Re: Evolution & ThunderBird
Am 21.06.2024 um 13:57:11 Uhr schrieb CHRIS M: > And I like how for POP3 accounts, each email is stored as an > individual file, vs being shoved into a binary .mbx file that could > get corrupted at any time! This is possible for IMAP too, e.g. with the Maildir format. -- Gruß Marco Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1718971031mu...@cartoonies.org
Re: Evolution & ThunderBird
On Wednesday 19 June 2024 04:00:44 pm Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > My brain keeps wanting to note that e.g. Gmail used to make us jump > through painful hoops to use desktop programs like Evolution. That > didn't happen for me this time, but maybe other email providers still > have the detail that needs addressed on their online end and that isn't > seen while setting up an Evolution account (versus other email > programs). > Do you use POP or IMAP with GMAIL? I love Evolution for email, since I was a big OUTLOOK user back in my Windows days! And I like how for POP3 accounts, each email is stored as an individual file, vs being shoved into a binary .mbx file that could get corrupted at any time! THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com ~* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~* *~~1 TB SSD*~~ ~*15.5 GiB of ram*~ ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~ ~FYI, TDE is a continuation of KDE 3.x ~ ~ Q4OS is based off of the latest Debian Version~
Re: Evolution & ThunderBird
On Wed, 2024-06-19 at 15:16 -0400, Jerry Mellon wrote: > > Hello, > > New user having trouble with evolution. I think that I have it setup > correctly, but it will not login > > to my email accounts. At the bottom of screen it is scanning the email > server from my login but then > > a box pops up indicating that there was an error trying to login and > asks for the password, which I supply and box closes only to return > shortly with the same response. > I have used the account on my other system and no problem so the > account is OK. > > I tried to download Thunderbird to give it a try but it is missing > some dependencies an will not > load. Hi.. I started using Evolution several months ago. Am still working out some kinks myself. I just test drove adding a second mail account for a same user, and it started walking me through that process. What about trying that for the same account that's failing right now? What I'm thinking is maybe there was a quiet typo, a missed field, or something. I say that because I'm having an awful time seeing the characters I'm typing here on mine. I've had typos galore in two emails. You could give your favorite email a new (second) account name, see if it works, delete the first account if the second one works, and then rename the second to the first account name that is presumed memorable. If a second account ends up working, make sure to click through that "hamburger" or whatever official method exists to delete the first account. In other words, don't just delete the name in the folder hierarchy wherever you're seeing it (mine's a directory tree on the left). My brain keeps wanting to note that e.g. Gmail used to make us jump through painful hoops to use desktop programs like Evolution. That didn't happen for me this time, but maybe other email providers still have the detail that needs addressed on their online end and that isn't seen while setting up an Evolution account (versus other email programs). That inspires me to then say, if I was stuck in this situation, I'd do a quick Internet search for my specific email provider along with keywords like Linux AND Evolution to cut down on false positive returns. Maybe someone has already presented a detailed step-by-step how-to after their own fails at this. Just thinking out loud. I'll say this, Evolution email has real-l-l-ly worked out for me _this time_ after I had not had a good experience with it multiple times in the past. Cindy :) -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with backups of Evolution just in case (click that hamburger to find backup and restore under "File") *
Evolution & ThunderBird
Hello, New user having trouble with evolution. I think that I have it setup correctly, but it will not login to my email accounts. At the bottom of screen it is scanning the email server from my login but then a box pops up indicating that there was an error trying to login and asks for the password, which I supply and box closes only to return shortly with the same response. I have used the account on my other system and no problem so the account is OK. I tried to download Thunderbird to give it a try but it is missing some dependencies an will not load. -- Jerry Mellon 501 Los Caminos St St Augustine FL 32095 407.461.9216 jfmel...@netscape.net
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On 2024-06-03, Chris M wrote: > > Thunderbird is the name of a cheap wine? > A mutt is a mongrel dog, if that adds anything to the conversation.
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On Tue 04 Jun 2024 at 09:30:53 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 03/06/2024 23:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used > > . . . except for *every other* email reader (without a single > > exception) I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that > > have no way to disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way > > to send properly formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try > > to trick you into top-posting > > When I read this first time I decided that the complain[t] applies to > thunderbird as well. In thunderbird it is configurable. However I > admit that some complications may exist depending on precise > definition of "properly formatted plain-text-only emails". Well, I can imagine some business/legal-oriented MUA that would react to attempts to correct a typo in the "original message", let alone interpolating responses into it, with complaints of tampering, or threats of reporting you to the legal department. I guess top-posting is de rigueur in those environments. Cheers, David.
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On Mon 03 Jun 2024 at 14:08:46 (-0500), Chris M wrote: > I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox > format to store emails. > It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client. > > Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox > a certain size? > or a certain amount of emails per folder etc? > > The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1 > on Windows 10. And you had > to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption. > > I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done > reading emails. AIUI the critical issue here is how and where the active INBOX is stored, as you have no control on when an incoming email is going to arrive. I pay the professionals who host my domain to handle that for me, and then I access the INBOX with IMAP, using mutt as my MUA. If you use mbox, then you need to make sure that file-locking is working with every program involved in delivery, filtering etc. I've trusted mutt for over 25 years with my local mbox files. Size isn't an issue AFAICT, with individual boxes up to 500MB with 7000 entries. Meanwhile IMAP is handling a 600MB and 38000 entry INBOX. Cheers, David.
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On 03/06/2024 23:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . . except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting When I read this first time I decided that the complains applies to thunderbird as well. In thunderbird it is configurable. However I admit that some complications may exist depending on precise definition of "properly formatted plain-text-only emails".
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On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 15:25:12 -0400 e...@gmx.us wrote: > The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. > They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's > creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly > out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it > came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. Possibly sore or all of the various Thunderbirds out there were named for the Native American mythological creatures called thunderbirds. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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On Tue, Jun 04, 2024 at 03:45:11AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 4/6/24 03:25, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > > (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air > > > Force named > > > its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) > > > > The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They > > were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation > > wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. > > The > > Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The > > email client though, no excuse for that one. > > > > But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(mythology) The thunderbird is a legendary creature particular to North American indigenous peoples' history and culture. It is considered a supernatural being of power and strength. I'm pretty sure this one wins the age contest.
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On 4/6/24 04:30, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/3/24 15:45, Bret Busby wrote: On 4/6/24 03:25, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope? You mean this series? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series) "Supermarionation" ? A country of Super Mario's? ARRGH! Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
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debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Chris M wrote: I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day. Claws forwards mails with a text/html part just fine. What's your actual problem with it? When the recipient gets the email it looks jumbled and like the days USPS mail scans are at the very bottom of the email. instead of under the right headers Its very weird looking. I would just about have to show you for you to get it. THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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On 6/3/24 15:45, Bret Busby wrote: On 4/6/24 03:25, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope? You mean this series? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series) Looks like it came out in 1964, so the USAF team, wine, and car did. It's probable Gallo Thunderbird was fairly unknown in 1960s UK, so they're off the hook. -- Save the willing first. -- a friend of Traveling-Techie on Reddit
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Chris M wrote: > I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails > with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning > letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day. Claws forwards mails with a text/html part just fine. What's your actual problem with it?
