 28 Sep 08:23 -0500, Liam Proven wrote:
On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are
writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the
headers are done better than I want to
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially
imposes systemd on all of the
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
without systemd in debian
Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that there are others.
Lisi
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:21:13 +0200
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de napísal:
But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in
Debian still is this:
*Stop* complaining and *start*
On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
without systemd in debian
Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that there are others.
The Trinity Desktop Environment is not, as far
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:38:16 -0400 Steve Litt
sl...@troubleshooters.com napísal:
Don't forget to try the various BSDs. As long as your BSD can run qemu
or another VM, you can use Debian for that one or two programs that
don't work under your chosen BSD. I think that with a bind mount
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
the technical committee selects
Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:21:13 +0200
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de napísal:
But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in
Debian still is this:
*Stop* complaining and
On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote:
On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
without systemd in debian
Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
the technical
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 04:35:03 schrieb lee:
Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk writes:
On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177
Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:55:36 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation?
Cause what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change.
I
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:13:21 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:08:39 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com
napísal:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote:
On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
On 28/09/14 18:57, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
I want change. Change is life. There is
nothing static in life.
That's a nice kitchen philosophy (as we would call it in German), and
one that the sellers of novelties of all kind will appreciate.
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lee l...@yagibdah.de writes:
I'm merely participating in the discussion and haven't entirely made up
my mind what the issue actually is and what I should do.
[...]
Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up with
their brokenarch and left users stranded with no possible fix
On Sunday 28 September 2014 19:04:22 Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:08:39 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com
napísal:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote:
On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles
On 09/25/2014 05:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:15:36PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
can't use.
I brought this up once on #offtopic and was told that sysvinit doesn't
work on bsds (that's a paraphrase using the same words, not a quote) and
then ridiculed.
It's not
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 01:48:47PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
On 09/25/2014 05:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:15:36PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
can't use.
I brought this up once on #offtopic and was told that sysvinit doesn't
work on bsds (that's a paraphrase using
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Change is life.
There is nothing static in life.
So all the fuss about wearing those grounded, anti-static wrist straps
is just a hoax?
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On 09/26/2014 08:48 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
I'd appreciate an insight into the reductive reasoning you used to
arrive at your belief?
I was going to reply with links, pictures, and graphs. Then I figured
what for? Tell ya what ...this time next year, we'll re-visit this topic
and we'll see
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
Again, in the real world of operations - not all code is installed
from packages. There's an awful lot of ./configure; ./make install
That has nothing to do with Debian. How can your difficulties
installing some tarball be construed as Debian
Miles Fidelman writes:
We have things like the LSB precisely to provide a standard platform.
And Debian has an LSB package. Install it and your LSB-compliant
software will run (assuming dependencies are satisfied: those are your
problem if you are not using the packaging system). If you know
Le 27/09/2014 01:08, Ric Moore a écrit :
On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and
hide his
doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to
harden
up our systems.
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation?
Cause
what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change.
I think I see why you think so. What makes you think that anything you
or I could do would change anything?
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of
them, so obviously they don't want to fix them. I've seen
On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177
Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd
developers' decision to not change the interface in response to your
complaint was also reasonable. (The Fedora users mailing list thread you
linked
On 28/09/14 06:13, lee wrote:
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd to fix the issues it brings
Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk writes:
On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177
Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd
developers' decision to not change the interface in response to your
complaint was also reasonable.
I never
Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com writes:
On 28/09/14 06:13, lee wrote:
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try
On Jo, 25 sep 14, 15:15:36, koanhead wrote:
On 09/25/2014 03:30 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
...
the Universal Operating System should also cater to non-desktops.
And not only to other-than-desktop, but also to ports and architectures
other than i386/amd64.
I don't have a problem with
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of
them, so obviously they don't want to fix them. I've seen for myself
that they don't want to fix even
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 01:58:44 schrieb lee:
Or to *help*. Make a logind that does not depend on systemd. Offer it
to
the upstreams that need it.
I'm sure it would be ignored or rejected --- even if I had the knowledge
to make anything like that and was able to keep up
Hi!
Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 22:53:09 schrieb The Wanderer:
On 09/25/2014 at 06:09 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
But dependency creep is unfortunately nothing new ever since we
declared next year the Year of Linux of the Desktop and forgot
that the Universal Operating System should
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of
them, so obviously they don't want to fix
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Do you really think they will be able to prevent all the other
Miles Fidelman writes:
the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
Where the hell do you get that from?
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Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Hi!
Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 22:53:09 schrieb The Wanderer:
On 09/25/2014 at 06:09 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
But dependency creep is unfortunately nothing new ever since we
declared next year
On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
So let's see:
- the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
The technical committee has no authority (and limited soft power) with
respect to what *upstream* developers
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On 09/26/2014 at 12:44 PM, Martin Read wrote:
On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
- but the resulting impacts should be taken up with each and
every upstream developer?
As far as I can see, the issue that people are suggesting should
The Wanderer writes:
If you're saying to take the problem to the individual upstreams, then
you are effectively saying that you believe that systemd upstream
already is uncooperative, and already is refusing to fix the problems.
I get the distinct impression that systemd upstream views these
Martin Read wrote:
On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
So let's see:
- the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
The technical committee has no authority (and limited soft power) with
respect to what
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
Where the hell do you get that from?
Isn't that effectively what happened?
If I'm an upstream developer, and I want my
On 09/26/2014 06:06 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:53:01 -0400 Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net napísal:
Martin Read wrote:
On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
So let's see:
- the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially
imposes systemd on all of the upstream developers and
Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his
doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to harden
up our systems. Otherwise, Microsoft will become the only secure server OS,
as they don't mind hiding
also sprach Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com [2014-09-26 18:26 +0200]:
If systemd was just a PID1 with the features you enumerate above,
I'd be dancing in the street, not looking for a way out.
Beautiful. I had to:
https://twitter.com/martinkrafft/status/515611660128903170 ;)
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Miles Fidelman writes:
If I'm an upstream developer, and I want my stuff to run on Debian, I
now have to include systemd init scripts (or the packagers do).
Very few packages need init scripts. When they are the Debian package
maintainer writes them no matter what init system is in use. In
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote:
On 09/26/2014 06:06 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
If I'm an upstream developer, and I want my stuff to run on Debian, I
now have to include systemd init scripts (or the packagers do).
Very few packages need init scripts.
First of all, that's simply not true in the server world. Pretty much
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