Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-31 Thread Olivier
Un point important est de régulièrement vérifier ses propres procédures de restauration (dans des conditions les plus réalistes possibles). Le dim. 30 juil. 2023 à 12:22, Sébastien Dinot a écrit : > > Sébastien Dinot a écrit : > > > Tu expliques bien les intérêts pour la sauvegarde, mais comment

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-30 Thread Sébastien Dinot
Sébastien Dinot a écrit : > > Tu expliques bien les intérêts pour la sauvegarde, mais comment se > > passe une restauration ? > > Très bien. :) Illustration pas plus tard que maintenant, suite à l'effacement accidentel d'un message important reçu vendredi après-midi : # export BORG_RSH="ssh -i

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread Sébastien Dinot
Michel Verdier a écrit : > Est-ce que tu utilise la version 1 ou la version 2 ? Version 2 sur les machines faisant tourner une Bookworm, version 1 sur celle faisant encore tourner une Bullseye. > Tu expliques bien les intérêts pour la sauvegarde, mais comment se > passe une restauration ? Très

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread Michel Verdier
Le 28 juillet 2023 Sébastien Dinot a écrit : > La question n'a rien de stupide, tout au contraire ! Il faut commencer par se > poser la question du besoin et des risques contre lesquels on veut se prémunir > afin d'apporter une réponse pertinente et économiquement supportable. J'ai > écrit un

[HS] Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread didier gaumet
Le 28/07/2023 à 13:42, Sébastien Dinot a écrit : [...] Borgbackup, [...] Vorta [...] A une époque, j'avais regardé ça (Vorta en utilisation principale GUI et Borgbackup en utilisation dégradée CLI) ainsi que d'autres et je m'étais fixé sur Déjà-Dup en GUI et Duplicity en CLI. Mais ton

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread didier gaumet
Le 28/07/2023 à 17:28, RogerT a écrit : Le 28 juil. 2023 à 11:03, didier gaumet a écrit : [...] L'un des points qui me vient à l'esprit, c'est la dépendance: - le fournisseur est-il fiable? Déjà, quelle est son honnêteté? Risque-t-il de voler ou laisser voler par autrui les données de

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread RogerT
> Le 28 juil. 2023 à 11:03, didier gaumet a écrit : > > Le 28/07/2023 à 03:56, RogerT a écrit : > >> Merci beaucoup pour ton retour très détaillé et illustré. Tu as vraiment >> franchi le pas ! >> Je comprends pourquoi un utilisateur lambda (perso, prof libérale, etc.) >> préférera

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread Sébastien Dinot
Le 2023-07-28 12:06, didier gaumet a écrit : Tu n'es qu'un abject et cruel tortionnaire Diantre, c'est bien la première fois qu'on me qualifie de la sorte, et contre toute attente, je ne le prends même pas mal. ;) tu l'anticipes et tu t'en vantes mais pourtant tu ne dévoiles ta

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread didier gaumet
Le 28/07/2023 à 11:20, Sébastien Dinot a écrit : [...] J'ai écrit un article à ce sujet sur mon blog : https://www.palabritudes.net/2020/11/21/quelques-reflexions-sur-la-sauvegarde.html Tu n'es qu'un abject et cruel tortionnaire: tu l'anticipes et tu t'en vantes mais pourtant tu ne dévoiles

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread Sébastien Dinot
Le 2023-07-28 11:02, didier gaumet a écrit : - le fournisseur est-il fiable? Déjà, quelle est son honnêteté? Risque-t-il de voler ou laisser voler par autrui les données de l'utilisateur (pour compte propre ou celui de sa clientèle) (entre autres, propriété intellectuelle, vie privée, etc...)

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread Olivier Pavilla
Bonjour - Message de didier gaumet - Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:02:46 +0200 De: didier gaumet Objet: Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ? À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Le 28/07/2023 à 03:56, RogerT a écrit : Merci beaucoup pour ton retour très

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread didier gaumet
Le 28/07/2023 à 03:56, RogerT a écrit : Merci beaucoup pour ton retour très détaillé et illustré. Tu as vraiment franchi le pas ! Je comprends pourquoi un utilisateur lambda (perso, prof libérale, etc.) préférera acheter un NAS commercial. Il le branche, installe un agent sur son PC et peut

