So, I downloaded compiz-config-manager and compiz... it looks like it
would be a great addition to either window management or accessibility.
Either as a new feature to window resizing or as a new standalone
plugin... People with linux GUI design experience should be able to make
a good decision
Okay, I've read a lot of the comments... here's my 2 cents.
Don't change themes or look and feel. Don't even change how the windows
work. (for this problem)
This isn't an issue with resizing windows, it's not an issue with
themes. The look and feel is fine and dandy.
What would be nice is a NEW
@Doug Schultz
I totally agree with you!
So who is going to fix this issue, I don't see any improvements so far
nor updates, just nothing?
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This bug is excruciating. This is the only thing that is seriously
making me consider switching back to mac or windows.
I don't like having to reach for alt, and middle click to perform an
exceptionally basic function of a point and click OS. It's not that
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@mr_step
I totally agree with you!
In the meanwhile you can try my path:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311/comments/155
But Obiwan need to help us indeed...
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Just tested it on Karmic (9.10): [Alt+Middle Click] works with gnome-
terminal and gedit too.
@fermulator: I don't use Compiz. Perhaps it's a Compiz feature to
reassign [Alt+Middle Click]?
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There are lots of workarounds in the previous 163 comments, but this 3
year old bug doesn't need workarounds, it needs Ayatana members or
others to address the issue before we reach a seventh release of Ubuntu
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For reference, Ayatana are actually discussing this right now.
https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg03040.html
As usual, the Ayatana team take a particularly high-level view of issues
like this, so instead of discussing how to implement borders that can
actually be dragged without ninja-like
Compiz 0.9.0 did mention a plugin that would change the resize area of a
window.
From http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2010-July/003429.html
* Added edge support to grid plugin so windows can easily be resized by dragging
to an edge or corner
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I think we should try that indeed!
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@ Melroy van den Berg
[QUOTE]
Clem has a good alternative in the mainwhile:
press Alt on the keyboard while pressing the middle click on the mouse to
resize the window
[/QUOTE]
This workaround doesn't work on terminal windows (or anything that
happens to have an editable text field if you're
@ David Siegel,
[QUOTE]
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Developer Summit next week. Please save your breath, we know it's high
priority and we are going to fix it!
[/QUOTE]
Indeed, a good question. Was there any verdict/action from the
discussion? (willing to help
@fermulator
What terminal window are You talking about? With gnome-terminal [Alt+Middle
Click] works as described. I've also checked with gedit which has editable
text field and it works correct, too.
I don't know where You see the problem.
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Interesting, it didn't work for me at all. The window would basically
get sent to background behind other windows.
I had to apply the patch in
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/207065. Now,
Alt+MiddleClick resize works on any window, and if I so choose,
Alt+RightClick resize
@fermulator
Well, maybe You don't use 10.04? I didn't think about before. This resizing
functionality with an Alt key is working for me in Lucid.
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This is only one of many problems with this theme; what came out of the
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Even on a normal desktop system I always manage it to grab the wrong
window. 1px is ... well, only 1 Pixel for grabbing. One slight movement
and you'll click into empty space or grab the wrong window (or even
accidently click a button of another window in background). I usually
use ALT-click to
@Dominik
I just make a quick patch, see attachment.
Place this *.xml file in:
/usr/share/themes/Shiki-Colors-Metacity/metacity-1
Tt's located in usr/share, so try in terminal:
sudo nautilus
...to have root access to that folder above.
Just select your 'Shiki-Wise' theme with the windowborder
So we are now around 5 weeks since UDS, when this bug was slated to be
discussed, but still no fix is apparent. It does almost make using a
touchpad equipped notebook (with 2 buttons) unusable. 3 times out of 5
attempts you will mistime your click usually either resulting in a non-
event or worse,
I wouldn't call a thicker border less beautiful. In fact, I have tried
increasing the border size in the Ambiance theme and quite like the
result from both an aesthetic and a usability standpoint. (The only
downside is a minor artifact around the menus, but I'm sure an official
solution would be
the only working fix i found so far is installing shiki-colors; they have an
extra setting for window borders:
easy-metacity which uses thicker borders.
