Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Maurice Butler
industrial - is the what you are looking for. Unfortunate some of the remote io (including rs232 modules) is now running windows ce - which is a concern, just how much are they harden against attack from with in netwok - security is becoming a problem with staff turn over, you never know how is

Re: [DUG] Faxs

2009-09-20 Thread Paul A Norman
Yes Ian is right, I have Delphi 4 app in mainatanence mode now, but build on them and someone is still using it! I'll have a look at what I did in there. And the TurboPower help has info that I used. Paul 2009/9/18 Ian Drower ian.dro...@idsystems.co.nz Hi Jeremy Its a long shot, but in the

Re: [DUG] Faxs

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy Coulter
No its ok, it WAS actually another issue that was causing a red-hearing in the end. Jeremy From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Paul A Norman Sent: Sunday, 20 September 2009 19:44 To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re:

Re: [DUG] Faxs

2009-09-20 Thread Paul A Norman
cool. 2009/9/20 Jeremy Coulter jscoul...@gmail.com No its ok, it WAS actually another issue that was causing a red-hearing in the end. Jeremy *From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Paul A Norman *Sent:* Sunday, 20 September 2009

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Leigh Wanstead
Hi Paul, Nice email Have a nice day Regards Leigh From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Paul A Norman Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2009 1:09 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Todd Martin
Hi Richard no.. I'm sure they aspire to more than that because they know that their laziness or accident will cause lives.. Just like an Engineer, or Architect knows that mistakes will cost lives.. IMHO there are NO PROFESSIONAL SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS.. its not a profession yet..

[DUG] Certified IT Professionals: ( was ..A change in upgrade policy ...)

2009-09-20 Thread Gary T. Benner
HI Guys, This thread needed a new Subject line ( actually it needed it sometime ago ... so please remember that if you alter the topic being discussed, PLEASE change the subject line, and delete any unnecessary copy from the previous message. Anyway, Todd's comment reminded me of this next

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread David Brennan
Hi Paul, I agree Delphi 8 and Delphi 2005 were mistakes and arguably not fit for purpose. I also agree that no one (ie Borland or Embarcadero) has made good on that. Excluding them from the upgrade path is very poor, and arguably users on those versions should be offered a cheaper upgrade if

Re: [DUG] Certified IT Professionals: ( was ..A change in upgrade policy ...)

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
The Australian Computer Society was(is) trying to do the same. Without much luck I might add. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Gary T. Benner g...@benner.co.nz wrote: HI Guys, This thread needed a new Subject line ( actually it needed it sometime ago ... so please remember that if you alter

Re: [DUG] Certified IT Professionals: ( was ..A change in upgrade policy ...)

2009-09-20 Thread Leigh Wanstead
What is the benefit to become a certified one? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Gary T. Benner Sent: Monday, 21 September 2009 10:25 a.m. To: todd.martin...@gmail.com Cc: delphi@delphi.org.nz Subject: [DUG] Certified IT Professionals: ( was

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
People seem to forget that Delphi 8 was .NET only. Which as a true product no longer exists. I strongly doubt anyone is using Delphi 8 anymore. If Delphi 2005 was so unfit for purpose (which I do not agree with) why didn't you get your money back. Simple as that. Delphi 2005 still created

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Jolyon Smith
At least you are being told in advance. Actually, afaict Embarcadero have been absolutely silent on the matter. The policy change has leaked out only via *some* resellers. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post:

Re: [DUG] Certified IT Professionals: ( was ..A change in upgrade policy ...)

2009-09-20 Thread Richard Vowles
I thought the NZCS was a very nasty swear word. 2009/9/21 Gary T. Benner g...@benner.co.nz HI Guys, This thread needed a new Subject line ( actually it needed it sometime ago ... so please remember that if you alter the topic being discussed, PLEASE change the subject line, and delete any

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: At least you are being told in advance. Actually, afaict Embarcadero have been absolutely silent on the matter.  The policy change has leaked out only via *some* resellers. Which has had the effect of being told in

Re: [DUG] Certified IT Professionals: ( was ..A change in upgrade policy ...)

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
The ACS is :-) On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Richard Vowles rich...@developers-inc.co.nz wrote: I thought the NZCS was a very nasty swear word. 2009/9/21 Gary T. Benner g...@benner.co.nz HI Guys, This thread needed a new Subject line ( actually it needed it sometime ago ... so please

Re: [DUG] Certified IT Professionals:

2009-09-20 Thread Gary T. Benner
[Reply] Hi Guys, Before you spread your guts on the table guys, check it out. The people running NZCS have really got it together, and have created an incredibly dynamic group now. Long gone are the bearded types with obscure and arcane interests, outcasts from the long dismembered