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-28 Thread Sébastien Dinot
Le 2023-07-28 03:56, RogerT a écrit : 1/ Quel intérêt y a-t-il à avoir un NAS (un serveur avec du stockage attaché, en RAID) chez soi; si on peut héberger l'équivalent chez son hébergeur préféré ? (les services réseaux, dont la sauvegarde) Si on considère les sauvegardes (sujet auquel

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-27 Thread RogerT
Le 7/27/23 à 23:24, Sébastien Dinot a écrit : Bonsoir, Sauf erreur de ma part, la question a déjà été débattue plusieurs fois ici sous une perspective ou une autre. On doit trouver trace des échanges dans les archives. Bonsoir, Oui, mais ça doit faire très longtemps. Voici mon petit

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-27 Thread Sébastien Dinot
Bonsoir, Sauf erreur de ma part, la question a déjà été débattue plusieurs fois ici sous une perspective ou une autre. On doit trouver trace des échanges dans les archives. Voici mon petit retour d'expérience personnelle. Au boulot, j'utilise depuis une douzaine d'années des NAS Synology et

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-27 Thread ptilou
Le jeudi 27 juillet 2023 à 15:30:04 UTC+2, RogerT a écrit : > > Le 27 juil. 2023 à 15:00, ptilou a écrit : > > > > Bonjour, > > > >> Le jeudi 27 juillet 2023 à 11:20:05 UTC+2, RogerT a écrit : > >> Bonjour, > >> > >> J’ai eu l’occasion de manipuler quelques « NAS » commerciaux (un serveur

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-27 Thread RogerT
> Le 27 juil. 2023 à 15:00, ptilou a écrit : > > Bonjour, > >> Le jeudi 27 juillet 2023 à 11:20:05 UTC+2, RogerT a écrit : >> Bonjour, >> >> J’ai eu l’occasion de manipuler quelques « NAS » commerciaux (un serveur >> avec une baie…). Dont qnap et synology (basé sur debian). >> >> Le

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-27 Thread ptilou
Bonjour, Le jeudi 27 juillet 2023 à 11:20:05 UTC+2, RogerT a écrit : > Bonjour, > > J’ai eu l’occasion de manipuler quelques « NAS » commerciaux (un serveur avec > une baie…). Dont qnap et synology (basé sur debian). > > Le matériel neuf fait bonne figure. > > Le GUI est censé simplifier

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-27 Thread RogerT
> Le 27 juil. 2023 à 11:47, Gaëtan Perrier a écrit : > >  > Bonjour, > > Je ne vais pas répondre à toutes tes interrogations mais juste partager ma > toute petite expérience. Bonjour, Merci pour ton retour. > J'ai un NAS Synology 4 baies (DS918+). > > Pourquoi avoir choisi un NAS tout

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-27 Thread Frederic Zulian
A mon domicile, j'ai un NAS avec Openmediavault (distribution basée sur Debian). J'ai récupéré une petite tour avec CM, cpu, alim, ... j'y ai mis un petit ssd pour l'OS et 2 HD de 4To (miroring). Certes, il faut faire la configuration mais c'est ce qui fait son intérêt. Au travail tous nos NAS

Re: Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-27 Thread Gaëtan Perrier
Bonjour, Je ne vais pas répondre à toutes tes interrogations mais juste partager ma toute petite expérience. J'ai un NAS Synology 4 baies (DS918+). Pourquoi avoir choisi un NAS tout fait plutôt que d'en monter un à base d'une debian ? En premier pour l'intégration ! C'est tout petit ça ne

Intérêt d’un « NAS » commercial ou open source ?

2023-07-27 Thread RogerT
Bonjour, J’ai eu l’occasion de manipuler quelques « NAS » commerciaux (un serveur avec une baie…). Dont qnap et synology (basé sur debian). Le matériel neuf fait bonne figure. Le GUI est censé simplifier la vie de l’administrateur, mais de mon expérience la lui complique et le ralentit,

Re: New open source project

2023-06-12 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 12:26:35PM +0200, the2nd wrote: > i am developing an open source OTP authentication server and currently > searching for someone to test it. I hope its okay to ask for this on this > list. > > There is no documentation yet but i can write a step by step gui

New open source project

2023-06-12 Thread the2nd
Hi, i am developing an open source OTP authentication server and currently searching for someone to test it. I hope its okay to ask for this on this list. There is no documentation yet but i can write a step by step guide if someone is interested in testing my project. Installation