I'd also like to add that from the people i could convince to switch to
ubuntu ( 25 so far) almost everyone mentioned that this is really
My idea was, in instead of making the border size thicker (which looks
less beautiful), you can of source set a kinda of offset where you can
resize your window and where not.
Hopefully you can use this...
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@richard
I did not find Chromium, but I saw 'MetaGrip by Sergio Tocalini Joerg'
in the Themes/WindowBorders at art.gnome.org/themes/metacity?page=1
I took the word 'grip' in the title as a hint, and it does seem to have
wider borders. Seems much better as a work-around at least.
And I'll add
I am using Chromium and that has a border hot-spot area of 4 pixels
across, starting at the edge of the window and continuing outside of the
application by a further 3 pixesl (on my 1024x768 monitor).
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I have 5 PCs with Lucid installed
- Thinkpad T41 12monitor @ 1024x768 predominantly used by kb/touchpad
- Thinkpad T60 12monitor @ 1024x768 predominantly used by kb/touchpad
- Desktop/Server running MythTV backfrontend with secondary 14 monitor @
1024x768 for administration using keyboard and
Very irritating bug, especially when working with a smaller touchpad on
a netbook.
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It really is, not only on a small touchpad, but even with my mouse :S
Will there soon be an update, from the Update Manager?
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@Marcus Carlson, daniel, mcphargus, Alden, Melroy van den Berg, The
Fiddler
I agree with you that Alt+click is just a workaround, not a solution, but at
least for me it's a really effective workaround.
I almost never bother with window borders or grippies, because I got so used to
Alt+Clicking
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Thank you for your patch, based on you comments I feel this patch can be
improved to a better fix. As per the policy of the Ubuntu Review Team,
I'm marking this patch as patch-needswork, please feel free to change to
a patch tag when you have a patch ready to be integrated into upstream
and/or
I won't be working on this patch anymore, as I consider it good enough
for my needs. If someone familiar with metacity theming wishes to take a
look, check the attached image for the artifacts caused by the
aforementioned patch: in short, the area left of the File menu should
be dark instead of
We will be discussing this bug and a solution for it at Ubuntu
Developer Summit next week. Please save your breath, we know it's high
priority and we are going to fix it!
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Clem has a good alternative in the mainwhile:
press Alt on the keyboard while pressing the middle click on the mouse to
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Please don't let this workaround dilute the need for a real solution. It
is very awkward to perform on laptops touchpads, where you have to press
alt+ left click + right click + move a finger on the touchpad surface at
the same time.
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This is quite annoying. More so even that the missing tooltips!
I've a 2048x1152 23 monitor and grabbing the edge of windows in Lucid +
Ambiance is very tricky indeed. I didn't have this problem on Karmic, so
for me this is a regression.
I am amazed frankly that this got through QA as it will
Seriously, why even bother having resizable windows? If you're going to
make it this annoying/difficult to resize windows, you might as well
disable it entirely.
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I join my voice to this bug. I'm a using a 24 display at 1920x1200.
It's very unpleasant when I want to resize window. I used the tricks to edit
theme file and add border... It show a ugly side grip, but i'm happy to have
them.
The initial suggestion of invisible grip area larger than visible
Just upgraded to Lynx, and this became an issue for me (theme changes)?
It's one of those nobody notices when it works, really annoying when it
doesn't things.
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This bug has become unbelievably frustrating in Lucid/Radiance/Ambiance,
to the point where I have edited the theme definition to increase border
size from 1 to 5 (diff attached). Yes, this introduces visual glitches,
but glitches are vastly preferable to not being able to resize windows
using a
I agree with the (MANY) others saying that this is a major problem. I
would also mention the tip of the iceberg effect -- for every person
that goes to the trouble to figure out how and where to complain and
does so, there are at least 100 that either assume complaining won't
work (and they seem
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Will it be corrected in ubuntu 10.04?
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No... should be fixed around 2015 or so
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i have been meaning to ask about this for years. this is among the most
annoying failures of ubuntu desktop. what it needs is an invisible
border surrounding the visible border that is grab-able, but that
doesn't screw up the cleanness of the themes effected by this issue...if
that makes sense.
