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A system should be immediately usable once the installation is finished.
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It feels to me like you want to replace firstboot by a graphical thingy
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while designing the interfaces, and checking how they would be ported to
other OSes, even without actually doing the job.
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Le mercredi 18 mai 2011 à 16:18 +0200, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
On Wed, 18.05.11 15:49, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
I don’t have anything against requiring systemd, since it is definitely
the best init system out there currently, but the Linux dependency is an
absolute
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Isn’t it already the purpose of PackageKit?
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denominator between init systems.
In the end, this behavior is not just making the life of porters
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at runtime when there are API mismatchs. This is a ball and
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is still here with GI.
There should be a way to specify the API version required when you
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the setting can be changed for regular use, and it should be in the
control center, either it should not. The cr*ptool is only useful for a
minority of users who will have the idea to launch it.
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Le mercredi 09 février 2011 à 23:11 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
The same question is for Bonobo applets. Will they still be supported?
Not excessively hard to do so, but not being actively worked on right
now. I'm not sure it's worth investing time in there, since the number
of applets
- not
having the final design or much code for this.)
Is it really necessary? wouldn’t it be simpler to let the user choose in
GDM, provided the packages necessary for fallback mode are installed?
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Le lundi 10 janvier 2011 à 14:00 -0500, Owen Taylor a écrit :
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 19:03 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Is it really necessary? wouldn’t it be simpler to let the user choose in
GDM, provided the packages necessary for fallback mode are installed?
There are multiple ways
.
Last time I tried, Mutter was just insanely slow on that hardware. I
should probably try again with a more recent Clutter version, but this
is my main desktop.
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want it to be
about choice.
It’s always the same people who want it to be about choice. And
generally, it’s not those having to do user support and/or fix bugs.
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shell, that you can choose from GDM once installed.
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afraid I don’t run gnome-shell every day, since I have the -
probably selfish - feeling that I have more valuable things to do than
wondering how it would look if the animations were smooth.
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Le mardi 28 décembre 2010 à 16:53 +0100, Carlos Garcia Campos a écrit :
Is the GNOME 3 panel compatible with the GNOME 2 applets?
There's no gnome 3 panel, gnome-panel hasn't been ported to gtk3 yet,
there's a branch but it's outdated and it still doesn't work.
That’s good then. But does
Le mercredi 29 décembre 2010 à 00:54 -0800, Sandy Armstrong a écrit :
You may lose features in 3.0 *with* gnome-shell, and you may lose even
more features in 3.0 *without* gnome-shell. These features will take
time to return in 3.2, 3.4, etc.
Folks who don't want to lose features like this
Le mardi 28 décembre 2010 à 13:02 +, Rui Tiago Cação Matos a écrit :
What you want is not Gnome 3 then. You want to continue using Gnome 2
and there's no one preventing you from doing that.
Is the GNOME 3 panel compatible with the GNOME 2 applets?
If so, that’s fine. We distributors can
virtualization solution does it
correctly. Now what?
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Le vendredi 22 octobre 2010 à 01:17 -0400, Ray Strode a écrit :
Using GNOME session / g-s-d /etc is one of GDMs main features. The
point is for there to be consistent experience on the login screen and
in the session.
That, I fully agree with. This is a major feature of GDM, that makes
already had it with gnome-session 2.30.
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Le samedi 09 octobre 2010 à 09:25 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
The API/ABI Stable Platfom works in the exact same way as the GNOME 2.x
moduleset, but it can also include dbus services that guarantee
stability of their dbus interfaces.
I’m thrilled to finally see guaranteed ABI
Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 à 16:39 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit :
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
po...@ubuntu.com wrote:
Can't you just create several binary packages out of one source package?
Of course.
But it's a maintenance pain to do so and helps perpetuate
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pretty sure it could also teach people a thing or two about auto-tools.
For the packager’s needs, the NEWS file is enough. For everything else,
there’s the repository. I’m more worried about legal issues.
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Le mardi 15 juin 2010 à 11:28 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
On 06/15/2010 11:03 AM, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
However please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are not wrong, but off point. What I'm saying is that (unlike what
Josselin said) symbol versioning doesn't fix any problem in gtk+.
Le mardi 03 août 2010 à 19:17 +0200, Xan Lopez a écrit :
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
We talked about it today on #debian-devel, and it turns out there is a
very serious problem that is fixed by symbol versioning in GTK+.
