Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 12:29:56PM -0600, Cobra wrote:
 The whole problem is that I have not received ANY mail in response
 to my original post. Because my original post included my return
 email address I expected the responses would be mailed to me. When
 none arrived by the end of the day I checked the web page:
 
lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/threads.html

Yes, this is indeed a problem. Who knows how many other first time
posters have also been affected.

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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 14:14:12 Cobra wrote:
 It’s no secret. In the original post I said I did a default install except
 for the inclusion of GNOME. That implies the DM is gdm and the GUI is Gnome
 3.

You may have meant it to imply it, but I thought that Gnome 3 was still the 
default GUI in Debian 8.  So your statement that it was a default 
install except for the inclusion of GNOME 3 meant to me that you had NOT 
included GNOME3 (the default), and implied nothing about what you had 
included.

Some of us, anyhow I, need things spelt out a bit more clearly.

Lisi


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 14:14:12 Cobra wrote:
 It’s no secret. In the original post I said I did a default install except
 for the inclusion of GNOME. That implies the DM is gdm and the GUI is Gnome
 3.

I've just managed to find your thread opener, and you did in fact mention 
GNOME.  You are quoting yourself inaccurately.  But I was unable to find it 
before.  You appear to break the thread every time you reply, which makes the 
thread very difficult to follow, and earlier emails very difficult to find.

You also don't quote, so you really are very difficult to follow.

Anyhow, you may have some important package missing.  You could run tasksel 
again and install some of the more basic stuff that you left out.   Or you 
could reconfigure gdm since that could be where the problem lies, since 
GNOME3 runs without it.

# dpkg-reconfigure gdm 

Lisi


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 16:15:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Sunday 09 August 2015 15:56:25 Lisi Reisz wrote:
  Or you
  could reconfigure gdm since that could be where the problem lies, since
  GNOME3 runs without it.
 
  # dpkg-reconfigure gdm

 If that doesn't work you could try the various methods of reinstalling.

 Lisi

Sorry - reinstalling gdm, not reinstalling the whole thing.

Lisi


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Cobra
I realize my interaction with the list is problematic. I am new to this, I don’t
subscribe to the list itself, and I am interacting via the web page

   lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/threads.html

On that page there are only three choices I can see for replying, none of which
have the desired effect of adding the reply to the message thread as I would 
wish.

Relative to the actual problem I have, my point is that I am doing a fairly 
vanilla
install that leads to an non-functional system. I did not “leave out” anything 
that the install
wanted to include; I only “added” GNOME as an optional desktop.

I have tried several test installs on a different machine using various desktop 
options.
KDE worked and let me login after the reboot but, it did have problems with the 
cursor
being inverted and offset from the active pointer location making it very hard 
to work with.
This cursor behavior carried over into the GUI as well. However, if the GUI was 
started
from a TTY the cursor displayed properly and behaved normally.

MATE worked just fine: no bizarre behavior with the DM, login works just fine, 
and the
GUI works as expected. I liked the MATE desktop better then GNOME 3 so I 
re-installed
the system on the original machine using MATE and all is well. So, from my 
point of
view the original issue is moot.

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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Cobra
It’s no secret. In the original post I said I did a default install except for 
the inclusion of GNOME.
That implies the DM is gdm and the GUI is Gnome 3.


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 12:29:56 -0600
Cobra ma...@xmission.com wrote:

Hello Cobra,

email address I expected the responses would be mailed to me. When

Requests posted through a mailing list are, generally speaking, replied
to on the same list.  If there is no *specific* request to reply to your
email address, it's pot luck whether you get any private replies at all.

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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 15:56:25 Lisi Reisz wrote:
 Or you
 could reconfigure gdm since that could be where the problem lies, since
 GNOME3 runs without it.

 # dpkg-reconfigure gdm

If that doesn't work you could try the various methods of reinstalling.