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Paul A Norman
Dear Jeremy, When Corel, ourchase a business, a franchise or just a product line they are very generou and for quite a while offer free transfer and support to license holders, I'm sorry that you left it too late to avail yourself of that. If you want to suggest that D.2005 isn't really all

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Paul A Norman
Actually, afaict Embarcadero have been absolutely silent on the matter. The policy change has leaked out only via *some* resellers. Which has had the effect of being told in advance has it not? We are talking here about stabndards of Software House care and service. So no, in this case the

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
Since it has been leaked, we don't know if they intended to give advanced warning or not. BTW Paul, I don't think your keyboard is fit for purpose ;-) On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Paul A Norman paul.a.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, afaict Embarcadero have been absolutely silent on the

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Paul A Norman
David, You are right, and its worth noting how far along MS have moved their bug fix policy since they tried to charge for cdroms to fix bugs. Many mnay more years support now. Please note the distinguishment that is being made here on the types of bug and fixes. The most important thing is

[DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread Rodney Chan
Hi, I have a D7 Enterprise license and consider to upgrade after all the discussions . :) I pay it personally (it may be rare?). However, my work did not update their license since D6 and I like to keep myself updated. At the moment, I am considering upgrade to one of the following: -

Re: [DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread Todd Martin
Hi Rodney Q3 - The NZ price from Developers Inc. web page seems a bit higher when converted (possibly old exchange rate?). Should I buy from US web site or should I contact Developer Inc. to get the updated price? What are the differences? I think you need a US credit card to purchase from

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
When  Corel, ourchase a business, a franchise or just a product line they are very generou and for quite a while offer free transfer and support to license holders, I'm sorry that you left it too late to avail yourself of that. So how is this different to what Embarcadero is doing? Why didn't

Re: [DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread Kyley Harris
Rodney, I only ever use Pro Version. I use a reliable 3rd part tool for all my native database connectivity. so no issues there.. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Todd Martin todd.martin...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Rodney Q3 - The NZ price from Developers Inc. web page seems a bit higher when

Re: [DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
Q1 - Professional or Enterprise My main development is database applications and I did not use DBExpress (I used ADO) in the past.  However, I still need to connect to various DB servers (i.e. Oracle, MS SQL, MySQL, Firebird, etc.) in the future.  Will there be any major problem if I choose

Re: [DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread Ian Drower
Hi Kyley I'd be interested in the 3rd party tools you're using. I upgraded from Delphi 5 to D2007 mainly to get database connectivity, to MySQL and SQL Server, and to progress on from the BDE / Paradox databases I've been using. (Which, by the way, in the small apps I've been creating ,

[DUG] Delphi 2010 - Help Format

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
Anyone else have issues with the formatting of the help in Delphi 2010. The new format lists Pascal and then C++ information about the topic. The issue is, that I didn't install the C++ compiler and there is no way to hide the C++ content. This means that on a screen with a resolution of

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Malcolm Groves
Hi all, I've just read through quite a few of the messages in this thread (not all, I admit) and there are a few things in here I should respond to. Actually, afaict Embarcadero have been absolutely silent on the matter. The policy change has leaked out only via *some* resellers. Nothing

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Todd Martin
Hi Malcolm It seems to me that a sliding scale on the upgrade price would be the most universally accepted solution. Customers who upgrade more frequently would benefit, while those who don't are not simply discarded. Todd. Hi all, I’ve just read through quite a few of the messages in

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Paul A Norman
I think that there are two very different perceptions of life and values coming out here. One I believe whcih is quite dark. And the other where people do aim at better things and ways of doing things. The choice is important. Paul ___ NZ Borland

Re: [DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread Kyley Harris
I am using the native controls by DevArt.. I find the MS SQL ones are very reliable for MS SQL 2005.. they also have ones for all the other major databases.. the licenses are not insanely high, and you get the code too. http://www.devart.com/sdac/ http://www.devart.com/sdac/As for Code

Re: [DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread Charlie
I too Kyley, would really like to know what 3rd party tools you use/recommend. Also when I read about the code generator that you developed; my immediate thought was I wonder if he'd be willing to teach me/others how to that for ourselves. I'm trying my darnest to arrive at a decision that will

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Kyley Harris
I dont think the Professional version of the delphi application is an unreasonable price.. I think that if you cannot be earning enough from using the tool.. then its the wrong language and tool anyway.. Lets imagine that Delphi was licensed in a rental type scenario.. say $100NZD per month GST

[DUG] FW: A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread David Brennan
Interesting post Malcolm. I have one question for Richard and you... what is the best way to make sure we find out about all discounted upgrade or purchase offers? I get some but I’ve also had a few times in the past (probably not recently so maybe it is fixed) where offers have come and gone

[DUG] Qs on Component Parenting

2009-09-20 Thread Rohit Gupta
I am creating a component inherited from TCustomPanel. It has another Tcustompanel inside it. When components are dropped at design time, I want them to be dropped on the internal panel. I am guessing I have to fiddle with the WM_NC messages to restrict the client area. But how do I coax

