Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2013-02-06 Thread Kjartan Maraas
on., 05.12.2012 kl. 09.56 -0500, skrev Shaun McCance: On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 17:24 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Philip Withnall phi...@tecnocode.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 09:51 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shaun

Re: En-dash versus em-dash (was: Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods)

2012-12-26 Thread Philip Withnall
On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 13:15 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: But if we're going to write guidelines, here's my semi-professinal opinion: * Using hyphens instead of dashes for parenthetical text is awful. Using unspaced hyphens-like this-is downright confusing. * I'm old and I like unspaced

Re: En-dash versus em-dash (was: Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods)

2012-12-11 Thread Philip Withnall
On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 13:15 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: * Unspaced en-dashes are for indicating ranges. We should use those too, though the hyphen isn't quite as ugly when misused in this case. Since this one should be fairly uncontroversial, I’ve added it to the wiki page with the note that

En-dash versus em-dash (was: Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods)

2012-12-10 Thread Robin Stocker
Philip Withnall wrote: I’ve created https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/UnicodeUsage which I think covers everything discussed in this thread so far. Please feel free to add further suggestions to it, or move things from the ‘discussion’ to the ‘agreed’ list. Looks good. The only thing I’d like

Re: En-dash versus em-dash (was: Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods)

2012-12-10 Thread Philip Withnall
On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 12:50 +0100, Robin Stocker wrote: Philip Withnall wrote: I’ve created https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/UnicodeUsage which I think covers everything discussed in this thread so far. Please feel free to add further suggestions to it, or move things from the

Re: En-dash versus em-dash (was: Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods)

2012-12-10 Thread Shaun McCance
On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 12:50 +0100, Robin Stocker wrote: Philip Withnall wrote: I’ve created https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/UnicodeUsage which I think covers everything discussed in this thread so far. Please feel free to add further suggestions to it, or move things from the

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-09 Thread Philip Withnall
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 10:01 +0100, Stefan Sauer wrote: On 12/04/2012 01:09 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: I think it's time that we move away from using three periods (...) to represent the ellipsis and instead use the Unicode character (…). This style has already been adopted by Microsoft [1]

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-08 Thread Stefan Sauer
On 12/04/2012 01:09 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: I think it's time that we move away from using three periods (...) to represent the ellipsis and instead use the Unicode character (…). This style has already been adopted by Microsoft [1] and Apple [2]. [1]

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-05 Thread Philip Withnall
On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 17:30 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say its up to the translators of each locale to say what format is most appropriate for their language. Date and time formats are translatable

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-05 Thread Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say its up to the translators of each locale to say what format is most appropriate for their language. Date and time formats

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy pclo...@gmail.com wrote: So this change will be in en_US.po, not in .pot file? The reason is many translators will simply copy the original string down. Even if one knows about this, it's really hard to know which one is colon, which is

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-05 Thread Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy pclo...@gmail.com wrote: So this change will be in en_US.po, not in .pot file? The reason is many translators will simply copy the original string down. Even

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-05 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 20:32 +0700, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy pclo...@gmail.com wrote: So this change will be in en_US.po, not in .pot file? The reason

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-05 Thread Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: Yeah. I remember seeing Bastien or someone complain about comments about key names in gtk+ being ignored by translators. I would not count too much on it. I probably did when all the clutter applications were crashing

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-05 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 17:24 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Philip Withnall phi...@tecnocode.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 09:51 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: Is this really the

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Philip Withnall
On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 22:01 -0600, Ted Gould wrote: On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 19:09 -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: I think it's time that we move away from using three periods (...) to represent the ellipsis and instead use the Unicode character (…). We've been trying to do this on the Unity

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Philip Withnall
On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 19:09 -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: I think it's time that we move away from using three periods (...) to represent the ellipsis and instead use the Unicode character (…). This style has already been adopted by Microsoft [1] and Apple [2]. [1]

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread David King
On 2012-12-04 09:08, Philip Withnall phi...@tecnocode.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 22:01 -0600, Ted Gould wrote: On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 19:09 -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: I think it's time that we move away from using three periods (...) to represent the ellipsis and instead use the

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: On the other hand, I think it's less clear whether we should change command line output as the single Unicode ellipsis takes up significantly less space than three periods in a monospace font. Please stick with ASCII for

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Philip Withnall
On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 09:40 +, David King wrote: On 2012-12-04 09:08, Philip Withnall phi...@tecnocode.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 22:01 -0600, Ted Gould wrote: On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 19:09 -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: I think it's time that we move away from using three periods

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
While we are talking about better use of Unicode, I've recently spent some time improving the time rendering in a few prominent places, by using the 'ratio' character instead of plain ascii : - some screenshots of the difference can be seen in bug 689184 [1]. It might be a good idea to do this

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le lundi 03 décembre 2012 à 19:09 -0500, Jeremy Bicha a écrit : I think it's time that we move away from using three periods (...) to represent the ellipsis and instead use the Unicode character (…). This style has already been adopted by Microsoft [1] and Apple [2]. [1]

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 06:40 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: While we are talking about better use of Unicode, I've recently spent some time improving the time rendering in a few prominent places, by using the 'ratio' character instead of plain ascii : - some screenshots of the difference can be

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: Is this really the right thing to do. Even the Microsoft page uses the rather wishy-washy Consider using the ratio symbol, as if they're not quite sure this is a good idea. It does look nicer, but it's semantically wrong. A

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 4 December 2012 09:21, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: Is this really the right thing to do. Even the Microsoft page uses the rather wishy-washy Consider using the ratio symbol, as if they're not quite sure this is a good idea. It does look nicer, but it's semantically wrong. A time

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread meg ford
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Philip Withnall phi...@tecnocode.co.ukwrote: On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 09:51 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: Is this really the right thing to do. Even the Microsoft page uses the rather

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Philip Withnall phi...@tecnocode.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 09:51 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: Is this really the right thing to do. Even the Microsoft page uses the rather

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say its up to the translators of each locale to say what format is most appropriate for their language. Date and time formats are translatable for a reason... and, to finish that thought, therefore the

Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-03 Thread Jeremy Bicha
I think it's time that we move away from using three periods (...) to represent the ellipsis and instead use the Unicode character (…). This style has already been adopted by Microsoft [1] and Apple [2]. [1]

Re: Using the Unicode ellipsis (…) instead of three periods

2012-12-03 Thread Ted Gould
On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 19:09 -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: I think it's time that we move away from using three periods (...) to represent the ellipsis and instead use the Unicode character (…). We've been trying to do this on the Unity Indicators and I wrote a small automake fragment to test for