This is VERY annoying and makes use of Ubuntu EXTREMELY difficult.
Please fix this.
three comments:
1. you are wrong (Sigfried) when you say that you don't think that that
most users have any problem with this. We do. Most users just don't
know how to report problems.
2. it is disingenuous
dsa42
I've got to agree with you. The result of triage showing that this
problem has been classified as low shows the Ubuntu team do not really
understand how they should proceed to get Linux on the desktop. There is
no (or little) commercial pressure for new features, but there should be
This has been around since before the last LTS and has only gotten worse
since then? This is another example of an Ubuntu default with a
significant usability issue that has been around for some time.
Workarounds are good, but for something as basic and common as being
able to resize windows, this
The problem is even worse using Ambiance and Radiance themes, because
there's no window menu in the title bar, so the user can't select the
Resize option easily. The user must know that right-clicking on the
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Can someone update the summary of this bug - there is alot of valuable
information in the comments that is not reflected in the summary
- The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens for
several releases
- Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this
- The issue
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:51:26AM -, Chris Kenyon wrote:
- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid
by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel
I have to say I've only noticed this problem first with Lucid - I was
happy with the border width on Intrepid.
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+ - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens for
several releases
+ - Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this
+ - The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid by
changing
Just noted that I could have updated the summary. Chris hides head in
shame :-)
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Does an interface freeze really mean that an obvious bug in the
interface has to fester for six more months? Nobody's suggesting
changing what the interface looks like (well, not in *this* bug report),
just how it acts.
This is a *huge* problem in Ambiance now that the resize target is only
a
The border is way too thin. Resizing is a very hit and miss affair, this
is pathetic.
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it's still a pain. why didn't they solve this issue? ppl should switch
to windows 7 to have a working gui??
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Woah! I wouldn't go /that/ far! But at least you'd be able to resize
windows, eh? :-)
If you don't change your theme much, I recommend following the
instructions I posted way back in comment 58
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311/comments/58).
It's clunky and
53 people affected, +3 duplicates, heat=326. Please consider raising
importance to Medium at least (especially for OneHundredPaperCuts).
As stated in comment 116 the upcoming light-themes won't shine, if this
bug makes it into Lucid.
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The new Radiance and Ambiance metacity themes in Lucid have left and
right border widths of just 1 pixel. (This is different from the default
Human metacity theme in earlier versions of Ubuntu, where the width is 3
pixels.) This issue makes Radiance and Ambiance very difficult to use
for anyone
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Just wanted to add that I'd like to leave my windows without titles and borders
to use desktop space more efficiently. I do need bigger area around windows
sides/ends allowing me to change windows size. As I understand this is what
users are asking for, and it can't resolved by adding bigger
As Siegfried Gevatter first replied I don't think most users have a
problem with that. I have to say that has been shown to now be an issue
for many. This is a severe issue in that anyone hampered by it will be
hit early on in their experience, and have such a high degree of getting
turned off
Just want to register my agreement with those who think this a major usability
issue.
While the right click - resize method is a work around, it is one that the
majority of users will never find. (I didn't until I read it here). It is also
slow and clumsy.
The precision required to select the
Holding the alt key while using the middle mouse button seems to be the
best way to resize windows.
I agree, tis a pain to try and resize from the edge of a window.
On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 05:42 +, imclean wrote:
Just want to register my agreement with those who think this a major
usability
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I deeply agree! Perhaps I go and buy one of those 1dpi gamer mice as
workaround ...
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I agree with David. resize shall be theme-independent, maybe even
border-width independent. And with my Acer 6920G it's a so painful
issue! Imagine a 1920x1080 f-hd resolution in 16 inches... i can only
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and i also agree with @latimerio:
this bug is a huge usability issue. and we all know Ubuntu's interest in
usability.
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As laptop resolutions increase (I just got a new dell that's 1900x1200),
this problem is only going to get worse, especially working with fiddly
trackpads that aren't as precise as mice.
I don't really care about changing the entire theme - the default one is
nice - I just want a slightly larger
How can a bug like this with so many responses be undecided or low in priority?
