, 2006 4:33 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Then I just do not get it. If revenue would not be lost without it and it
costs you money to provide then what is the business case for providing the
service?
Last I checked business, are in business to make
Hi
We're not a service provider (but I love and value the fact that all of you
are!)
Rob
What I find particularly amusing is the line Restrictions apply to service
providers. If there is anyone subscribed to this mailing list who is not
a service provider, please raise your hand.
---
be
easily quantified.
Darin.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
No they do not impose a revenue sharing model, but toilet paper is still a
consumable
\ WCNet
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
You're saying that email and spam/virus scanning is
a service aspect that specifically draws customers to an ISP.
I'msaying it doesn't, that's all.I've not once heard
to be removed so that the factors determining it can be
DC easily quantified.
DC Darin.
DC - Original Message -
DC From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DC To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
DC Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:54 PM
DC Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
DC No they do
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
You're saying that email and spam/virus scanning is a service aspect that
specifically draws customers to an ISP. I'm saying it doesn't, that's all.
I've not once heard a customer state
Title: Message
This has been a great thread to follow and I just want
to add my two cents worth.
At the moment the whole issue of spam filtering is
quite complex. Declude's configuration requires constant tweaking it
seams. That translates into labour.
If Declude can somehow manage to
] On Behalf Of
Darin Cox
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:37 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Kevin,
It would probably help for you to take a course or read a book on
business accounting. There are cost centers, and revenue-generating
centers
in the way they do it. That's what makes this
proposed revenue-sharing model completely impractical.
Darin.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
A book
.
Other than the Commtouch add-on, are there any other features or reasons to
upgrade to 4.3?
Original Message
From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:03 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Gary,
1
pper limit of what we're willing to spend on a tool.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David
Barker
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:51 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Gary,
1. Server
, July 18, 2006 2:09 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Matt,
Managed services is the fastest growing segment of this industry, CAGR
forecasted at 25% per year through 2009. While the industry may seem
commoditized, you have pointed out that businesses
Hi Gary,
What I find particularly amusing is the line Restrictions apply to
service providers.
If there is anyone subscribed to this mailing list who is not a service
provider,
please raise your hand.
Hand !!!
We are a school.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Bonno Bloksma
hoofd systeembeheer
. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG
Integration, and Log Parsers.
- Original Message -
From: Scott Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 - Commtouch trial
11:22
PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude
4.3
Question to thoes that are saying thatspam/virus protestion is a
lost leader/not a revenue builder.
If
it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus
protection?
Kevin Bilbee---This E
If we could get away with it, we wouldn't offer any e-mail service.
There is more tech support overhead and other costs with e-mail than
everything else combined. Unfortunately, not offering e-mail and
Spam/Virus protection is not an option, from a competitive
stand-point.
Tuesday, July 18,
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary
Steiner
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:21 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Basically you are telling me to ignore the Add Commtouch part of your web
page that shows up when I log in to my
, 2006 9:24 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Gary,
4.3 Release notes: Added CT and a Global variable being
initialized more than once has been corrected.
You are correct in your statement, if you do not want to join
our Service Provide
and you.
David B
www.declude.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don
Brown
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:15 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
A friend of mine was one of the original founders
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:24 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Gary,
4.3 Release notes: Added CT and a Global variable being initialized
more than once has been corrected.
You are correct in your statement, if you do not want to join
are moved to the
\review folder.
David B
www.declude.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn
Zajicek
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:53 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Exactly. I'm still running
Be reminded that the board is designed for comments on performance,
function, features of our software. If you have any questions or would
David,
I have asked as well as submitted a inquiry to support and others have asked
Is their a CommTouch trial
How does it work etc
and none of
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
E. Spivack
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:08 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Correction David B, Postini offers a great product, it's Declude with the
product that is questionable.
We switched most of our services over
Darrell,
I am getting there :)
David
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:00 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Be reminded
@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 - Commtouch trial ?
Also, to piggy back on this - we would like to know exactly how this works.
Is something downloaded to your system is it DNS based etc?
Darrell
David Barker wrote:
I did not say that Postini offered a poor service it was a comment from
Matt.