Lisi


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Cobra
The whole problem is that I have not received ANY mail in response
to my original post. Because my original post included my return
email address I expected the responses would be mailed to me. When
none arrived by the end of the day I checked the web page:

   lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/threads.html

and found replies had been posted. I check to see if my ISPs spam filter
was overzealously quarantining the replies. It was not. With no mail message
to reply to I proceeded to interact via the web page with the obvious
problematic results.

As an aside, the OS X mail client does behave as described I the quoted
passage, but this only affects the display and organization of messages in 
the client’s mail folders. To the best of my knowledge it does not affect the
functionality of the normal reply-to mechanics nor is it the cause of my 
difficulties
with interacting with the mailing list, but I could be wrong.


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread David Wright
Quoting Cobra (ma...@xmission.com):
 I realize my interaction with the list is problematic. I am new to this, I 
 don’t
 subscribe to the list itself, and I am interacting via the web page
 
lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/threads.html
 
 On that page there are only three choices I can see for replying, none of 
 which
 have the desired effect of adding the reply to the message thread as I would 
 wish.

That's odd because the links themselves have the necessary
information, viz (for my previous posting):

mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org?In-Reply-To=%3C20150809164643.GA10191@alum%3Eamp;Subject=Re:%20Re:%20Login%20failure%20after%20new%20install;debian-user@lists.debian.org
mailto:deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk?In-Reply-To=%3C20150809164643.GA10191@alum%3Eamp;Subject=Re:%20Re:%20Login%20failure%20after%20new%20installamp;CC=debian-user@lists.debian.org;David
 Wright (on-list)
mailto:deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk?In-Reply-To=%3C20150809164643.GA10191@alum%3Eamp;Subject=Re:%20Re:%20Login%20failure%20after%20new%20install;David
 Wright (off-list)

 MATE worked just fine: no bizarre behavior with the DM, login works just 
 fine, and the
 GUI works as expected. I liked the MATE desktop better then GNOME 3 so I 
 re-installed
 the system on the original machine using MATE and all is well. So, from my 
 point of
 view the original issue is moot.

Happy to hear that.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Bob Bernstein

On Sun, 9 Aug 2015, Cobra wrote:


I am new to this,


This list is particularly welcoming to newbies.


I don’t subscribe to the list itself


Um...pray tell, why not?


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Cobra ma...@xmission.com wrote:

 The whole problem is that I have not received ANY mail in response
 to my original post.  Because my original post included my return
 email address I expected the responses would be mailed to me.  When
 none arrived by the end of the day I checked the web page:
 
lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/threads.html
 
 and found replies had been posted.  I check to see if my ISPs spam filter
 was overzealously quarantining the replies.  It was not.  With no mail message
 to reply to I proceeded to interact via the web page with the obvious
 problematic results.

Debian mailing list policy is for replies to be posted to the list only,
without a CC to the OP (original poster), unless the OP explicitly asks
for a CC.  Since you've complained about not receiving e-mails, I'll
interpret that as an implicit request for a CC.  But just this once.

Many people read the list via the web and don't want e-mails.  If you want
e-mails, you should subscribe to the list.  When you reply to an e-mail from
the list, you should change the Reply-To address to the list address,
if your e-mail client doesn't do that for you, before you send it.  Please
read this:

   https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

especially the section entitled Code of Conduct.  A couple of points from
the Code of Conduct are excerpted here:

   * When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon copy
 (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be copied.

   * If you send messages to lists to which you are not subscribed,
 always note that fact in the body of your message.

Also, though the code of conduct does not specifically require it, we prefer
the usenet style of interleaved quoting here, not top-posting.  (I haven't
seen you top post yet, but I'm just letting you know since you're new.)