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On 4/6/24 03:25, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope? Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
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On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. https://drunkard.com/whats-the-word-thunderbird/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(wine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_Thunderbirds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird -- When I were a lad, if grandpa caught us double sigging, it's be straight to bed with no bread and butter after a good thrashing. -- Peter Radcliffe on ASR
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I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox format to store emails. It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client. Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a certain size? or a certain amount of emails per folder etc? The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1 on Windows 10. And you had to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption. I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done reading emails. Right now my "2024 Archives" folder is at: Number Of Messages: 4776 Size: 300 MB THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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James H. H. Lampert wrote: I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email reader that's named after a cheap wine. In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . . except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting, and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste finite processor resources by insisting on checking your email even when closed. Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park. -- JHHL (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) Thunderbird is the name of a cheap wine? I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day. THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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Bret Busby wrote: > On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email > > reader that's named after a cheap wine. > > > > ? USA-centric reference. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavored_fortified_wine -dsr-
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 2:14 PM Bret Busby wrote: > > On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email > > reader that's named after a cheap wine. > > ? Thunderbird wine was extremely inexpensive and 42 proof. In retrospect I'm a bit surprised that I've never tried it. Ripple, yes. Boone’s Farm, yes. Thunderbird? no. Lee
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On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email reader that's named after a cheap wine. ? Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
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I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email reader that's named after a cheap wine. In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . . except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting, and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste finite processor resources by insisting on checking your email even when closed. Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park. -- JHHL (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
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Bret Busby wrote: On 3/6/24 04:14, Chris M wrote: Felix Miata wrote: It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. < SNIP > BACK STORY: This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail list: Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me download it" Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-( But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved Netscape Navigator email client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-) I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even remember when that happened? 2008? 2009? So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were TINY TINY TINY. Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to "VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE" and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8. "Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64" Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference! I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling to Seamonkey? I use SeaMonkey, with javash*** disabled. Uses much less resources, and, less likely to crash. I use Fartyfox for stuff that requires javash***, and, in that, I have a number of security and privacy add-ons; I think, for SeaMonkey, I have only the Bluhell firewall add-on and the English-GB dictionary. I have and use multiple other web browsers, including Epiphany, Vivaldi, and Pale Moon (which I have not used for a while), but, mainly use SeaMonkey and Fartyfox. For email, I use Tbird as a webmail kind of application, for viewing and responding to recent email, and, for downloading email, storing, archiving, and, responding to old email, I use the most powerful email application that I have found; alpine, previously known as pine. I use claws mail for one of my email accounts that does not have much throughput. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. I've got a soft spot for Evolution ( Due to loving the OLD Outlook-- Circa 2003) and now SeaMonkey. Claws-Mail is " eh, okay" but makes forwarding emails with HTML in them a PITA. THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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Bret Busby wrote: Hello, Chris. We appear to be 13 hours ahead of you (see my signature), so, the time here, is now about 0430. I am a creature of the night. OH man, 4:30 AM! That's way too early for me! Andika? Search for it in Synaptic... :) I am not sure whether apt find still works. Package name is fonts-sil-andika I use only the basic Andika font. Ah, okay... Thanks! THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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On 3/6/24 04:14, Chris M wrote: Felix Miata wrote: It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. < SNIP > BACK STORY: This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail list: Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me download it" Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-( But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved Netscape Navigator email client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-) I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even remember when that happened? 2008? 2009? So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were TINY TINY TINY. Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to "VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE" and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8. "Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64" Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference! I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling to Seamonkey? I use SeaMonkey, with javash*** disabled. Uses much less resources, and, less likely to crash. I use Fartyfox for stuff that requires javash***, and, in that, I have a number of security and privacy add-ons; I think, for SeaMonkey, I have only the Bluhell firewall add-on and the English-GB dictionary. I have and use multiple other web browsers, including Epiphany, Vivaldi, and Pale Moon (which I have not used for a while), but, mainly use SeaMonkey and Fartyfox. For email, I use Tbird as a webmail kind of application, for viewing and responding to recent email, and, for downloading email, storing, archiving, and, responding to old email, I use the most powerful email application that I have found; alpine, previously known as pine. I use claws mail for one of my email accounts that does not have much throughput. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
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On 3/6/24 03:56, Chris M wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following. In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings), I have Fonts for (Latin) Proportional: (Sans-serif) Size (20) Serif: Andika Sans-serif: Andika Monospace: Andika Size (20) Font Control Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it) But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They seem to work for me. Minimum font size: 20 G'DAY BRET! ( err, its prob the middle of the night over there) It's 2:54 PM CDT here in the US. But Anyhoo: Interesting, I don't have that "Andika" font on my PC. Where did you find that font at? Hello, Chris. We appear to be 13 hours ahead of you (see my signature), so, the time here, is now about 0430. I am a creature of the night. Andika? Search for it in Synaptic... :) I am not sure whether apt find still works. Package name is fonts-sil-andika I use only the basic Andika font. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
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Felix Miata wrote: It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. < SNIP > BACK STORY: This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail list: Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me download it" Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-( But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved Netscape Navigator email client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-) I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even remember when that happened? 2008? 2009? So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were TINY TINY TINY. Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to "VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE" and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8. "Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64" Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference! I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling to Seamonkey? THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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Bret Busby wrote: For Language Choose the languages used to display menus, messages, and notifications from Thunderbird. I have set English (GB) which, I expect, will confound anything that tries to impose characters that are not what I want. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) . So, I am guessing that any ENGLISH speaking country uses UTF-8? US, GB ( Canada, Australia, Probably South Africa, uses GB for spell checking) If not, then what happens to my email? Is it shown in a different font, than what you have specified on your end? THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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Darac Marjal wrote: It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. Good Point! THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
[ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
Bret Busby wrote: Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following. In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings), I have Fonts for (Latin) Proportional: (Sans-serif) Size (20) Serif: Andika Sans-serif: Andika Monospace: Andika Size (20) Font Control Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it) But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They seem to work for me. Minimum font size: 20 G'DAY BRET! ( err, its prob the middle of the night over there) It's 2:54 PM CDT here in the US. But Anyhoo: Interesting, I don't have that "Andika" font on my PC. Where did you find that font at? THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
[ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
UPDATE: I might of found a solution to my problem: I somehow stumbled across: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/no-small-text/?src=search Then launched Seamonkey browser and set the " NO SMALL TEXT" settings to: https://imgur.com/a/DvJaTeG If you're in the US scroll down to " WESTERN FONTS" and set it to: https://imgur.com/a/Zdvt0eB And... VIOLA! https://imgur.com/a/PaidqMN THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
Darac Marjal composed on 2024-06-02T20:01 (UTC+0100):
> Chris M wrote:
>> I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the
>> text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't
>> figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without
>> having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
>> Any ideas on how?
> It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird
> allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
> you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
> can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
> for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
> Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
> if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
> be using the font you think you've set.
Font size prefs are in file prefs.js in the profile's root directory. I'll bet
Darac's list is much shorter than mine:
> grep font.size prefs.js
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-central-euro", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-cyrillic", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-unicode", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-user-def", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-western", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.zh-CN", 18);
user_pref("font.size.variable.ja", 18);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-central-euro", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-cyrillic", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-unicode", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-user-def", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-western", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.zh-CN", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.zh-HK", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.zh-TW", 20);
>
Open about:config to see those that remain at 16 or 12 default grossly outnumber
any you have set. The file only contains those that have been changed from
default
16 for variable and 12 or 13 for fixed. About:config lists all that are provided
by default.
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
On 3/6/24 03:01, Darac Marjal wrote: On 02/06/2024 19:03, Chris M wrote: I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails. Any ideas on how? It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. Here is an example: Original: https://imgur.com/a/mFfgBLh After hitting "CTRL +" 1 time: https://imgur.com/a/eK1mERq For Language Choose the languages used to display menus, messages, and notifications from Thunderbird. I have set English (GB) which, I expect, will confound anything that tries to impose characters that are not what I want. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
On 02/06/2024 19:03, Chris M wrote: I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails. Any ideas on how? It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. Here is an example: Original: https://imgur.com/a/mFfgBLh After hitting "CTRL +" 1 time: https://imgur.com/a/eK1mERq THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~ OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
On 3/6/24 02:47, Bret Busby wrote: On 3/6/24 02:31, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/2/24 14:03, Chris M wrote: I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails. Any ideas on how? Yeah, I usually have to hit ^+ 4-5 times to make the text a reasonable size. I don't know why. Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following. In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings), I have Fonts for (Latin) Proportional: (Sans-serif) Size (20) Serif: Andika Sans-serif: Andika Monospace: Andika Size (20) Font Control Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it) But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They seem to work for me. Minimum font size: 20 Sorry - two sets of things that I missed in my above message. 1, In the Edit -> Settings, it is further -> General -> Language and Appearance -> Fonts and Colours -> Advanced (with Default font set to Andika, Default font size set to 20) 2. Also, further to the above setting, is the part Plain Text Messages Display emoticons as graphics (I have that checked, but others may not so want it) When displaying quoted plain text messages: Style: (Regular) Size: (Regular) Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
On 3/6/24 02:31, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/2/24 14:03, Chris M wrote: I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails. Any ideas on how? Yeah, I usually have to hit ^+ 4-5 times to make the text a reasonable size. I don't know why. Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following. In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings), I have Fonts for (Latin) Proportional: (Sans-serif) Size (20) Serif: Andika Sans-serif: Andika Monospace: Andika Size (20) Font Control Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it) But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They seem to work for me. Minimum font size: 20 Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
On 6/2/24 14:03, Chris M wrote: I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails. Any ideas on how? Yeah, I usually have to hit ^+ 4-5 times to make the text a reasonable size. I don't know why. -- My sympathy for your plight is directly proportional to your ability to accept reality. -- 2020-07-27
Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails. Any ideas on how? Here is an example: Original: https://imgur.com/a/mFfgBLh After hitting "CTRL +" 1 time: https://imgur.com/a/eK1mERq THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
Re: Thunderbird inbox malfunction
Paul D Schmitt wrote on 2/14/24 10:49: After an upgrade of Debian 11 yesterday, Thunderbird 115.7.0 now has an inbox issue where the listings move making it difficult to save or delete them! I had this exact issue with Debian based Antix 22 after a recent upgrade. That problem was resolved by a subsequent upgrade from Thunderbird. I haven't seen any response to this, so I just thought I'd confirm to you for your peace of mind that there is indeed a problem (or several problems) of some sort, and it's not just you who is experiencing it/them. Following the last update of TB here, it's been awful to try to work with the view of messages. I don't know how they could have released it in such a horrible state, but am assuming that the next update will fix the problem(s). Doc -- Web: http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans
Thunderbird inbox malfunction
After an upgrade of Debian 11 yesterday, Thunderbird 115.7.0 now has an inbox issue where the listings move making it difficult to save or delete them! I had this exact issue with Debian based Antix 22 after a recent upgrade. That problem was resolved by a subsequent upgrade from Thunderbird.