Re: [DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread Rodney Chan
Hi Kyley (and others), Thanks for your information about DB connectivity. I also used ODAC before and the VCLs are really good, fast and stable. I have a Oracle project three years ago and customer is still using it without any problem. And you are right, if I need to do .net, it is better off

Re: [DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread Rodney Chan
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Re: [DUG] 3rd Party Componets

2009-09-20 Thread Rohit Gupta
According to Richard, Infopower have an updated suite. I have not got there yet. I have had enough issues with upgrading my own libraries that I am running behind. I will be trying out IBO next, then W2W. I have not upgraded any third part components yet. And I wont unless I have to,

Re: [DUG] FW: A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Richard Vowles
Did you get our (Dev Inc's) last mail out in relation to the 2 for 1 offer? I am about to send a reminder plus a reminder about the event. 2009/9/21 David Brennan dugda...@dbsolutions.co.nz I have one question for Richard and you... what is the best way to make sure we find out about all

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Malcolm Groves
Hi Todd, Probably, but we've always had issues with those in the past because they tend to be more complicated. I'll keep it in mind during the discussion, however. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of

Re: [DUG] FW: A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Malcolm Groves
HI David, Further to Richard's response, ours is mostly driven by your EDN profile. If you've said no to email contact in that, then we try and respect that. If you have agreed to email, and you are still not seeing any emails from us, let me know and I'll check it out. Cheers Malcolm From:

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Leigh Wanstead
Why not implement some flyby points system? :-) The more you pay for Delphi, the more points awarded. And these points can be used towards future purchase of Delphi license :-) Have a nice day Regards Leigh www.smootharm.com -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread John Bird
A few pithy observations: -Short summary - no point complaining!! (as Eckhart Tolle said suffering only starts if you cannot accept what is real) -I have the impressions MS only started supplying free windows updates around the time of XP SP2 once they started getting such bad press about the

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
Loyalty schemes can backfire though. I had a loyalty card with Hudsons Coffee. I went online one day to look at it and calculated how much a month I was spending on coffee and changed my purchasing habits because of it! On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Leigh Wanstead lei...@softtech.co.nz wrote:

Re: [DUG] FW: A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread David Brennan
Mmm, maybe that was the problem. I have now logged into EDN to check and I had Enable Contact selected from the Contact status drop down BUT the Email checkbox for new products, services and special offers was cleared (now remedied). While I was at it I also took the opportunity to move our

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009-09-20 Thread Malcolm Groves
Actually, Anders O did some work on that at some point. Must go back and see where that got to. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- Why not implement some flyby points system? :-) The more you pay for Delphi, the more points awarded. And these points can be used towards future purchase

Re: [DUG] Upgrade considerations

2009-09-20 Thread John Bird
I have been lucky each time I upgraded - essentially it took around 1 hour to get working with the new version. D5 to BDS206 BDS2006 to D2007 -installed the new version, installed a few generic components -- have source for all *(see below) (you need some notes how to do this with

[DUG] Excel

2009-09-20 Thread John Bird
Hope this doesn't get lost in the flurry of posts! Anyone have recommended reading on how to get rows of data out of an Excel spreadsheet. I do have the option of saving to CSV and reading the CSV file. Depends on what is easiest/cheapest. John___

Re: [DUG] Excel

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy North
Consuming a CSV file would be the cheapest and possibly the easiest. How are your COM skills? If using Delphi 2006 and above, and reading the content into a string list, be sure to turn on the StrictDelimiter property. Then you won't have issues with the string list treating a space as a

[DUG] Hash function for string

2009-09-20 Thread John Bird
I need a function to get a hash value from a string about 100 or so characters long, ideally giving something only 10-20 characters max - either a string or number. Any recomendations? Used a simple roll-my own up to now, but it does not work well for more than about 32 characters - well I

Re: [DUG] Hash function for string

2009-09-20 Thread Bevan Edwards
What about using MD5? -- -Original Message- From: John Bird johnkb...@paradise.net.nz Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:10:28 To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi Listdelphi@delphi.org.nz Subject: [DUG] Hash function for string

Re: [DUG] Delphi 2010 - Help Format

2009-09-20 Thread Paul Hectors
Hi Jeremy, Yes, I am also struggling with the search where I get information about .NET or C++ even though I do not care about either of them. I am disappointed and frustrated and do not understand why making the help work is so difficult. At this stage I still spend most of my programming time

Re: [DUG] Excel

2009-09-20 Thread Jeremy Coulter
A Cheaper one is www.nika-soft.com Jeremy -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Bevan Edwards Sent: Monday, 21 September 2009 17:13 To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Excel Not cheap, but