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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 09 August 2015 13:52:05 Cobra wrote:

 I realize my interaction with the list is problematic. I am new to
 this, I don’t subscribe to the list itself, and I am interacting via
 the web page

That is your first mistake. You do not have total control over the 
formatting of the message, and I have yet to consciously note that any 
webmail app I have ever tangled with even pretended to do threading 
correctly.  I still avoid them like the plague, a decade  change after 
they convinced all the winders folks that it was somehow the cats meow.

lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/threads.html

 On that page there are only three choices I can see for replying, none
 of which have the desired effect of adding the reply to the message
 thread as I would wish.

 Relative to the actual problem I have, my point is that I am doing a
 fairly vanilla install that leads to an non-functional system. I did
 not “leave out” anything that the install wanted to include; I only
 “added” GNOME as an optional desktop.

As other have said, Gnome3 seems to be the default for Jesse.  I've not 
made that jump from wheezy yet as I prefer to let the infant mortalities 
to abate, I like a system that JUst Works(TM).

 I have tried several test installs on a different machine using
 various desktop options. KDE worked and let me login after the reboot
 but, it did have problems with the cursor being inverted and offset
 from the active pointer location making it very hard to work with.
 This cursor behavior carried over into the GUI as well. However, if
 the GUI was started from a TTY the cursor displayed properly and
 behaved normally.

Odd, but I've never paid much attention to the mouse in a tty situation 
even if I could get it to work,  That used to be easy a decade+ back in 
redhat 6.3 but died after fedora 3 IIRC.

 MATE worked just fine: no bizarre behavior with the DM, login works
 just fine, and the GUI works as expected. I liked the MATE desktop
 better then GNOME 3 so I re-installed the system on the original
 machine using MATE and all is well. So, from my point of view the
 original issue is moot.

So now it seems, if I am following this fractured thread correctly, you 
are asking a linux oriented group, to fix Apple's WebMail? I only know 
of one person I've known for nearly 3 decades who is now at Apple, and 
webmail isn't something he is involved in so I won't suggest his name.

Linux, specifically Debian, problems, someone here can probably address.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Martin Smith

On 09/08/2015 19:29, Cobra wrote:

The whole problem is that I have not received ANY mail in response
to my original post. Because my original post included my return
email address I expected the responses would be mailed to me. When
none arrived by the end of the day I checked the web page:

lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/threads.html

and found replies had been posted. I check to see if my ISPs spam filter
was overzealously quarantining the replies. It was not. With no mail message
to reply to I proceeded to interact via the web page with the obvious
problematic results.

As an aside, the OS X mail client does behave as described I the quoted
passage, but this only affects the display and organization of messages in
the client’s mail folders. To the best of my knowledge it does not affect the
functionality of the normal reply-to mechanics nor is it the cause of my 
difficulties
with interacting with the mailing list, but I could be wrong.


I have always found that Thunderbird handles usenet much better than 
Mail, it

is almost as good as slrn.
But the world moves on doesn't it, for me Thunderbird has taken over 
from mutt and slrn

because all my day to day work gets done on this iMac.

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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 21:05:37 Stephen Powell wrote:
 Also, though the code of conduct does not specifically require it, we
 prefer the usenet style of interleaved quoting here, not top-posting.  (I
 haven't seen you top post yet, but I'm just letting you know since you're
 new.)

In order to top post, you first have to quote. ;-)

Lisi


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread David Wright
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
 On Sunday 09 August 2015 14:14:12 Cobra wrote:
  It’s no secret. In the original post I said I did a default install except
  for the inclusion of GNOME. That implies the DM is gdm and the GUI is Gnome
  3.
 
 I've just managed to find your thread opener, and you did in fact mention 
 GNOME.  You are quoting yourself inaccurately.  But I was unable to find it 
 before.  You appear to break the thread every time you reply, which makes the 
 thread very difficult to follow, and earlier emails very difficult to find.
 
 You also don't quote, so you really are very difficult to follow.