Actually, that was a private comment from and old conversation with me,
and I think the point was missed. Postini is the McDonalds of the spam
blocking business. It's edible, it even tastes
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
David Barker
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:40 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Don,
in this case tells its most active customers that they should
effectively refrain from
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:35 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Kevin,
Mainly
because in order to get other types of business
19, 2006 1:11 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I agree with this. I was also once a hosting provider which was ancillary
to a business that I used to operate which required me to offer hosting. I
added E-mail because I was sick of dealing with my
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:26 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 - Commtouch trial ?
David,
Are components of the message hashed and some
o things.
David B
www.declude.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:11 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I agree with this. I was also once a hosting provider
: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 - Commtouch trial ?
Darrell,
1. Are components of the message hashed and some type of hash is sent to
CommTouch for analysis?
RPD extracts 2 types of patterns from the message, Distribution Patterns
(from the header
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:53 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
David,
It's the revenue share. Is that not a requirement of the gateway
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:41 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 - Commtouch trial ?
Is this how the AV part of the program works and will it run when the other
AV scanners run or is it only run once
.
- Original Message -
From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Matt,
1. With regards to no new functionality, we have been over this I agreed and
made a commitment to address this. I
@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 - Commtouch trial ?
Sound like Cloudmark (http://www.cloudmark.com/) and their free Razor
service (http://razor.sourceforge.net/), which I have already been using
successfully for a few years now.
Bill
their included mail service.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Bilbee
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
So
then indirectly it does generate revenue. Because without it revenue would be
lost. The ISP users
Oh and prices were increased from $132 to $295 before they were
dropped back
to $132 for legacy customers, so there was no price cut except in the
sense
of department stores raising prices to have a sale.
FYI, from the time that Service Agreements first came out through
December, 2004 the
On 7/14/06, Scott Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another hand raised. End User (business) here. Apparantly I missed the
Exchange memo.
Put yourr hand down :-) According to the definition you are a service
provider. Quoted with emphasis added:
definition: a business which provides their
that provides email to
it's own employees.
David B
www.declude.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:41 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
On 7/14/06, Scott
On 7/19/06, Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So then indirectly it does generate revenue. Because without it revenue
would be lost.
Hardly. Carry that argument out to prove how wrong it is. By virtue
of the fact that they allow me to be in business in the first place I
can expect a
.
- Original Message -
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Oh and prices were increased from $132 to $295 before they were
dropped back
to $132 for legacy customers, so
: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
On 7/19/06, Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So then indirectly it does generate revenue. Because without it
revenue would be lost.
Hardly. Carry that argument out to prove how wrong it is. By virtue
of the fact that they allow me to be in business in the first
.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Then I just do not get it. If revenue would not be lost without it and it
costs you money to provide then what is the business
On 7/19/06, Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If revenue would not be lost without it and it costs you money to provide then
what is the business case for providing the service?
In 2006, for any small operator, nothing insofar as the service itself
is concerned. You only do it to provide
:+1 201 934-9206
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn \
WCNet
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 05:01 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I think one thing that happened here
(Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn \
WCNet
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 05:01 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I think one thing that happened here
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Glenn \ WCNet
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:01 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I think one thing that happened here is that the announcement regarding
ComTouch didn't make it *clear
. Of course
you will not be able to quantify the lost new business!
Kevin Bilbee
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn \ WCNet
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:55 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
David,
It's the revenue share. Is that not a requirement of the gateway product?
Are people like me not your target for the gateway product?
It's also what one isn't getting for the product that exists now. I don't
wish to see new functionality added
Message-
DB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don
DB Brown
DB Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:15 PM
DB To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
DB Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
DB A friend of mine was one of the original founders of Bridge Data. They were
DB
, 2006 10:26 AM
DB To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
DB Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 - Commtouch trial ?
DB David,
DB Are components of the message hashed and some type of hash is sent to
DB CommTouch for analysis?
DB What ports/protocol does it communicate with CommTouch back
it entices them to stay.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Bilbee
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Then
stop offering mail if it such a burden to the business. Explain to your customer
that they can
can
go
I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement:
3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the
Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement
unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes
Well the definition says:
As a service provider (definition: a business which provides their
customers with delivery of their Email communications and/or users with
access to their own Email)
We are all businesses of one sort or another - Check
We all provide our customers (internal or
dows not apply to us.
