On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 09:27:46PM +0100, Joe wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:54:19 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:32:37PM +0100, Joe wrote:
A nation of supermarket-keepers.
Why does there seem to be preocupation with hyphens these
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:32:37PM +0100, Joe wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:43:00 +0200
Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote:
On 13/08/15 03:51, Martin McCormick wrote:
For those in the UK, We in North America could
occasionally receive BBC1 from transmitters across the
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:54:19 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:32:37PM +0100, Joe wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:43:00 +0200
Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote:
On 13/08/15 03:51, Martin McCormick wrote:
For those in
On Saturday 15 August 2015 21:57:24 Brad Rogers wrote:
Aha! My mistake - it hasn't come into effect yet. See;
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/06/osborne-slashes-bbc-budget-pa
y-over-75s-tv-licences
In a nutshell, there are plans to introduce legislation to close the
catchup tv
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:46:34 -0500
David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote:
Hello David,
Please give a source for this change. It appears to be contradicted 4
times at
I saw/heard it on the news a while back. Or at least, that's what I
think I heard.
{time passes}
Aha! My mistake - it
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 00:00:57 +0100
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
If the argument is to have non-payment of a licence a civil offence
I'm not opposed to that. The burden of proof would be lower in that
case, of course.
This seems likely to happen fairly soon.
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Joe
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I had a compassion bypass operation a few years ago. Sorry. :)
And a tolerance one.;-) But I in fact outlined the monetary and societal
cost, and therefore inefficiency. You don't need compassion to understand
that, just a
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:08:30 +0100
Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote:
Hello Martin,
they are being broadcast, but rather you *use* some piece of
equipment to watch or record television programmes as they are being
broadcast.
That's changed recently. The as they are being broadcast part has
Quoting Brad Rogers (b...@fineby.me.uk):
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:08:30 +0100
Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote:
Hello Martin,
they are being broadcast, but rather you *use* some piece of
equipment to watch or record television programmes as they are being
broadcast.
That's changed
On 12/08/15 18:23, Brian wrote:
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
I suffer from them, I haven't had a tv since 1971, and they can't let go,
Unless you have typed and sent your mail from a friend's computer, you do.
Conveniently, what the law requires people to
On 13/08/15 03:51, Martin McCormick wrote:
For those in the UK, We in North America could
occasionally receive BBC1 from transmitters across the British
Aisles when Solar activity was high.
British Aisles??
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Ariège, France |
On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 09:08:30 +0100, Martin Read wrote:
On 12/08/15 18:23, Brian wrote:
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
I suffer from them, I haven't had a tv since 1971, and they can't let go,
Unless you have typed and sent your mail from a friend's computer, you
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:43:00 +0200
Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote:
On 13/08/15 03:51, Martin McCormick wrote:
For those in the UK, We in North America could
occasionally receive BBC1 from transmitters across the British
Aisles when Solar activity was high.
British
On Thursday 13 August 2015 09:38:03 Brian wrote:
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 20:04:41 -0500, David Wright wrote:
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote:
The care alone, even were there no
On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 23:29:24 +0100, Martin Read wrote:
On 14/08/15 23:03, Brian wrote:
On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 09:08:30 +0100, Martin Read wrote:
And yes, the law does distinguish between broadcast programmes and live
internet streaming (e.g. the BBC's live coverage of the World Snooker
No
On Saturday 15 August 2015 00:00:57 Brian wrote:
On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 22:52:05 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 13 August 2015 09:38:03 Brian wrote:
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 20:04:41 -0500, David Wright wrote:
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33
On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 22:52:05 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 13 August 2015 09:38:03 Brian wrote:
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 20:04:41 -0500, David Wright wrote:
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
On 12/08/2015 14:56,
On 14/08/15 23:03, Brian wrote:
On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 09:08:30 +0100, Martin Read wrote:
And yes, the law does distinguish between broadcast programmes and live
internet streaming (e.g. the BBC's live coverage of the World Snooker
No it doesn't. Watching BBC News being streamed live with
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 20:04:41 -0500, David Wright wrote:
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote:
The care alone, even were there no societal cost, costs several orders of
magnitude more
tomas writes:
To me, it's just a thinly veiled way of moving things to a flat-tax
scheme, for the benefit of the rich (yes, I know about the official
rationale)
Don't you mean a head tax? Flat tax usually refers to a tax that is a
fixed percentage of all income (or of all expenditures, which
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 02:56:21PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 12 August 2015 14:04:37 marti...@suddenlink.net wrote:
Now think, for a second how much money it costs to outfit
a van [...]