$ objdump -p /usr/lib
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Le jeudi 01 juillet 2010 à 11:35 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
However, do the libraries that break ABI all the time, really bump their major
so-version with every break?
They don’t, and this breaks some systems. Any initiative that reduces
the amount of such breakage is welcome.
This is
on
whether it is built against GTK+ 2.x or 3.x.
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Le lundi 14 juin 2010 à 23:17 +0200, Andy Wingo a écrit :
People can do what they like of course, and I recall back when GStreamer
used to compile against
examples that are parallel installable and use symbol
versioning in the way that was proposed on this list?
For example there’s libpng, and libjpeg is underway. But of course this
won’t solve cases of passing a libpng structure from a higher-level
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For example I would be worried to have pygtk expose the same interface
for 3.0 and 2.0, like it used to do at the time of the 1.2 → 2.0
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The fact that we can (and will) make decisions will not magically bring
the same amount of resources into supporting them without upstream
backing us.
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it is very likely to happen anyway - for stuff using Gdk
and Gdk_pixbuf, or for some plugins.
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:)
And before you ask: yes, I will file bugs about the menu’s usability.
But first I need a driver that gets it to work.
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for a very long time, unless we want to provide
two radically different user experiences.
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disappointed to see that. Packages without AM_MAINTAINER_MODE
will break erratically when we introduce patches downstream, so the only
thing it achieves is making things harder for us.
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And ironically, this is the kind of nostalgia that makes life harder for
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. And 5-6 years before
being able to get completely rid of it.
This plan is clearly less work right now, but it means more maintenance
work in the long term.
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Le dimanche 04 octobre 2009 à 00:43 +0100, Dean Sas a écrit :
Josselin Mouette wrote:
The real killer for me is the dynamic application menu (or list of
applications, or whatever it is called). I’ve always hated
gnome-main-menu, and I don’t think I will like this more. Having
(rhythmbox, banshee)
I also like to have only one browser window, but I guess this is where
taste starts to matter.
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this is in violation of the licensing terms.
It would be nice if maintainers could add changelog generation in all
such modules – preferably one that doesn’t generate megabyte-large
changelogs.
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And generally I read the NEWS, but often I need more than that, and an
appropriate ChangeLog is required.
Furthermore, NEWS doesn’t comply with the GPL, which requires at least
the modification dates.
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Hi,
has there been any progress on porting gnome-shell to using seed instead
of gjs? It sounds kind of silly to use two JavaScript engines, and to
reintroduce a dependency on Gecko after having finally managed to get
rid of it.
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in Debian for long. Of course, we are
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in the desktop. If only 3 of all possible
Tracker uses were implemented in existing desktop applications, we would
be able to clearly tell whether it is worth including.
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. Using only ALSA (or a sound system with similar capabilities
such as OSSv4) is a dead-end.
To do things like that with Linux, you’ve always needed JACK until now.
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to split out translations from these files. There
are technical challenges, but it also looks like a good thing to
do. This leaves them in /etc, but it is much less problematic.
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it in its binary package.
But, code-wise, spidermonkey is just a smallish standalone library, is
the point.
Actually, it also depends on libnspr. Currently evolution-data-server
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services using the API?
How is this different from swfdec?
Flash is a technology used on hundreds of thousands web sites, with
several free software implementations available on the server side.
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Le vendredi 10 avril 2009 à 15:15 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Just a stupid question... Why should we switch to GSettings? Ie, what
does it bring us that we can't do with gconf?
So far, I heard a performance argument. Anything else?
Getting rid of the ORBit dependency?
(if GSettings goes
Le samedi 04 avril 2009 à 15:33 +0200, Dodji Seketeli a écrit :
Then why not just run the current metacity + gnome applet combinations of
today
on that hardware ? Assuming metacity + current gnome applets are not going to
vanish all of a sudden.
Of course, that would result in more work
Le vendredi 03 avril 2009 à 12:15 -0400, Ryan Lortie a écrit :
Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
But that still doesn't solve the problem of using the same key from two
totally different applications, which is not quite uncommon these days.
Say, font size, colors, default applications, etc. How does
Le vendredi 03 avril 2009 à 09:48 -0400, Havoc Pennington a écrit :
We learned, with the GIO transition, that porting lots of applications
isn't fun, and is something which takes much time to be completed
project-wide. As GConf is probably even more widely used than gnome-vfs
was, porting
Le vendredi 03 avril 2009 à 09:40 +0100, Rob Taylor a écrit :
- gnome-termial will launch, try to connect to the session bus.