Usability is a key factor in modern systems and can not be rated high enough.
With usability I mean pure pragmatic ergonomics, not animations or themes which
are merely design which can be argued about.
Usability
Big +1
Imagine how many times each day you try to grab window borders and fail.
On Thursday, 10 December, 2009 05:58 PM, latimerio wrote:
How can a bug like this with so many responses be undecided or low in
priority?
Usability is a key factor in modern systems and can not be rated high
Sorry for the spam but I would like to add that this is definitely a
problem. I just got a new laptop with a 1600x1000 resolution and
resizing windows has become very frustrating.
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Not a fix or anything but i almost always use the alt + middle click to
resize windows.
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Actually, there should be something to teach about both that and the alt +
primary click to drag feature. They are truly useful, yet many don't know about
them. I always miss the dragging one when using MS Windows. Maybe there could
be a video to teach new users.
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@Marcus Carlson - I believe that resizing technique while helpful (what
I end up doing when having trouble myself) is specific to Compiz. I
guess those without good enough hardware would likely be running XFCE
instead of Gnome though.
@daniel - I agree, video tutorials could be helpful. Something
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IT IS A BUG !
No use to blame the themes. There should be a resizable border with it's own
colour around any window no matter what is the theme.
It is a nuisance as well in large monitors as in small laptops with
touchpads.
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I'm one of those who find window resizing a relatively difficult task on
Gnome. The resizing areas are the actual themes border's size.
I think that there should be an optional transparent resizing zone when
necessary.
There should be a changeable default size option that would let us adapt this
I would prefer invisible drag handles at the insides of the window.
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Interesting idea Martin.
This is just IMHO, but personally I don't see much value in a resize
(or HDV) button. The same Resize (R) button is in the top left hand
corner button (i don't' know what it's called) on most windows. Also,
the usability of the Resize in that menu is functional at best
So there are two separate issues here now:
1. Border thickness (Thomas' patch)
--- This introduction of a slider is a great idea. It gives the user some
GUI control of his/her theme in GNOME. I think it's certainly a nice perk, and
is yet another form of control given to the user via the
Please test this theme I'm working on and see if the usablility is
easier to resize on the right and left edges as well as the bottom. I
will port this metacity over to a more human feel, but for testing
purposes I have modded the Impression metacity. Let me know what you
all think of this. If
Right now you resize a window by finding the few pixels on the border that
allow you to drag the window.
I propose that the title bar have resize buttons for vertical, horizontal and
diagonal resize.
+---+---+---++---+---+---+
| H | D | V | Window Title
It should have look like this =)
+---+---+---++---+---+---+
| H | D | V | Window Title | _ | - | x |
+---+---+---++---+---+---+
Alternatively just one resize button?
an alternative to the border snapping behavior could be border
resistance (see xfce for an example of this, one of the tweaks allows to
change this) It could even be presented together with snapping and
selectable with a radio button.
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I see that this is the only solution but that will harm a lot of themes
including mine that has created the window border design for one pixel
width. The only winners would be the very generic themes that nobody
wants to use anymore, imo.
I suspect all the new changes will come in Mutter and
Well, the way I understand it is that Thomas' patch doesn't actually
change the theme border thickness? It just adds a slider to the theme
customisation controls so that those who want a larger border can drag
up the width. No losers that I can see. I just don't think that
there's been any
Although late I want to pin my name to the list of users who think that
resizing windows by grabbing the (any) boarder does turn out the be
impractical.
With a 1680x1050 native resolution in my notebook I had this problem since
feisty.
I second that the resize handle should be independent of
I'm so glad you guys are working on fixing this. I've always had
problems resizing windows in Ubuntu/GNOME.
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Just my opinion:
The borders should not be modified in the metacity xml file so that you could
resize properly. We should not change the designers idea of theme and make it
look ugly by making borders from 1px to 5-6px. We could not ask the Average Joe
to do this by himself. He just wants to
I love the idea of a transparent border, but I despite ANY snapping
behaviour. Regardless, however, I'm not convinced that the work being
undertaken as a paper-cut will include such complicated solutions.
Rather, the patch Thomas submitted upstream, which includes a slider to
determine border
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