I agree: the OP really needs to quote. But I think there's a clue in
Cobra's posting as to what's going on:
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102)

I googled   apple mail threading   and could hardly believe the links
I found. But this takes the biscuit:

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH19125?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US

Mail (Yosemite): conversation

A grouping (or thread) of email messages. Mail uses the subject lines,
dates, senders, recipients, and other information from messages to
group them together in a conversation, so they’re easier to find and
follow. For example, Mail can group messages about a vacation trip,
sent to and from multiple people, into a single conversation.
Only the most recent message of a conversation is shown in the message
list. A number in the top message indicates how many of the
conversation's messages are in the current mailbox.

Last Modified: Nov 13, 2014

So for Apple thread is an alternative alternative term for
Conversation. Most of the other hits are about the difficulties of
making Re: work properly!

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 17:46:43 David Wright wrote:
 Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
  On Sunday 09 August 2015 14:14:12 Cobra wrote:
   It’s no secret. In the original post I said I did a default install
   except for the inclusion of GNOME. That implies the DM is gdm and the
   GUI is Gnome 3.
 
  I've just managed to find your thread opener, and you did in fact
  mention GNOME.  You are quoting yourself inaccurately.  But I was unable
  to find it before.  You appear to break the thread every time you reply,
  which makes the thread very difficult to follow, and earlier emails very
  difficult to find.
 
  You also don't quote, so you really are very difficult to follow.

 I agree: the OP really needs to quote.

If he were to quote, even if he still continued to use Apple Mail, one could 
follow a bit of what he is on about.  But by the time I can't work out or 
sometimes remember to what he is replying, and can't refer back because I 
can't find the emails, I just can't follow.  If many of us find the same, it 
is no wonder that no-one has so far succeeded in helping him solve his 
problem. 

Even Gmail doesn't seem to mess threads up quite so badly.

Lisi


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-08 Thread Curt
On 2015-08-07, Cobra ma...@xmission.com wrote:
 I have completed a network installation of 8.1.0. I left the root
 password blank (i.e., disabled root login), supplied a username and
 password for a system management account, and selected GNOME as the
 only additional software to install.

 After the installed completed and the system rebooted I was unable to
 login to the system management account via the guy interface (i.e.,
 after entering the password the screen went gray for a short time and
 then the re-presented the login display).

 I rebooted into recovery mode, changed the management account
 password, and rebooted the system again. The gui login behaved the
 same. What’s going on?




At the greeter, if you perform a 'ctl alt f2' (I believe that's the key
combo) to get to the console, can you then login?  If so, you could kill
gdm from there (systemctl stop gdm) at which point a 'startx' would get
you into your gui.

Once inside gnome you might explore the possibility of a keymap problem,
as another poster suggested.

That has indeed happened to me.


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Re: Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-08 Thread Cobra
First the typo: The “guy should have been “gui (thanks to autocorrect).

Second memory: That’s why I reset the password from the recovery mode command 
prompt.

Third the management account: The install says that leaving the root password 
blank will result
   in the root account being disabled and the first created users account being 
setup as a 
   management account capable of using sudo to perform management tasks.

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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-08 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2015-08-07 at 08:26 -0600, Cobra wrote:
 I have completed a network installation of 8.1.0. I left the root 
 password blank (i.e., disabled root login), supplied a username and 
 password for a system management account, and selected GNOME as the 
 only additional software to install.
 
 After the installed completed and the system rebooted I was unable to 
 login to the system management account via the guy interface (i.e., 
 after entering the password the screen went gray for a short time and 
 then the re-presented the login display).
 
 I rebooted into recovery mode, changed the management account 
 password, and rebooted the system again. The gui login behaved the 
 same. What’s going on?

Sounds like gdm or X is crashing after login. Check dmesg, system logs,
Xorg log etc.

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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-08 Thread Cobra
Opps! Wrong reply - see “RE: RE: …” below.

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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-08 Thread Cobra
When the failure occurs, there is no error indication; the login screen is just 
reset.

I thought the problem might be the password, that’s why I reset it via the 
command
prompt in recovery mode.