Sat/Sun @Geldrop (Eindhoven, NL): T-DOSE Open Source Event

2023-04-20 Thread J.A. Bezemer
Hi all, This Saturday and Sunday, Debian has a booth at the T-DOSE "Technical Dutch Open Source Event" in Geldrop, The Netherlands. Join us to discuss all things Debian, meet people from other projects, and listen to interesting talks on many subjects. Entrance is free! More i

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-18 Thread riveravaldez
On Thursday, September 15, 2022, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >> > I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the >> > work they do fixing bugs, and by

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-16 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/16/22 12:05 AM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-15 17:56, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >>> I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-15 17:56, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the >>> work they do fixing bugs, and by

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/22 6:29 PM, Lee wrote: > On 9/15/22, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > > > So I have to pay someone lots of money to fix a problem I already know how > > to fix? > > I don't think you really understand my use case very well. > > I surely don't. If you know how to fix whatever why haven't you

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/22 11:45 AM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-14 23:23, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: > >> > >> On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I'll be brutally honest:

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Lee
On 9/15/22, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > So I have to pay someone lots of money to fix a problem I already know how > to fix? > I don't think you really understand my use case very well. I surely don't. If you know how to fix whatever why haven't you fixed it already? Lee

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the > > work they do fixing bugs, and by compensation I mean money. > > It's a very tricky subject to

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Maude Summerside wrote: > > > On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers > >> to

Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the > work they do fixing bugs, and by compensation I mean money. It's a very tricky subject to propose to start paying (some?) people in what was

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 23:23, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: >> >> On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" unwilligness

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Jude DaShiell
. > > Thanks Stefan, it's great to see that some people understand the > issues. > > I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers > to spend their time on issues. > > I thi

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers >> to spend their time on issues. > >

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/22 6:16 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Stefan wrote: > In article you > write: > >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, > >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to > >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > > > >I think

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers to spend their time on issues. Especially when it's an ongoing pattern of discourse.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 17:06, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: >> This is where intellectual shortcut starts... >> Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. >> There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains >> right to commercial licensing. Just look at

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
Stefan wrote: In article you write: >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > >I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will also have

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: This is where intellectual shortcut starts... Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains right to commercial licensing. Just look at libraries, some of them will be in such a licensing term that

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 08:31, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> For example, most web >>> browsers are based on chromium, a free oss project that comes in large part >>> from >>> Google, but some of the most-used browsers in the world based on chromium >>> are proprietary, such as chrome and edge. >> I am

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
People of debian-user :) This thread does seem to be degenerating slightly into accusations and name-calling, justified or not. Without prejudice to anyone: please may I remind you that debian-user and all Debian lists and IRC channels are subject to the Debian Code of Conduct. It would be very

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
es. But on this thread, he also behaved like a troll and caused me to also behave like a troll. That is a fact, if anyone wants to take the time to look at what he said, the things he omitted in his replies, etc. I especially noted his response to my introduction of the idea in this thread that ope

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > > > > I am fairly sure I was a victim of > > the breach of Yahoo that affected hundreds of millions of its users. > I am sorry for you. I do not know this case, so I cannot tell whether > OSS or CSS

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is >>> Linus Torvalds [...] >> >> I don't

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > > Linus Torvalds [...] > > I don't know what your aim is. > > I have the impression that it's

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 7:08 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > > Please STOP! > > > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > > translations than by

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
ailed sometimes > because I intend to create the perfect solution and thus not > progressing, whereas in the work for money I am often forced to > implement a working solution I can tell from the start, it will not be > easily maintainable or extendable. > > to think the situ

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 6:47 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the software actually do, or

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:38 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The users. They stop using software or any product that does not work > > well or is more trouble than it is worth. Then the entity, whether > > a free/oss or proprietary provider ends up shutting down > > the enterprise. > > But, being Free

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread debian-user
> On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > Please STOP! > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > translations than by writing to this mailing-list I agree with the sentiments of

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > Linus Torvalds [...] I don't know what your aim is. I have the impression that it's just arguing for arguing's sake [1]. My time is too short to

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Thiemo Kellner
to implement a working solution I can tell from the start, it will not be easily maintainable or extendable. to think the situation might be better if either 1) open source projects exercised more oversight than they currently do over the persons who actually write the code and release

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Larry Martell
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 3:48 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the software

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:31 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, > > possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to > > apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > > I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 12.09.22 um 19:47 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > "Open Source Software is accessible to all means it can be used and > > misused. > > And, that’s where it turns unconstructive for us. With OSS, we can expect > > ha