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 16/01/2024 12:36, David Christensen wrote: My Debian, Thunderbird, and message filters are working very well. :-) My experience is that enough garbage appears in thunderbird profiles after several years of usage. Unsubscribed NNTP groups, IMAP caches that thunderbird considered corrupted, so another one with -1 suffix appear, server-side changes of folder name encodings, etc. One complaint is that Mozilla included whitespace in file and directory names, which we all know causes grief when using the shell: .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders While thunderbird is not running, you may try to rename the profile inside prefs.js and the directory on the disk. I have no idea if global search index will be affected by such rename. .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/Unsent Messages.msf .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/Unsent Messages It should be possible to use another folder for this purpose. .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/Deleted Messages.msf Thunderbird may use another folder. Perhaps server might insist that such name must exist. It should be possible to unsubscribe from this folder, but I would not call it a bullet-proof solution.
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/15/24 18:32, Max Nikulin wrote: On 16/01/2024 04:19, David Christensen wrote: $ ll -1 .thunderbird/dpchrist/*/*/msgFilterRules.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 25 2024-01-15 12:50:34 .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 1011 2024-01-15 13:07:32 .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat I have realized that I may be wrong. I confused november.he-3.net and november.he.net-3. Perhaps november.he-1.net was obtained from your email using an autoconfiguration protocol. However I am still surprised that 2 ImapMail directories have been updated. If you are interested in going deeper, I would check modification time of various files under november.he*.net and would had a look into .thunderbird/dpchrist/prefs.js. Currently used dirs are like mail.server.server1.directory (with various numbers). There are some open bugs related to changing server name, e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1483485 however I am unsure that any of them may be relevant to your configuration. My Debian, Thunderbird, and message filters are working very well. :-) One complaint is that Mozilla included whitespace in file and directory names, which we all know causes grief when using the shell: 2024-01-15 21:33:56 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist/ -name '* *' | grep -v dpchrist- .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/Unsent Messages.msf .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/Unsent Messages .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/Deleted Messages.msf .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/Sent Messages.msf .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/Junk E-mail.msf David
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 16/01/2024 04:19, David Christensen wrote: $ ll -1 .thunderbird/dpchrist/*/*/msgFilterRules.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 25 2024-01-15 12:50:34 .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 1011 2024-01-15 13:07:32 .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat I have realized that I may be wrong. I confused november.he-3.net and november.he.net-3. Perhaps november.he-1.net was obtained from your email using an autoconfiguration protocol. However I am still surprised that 2 ImapMail directories have been updated. If you are interested in going deeper, I would check modification time of various files under november.he*.net and would had a look into .thunderbird/dpchrist/prefs.js. Currently used dirs are like mail.server.server1.directory (with various numbers). There are some open bugs related to changing server name, e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1483485 however I am unsure that any of them may be relevant to your configuration.
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/15/24 06:08, Max Nikulin wrote: On 15/01/2024 08:25, David Christensen wrote: /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-3.net/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-2.net/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat These set of directories might mean that thunderbird had issues with the november.he.net account and only one from this set contains actual data, others might be almost garbage consuming disk space due to stale offline message cache. I am unsure concerning profile directory structure if multiple accounts are created for different users on the same server. Today, I exited Thunderbird, reviewed all of the message filter data files, combined all of the code into one file, and removed the other files: 2024-01-15 12:50:13 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ ll -1 .thunderbird/dpchrist/*/*/msgFilterRules.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 1011 2024-01-15 12:43:39 .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat 2024-01-15 12:50:51 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat version="9" logging="no" name="nuke" enabled="yes" type="17" action="Move to folder" actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske@november.he.net/nuke" action="Stop execution" condition="OR (from,contains,@domain.name) OR (from,contains,user@domain.name2)" name="Inbox-copy" enabled="yes" type="17" action="Copy to folder" actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske@november.he.net/Inbox-copy" condition="ALL" The first filter looks for messages from specific domains or from specific users. Matching messages are moved to the IMAP folder "nuke" and no more filters are applied to that message. The second filter copies all other incoming messages to the IMAP folder "Inbox-copy". This provides me with a backup of my incoming messages. (My outgoing messages are backed up to another e-mail account via Edit -> Account Settings -> dpchr...@holgerdanske.com -> Copies & Folders -> When sending messages, automatically -> Bcc these email addresses -> redacted.u...@redacted.domain.name.) Using Thunderbird -> Tools -> Message Filters -> Filters for -> dpchr...@holgerdanske.com, I see a filter "SpamAssassinYes" and then the two filters defined above. When I close the Message Filters dialog and exit Thunderbird, I see: 2024-01-15 12:57:23 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ ll -1 .thunderbird/dpchrist/*/*/msgFilterRules.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 25 2024-01-15 12:50:34 .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 1011 2024-01-15 13:07:32 .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 25 2024-01-15 12:50:36 '.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat' Two new files have appeared: 2024-01-15 13:07:39 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat version="9" logging="no" 2024-01-15 13:08:20 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ cat '.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat' version="9" logging="no" David
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 15/01/2024 08:25, David Christensen wrote: /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-3.net/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-2.net/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat These set of directories might mean that thunderbird had issues with the november.he.net account and only one from this set contains actual data, others might be almost garbage consuming disk space due to stale offline message cache. I am unsure concerning profile directory structure if multiple accounts are created for different users on the same server.
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 14/01/2024 20:10, Felix Miata wrote: Most likely the location is the same as in SeaMonkey, where there is one filter file per account, which is by default, thus: /home/username/.mozilla/profilename/Mail/smtp-name/msgFilterRules.dat I believe in TB the default may be: /home/username/.thunderbird/profilename/Mail/smtp-name/msgFilterRules.dat Mozilla profiles located in other locations are supported. They need not be anywhere in /home/ if properly configured and permissioned. I generally stay away from Gene threads, because they lead to nowhere, but I found out that in the same directory that msgFilterRules.dat resides there's a filterlog.html file that might contain information about run filters. (I can't say for sure because I don't use Thunderbird filters.) Unfortunately, Gene may have already deleted his whole home directory, including ~/.thunderbird (or not - who knows), so the log is gone. In my system the directory is actually ~/.thunderbird//ImapMail//msgFilterRules.dat -- You are destined to become the commandant of the fighting men of the department of transportation. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/14/24 07:56, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote: find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' [sudo] password for gene: ./libreoffice/registry/graphicfilter.xcd ./libreoffice/registry/xsltfilter.xcd ./fonts/conf.d/11-lcdfilter-default.conf ./xdg/kshorturifilterrc ./alternatives/bogofilter ./bogofilter.cf ./apache2/mods-enabled/filter.load ./apache2/mods-available/filter.load ./apache2/mods-available/ext_filter.load ./modules-load.d/cups-filters.conf gene@coyote:/etc$ I don't see anything thunderbird there. I have some macular degeneration but wouldn't call myself blind, yet... Thanks David. Cheers, Gene Heskett. On 1/14/24 08:09, Arno Lehmann wrote: > why sudo, and why in /etc ? On 1/14/24 14:00, gene heskett wrote: > I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then. You need to tell find(1) where to start searching via the "starting-point" argument This incantation makes it explicit that find(1) should search the ".thunderbird" subdirectory in your home directory: 2024-01-14 16:56:50 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ find $HOME/.thunderbird -iname '*filter*' /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-3.net/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-2.net/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat Once you have found the files, you can look inside for the bug. David
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/14/24 08:13, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 01:57:59 (-0800), David Christensen wrote: On 1/12/24 18:17, gene heskett wrote: On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote: Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration files on my computer: 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~ $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*' .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat Did you choose those (appropriate-looking) names? No. Thunderbird did. David
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/14/24 17:27, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 05:00:09PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: On 1/14/24 11:10, Arno Lehmann wrote: Gene, Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett: On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote: find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' why sudo, and why in /etc ? /etc only because I was there and sudo to get around a whole passel of no permissons. I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then. The arguments after find which don't begin with "-" are the starting point(s). In this case, your command asks find to start in "." which is the current directory. If you were to run something like find /tmp /var -iname '*.log' then it would look for pathnames ending with .log (case-insensitive) starting in /tmp and /var. . I see. I grew into linux 26 years ago, using locate but you have to updatedb first if you want the current state. I should use find more often, its realtime. Thanks Greg. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Thunderbird filters
On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 17:11:01 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/14/24 11:13, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 01:57:59 (-0800), David Christensen wrote: > > > On 1/12/24 18:17, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote: > > > > > > > Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration > > > > > files on my computer: > > > > > > > > > > 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~ > > > > > $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*' > > > > > .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat > > > > > .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat > > > > > .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat > > > > Did you choose those (appropriate-looking) names? > > > that was the other David example, not mine. Precisely. And that's why I asked the question. If David chose them (wisely), then the obviousness of their names may be of no consequence. OTOH if their names (ignoring the directory part) are "standard" ones, chosen by TB, there's a glimmer of a hope that your filters may have similar names, which you can search for. > > > > I have no such directory structure where subbing my id for > > > > dpchrist might hide: > > > > gene@coyote:~/.thunderbird$ ls > > > > 'Crash Reports' f37v8icg.default-default installs.ini > > > > 'Pending Pings' profiles.ini twpgj5qd.default > > > > > > Use find(1) instead of ls(1): > > > > > > $ find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' > > > > Random website: > > > >Create Filter Rules in Mozilla Thunderbird > > > >Let’s go over the steps you need to follow to create Thunderbird rules > > that move messages from a specific sender to a folder: > Most of the "filters" I use (and there are well over a 100 of them) > are based on the src of the mailing list they go into, and were first > made by using a list mail as the filter key, move to such and such > local directory. As to where those filters are stored, I have not > found them. Well, you now know to carry on searching, because you only looked in /etc before. > > Launch Mozilla Thunderbird. > > Open the Tools menu and choose Message Filters. > > Click New to create a new filter. > > Give the filter a suitable name. > > > > … or an unsuitable one? Cheers, David.