I did not change the keyboard information offered as default during the 
installation
(i.e., English, U.S.).

I am able to login from TTY.


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-08 Thread Cobra
I am able to login via a TTY and start X (via startx command). I have checked
the keymap in Gnome and it is as expected—English (US).


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-08 Thread Curt
On 2015-08-08, Cobra ma...@xmission.com wrote:
 First the typo: The “guy should have been “gui (thanks to
 autocorrect).

 Second memory: That’s why I reset the password from the recovery mode
 command prompt.

 Third the management account: The install says that leaving the root
 password blank will result in the root account being disabled and the
 first created users account being setup as a management account
 capable of using sudo to perform management tasks.


Which leaves us with: you can't log into the gui with sudo?

That may be a design feature (why would you want to do that)?

Dangerous and unnecessary.


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-08 Thread Cobra
I am not trying to log into the gui with sudo, but rather to log into an account
which is able to perform a sudo once logged in. I have also created another
standard user account and am unable to log into that account from the gui
(it behaves just like it does when trying to log into the system management
account).

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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 08 August 2015 18:52:49 Cobra wrote:
 I am not trying to log into the gui with sudo, but rather to log into an
 account which is able to perform a sudo once logged in. I have also created
 another standard user account and am unable to log into that account from
 the gui (it behaves just like it does when trying to log into the system
 management account).

So when do we get let into the secret of which GUI we are talking about?  And 
which dm?

Lisi


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-07 Thread Gary Dale

On 07/08/15 10:26 AM, Cobra wrote:

I have completed a network installation of 8.1.0. I left the root password 
blank (i.e., disabled root login), supplied a username and password for a 
system management account, and selected GNOME as the only additional software 
to install.

After the installed completed and the system rebooted I was unable to login to 
the system management account via the guy interface (i.e., after entering the 
password the screen went gray for a short time and then the re-presented the 
login display).

I rebooted into recovery mode, changed the management account password, and 
rebooted the system again. The gui login behaved the same. What’s going on?



Check to see what the default desktop is.


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-07 Thread Some Body

On 07/08/2015 16:26, Cobra wrote:

After the installed completed and the system rebooted I was unable to login to 
the system management account via the guy interface (i.e., after entering the 
password the screen went gray for a short time and then the re-presented the 
login display).


Does the login display show an error message, like Wrong password ? Or 
is the login screen entirely reset ?


I it is just a wrong password, check the keyboard layout : if you were 
using a different layout in the installer and in the login screen, you 
have to change that of the login screen to enter it correctly.


If the login screen is reset, maybe GNOME can't connect to your account 
for some reason. I saw that when I built a broken encrypted home with 
ecryptfs. Maybe try to login from a TTY ? (you can access TTYs with 
Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6, the GUI is on Ctrl+Alt+F7).


If you can't login at all, try creating a new account from recovery mode.


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Re: Login failure after new install

2015-08-07 Thread Brian
On Fri 07 Aug 2015 at 12:31:19 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:

 On 07/08/15 10:26 AM, Cobra wrote:
 I have completed a network installation of 8.1.0. I left the root password 
 blank (i.e., disabled root login), supplied a username and password for a 
 system management account, and selected GNOME as the only additional 
 software to install.
 
 After the installed completed and the system rebooted I was unable to login 
 to the system management account via the guy interface (i.e., after entering 
 the password the screen went gray for a short time and then the re-presented 
 the login display).
 
 I rebooted into recovery mode, changed the management account password, and 
 rebooted the system again. The gui login behaved the same. What’s going on?
 
 
 Check to see what the default desktop is.

I do not follow completely much of what the OP writes, particularly
system management account and guy interface. Disabling the root
login with the installer simply means administration tasks have to
be carried out with sudo. It does not affect the user account and is
independent of the desktop used.

His problem appear to be he cannot even login to a user account.
Could it be a matter of memory? Not yours or mine - his. :)


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