They have a much simpler solution. They
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:06:49AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
tomas writes:
To me, it's just a thinly veiled way of moving things to a flat-tax
scheme, for the benefit of the rich (yes, I know about the official
rationale)
Don't you mean a
Quoting John Hasler (jhas...@newsguy.com):
David Wright writes:
In the UK, tomas's tax would be called a poll tax..
Poll once meant head.
Indeed. But in Britain, the term is politically overloaded, a
touchstone of all that is bad (for a large proportion of the
population). No headline
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote:
The care alone, even were there no societal cost, costs several orders of
magnitude more money than the £145.50 cost of a TV licence. The trial
alone,
David Wright writes:
Indeed. But in Britain, the term is politically overloaded, a
touchstone of all that is bad (for a large proportion of the
population). No headline writer would dream of writing Head Tax when
they can scream Poll Tax. Poll tax is the idiomatic expression, that's
all.
In
For those in the UK, We in North America could
occasionally receive BBC1 from transmitters across the British
Aisles when Solar activity was high. The Band-1 transmissions
were roughly between 41 and 45 MHZ. Audio was AM or amplitude
modulation as well as was the video which was 405-lines
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:04:37 -0500
marti...@suddenlink.net wrote:
Several years ago, one of the United States television
networks did a story on the British TV license and showed agents
in a van driving around looking for the tell-tale weak radio
signals from the local oscillators of
On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 12 August 2015 14:04:37 marti...@suddenlink.net wrote:
Now think, for a second how much money it costs to outfit
a van with high-quality broad-spectrum radio receivers, a person to
drive and another to tune and evaluate what he/she is
David Wright wrote:
When I was a boy, the TV licence fee was taxed (called duty) by the
government at 33%.
This has been a very interesting discussion as I am one
who believes that information and media should be unrestricted
and priced reasonably or subsidized by advertising. Being
All that aside, think of the money that the BBC spends
administering and enforcing the system that they have created.
Indeed. For that same reason public transit systems should be paid out
of the normal government budget rather than being tied to individual
users (which can also be
Le quintidi 25 thermidor, an CCXXIII, marti...@suddenlink.net a écrit :
All that aside, think of the money that the BBC spends
administering and enforcing the system that they have created.
The United States is not immune to this sort of self-harm,
either. It goes on at all levels from
On Wednesday 12 August 2015 14:04:37 marti...@suddenlink.net wrote:
Now think, for a second how much money it costs to outfit
a van with high-quality broad-spectrum radio receivers, a person to
drive and another to tune and evaluate what he/she is receiving
and whether or not it is from
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 12 August 2015 14:04:37 marti...@suddenlink.net wrote:
Now think, for a second how much money it costs to outfit
a van with high-quality broad-spectrum radio receivers, a
Quoting doug (dmcgarr...@optonline.net):
I'm curious. Do you have to pay that sum for each TV receiver, or is
it a balnket license per house?
Also there is a reference to a computer--does a computer count as a TV?
I assume that the license is renewed annually?
The horse's mouth is at
On 08/12/2015 01:23 PM, Brian wrote:
/snip/
I suffer from them, I haven't had a tv since 1971, and they can't let go,
Unless you have typed and sent your mail from a friend's computer, you do.
[Snip]
The care alone, even were there no societal cost, costs several orders of
magnitude more
Quoting John Hasler (jhas...@newsguy.com):
tomas writes:
To me, it's just a thinly veiled way of moving things to a flat-tax
scheme, for the benefit of the rich (yes, I know about the official
rationale)
Don't you mean a head tax? Flat tax usually refers to a tax that is a
fixed
David Wright writes:
In the UK, tomas's tax would be called a poll tax..