Re: Thunderbird filters
Am 14.01.2024 um 23:00 schrieb gene heskett: On 1/14/24 11:10, Arno Lehmann wrote: Gene, Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett: On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote: find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' why sudo, and why in /etc ? /etc only because I was there and sudo to get around a whole passel of no permissons. I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then. It might be helpful if you either started doing exactly what gets proposed, and not something else based upon assumptions. Even better, try to *understand* what you type. The find program, for example, has a decent manual page, and it's a very old unix tool, and thus should be covered in any tutorial, manual, or introduction textbook. I guess today you'll even find youtube videos. Anyway, it seems you already decided your mails are gone, so it's pointless investigating further. Perhaps it would be useful to remove all existing filters, if they tend to delete all your mails. I would even propose to configure yll your mail accounts to avoid removing mails from servers, and probably even see if you can make the mail servers read-only. After all, nearly every program you use seems to insist on deleting your data or at least breaking your software, if not your hardware. Cheers, Arno Thanks Arno Cheers, Arno Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- Arno Lehmann IT-Service Lehmann Sandstr. 6, 49080 Osnabrück
Re: Thunderbird filters
gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 17:11 (UTC-0500): > David Wright wrote: >>Let’s go over the steps you need to follow to create Thunderbird rules >> that move messages from a specific sender to a folder: > Most of the "filters" I use (and there are well over a 100 of them) are > based on the src of the mailing list they go into, and were first made > by using a list mail as the filter key, move to such and such local > directory. as to where those filters are stored, I have not found them. Most likely the location is the same as in SeaMonkey, where there is one filter file per account, which is by default, thus: /home/username/.mozilla/profilename/Mail/smtp-name/msgFilterRules.dat I believe in TB the default may be: /home/username/.thunderbird/profilename/Mail/smtp-name/msgFilterRules.dat Mozilla profiles located in other locations are supported. They need not be anywhere in /home/ if properly configured and permissioned. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Thunderbird filters
On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 05:00:09PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 1/14/24 11:10, Arno Lehmann wrote: > > Gene, > > > > Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett: > > > On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote: > > > > find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' > > > gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' > > > > why sudo, and why in /etc ? > /etc only because I was there and sudo to get around a whole passel of no > permissons. > I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then. The arguments after find which don't begin with "-" are the starting point(s). In this case, your command asks find to start in "." which is the current directory. If you were to run something like find /tmp /var -iname '*.log' then it would look for pathnames ending with .log (case-insensitive) starting in /tmp and /var.
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/14/24 11:45, Max Nikulin wrote: On 13/01/2024 09:17, gene heskett wrote: Go to Thunderbird -> Edit -> Account Settings -> ghesk...@shentel.net -> Server Settings. What is the value of the field "Server Type"? IMAP MAIL Server There is a little chance that messages are still on the server. Set "mark as deleted" for delete action. Messages that have not been pruned may appear overstriked. zero chance I'd say, when it went berzerkly, I sat here trying to stop it while it was busy deleting over 4500 msgs from the server is Seattle. Maybe messages have been moved to "archived". has, or had 1 msg a phishing scam. I think I killed it. yup its empty now. Thank you Max. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/14/24 11:13, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 01:57:59 (-0800), David Christensen wrote: On 1/12/24 18:17, gene heskett wrote: On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote: Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration files on my computer: 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~ $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*' .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat Did you choose those (appropriate-looking) names? that was the other David example, not mine. I have no such directory structure where subbing my id for dpchrist might hide: gene@coyote:~/.thunderbird$ ls 'Crash Reports' f37v8icg.default-default installs.ini 'Pending Pings' profiles.ini twpgj5qd.default Use find(1) instead of ls(1): $ find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' Random website: Create Filter Rules in Mozilla Thunderbird Let’s go over the steps you need to follow to create Thunderbird rules that move messages from a specific sender to a folder: Most of the "filters" I use (and there are well over a 100 of them) are based on the src of the mailing list they go into, and were first made by using a list mail as the filter key, move to such and such local directory. As to where those filters are stored, I have not found them. Launch Mozilla Thunderbird. Open the Tools menu and choose Message Filters. Click New to create a new filter. Give the filter a suitable name. … or an unsuitable one? However, I do have in my home dir, an mbox file dated the 7th: Which may result in a clue about my raid10, its msgs from SMARTCTL running as root to me I've never rx'd containing warnings about /dev/sde which is part of that raid10 that is the systems /home directory. So I'll take a break here and go investigate that. It does lead to another question, how do I incorporate that into tbird so I get important status msgs from root?. Add the filename to your list of incoming mailboxes. That should notify you whenever something comes in to any of them. How ever t-bird has so many hot keys that pop up some config page as I'm typing what looks like a legit sentence that I may have commanded something by continuing to type after the popup shows up as it steals the focus when it does. I wish there was some way to disable that crap until I actually want to do some config stuff. Edit -> Settings does not seem to offer a way to turn off hot keys (?). All I can suggest is that you slow down and concentrate on your fingers. It's difficult to prevent accidentally executing commands, but you can prevent their altering your configuration by making the latter readonly. Myself, I use that trick with mc, so that it always starts in the same state, and any configuration changes I do make (sorting, backup/hidden file visibility, etc) are temporary and local, only lasting till I quit that instance. Cheers, David. . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/14/24 11:10, Arno Lehmann wrote: Gene, Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett: On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote: find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' why sudo, and why in /etc ? /etc only because I was there and sudo to get around a whole passel of no permissons. I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then. Thanks Arno Cheers, Arno Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 13/01/2024 09:17, gene heskett wrote: Go to Thunderbird -> Edit -> Account Settings -> ghesk...@shentel.net -> Server Settings. What is the value of the field "Server Type"? IMAP MAIL Server There is a little chance that messages are still on the server. Set "mark as deleted" for delete action. Messages that have not been pruned may appear overstriked. Maybe messages have been moved to "archived".
Re: Thunderbird filters
On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 01:57:59 (-0800), David Christensen wrote: > On 1/12/24 18:17, gene heskett wrote: > > On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote: > > > Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration > > > files on my computer: > > > > > > 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~ > > > $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*' > > > .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat > > > .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat > > > .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat Did you choose those (appropriate-looking) names? > > I have no such directory structure where subbing my id for > > dpchrist might hide: > > gene@coyote:~/.thunderbird$ ls > > 'Crash Reports' f37v8icg.default-default installs.ini > > 'Pending Pings' profiles.ini twpgj5qd.default > > Use find(1) instead of ls(1): > > $ find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' Random website: Create Filter Rules in Mozilla Thunderbird Let’s go over the steps you need to follow to create Thunderbird rules that move messages from a specific sender to a folder: Launch Mozilla Thunderbird. Open the Tools menu and choose Message Filters. Click New to create a new filter. Give the filter a suitable name. … or an unsuitable one? > > However, I do have in my home dir, an mbox file dated the 7th: > > Which may result in a clue about my raid10, its msgs from SMARTCTL > > running as root to me I've never rx'd containing warnings about > > /dev/sde which is part of that raid10 that is the systems /home > > directory. > > So I'll take a break here and go investigate that. > > > > It does lead to another question, how do I incorporate that into > > tbird so I get important status msgs from root?. Add the filename to your list of incoming mailboxes. That should notify you whenever something comes in to any of them. > > How ever t-bird has so many hot keys that pop up some config page > > as I'm typing what looks like a legit sentence that I may have > > commanded something by continuing to type after the popup shows up > > as it steals the focus when it does. I wish there was some way to > > disable that crap until I actually want to do some config stuff. > > Edit -> Settings does not seem to offer a way to turn off hot keys > (?). All I can suggest is that you slow down and concentrate on your > fingers. It's difficult to prevent accidentally executing commands, but you can prevent their altering your configuration by making the latter readonly. Myself, I use that trick with mc, so that it always starts in the same state, and any configuration changes I do make (sorting, backup/hidden file visibility, etc) are temporary and local, only lasting till I quit that instance. Cheers, David.
