Personally I don't care much about 64 bit. Cross platform would be
nice, but realistically we have 1 or 2 inquiries out of hundreds
regarding support for mac or linux - no one has ever asked me about when
we are going to support 64 bit. What I want to see in future versions
of Delphi is
What I want to know is, when are Embarcadero going to support interfaces
on TObject?
Todd.
Personally I don't care much about 64 bit. Cross platform would be
nice, but realistically we have 1 or 2 inquiries out of hundreds
regarding support for mac or linux - no one has ever asked me
Sean Cross
CIO
Catalyst Risk Management
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From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
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I did. And it was.
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What I want to know is, when
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Personally I don't care much about 64 bit. Cross platform would
Garbage collection is what I really want, but it's a long way down the list
of what will ever get added to Delphi :(
Then use C#. I want Delphi as a C++ replacement with as few compromises
as possible, not C#. That said, the C# programming model has things I
wouldnt mind in the language
If you want garbage collection use Prism and run your apps in a managed
environment where garbage collection makes as much sense as it ever will on
current hardware.
In the meantime you can introduce garbage collection into your own code
quite easily by following a few simple patterns, with the
: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
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Garbage collection is what I really want, but it's a long way down the list
I have never understood the fanatical hatred of garbage collection that some
Delphi developers have
Its horses for courses. For predominantly UI based programming, speed is
no issue and GC fine. - and for that matter C# very fine. Combinations
of large, complex datastructure and cpu
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I do use C# where it makes sense. It just doesn't make sense for the sort
of shareware and desktop apps I mostly
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I think the vitriol stems from the idea that people believe (and I think
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I think the vitriol stems from the idea that people believe (and I think
rightly) that the sort
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Hi Sean
I agree with you, GC is good to have at times.
What I am suggesting would allow Delphi to switch on GC, for those that
want it, or off, for those that don't. Or even better, provide GC (or
not) for a subset of registered
I just don't see it working unless it is possible to take sophisticated
applications using the current VCL (ie VCL32) and with some effort but not a
complete rewrite (ie NOT replacing the entire component library!) modify the
code using ifdefs etc so that you have single source that can compile to
Do it properly or don't even bother. That is my advice to them.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 4:02 PM, David
Brennandugda...@dbsolutions.co.nz wrote:
I just don't see it working unless it is possible to take sophisticated
applications using the current VCL (ie VCL32) and with some effort but not a
| I just don't see it working unless it is possible to take
| sophisticated applications using the current VCL (ie VCL32) and
| with some effort but not a complete rewrite snip modify the
| code using ifdefs etc so that you have single source that can compile
| to either platform.
I disagree.
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| I just don't see it working unless it is possible to take
| sophisticated applications using the current VCL (ie VCL32
[mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
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| I just don't see it working unless it is possible to take
| sophisticated applications using the current VCL (ie
David Brennan wrote:
I just don't see it working unless it is possible to take
sophisticated
applications using the current VCL (ie VCL32) and with some
effort but not a
complete rewrite (ie NOT replacing the entire component
library!) modify the
code using ifdefs etc so that you have
[Reply]
At 21:05 on 15/06/2009 Paul wrote
Project X is a rather suspicious title in that regard :-)
Insightful as ever Paul!
kr
Gary
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Fair points, but then it isn't really cross platform is it if you can't
single source your application?
I suppose it depends if you demand 100% single source. :)
Having a split 90/10, 80/20 or even 50/50 of cross platform/platform
specific code in an application is surely better than 0/100 if
Project X is a rather suspicious title in that regard :-)
Hmmm, one might speculate that the project name is itself cross-platform and
loaded with hidden meaning :
OS X
X-Windows
10 = X in Roman Numerals
.. 20 of course = 2 x 10
.. 2 additional X platforms are in the
Jolyon wrote:
Project X is a rather suspicious title in that regard :-)
Hmmm, one might speculate that the project name is itself
cross-platform and
loaded with hidden meaning :
OS X
X-Windows
10 = X in Roman Numerals
.. 20 of course = 2 x 10
.. 2 additional X platforms
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I just don't see it working unless it is possible to take sophisticated
My recollection from DelphiLive! (San Jose) is that Project-X is
specifically targeting Mac and Linux support, and not involving Windows per
se (except in so far as the 64-bit support will also depend on the
re-architected compiler).
i.e. re-architecting the compiler impacts on/delivers into ALL
implementation. Could work
I guess. ;-)
Cheers,
David.
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SNIP
I don't see a problem with 3 distinct VCLs, one for each platform,
provide they all conform to the same interfaces (protected, public and
published) and wrap any platform specific stuff like Windows messaging
inside the controls.
Using a factory to create the VCL components on a form would allow
I don't see a problem with 3 distinct VCLs, one for each platform,
provide they all conform to the same interfaces (protected, public and
published) and wrap any platform specific stuff like Windows messaging
inside the controls.
Using a factory to create the VCL components on a form would allow
Not sure of the pitfalls etc, but the idea is surely worth pursuing, it is
after all pretty much the holy grail of software. The ability to at least
move a pure VCL over several platfrorms to give native versions on each (or
complile all on Windows for instance) would be wonderful.
The areas
Hi guys,
Just to clarify, we're not doing cross platform and then Win64, we're doing
them in parallel (one of the benefits of an increased RD budget under
Embarcadero). Cross platform will make it to market earlier however.
Mike Swindell covers it more in a comment on Marco's post here
Thanks for the clarification Malcolm...
Cheers,
C.
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: Tuesday, 16 June 2009 1:07 PM
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Thanks for the clarification Malcolm...
Cheers,
C.
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That isn't actually incompatible with Wayne Williams comments - nobody has
suggested that one is being *done* before the other, only expressed dismay
at the intent to *deliver* one before the other.
Delivery dates are a function of technical stretch AND priority assigned to
meeting that technical
That isn't actually incompatible with Wayne Williams comments - nobody has
suggested that one is being *done* before the other, only expressed dismay
at the intent to *deliver* one before the other.
Err, righto. As I said in my email, I wanted to make sure people understood the
64 bit
Malcolm,
Obviously the solution is once Project X is completed, don't release
it until the 64bit compiler is done. Then release Project X a few
weeks after the 64 bit compiler is available ;-)
cheers,
Jeremy
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Thanks for the continuing feedback and insight Maclolm. Very much
appreciated.
Can I suggest you take a peek at the poll running on my blog and the
comments to my post on the subject? (www.deltics.co.nz/blog)
I know it's a very small sample size but as I commented in my blog post, the
idea
Hi Jolyon,
As I said, we'll continue to listen and course correct. Feedback we're getting
from customers and potential customers worldwide is that cross platform is a
higher priority. I don't deny that there are people who desperately want 64
bit, I know people in that boat around Asia.
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Hi Jolyon,
As I said, we'll continue to listen and course correct. Feedback we're
getting from customers and potential customers worldwide is that cross
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