Goran Jovanovic
Omega Network Solutions
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
John T
(Lists)
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I
David - at Declude -
Would you kindly comment on this?
Also on what is Declude 4.3?
-Nick
John T (Lists) wrote:
I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement:
3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the
Licensed Program save as
] On Behalf Of John T
(Lists)
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement:
3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the
Licensed Program
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran
Jovanovic
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 03:24 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
John,
That applies to the Version 4 product for the people who are renting it on
an annual
)
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement:
3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the
Licensed Program save as provided
program was spelled out
somewhere.
Original Message
From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we
Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions
for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component.
Excellent!
Thanks for the reply -
-Nick
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unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL
and RIGHT TO USE FOREVER interchangeably
Goran Jovanovic
Omega Network Solutions
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Andy
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:44 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
, July 18, 2006 12:42 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had
to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06)
understand the licensing restrictions.
Current
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary
Steiner
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:09 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use
Commtouch?
Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, what
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
David, lets say for the sake of discussion I wanted to use/purchase/license
the Declude Gateway product with CommTouch as a legacy customer. Who and
how is the revenue projected or actual derived from use of the CommTouch
software/feature
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
David,
What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe that there is any
revenue to share? For the majority of service
David B
www.declude.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
Barker
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:09 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Matt,
Managed services is the fastest growing segment
people. I have not had pay raise in four years.
- Original Message -
From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Matt,
Managed services is the fastest growing segment of this industry
Of Glenn \
WCNet
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:32 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
To give you guys over at Declude an idea of what is going on out here in the
real world of small ISPs, there may be some small bit of revenue (meaning
funds from paying
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kristina[EMAIL PROTECTED]
David B
www.declude.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Gary,
1. Server Providers who use CommTouch as an add-in to Declude will be in
violation of CommTouch's Terms of service.
2. Some of the benefits of CommTouch are Zero Hour virus protection and
additional spam
My hand is raised.
Kevin Bilbee
Standard Abrasives
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Gary Steiner
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:21 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Basically you
-Original Message-
DB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
DB Barker
DB Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:09 PM
DB To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
DB Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
DB Matt,
DB Managed services is the fastest growing segment
Another hand raised. End User (business) here. Apparantly I missed the
Exchange memo.
- Original Message -
From: Gary Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Basically you are telling
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had
to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06)
understand the licensing restrictions.
Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under
If E-mail with spam and virus protection is offered
to our customers as a loss leader for an unrelated business, does this mean that
CommTouch would pay us to use their product? (Negative
revenue).
- Original Message - What
makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe
Title: Message
Question to thoes that are saying thatspam/virus protestion is a
lost leader/not a revenue builder.
If it
does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus
protection?
Kevin
Bilbee
---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list.
:
declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude
4.3
Question to thoes that are saying thatspam/virus protestion is a
lost leader/not a revenue builder.
If
it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus
protection?
Kevin Bilbee
we're willing to spend on a tool.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
Barker
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:51 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Gary,
1. Server Providers who use
***
Question to thoes that are saying that spam/virus protestion is a lost
leader/not a revenue builder.
If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus
protection?
***
Is this a serious question?
If you don't offer spam and virus filtering, you won't have any
1. Honestly, I don't know.
1b. The mail server would literally be overwhelmed and crash without it.
1c. Perhaps that's not a bad idea. That'd be one less target for the spammers
to hit.
2. A significant number of our users don't use our mail. Many of those that
don't aren't even aware
I agree with this. I was also once a hosting provider which was
ancillary to a business that I used to operate which required me to
offer hosting. I added E-mail because I was sick of dealing with my
customer's ISP's for their E-mail problems (lost passwords, poorly
performing services, bad
With that said, as an add-on in the same regard as things like Sniffer,
CommTouch might be a good solution (if it performs well) for those that
can pay the $195/year, however it still irks me that after two years and
lots of promises, these things are being added at an extra expense and
not
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