Re: Thunderbird filters
Gene, Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett: On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote: find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' why sudo, and why in /etc ? Cheers, Arno -- Arno Lehmann IT-Service Lehmann Sandstr. 6, 49080 Osnabrück
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote: find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' [sudo] password for gene: ./libreoffice/registry/graphicfilter.xcd ./libreoffice/registry/xsltfilter.xcd ./fonts/conf.d/11-lcdfilter-default.conf ./xdg/kshorturifilterrc ./alternatives/bogofilter ./bogofilter.cf ./apache2/mods-enabled/filter.load ./apache2/mods-available/filter.load ./apache2/mods-available/ext_filter.load ./modules-load.d/cups-filters.conf gene@coyote:/etc$ I don't see anything thunderbird there. I have some macular degeneration but wouldn't call myself blind, yet... Thanks David. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/12/24 18:17, gene heskett wrote: On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote: Go to Thunderbird -> Edit -> Account Settings -> ghesk...@shentel.net -> Server Settings. What is the value of the field "Server Type"? IMAP MAIL Server Okay. Please run the following commands and post your console session: 2024-01-12 11:49:46 root@taz ~ # cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a 12.4 Linux coyote 6.1.0-17-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Debian 6.1.69-1 (2023-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux Okay. 2024-01-12 11:49:56 root@taz ~ # dpkg-query -W thunderbird thunderbird 1:115.6.0-1~deb12u1 Okay. Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration files on my computer: 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~ $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*' .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat I have no such directory structure where subbing my id for dpchrist might hide: gene@coyote:~/.thunderbird$ ls 'Crash Reports' f37v8icg.default-default installs.ini 'Pending Pings' profiles.ini twpgj5qd.default Use find(1) instead of ls(1): $ find . -xdev -iname '*filter*' However, I do have in my home dir, an mbox file dated the 7th: Which may result in a clue about my raid10, its msgs from SMARTCTL running as root to me I've never rx'd containing warnings about /dev/sde which is part of that raid10 that is the systems /home directory. So I'll take a break here and go investigate that. It does lead to another question, how do I incorporate that into tbird so I get important status msgs from root?. I have the same need for both my Debian and FreeBSD machines. Please post the contents of your Thunderbird message filter configuration files. Redact if you must, but understand that we cannot debug what we cannot see. Appreciated David. If it happens again I will do as much of the above as I can, It does seem as if my input sorting filters are working noticeably better now. This is an imap account, aliased to mail2world by my isp. I hve increased the period of the savr's whn editing a long reply, from 5 minutes to ten, but hve made no other changes. How ever t-bird has so many hot keys that pop up some config page as I'm typing what looks like a legit sentence that I may have commanded something by continuing to type after the popup shows up as it steals the focus when it does. I wish there was some way to disable that crap until I actually want to do some config stuff. Edit -> Settings does not seem to offer a way to turn off hot keys (?). All I can suggest is that you slow down and concentrate on your fingers. Typed the above before I noted the mbox file. Thanks David. New thread when I find out whats wrong. Take care, stat warm, dry and well. Cheers, Gene Heskett. Same to you. :-) David
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote: On 1/12/24 05:47, Arno Lehmann wrote: Am 12.01.2024 um 14:31 schrieb gene heskett: I'm using tbird as an email agent, but it just did something both strange and scary. Its filters have been working very spotty, only when the phase of the moon was right. And it missed moving a msg from the nut list to the local nut sbbdir, so I went to the filter menu and had it add a new filter based on that msg. Then told it to "run it now". Apparently a big mistake!! tbird took about an hour, totally cleaned out the inbox at my mail server of 4080 some messages, w/o adding or moving to anything, absolutely zip to any local mail directory. No local msgs were played with, but I've lost several hundred often used addresses that were stashed in my inbox. Does anybody have a clue what did that? You will have to share the actual filter and actions you configured before anybopdy can develop any clue. Also, adding the actual version of thunderbird will be useful. 115.6.0 (64-bit) And it may be relevant to have the account type, too -- pop3, imap, whatever server side, and how your local mail storage is organized. imap Until this bug is resolved, I suggest: 1. Shut down the computer. If you have Ethernet, disconnect the cable. 2. Boot the computer. Login to your user account. If you have Wi-Fi or any other network interfaces, disable them so that your comptuer cannot connect to mail server. 3. Back up the $HOME/.thunderbird folder. 4. Start Thunderbird. Go to Tools -> Message Filters and disable all filters. Close Thunderbird. Shut down your computer. 5. If you have Ethernet, connect the cable. Boot your computer. Login to your user account. If you have Wi-Fi or any other network interfaces, enable them. 6. Start Thunderbird. Verify that all message filters are disabled. Verify that you can send and receive mail. Go to Thunderbird -> Edit -> Account Settings -> ghesk...@shentel.net -> Server Settings. What is the value of the field "Server Type"? IMAP MAIL Server Please run the following commands and post your console session: 2024-01-12 11:49:46 root@taz ~ # cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a 12.4 Linux coyote 6.1.0-17-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Debian 6.1.69-1 (2023-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux 11.8 Linux taz 5.10.0-26-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.197-1 (2023-09-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux 2024-01-12 11:49:56 root@taz ~ # dpkg-query -W thunderbird thunderbird 1:115.6.0-1~deb12u1 thunderbird 1:115.6.0-1~deb11u1 STFW for "thunderbird filter plain text dump", I found: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1147503 Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration files on my computer: 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~ $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*' .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat I have no such directory structure where subbing my id for dpchrist might hide: gene@coyote:~/.thunderbird$ ls 'Crash Reports' f37v8icg.default-default installs.ini 'Pending Pings' profiles.ini twpgj5qd.default However, I do have in my home dir, an mbox file dated the 7th: Which may result in a clue about my raid10, its msgs from SMARTCTL running as root to me I've never rx'd containing warnings about /dev/sde which is part of that raid10 that is the systems /home directory. So I'll take a break here and go investigate that. It does lead to another question, how do I incorporate that into tbird so I get important status msgs from root?. My mail hosting provider is Hurricane Electric (he.het). My account is on the host november.he.net. Looking at the contexts of above files: 2024-01-12 12:34:03 dpchrist@taz ~ $ cat '.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat' version="9" logging="no" 2024-01-12 12:34:54 dpchrist@taz ~ $ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat version="9" logging="no" 2024-01-12 12:38:30 dpchrist@taz ~ $ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat version="9" logging="no" name="nuke" enabled="yes" type="17" action="Move to folder" actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske@november.he.net/nuke" action="Stop execution" condition="OR (from,contains,redacted-user@redacted-host) OR (from,contains,@redacted-host) OR ...)" name="Inbox-copy" enabled="yes" type="17" action="Copy to folder" actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske@november.he.net/Inbox-copy" condition="ALL" Please post the contents of your Thunderb
Re: Thunderbird filters
On 1/12/24 05:47, Arno Lehmann wrote: Am 12.01.2024 um 14:31 schrieb gene heskett: I'm using tbird as an email agent, but it just did something both strange and scary. Its filters have been working very spotty, only when the phase of the moon was right. And it missed moving a msg from the nut list to the local nut sbbdir, so I went to the filter menu and had it add a new filter based on that msg. Then told it to "run it now". Apparently a big mistake!! tbird took about an hour, totally cleaned out the inbox at my mail server of 4080 some messages, w/o adding or moving to anything, absolutely zip to any local mail directory. No local msgs were played with, but I've lost several hundred often used addresses that were stashed in my inbox. Does anybody have a clue what did that? You will have to share the actual filter and actions you configured before anybopdy can develop any clue. Also, adding the actual version of thunderbird will be useful. And it may be relevant to have the account type, too -- pop3, imap, whatever server side, and how your local mail storage is organized. Until this bug is resolved, I suggest: 1. Shut down the computer. If you have Ethernet, disconnect the cable. 2. Boot the computer. Login to your user account. If you have Wi-Fi or any other network interfaces, disable them so that your comptuer cannot connect to mail server. 3. Back up the $HOME/.thunderbird folder. 4. Start Thunderbird. Go to Tools -> Message Filters and disable all filters. Close Thunderbird. Shut down your computer. 5. If you have Ethernet, connect the cable. Boot your computer. Login to your user account. If you have Wi-Fi or any other network interfaces, enable them. 6. Start Thunderbird. Verify that all message filters are disabled. Verify that you can send and receive mail. Go to Thunderbird -> Edit -> Account Settings -> ghesk...@shentel.net -> Server Settings. What is the value of the field "Server Type"? Please run the following commands and post your console session: 2024-01-12 11:49:46 root@taz ~ # cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a 11.8 Linux taz 5.10.0-26-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.197-1 (2023-09-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux 2024-01-12 11:49:56 root@taz ~ # dpkg-query -W thunderbird thunderbird 1:115.6.0-1~deb11u1 STFW for "thunderbird filter plain text dump", I found: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1147503 Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration files on my computer: 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~ $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*' .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat My mail hosting provider is Hurricane Electric (he.het). My account is on the host november.he.net. Looking at the contexts of above files: 2024-01-12 12:34:03 dpchrist@taz ~ $ cat '.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat' version="9" logging="no" 2024-01-12 12:34:54 dpchrist@taz ~ $ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat version="9" logging="no" 2024-01-12 12:38:30 dpchrist@taz ~ $ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat version="9" logging="no" name="nuke" enabled="yes" type="17" action="Move to folder" actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske@november.he.net/nuke" action="Stop execution" condition="OR (from,contains,redacted-user@redacted-host) OR (from,contains,@redacted-host) OR ...)" name="Inbox-copy" enabled="yes" type="17" action="Copy to folder" actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske@november.he.net/Inbox-copy" condition="ALL" Please post the contents of your Thunderbird message filter configuration files. Redact if you must, but understand that we cannot debug what we cannot see. David
Thunderbird filters (was: call me puzzled.)