Poll once meant head.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On 10/08/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 09 August 2015 22:17:16 Bob Bernstein wrote:
we Yankees are put off by
apothecated, and begin, when we see it, to wonder if we
have any prescriptions that need to be picked up at the good
old apothecary.
And quite right too.
On Sunday 09 August 2015 11:50:48 Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
Hello Renaud,
I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other countries
that have ditched TV licensing, and all the attending
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:23:17 +0100
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
It was bound to have gone on line. But I haven't had to pay for one for 7
years so didn't know that. But I'll still have enough to worry about without
flipping TV licences!
A special tax was understandable in the
On Sunday 09 August 2015 02:48:57 David Wright wrote:
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
I think I may have misunderstood. Do you have no licence, because you
have no TV, or not pay a Licence because you are given one?
Hint: look at my timezone (when you're awake).
D'oh!
As if
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:50:48 +0100
Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:
I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other countries
that have ditched TV licensing, and all the attending bureaucracy, and
replaced it with a single check box on the income tax form...
Because it's not a
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
Hello Renaud,
I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other countries
that have ditched TV licensing, and all the attending bureaucracy, and
replaced it with a single check box on the income
On Sunday 09 August 2015 22:17:16 Bob Bernstein wrote:
we Yankees are put off by
apothecated, and begin, when we see it, to wonder if we
have any prescriptions that need to be picked up at the good
old apothecary.
And quite right too.
You are better proof readers than I. I see what I know
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
On Sunday 09 August 2015 02:48:57 David Wright wrote:
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
I think I may have misunderstood. Do you have no licence, because you
have no TV, or not pay a Licence because you are given one?
Hint: look at
Lisi Reisz wrote:
[snip]
Because it's not a tax.
In effect, it is an apothecated tax. But we are reluctant to acknowledge
that.
I did a duckduckgo search for apothecated. I got a bunch of
colonial dictionaries. Their definitions seemed to make no sense
in context.
What's the Crown's
On Sunday 09 August 2015 15:51:10 Richard Owlett wrote:
Lisi Reisz wrote:
[snip]
Because it's not a tax.
In effect, it is an apothecated tax. But we are reluctant to
acknowledge
that.
I did a duckduckgo search for apothecated. I got a bunch of
colonial dictionaries. Their
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015, Richard Owlett wrote:
I did a duckduckgo search for apothecated.
Same here only used google, which seemed to want to make me
understand how hypothecated should be used.
My hunch is the two words are equivalent in some vague sense
of functionality, but clearly we
On Sunday 09 August 2015 21:51:10 Richard Owlett wrote:
Lisi Reisz wrote:
[snip]
Because it's not a tax.
In effect, it is an apothecated tax. But we are reluctant to acknowledge
that.
Typo and old age with recalcitrant fingers. Also lousy proof reading. I
believe taht I have
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
On Sunday 09 August 2015 20:23:34 Joe wrote:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:50:48 +0100
Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
Hello Renaud,
I
Huh, don't give our stick government any ideas; TV has never had a
license issue in my lifetime in AU. And if the LNP (Liberal/National
Party - coalition or rather demolition!) ... succeeds in screwing us
over more, it just might be on their cards :(
We have pay tv, but plenty of free to air;
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:50:48 +0100
Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
Hello Renaud,
I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other countries
that have ditched TV licensing, and all
On Sunday 09 August 2015 20:23:34 Joe wrote:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:50:48 +0100
Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
Hello Renaud,
I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015, Lisi Reisz wrote:
I have quadruple checked hypothecated. It is right this
time.
It's not as if you are a chronic or multiple offender,
which latter adjective is in some counties preferred for
reference to citizens who earn repeated arrests for driving
while
On Sunday 09 August 2015 22:41:18 David Wright wrote:
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
On Sunday 09 August 2015 02:48:57 David Wright wrote:
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
As if I shan't have
enough to do if my husband predeceases me, I shall have to acquire a
On Saturday 08 August 2015 05:48:43 David Wright wrote:
One other thing: it would be nice to be able to run get-iplayer
through the tunnel, but I haven't managed it. It gets connected
but no bytes are ever delivered to the local file.