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 12.09.22 um 19:47 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: "Open Source Software is accessible to all means it can be used and misused. And, that’s where it turns unconstructive for us. With OSS, we can expect harm, virus transfer, identity burglary, and many other malicious practices to

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > Please STOP! > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not like this. > you will better contribute with your code or with your translations than by > writing to this mailing-list The problem is, with all due respect, that I do

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread err404
Please STOP! you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your translations than by writing to this mailing-list I want you kicked from this list.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
d advocates of free/oss software like > >Debian > >who think that it is good for free/oss software if the persons who volunteer > >to develop and maintain free software like Debian can ignore bugs reported > >to them > >and refuse to fix them. > > Here's the thing

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
that there are supposed advocates of free/oss software like Debian who think that it is good for free/oss software if the persons who volunteer to develop and maintain free software like Debian can ignore bugs reported to them and refuse to fix them. Here's the thing: it's open source. If you think it's

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 2:02 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:42:12PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >Software projects today, IIUC, are communities. The "volunteers" should do > >what the community > >wants, not necessarily what you or I want. Do you think the free/oss > >software

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:42:12PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: Software projects today, IIUC, are communities. The "volunteers" should do what the community wants, not necessarily what you or I want. Do you think the free/oss software community wants volunteers who ignore bugs or refuse to

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Tim Woodall
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if the "volunteers" in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported to them. Pretty much everything worked for this grub bug other than some unfortunate

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 12:36 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if > > the "volunteers" > > in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if > the "volunteers" > in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported to them. Hm. I doubt that. Perhaps they will do more

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
hether a free/oss or proprietary provider ends up shutting down the enterprise. > You do realize that nobody enforces that on > proprietary software either, right? The users do, in the marketplace - and what is not used by enough users eventually disappears. > THIS IS NOT A CH

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 11:44 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
alize that nobody enforces that on proprietary software either, right? THIS IS NOT A CHARACTERISTIC THAT DISTINGUISHES OPEN SOURCE AND CLOSED SOURCE SOFTWARE. Given that, continuing this discussion seems silly. (Especially since it appears that you'll simply to repeat your original assertion, mista

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > > > SLAs for free" > > If the

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > > SLAs for free" If the requirement that maintainers and developers of free/oss software must actually fix

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > SLAs for free" Had I a printer, I'd print out this, frame it and hang it on the wall. This makes the point very nicely :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
often said about the > >advantages > >and disadvantages of free, open-source software that is maintained by > >volunteers is > >true: > > No, it's a misguided conclusion that isn't supported by facts. I can > think of any number of bugs in closed source soft

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
is of grave or important severity to me is not necessarily of grave or critical severity to the official Debian maintainers and developers. I wish to merely point out that what is often said about the advantages and disadvantages of free, open-source software that is maintained by volunteers is true

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-12 at 14:50, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 1:58 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> I wish to merely point out that what is often said about the >>> advantages and disadvantages of free, open-source s

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
Debian bug that affects me that > > continues to be ignored, so I admit I have an attitude about that. I > > accept that what is of grave or important severity to me is not > > necessarily of grave or critical severity to the official Debian > > maintainers and developers. I wish

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > [...] A disadvantage is that often the priorities of the developers who > release > free, open source software are not always the same as the priorities of any > particular > user [...] This might have

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
at is of grave or important severity to me is not > necessarily of grave or critical severity to the official Debian > maintainers and developers. I wish to merely point out that what is > often said about the advantages and disadvantages of free, > open-source software that is maintained by

Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
maintainer is now on the case. Still, there is another Debian bug that affects me that continues to be ignored, so I admit I have an attitude about that. I accept that what is of grave or important severity to me is not necessarily of grave or critical severity to the official Debian main

Re: netperf / MIT License is not open source?

2022-08-15 Thread Lee
On 8/14/22, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2022 14 Aug 09:09 -0500, Lee wrote: >> On 8/14/22, David Wright wrote: >> > On Sat 13 Aug 2022 at 19:23:46 (+0100), piorunz wrote: >> >> On 13/08/2022 18:30, Lee wrote: >> >> > I just noticed that the netperf package is in the [non-free] >> >> > repository

Re: netperf / MIT License is not open source?

2022-08-14 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 14 Aug 09:09 -0500, Lee wrote: > On 8/14/22, David Wright wrote: > > On Sat 13 Aug 2022 at 19:23:46 (+0100), piorunz wrote: > >> On 13/08/2022 18:30, Lee wrote: > >> > I just noticed that the netperf package is in the [non-free] repository > >> >

Re: netperf / MIT License is not open source?