Hi Gene, Am 12.01.2024 um 14:31 schrieb gene heskett: I'm using tbird as an email agent, but it just did something both strange and scary. Its filters have been working very spotty, only when the phase of the moon was right. And it missed moving a msg from the nut list to the local nut sbbdir, so I went to the filter menu and had it add a new filter based on that msg. Then told it to "run it now". Apparently a big mistake!! tbird took about an hour, totally cleaned out the inbox at my mail server of 4080 some messages, w/o adding or moving to anything, absolutely zip to any local mail directory. No local msgs were played with, but I've lost several hundred often used addresses that were stashed in my inbox. Does anybody have a clue what did that? You will have to share the actual filter and actions you configured before anybopdy can develop any clue. Also, adding the actual version of thunderbird will be useful. And it may be relevant to have the account type, too -- pop3, imap, whatever server side, and how your local mail storage is organized. Cheers, Arno Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- Arno Lehmann IT-Service Lehmann Sandstr. 6, 49080 Osnabrück
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 08:58:41 (-0800), Peter Ehlert wrote: > thread back from the dead: > first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions > > I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too. > Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will suffice. > > My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help > me, Kudos to webmasters dot com > > IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know > who to trust > > I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. > > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages > on the server? Well, sorting by Date, mutt lists your post at position: 33858 L 231118 Peter Ehlert (1.2K) Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail out of a total of 33910 on the server (in the UK). The posts are also all on this machine here: ~/.cache/mutt/imaps:a...@def.co.uk@GHI.co.uk:993/INBOX$ ls -1 | wc -l 35700 ~/.cache/mutt/imaps:a...@def.co.uk@GHI.co.uk:993/INBOX$ du -sh 630M. ~/.cache/mutt/imaps:a...@def.co.uk@GHI.co.uk:993/INBOX$ (Some posts in my cache are orphaned, for straightforward reasons I won't bother to explain here.) Cheers, David.
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:15:56 -0600
Mike McClain wrote:
Hello Mike,
>A second item that's slightly off topic, I've had no luck setting
>up claws-mail to send out through frontier.net and if anyone knows how
>to do that I'd appreciate the claws-mail setup for it.
Without knowing what you've done, or what errors you receive I can only
suggest you start here;
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/frontier/SLN3792.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAG4cywIUVM3DYW6VMJeB1xaQhcvotPg06bOVj7Tb3448LcW98YDlSSI1OkiM4pvd7XeUtYcONDXOfK3QNQo_2RENbJHWxu886aFSXyIIQOiwej-BaH-m5hkpIaUvRM8FMziZ13JvH-SstaPrJrRhlHTSNJCzv_R7CSAdhJOhI-Ql&_guc_consent_skip=1700504498
Specifically the part Verify POP or IMAP settings.
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Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Monday 20 November 2023 11:15:56 am Mike McClain wrote: > Seeing several messages complaining about fetching messages from > gmail.com I'd like to point out that gmail can be set to forward all > messages to a gmail account to another account on a different server. That's exactly what I'm doing here... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Mon, 2023-11-20 at 10:15 -0600, Mike McClain wrote: > Seeing several messages complaining about fetching messages from > gmail.com I'd like to point out that gmail can be set to forward all > messages to a gmail account to another account on a different server. > I saw a message making that point several years ago, I'm sure I've mentioned that here before. I did it in my last job as my employer used Google for mail, so I just forwarded everything to an email account on my email server at home. -- Tixy
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
Seeing several messages complaining about fetching messages from gmail.com I'd like to point out that gmail can be set to forward all messages to a gmail account to another account on a different server. I saw a message making that point several years ago, probably here, and seldom log into gmail but get all messages sent to my gmail accounts by others. A second item that's slightly off topic, I've had no luck setting up claws-mail to send out through frontier.net and if anyone knows how to do that I'd appreciate the claws-mail setup for it. Thanks, Mike -- Telling pious lies to trusting children is a form of abuse, plain and simple. - Daniel Dennett, 2010-01-12
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On 19/11/2023 17:50, Tixy wrote: On Sun, 2023-11-19 at 07:58 -0800, Peter Ehlert wrote: Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages on the server? My question was incomplete. I should have added that I must have local copies of almost everything, for Me to filter an purge. --- > So you folks discussing IMAP made it super clear that POP is my only choice. < --- I don't see why you need POP to filter email. Your email client will almost certainly let you create filters to process and delete emails. E.g. I use IMAP with Evolution mail client and have various filters for spam and kill files. Amongst the many filter options is the ability to pipe new messages to an external program and the perform actions on the result. That's how I implement killfiles for this email list, I have a bash script to match email headers against a kill list and then if my script returns 'true' I have evolution set to delete them. Depending on your IMAP server, you may even be able to use "Sieve" scripts to perform the filtering on the server (i.e. before you even download the messages to a client). Sieve scripts can look at headers and bodies, so you can do simple things like "Messages from my family get moved to the 'Family' folder", "messages with a subject that contains 'debian-user' get moved to the 'debian-user' folder", to more complicated things like "auto reply to subscription-confirmation emails". OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Sun, 2023-11-19 at 07:58 -0800, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave > > messages > > on the server? > My question was incomplete. I should have added that I must have > local > copies of almost everything, for Me to filter an purge. > --- > So you folks discussing IMAP made it super clear that POP is my > only choice. < --- I don't see why you need POP to filter email. Your email client will almost certainly let you create filters to process and delete emails. E.g. I use IMAP with Evolution mail client and have various filters for spam and kill files. Amongst the many filter options is the ability to pipe new messages to an external program and the perform actions on the result. That's how I implement killfiles for this email list, I have a bash script to match email headers against a kill list and then if my script returns 'true' I have evolution set to delete them. -- Tixy
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote: thread back from the dead: first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too. Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will suffice. My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help me, Kudos to webmasters dot com the Kudos was premature. they provided unclear/wrong instructions. I said screw it and did "the wrong thing" and expected to loose the copious pent-up messages, but it Did Work. I'm good. IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know who to trust I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages on the server? My question was incomplete. I should have added that I must have local copies of almost everything, for Me to filter an purge. --- > So you folks discussing IMAP made it super clear that POP is my only choice. < --- thanks! On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. Minor success. Tbird still sucks in several ways. However the many alternatives suck worse in my opinion. Old dogs and all of that. also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy backups. In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters and rearrange my copious folders. Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I know little of the history and stability. secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? thanks in advance.
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
pardon the top posting. I made a minor change to the security settings that Webmasters omitted (or said Not to do) in their documentation for the security upgrades on their servers, and it's working again. a couple thousand messages to clean and sort, but my will filters do 97% of that. I will message their support and help them correct their error. thanks for listening. Peter Ehlert On 11/18/23 09:06, peter ehlert wrote: damn! I forgot... not able to receive on my POP mail accounts! now using the hateful Gmail... maybe that's why Thunderbird can't use a mailing list, they don't trust their own email app. Eff Them! On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote: thread back from the dead: first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too. Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will suffice. My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help me, Kudos to webmasters dot com IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know who to trust I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages on the server? On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. Minor success. also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy backups. In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters and rearrange my copious folders. Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I know little of the history and stability. secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? thanks in advance.
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:57:03 +
Joe wrote:
Hello Joe,
>On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:31:31 +
>Brad Rogers wrote:
>> Can be altered in Prefs.
>> Display; Summaries Message list tab "Mark message as read" section.