Perhaps the BBC has succeeded in disabling it. They
Lisi writes:
And no, as someone accused the other day, this is not a case of
xenophobia, but of money and copyright. People outside the UK are
supposed not to have paid the licence fee.
BBC may own only UK rights, If they authored the material they may have
sold the US rights to a US
Quoting John Hasler (jhas...@newsguy.com):
Lisi writes:
And no, as someone accused the other day, this is not a case of
xenophobia, but of money and copyright. People outside the UK are
supposed not to have paid the licence fee.
BBC may own only UK rights, If they authored the material
David Wright writes:
I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability
end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason
to disqualify people overseas.
That's irrelevant to the rights issue. Once BBC has sold the US rights
to Time-Warner (or whoever)
Sorry, again, John,
On Saturday 08 August 2015 18:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
David Wright writes:
I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability
end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason
to disqualify people overseas.
That's irrelevant
Sorry, John,
On Saturday 08 August 2015 18:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
David Wright writes:
I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability
end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason
to disqualify people overseas.
That's irrelevant to the
Sorry, everybody, this time. :-(
On Saturday 08 August 2015 18:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
David Wright writes:
I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability
end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason
to disqualify people overseas.
That's
Lisi writes:
It isn't the BBC that sells things to Time Warner, surely? It must
be BBC Worldwide, the commercial arm.
It isn't Time-Warner that buys things from the BBC, surely? It must
be Time-Warner Global Media group, the international arm.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI
Bother. Did it again. Sorry.
On Saturday 08 August 2015 21:31:33 John Hasler wrote:
Lisi writes:
It isn't the BBC that sells things to Time Warner, surely? It must
be BBC Worldwide, the commercial arm.
It isn't Time-Warner that buys things from the BBC, surely? It must
be Time-Warner
Lisi Writes:
Do the individual components not buy and sell things?
Things to which they own all rights and with the permission of central
management.
In the case of the BBC it is a significant difference. You are surely
not going to claim that any of Time-Warner is non-commercial?
What's
I've done it again. Sorry, John. I must remember to treat Debian users
differently from other lists.
On Saturday 08 August 2015 22:53:17 John Hasler wrote:
At a guess, BBC transfers all international rights to most works it
authors to BBC Commercial which then markets them, with the result
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
David Wright writes:
I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability
end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason
to disqualify people overseas.
[...]
We are talking about the ordinary
On Sunday 09 August 2015 01:15:41 David Wright wrote:
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
David Wright writes:
I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its
unsustainability end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon
there's no reason to disqualify people
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
I think I may have misunderstood. Do you have no licence, because you have
no
TV, or not pay a Licence because you are given one?
Hint: look at my timezone (when you're awake).
As if I shan't have
enough to do if my husband predeceases me, I
Quoting martin McCormick (marti...@suddenlink.net):
David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk writes:
I think there's a fourth field missing there.
Correct! Please read on.
Anyway, what I just did is: install pptp-linux (which pulls in ppp)
and typed:
# pptpsetup --create work
If I'm reading this correctly, you've stated that the connection must
use MPPE (because of the 'require-mppe-128' command in
/etc/ppp/peers/ufreevpn), but the remote end has replied that MPPE is
not available. Because of this, pppd terminated the connection.
I would suggest confirming the
Quoting martin McCormick (marti...@suddenlink.net):
If I'm reading this correctly, you've stated that the connection must
use MPPE (because of the 'require-mppe-128' command in
/etc/ppp/peers/ufreevpn), but the remote end has replied that MPPE is
not available. Because of this, pppd
David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk writes:
I think there's a fourth field missing there.
Correct! Please read on.
Anyway, what I just did is: install pptp-linux (which pulls in ppp)
and typed:
# pptpsetup --create work --server ukvpn.ufreevpn.com --username
ufreevpn.com --password
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 08:29:31PM -0500, martin McCormick wrote:
ukvpn.ufreevpn.com and I have never seen this work before so I am
not sure what a working setup behaves like. It appears that it
takes a sort of grand tour in which it makes 7 or 8 attempts at
connecting but it ultimately gives
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