2022-08-14 Thread Lee
On 8/14/22, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 13 Aug 2022 at 19:23:46 (+0100), piorunz wrote: >> On 13/08/2022 18:30, Lee wrote: >> > I just noticed that the netperf package is in the [non-free] repository >> >https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/netperf >> > which seems wrong. <.. snip ..> >> It

Re: netperf / MIT License is not open source?

2022-08-14 Thread Lee
On 8/13/22, piorunz wrote: > On 13/08/2022 18:30, Lee wrote: >> I just noticed that the netperf package is in the [non-free] repository >>https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/netperf >> which seems wrong. >> >> Is the MIT license really not compatible with

Re: netperf / MIT License is not open source?

2022-08-14 Thread piorunz
On 14/08/2022 05:42, David Wright wrote: The version in bullseye looks as if it was built on 15 November 2020 … Perhaps package needs updating in Debian repository  … and has not yet needed upgrading for bookworm AFAICT (amd64). https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1003833

Re: netperf / MIT License is not open source?

2022-08-13 Thread David Wright
MIT license really not compatible with open source or is the > > netperf package using outdated licensing info or .. what? > > Very interesting. I don't know about this specific package, but MIT in > general is allowed in DSFG. > > For example, this package is full MIT and it

Re: netperf / MIT License is not open source?

2022-08-13 Thread piorunz
On 13/08/2022 18:30, Lee wrote: I just noticed that the netperf package is in the [non-free] repository https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/netperf which seems wrong. Is the MIT license really not compatible with open source or is the netperf package using outdated licensing info or .. what

netperf / MIT License is not open source?

2022-08-13 Thread Lee
I just noticed that the netperf package is in the [non-free] repository https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/netperf which seems wrong. Is the MIT license really not compatible with open source or is the netperf package using outdated licensing info or .. what? The debian package copyright

OT: PHP altijd "open source"?

2022-07-14 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Hallo, Ik ben bezig met een site met WooCommerce, Wordpress, en betaalsystemen zoals Ideal en creditcard-betalingen. Nu gebruik ik graag open source software, waarmee ik bedoel dat de sourcecode te bestuderen is. Mijn vraag is: die Wordpress plugins zijn toch PHP, dat is toch een

Re: Nvidia graphic card and newer kernels (open source driver)

2021-06-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
This is a bit old, but... On 2021-04-24 15:37:28 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > Vincent Lefevre composed on 2021-04-24 21:05 (UTC+0200): > > > Yes, very bad experience with the nouveau driver (I haven't tried > > recently with the latest kernels, but my bug reports remained > > unanswered), which

Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source.

2021-05-18 Thread deloptes
Karen Lewellen wrote: > Clearly sent privately by mistake. you are stupid asshole - I explicitly said I post in private

Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source.

2021-05-18 Thread deloptes
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Disregarding someone's request for privacy is rather disrespectful. > > When that happens for me, I reply with something that says, ~"keep it on > the list, please" Thank you

Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source.

2021-05-18 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 08:00:27 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > For me personally, I have been through too many sex assault's I am sorry to hear that.

Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source.

2021-05-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
Oh I can respect your stance, even if I do not fully resonate. If one wants privacy, best to say so, at the top, not several pages down. For me personally, I have been through too many sex assault's not to insure my request not to be contacted off list gets ignored, even if I am the only

Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source.

2021-05-18 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 05:53:19 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > Clearly sent privately by mistake. ... > > I send this in private, because of my private opinion here. I would > > prefer we discuss this in private and perhaps you can convince me that > > it is worth the effort. I do not know this

Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source.

2021-05-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
Clearly sent privately by mistake. In context a bit. On Tue, 18 May 2021, deloptes wrote: No - they start and run it until government=tax payers money flows in Really? Can you please point me to governmental funded Linux projects for any disability population? I will share your list with

Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source.

2021-05-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
Microsoft to makes its tts engine eloquence, open source. https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-open-source-eti-eloquence If this resonates, please sign and circulate. its one of those ??situations where adaptive technology and general technology can intersect in a positive way. It resonates a lot

Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source.

2021-05-17 Thread deloptes
deloptes wrote: > It resonates a lot - as I wrote thesis on dialogue systems and I got very > disappointed by the facts I came across. IMO all technologies that were > financed with public money (i.e. DARPA) should be made publicly available. > In fact AFAIK there is only one engine (the mother

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