>Thank you. I never told it to do that.
I think (but don't quote me) it's the default in CM. And with the large
number of settings, it's easy to miss it.
Took me a while to find the right section before responding to to your
post:
I *know* it's there somewhere.. :-l
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:20:49 +
Joe wrote:
Hello Joe,
>currently, selecting an email in the list marks it as read, which is not
Can be altered in Prefs.
Display; Summaries Message list tab "Mark message as read" section.
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Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Sun 19 Nov 2023 at 04:29:57 (+), Tim Woodall wrote: > On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Joe wrote: > > > If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server > > using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may > > help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not > > return any information from that port, only on 143. Presumably this is > > to assist security. > > I'd assume you need to use something like openssl s_client rather than > telnet to port 993. Sure, but you still need to know what to type (assuming that's what you do), because it just sits there rather than blurting it all out: $ openssl s_client -starttls imap -crlf -connect lionunicorn.co.uk:993 CONNECTED(0003) and nothing happens until: ^C 130 $ OTOH, openssl to port 143 is a bit more informative. Cheers, David.
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Joe wrote: If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not return any information from that port, only on 143. Presumably this is to assist security. I'd assume you need to use something like openssl s_client rather than telnet to port 993.
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On 19/11/23 08:04, jeremy ardley wrote: On 19/11/23 01:59, Alex wrote: IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via right-click -> delete. A client can also alter messages retained on a server or event insert new messages. This is interesting in computer forensics. It means that if an email is on a server e.g. hotmail or gmail, it has no probative value unless supported by other evidence such as server records, digital signatures, or corroborating evidence on other systems. In my professional cyber-forensic practice I have tested just how much you can alter in an email on a server. The answer is essentially everything. All headers, dates, content etc. Server records of email receipt are usually transient so after a few months they can no longer be used as corroboration. Incidentally, I am using gmail for this list. They have made a recent(?) change so that an email that is sent to the debian list automatically gets a 'copy' in the inbox. In fact it's just a view of the sent email. They then drop any copy received from the list, probably based on matching the email ID field (?) From a forensic perspective, gmail only ever stores one copy of an email based on its email ID. The altering emails on the server trick involves creating a modified copy with a different ID field, deleting the original email and so removing its ID from gmail, then altering the ID of the copy to the original ID.
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On 19/11/23 01:59, Alex wrote: IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via right-click -> delete. A client can also alter messages retained on a server or event insert new messages. This is interesting in computer forensics. It means that if an email is on a server e.g. hotmail or gmail, it has no probative value unless supported by other evidence such as server records, digital signatures, or corroborating evidence on other systems. In my professional cyber-forensic practice I have tested just how much you can alter in an email on a server. The answer is essentially everything. All headers, dates, content etc. Server records of email receipt are usually transient so after a few months they can no longer be used as corroboration.
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:20:49 + Joe wrote: > Claws cannot compose HTML emails, which may be a showstopper for you. > It can display HTML, though I always use plain text. If I really need > to see HTML, such as when an unsubscribe link is buried in 100K of > useless markup, I use a webmail client. I hate webmail. Instead of the webmail client: To the right of the message body, or just above it, you can see the various parts of a MIME message. Right click (mouse 3, typically) on the entry for the HTML part of the email. Click on "display as text". That usually displays the link correctly. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:58:41 -0800 Peter Ehlert wrote: > thread back from the dead: > first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions > > I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too. > Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will > suffice. > > My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help > me, Kudos to webmasters dot com > > IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't > know who to trust > > I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. > > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave > messages on the server? Yes, IMAP is server-oriented, POP3 is single-client oriented. It's not unusual for me to have my IMAP account open in more than one client simultaneously. If you're having problems, it may be to do with the email policy in use at the server, mostly password authentication. Standard IMAP port is 143, encrypted is 993 though often 143 will also accept encryption. If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not return any information from that port, only on 143. Presumably this is to assist security. $ telnet myserver 143 Trying 192.168.xx.yy Connected to myserver. Escape character is '^]'. * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE STARTTLS AUTH=PLAIN] Dovecot ready. Any mention of SSL, TLS or AUTH is likely to be important. > > On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the > > GUI has been slowly been changed. > > lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My > > Way. Minor success. > > > > also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and > > easy backups. > > > > In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few > > filters and rearrange my copious folders. > > > > Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? > > the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but > > I know little of the history and stability. It goes back a couple of decades, and was originally a fork of Sylpheed, which also still exists. I've used it for at least five years, when I started to find TB too bloated and slow. I never used its calendar, I have an SQL-based calendar. Claws gets occasional bugs, irritating rather than serious e.g. currently, selecting an email in the list marks it as read, which is not always what I want, and is not normal behaviour. IMAP does folders, something that POP3 clients simulate but which really exist on an IMAP server, and I often want to drag an email to a folder while leaving it marked unread. It will get fixed. > > > > secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? No, I'm using quite a lot of filters on two Usenet groups in mine. Claws cannot compose HTML emails, which may be a showstopper for you. It can display HTML, though I always use plain text. If I really need to see HTML, such as when an unsubscribe link is buried in 100K of useless markup, I use a webmail client. I hate webmail. -- Joe
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:58:41 -0800 Peter Ehlert wrote: > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave > messages on the server? That's why IMAP exists to begin with. IMAP was made to make it possible for multiple clients to manage the same mailbox[1]. IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via right-click -> delete. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP -- Current PGP KeyID: 0AFB427F1800FD89751C4035292228735AE707FF https://blueselene.com/pgp-archive/0AFB427F1800FD89751C4035292228735AE707FF/key.pub pgptlvRoDcw38.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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damn! I forgot... not able to receive on my POP mail accounts! now using the hateful Gmail... maybe that's why Thunderbird can't use a mailing list, they don't trust their own email app. Eff Them! On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote: thread back from the dead: first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too. Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will suffice. My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help me, Kudos to webmasters dot com IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know who to trust I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages on the server? On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. Minor success. also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy backups. In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters and rearrange my copious folders. Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I know little of the history and stability. secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? thanks in advance.
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
thread back from the dead: first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too. Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will suffice. My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help me, Kudos to webmasters dot com IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know who to trust I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages on the server? On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. Minor success. also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy backups. In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters and rearrange my copious folders. Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I know little of the history and stability. secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? thanks in advance.
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
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Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 19/8/23 21:49, Peter Ehlert wrote: Claws mail has an official users mailing list, which, I believe, is hosted and administered by the application developer, who also answers queries on the list. Thunderbird email has no official users mailing list, but has two unofficial users mailing lists, hosted on groups.io, with a different priority for each mailing list, and, each of those lists, is run by volunteers, with no support on those lists, from Thunderbird or its developers. Thunderbird developers, and, the Thunderbird organisation, have yet to adapt to using email (it is a bit like the oxymoron "military intelligence", as referenced by the character played by Danny de Vito in the movie of that name - Thunderbird developers and the Thunderbird organisation, have so little regard for email, that they do not provide official users mailing lists, for announcements, providing support, etc - some of the operating systems, on which email applications run, such as Debian, and Ubuntu, are far more adept at using email - the Thunderbird organisation, has yet to come to terms with the use of email). I find the lack of a mailing list rather ironic. I think that is rather a euphemistic way of putting it... :) It is a bit like "What operating system do you use at home?" MS Windows developers: "Linux, of course. Windows? You've got to be joking!" .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 8/15/23 19:20, Max Nikulin wrote: On 15/08/2023 23:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. I think, Thunderbird will be upgraded to version 115 soon in Debian stable. Major changes of default UI have been announced. We got 115 in Sid a couple days ago. "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind I have not tried it, so I can not say it is really more convenient or not. It is possible to switch to current UI style, but I am unsure if any bugs will be fixed. there was a Zoom meeting hosted by the Thunderbird guys... I sat in and asked a couple questions... They were very clear that 115 is cosmetic only and does not address anything else. They did acknowledge the problem with the massive .msf file problem. they had no idea if/when that may be corrected Just a warning for those who are sensitive to changes of UI. From my point of view traditional UI of Thunderbird may be improved, but I am unsure that particular issues are addressed in new UI.