- as the bus isn't available libdbus will launch dbus-launch, which
will start a new session bus daemon for the 'root' user.
This is the part that doesn’t happen.
Le vendredi 03 avril 2009 à 15:25 -0400, Ryan Lortie a écrit :
The concept of mandatory keys is actually being cribbed from the way
that KDE does it more or less. ie: you have an ordering of databases.
The user one being on one extreme end and the distro default or
whatever being on the
Le mardi 31 mars 2009 à 14:10 -0400, Owen Taylor a écrit :
I just don't think it makes sense to code GNOME Shell to the limitations
of other pieces of the software stack. The effort to fix the other
pieces of the stack - to create free software ways of doing thin clients
with a composited
Le lundi 30 mars 2009 à 15:20 -0500, Ted Gould a écrit :
Swappable Window Managers isn't important. Being able to have graceful
degradation down to non-composited environments is.
I totally agree with this. There is way too much hardware for which
acceleration is not supported under Linux,
Le mercredi 11 mars 2009 à 19:42 -0400, Luis Villa a écrit :
- capture more complete distro and component revision information.
This is pretty complete in modern versions of bug-buddy, I believe.
Clearly not. Compared to reportbug, which brings information about
kernel revision, APT
Le mardi 24 février 2009 à 23:10 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Which is why putting this in gnome-python-extras is a good solution:
this will still be available if it's needed, but it won't be part of
GNOME (since nothing in GNOME depends on it anymore).
From the downstream POV, this only
Le vendredi 20 février 2009 à 15:21 +, Alexander Larsson a écrit :
However, I do agree that it is a bit bad that you can be a target of an
attack like this without really being able to realize it. So, my current
plan is two-fold:
1) Only detect desktop files with .desktop extension. I.e.
Le jeudi 12 février 2009 à 00:18 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit :
I agree with dropping crash.g.o but I'd rather see app like apport
replacing bug-buddy. If there are no debug symbols, let the downstream
handle it (in case of PLD that would mean report a bug on Launchpad,
some other distro
Le mardi 27 janvier 2009 à 15:53 +1300, Callum McKenzie a écrit :
Three weeks ago I removed the gstreamer-based volume-control applet from
the gnome-applets package at the request of the gnome-media crew. I then
sat on the sidelines to see how the drama would play out. Now that the
dust seems
Le mercredi 21 janvier 2009 à 19:20 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
pulseaudio (external dependency)
Could you please make it clear whether it is acceptable to have a
dependency on libpulse (which is fine), or whether modules can require a
running instance of pulseaudio (which is not) ?
There
Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 19:30 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
Feel free to maintain a separate module with the old code...
This is not an option. As downstream maintainers we will *have* to
maintain the old code.
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Le dimanche 18 janvier 2009 à 14:52 -0600, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com
wrote:
Gnome Games has bumped the GGZ dependency from 0.0.14 to 0.99.5 due to
this library breaking API. It appears that no distro. (at least Debian
Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 11:21 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
you're right about the resources taken by the hidden applet, but as you
see, Debian, openSUSE and Mandriva need ways to offer users a fallback,
so we really need it. If there's a better solution than hiding the
applet, let's use
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
pulseaudio (and it should)
Again, this cannot be a distribution choice!
We can ship PA by default and make everything possible to get the best
of it, but
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 19:18 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
- Split Brasero into a library (available on trunk) named
libbrasero-media that is being documented (devhelp) and re-arranged so
we can deliver a stable API.
The library isn't usable in Rhythmbox or sound-juicer, as it
Le jeudi 15 janvier 2009 à 12:55 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
If the two applets don’t share the basic UI (one panel applet and one
notification icon), that’s a bigger problem. I guess we could always
ship the GStreamer one and start the PA one only if PA is running, but
that’s not very
Le jeudi 15 janvier 2009 à 11:12 -0600, Brian Cameron a écrit :
No distribution can ship any popular non-free GStreamer codecs if
the GStreamer based programs link in any GPL code without the exception.
Well first of all, I find this interpretation of the GPL rather extreme.
A GStreamer plugin
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 20:54 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
Oh right, so we have to choose between supporting only PA and screw
other users, or not benefit from PA at all. What a choice.
Uh? You can ship both if you wish and pass the decision what to use to
the user. I mean, that
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 15:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
Can you explain me how removing IEC958 support (to only talk of the
example on the top of my head) is a progression?
Ah, maybe I finally get to learn what that mysterious checkbox labeled
IEC958 was supposed to do.
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