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 8/15/23 12:13, Bret Busby wrote: On 16/8/23 00:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. Minor success. also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy backups. In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters and rearrange my copious folders. Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I know little of the history and stability. secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? thanks in advance. I use both email applications, separately for different email accounts. I use claws mail for a minor email account, in which I may get one or two (or, if spammed, more) messages, each month. I use Thunderbird for my primary email account, which can get many (a hundred, or, hundreds, depending on what is happening)messages, each day. My use of Thunderbird, is basically as a webmail kind of application, over which, I have more control, than over something like horde or roundcube (that has been imposed to replace horde). At the end of each month (or, more frequently, depending on the number of messages left after preliminary sifting out of chaff), I download my incoming email, using the most powerful email application that I have encountered, alpine, that was evolved from pine. All my download email filtering, is done using alpine, with hundreds of filters, each with up to a couple of hundred different field values. I have several hundred or more, folders, for storing my downloaded messages, with some folders being archived on a monthly basis, depending on the usual volume of messages in each folder. My mail folder (the mail messages folder for alpine), is somewhere around 20GB, and contains messages up to about 20 years old. Claws mail has an official users mailing list, which, I believe, is hosted and administered by the application developer, who also answers queries on the list. Thunderbird email has no official users mailing list, but has two unofficial users mailing lists, hosted on groups.io, with a different priority for each mailing list, and, each of those lists, is run by volunteers, with no support on those lists, from Thunderbird or its developers. Thunderbird developers, and, the Thunderbird organisation, have yet to adapt to using email (it is a bit like the oxymoron "military intelligence", as referenced by the character played by Danny de Vito in the movie of that name - Thunderbird developers and the Thunderbird organisation, have so little regard for email, that they do not provide official users mailing lists, for announcements, providing support, etc - some of the operating systems, on which email applications run, such as Debian, and Ubuntu, are far more adept at using email - the Thunderbird organisation, has yet to come to terms with the use of email). I find the lack of a mailing list rather ironic. Oh, and, alpine has an official mailing list, involving the developer of alpine, who also provides answers to queries (and, considers development suggestions) made on that list. So, the Thunderbird organisation is a bit backward... .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 08:58:25 +0200
Thierry Leurent wrote:
Hello Thierry,
>Thanks for the information
YW, Thierry.
Unless one reads the Claws mailing list, it's not easy to have known what
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Thanks for the information On 8/16/23 08:30, Brad Rogers wrote: On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 00:10:20 +0200 Thierry Leurent wrote: Hello Thierry, - Claws mail not render correctly html mails. It doesn't render them at all, unless you have a suitable plugin installed(1). And yes, for a while, HTML rendering was not great. This was due to removal (in many distros) of a package required by the Fancy plugin (I forget which) that had security issues. (1) This is, IMO, a Good Thing. -- Thierry LEURENT BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:4.0 N:Leurent;Thierry;;; FN:Thierry LEURENT NICKNAME:BackFromHell EMAIL;PREF=1:thierry.leur...@asgardian.be URL:https://Asgardian.be TZ:Europe/Brussels END:VCARD
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 00:10:20 +0200
Thierry Leurent wrote:
Hello Thierry,
>- Claws mail not render correctly html mails.
It doesn't render them at all, unless you have a suitable plugin
installed(1). And yes, for a while, HTML rendering was not great. This
was due to removal (in many distros) of a package required by the Fancy
plugin (I forget which) that had security issues.
(1) This is, IMO, a Good Thing.
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Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 15/08/2023 23:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. I think, Thunderbird will be upgraded to version 115 soon in Debian stable. Major changes of default UI have been announced. I have not tried it, so I can not say it is really more convenient or not. It is possible to switch to current UI style, but I am unsure if any bugs will be fixed. Just a warning for those who are sensitive to changes of UI. From my point of view traditional UI of Thunderbird may be improved, but I am unsure that particular issues are addressed in new UI.
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
My last experience with mua is : - KMail have problem with big imap mailbox. - Claws mail not render correctly html mails. - Thunderbird work great. I'm under kde so I don't try evolution. On 8/15/23 18:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. Minor success. also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy backups. In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters and rearrange my copious folders. Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I know little of the history and stability. secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? thanks in advance. -- Thierry LEURENT BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:4.0 N:Leurent;Thierry;;; FN:Thierry LEURENT NICKNAME:BackFromHell EMAIL;PREF=1:thierry.leur...@asgardian.be URL:https://Asgardian.be TZ:Europe/Brussels END:VCARD
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 16/8/23 03:48, Russell L. Harris wrote: Consider evolution. I think evolution is one of the gnome applications, where the gnomes shut down all of the users' mailing lists - thence, instability. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
Consider evolution.
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 16/8/23 00:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. Minor success. also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy backups. In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters and rearrange my copious folders. Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I know little of the history and stability. secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? thanks in advance. I use both email applications, separately for different email accounts. I use claws mail for a minor email account, in which I may get one or two (or, if spammed, more) messages, each month. I use Thunderbird for my primary email account, which can get many (a hundred, or, hundreds, depending on what is happening)messages, each day. My use of Thunderbird, is basically as a webmail kind of application, over which, I have more control, than over something like horde or roundcube (that has been imposed to replace horde). At the end of each month (or, more frequently, depending on the number of messages left after preliminary sifting out of chaff), I download my incoming email, using the most powerful email application that I have encountered, alpine, that was evolved from pine. All my download email filtering, is done using alpine, with hundreds of filters, each with up to a couple of hundred different field values. I have several hundred or more, folders, for storing my downloaded messages, with some folders being archived on a monthly basis, depending on the usual volume of messages in each folder. My mail folder (the mail messages folder for alpine), is somewhere around 20GB, and contains messages up to about 20 years old. Claws mail has an official users mailing list, which, I believe, is hosted and administered by the application developer, who also answers queries on the list. Thunderbird email has no official users mailing list, but has two unofficial users mailing lists, hosted on groups.io, with a different priority for each mailing list, and, each of those lists, is run by volunteers, with no support on those lists, from Thunderbird or its developers. Thunderbird developers, and, the Thunderbird organisation, have yet to adapt to using email (it is a bit like the oxymoron "military intelligence", as referenced by the character played by Danny de Vito in the movie of that name - Thunderbird developers and the Thunderbird organisation, have so little regard for email, that they do not provide official users mailing lists, for announcements, providing support, etc - some of the operating systems, on which email applications run, such as Debian, and Ubuntu, are far more adept at using email - the Thunderbird organisation, has yet to come to terms with the use of email). Oh, and, alpine has an official mailing list, involving the developer of alpine, who also provides answers to queries (and, considers development suggestions) made on that list. So, the Thunderbird organisation is a bit backward... .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
Am 15.08.2023 um 09:43:57 Uhr schrieb Peter Ehlert: > Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? > the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I > know little of the history and stability. One way is to use an IMAP server, move the mail to it, then move it to a local mailbox again. Maybe using Maildir is also possible. > secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? Claws Mail supports filtering for Mail and Usenet.
Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. Minor success. also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy backups. In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters and rearrange my copious folders. Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I know little of the history and stability. secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? thanks in advance.
Thunderbird Beta
Thunderbird is going through some front end changes, mostly cosmetic I believe. Question: what are the chances that the New version (115.x), after the TBird beta is finished, will be in the Debian Stable repos?
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 5/26/23, zithro wrote:
> On 05 May 2023 18:07, Lee wrote:
>> On 5/4/23, zithro wrote:
>> I think you also need
>> user_pref("widget.gtk.overlay-scrollbars.enabled", false);
>>
>> and this is also nice
>> user_pref("widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override", 20);
>
> I tried them all, but now there's a simple GUI option (see my other post
> in this thread) ! \o/
yes, but
Settings -> General -> Browsing -> Always show scrollbars
shows a too-thin scrollbar with no up or down arrows at either end.
>> From there I can select the Chicago95 theme as any user and if there's
>> anything I don't like I can, once I figure out wtf needs to be changed
>> (which can be a non-trivial task for me), make the change.
>
> That was my point, wtf needs to be changed ?! ^^
That's why I picked the Chicago95 theme .. it was _real_ close to what I wanted.
Then again, I wanted different colors & I couldn't figure out how to
get everything changed the way I wanted so I went back to the default
:(
The changes I've got now are:
lee@spot ~/Templates/Chicago95-2.0.1/Theme
$ diff -u5 -r Chicago95 /usr/share/themes/Chicago95
Only in Chicago95: cinnamon
Only in Chicago95: gnome-shell
diff -u5 -r Chicago95/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
/usr/share/themes/Chicago95/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
--- Chicago95/gtk-3.0/settings.ini 2020-06-29 10:33:20.0 -0400
+++ /usr/share/themes/Chicago95/gtk-3.0/settings.ini2023-05-27
17:10:25.257049595 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,14 @@
[Settings]
gtk-auto-mnemonics = 0
gtk-visible-focus = automatic
gtk-menu-images = true
+
+gtk-menu-popup-delay=0
+# LR: delay between pointing the mouse at a menu and that menu
opening (in milliseconds)
+
+gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = 0
+# LR: warp slider to click position (true) or move scrollbar by one
page (false)
+
+gtk-overlay-scrolling = 0
+# LR: 0: always show scrollbars 1: hide the scrollbar until a mouseover
+
Only in Chicago95: gtk-3.22
Only in Chicago95: gtk-3.24
Only in Chicago95: index.theme
Only in Chicago95: metacity-1
Only in Chicago95: misc
Only in Chicago95: xfwm4_hidpi
> I checked some themes in /usr/share/themes and ... well, I'll use my
> theme as it is !
I hope you've got a better set of themes than I have - I tried all of
them and didn't like any :(
Regards,
Lee
