Re: GNOME 3.22.0 newstable tarballs due (and more) (responsible: mclasen)

2016-09-21 Thread Murray Cumming
On Di, 2016-09-20 at 19:06 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > glibmm, [snip] gtkmm, I generally don't do a .0 version of glib or gtkmm until the .0 version of glib and gtk+ exists. -- Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com ___ desk

Re: Feedback from downstreams presentation from DX hackfest 2015

2015-02-11 Thread Murray Cumming
abstraction layer to another sane abstraction layer than from some gnarly specific database API to one that's just gnarly in another way. -- Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Feedback from downstreams presentation from DX hackfest 2015

2015-02-03 Thread Murray Cumming
it fully but I'm available for freelance work. -- Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: Feedback from downstreams presentation from DX hackfest 2015

2015-02-03 Thread Murray Cumming
feelings about how it should be done. A long time ago, Danilo Segan kind of had this working at least for DocBook as a Google Summer of Code project: https://wiki.gnome.org/Attic/LiveDocumentationEditing -- Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com signature.asc Description

Re: Feedback from downstreams presentation from DX hackfest 2015

2015-02-03 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2015-02-03 at 09:23 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: Searching of gtkmm documentation has been working in devhelp for years, and I've just tested it here both in regular Ubuntu and in jhbuild. I mean, searching of the index, of course. I don't think devhelp offers full text search for any

Re: Use of maintainer mode in GNOME modules

2011-09-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 09:50 -0400, Ryan Lortie wrote: We're currently suffering because gnome-common also ties maintainer mode to the enabling of deprecation checks and we're not sure we want these to be enabled by default for casual tarball downloaders. [snip] This is not a problem

Re: Use of maintainer mode in GNOME modules

2011-09-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 08:15 -0400, Ryan Lortie wrote: hi Murray, On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 10:05 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: No packager has mentioned any problem with gtkmm and friends. This is not about reducing problems for packagers. It's about reducing problems for those who try

Re: Use of maintainer mode in GNOME modules

2011-09-12 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 13:09 +0100, Javier Jardón wrote: Hi all, As you can read in the Ryan blog post [1], the use of the AM_MAINTAINER_MODE macro is only correct when used in this way: AM_MAINTAINER_MODE([enable]) As ryan said in the blog post, fredp made a report page for packages

Re: IRC channels in gnome development

2011-02-07 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 14:27 +, Allan Day wrote: It simply isn't true to say that we haven't made an effort to explain what we're doing. I explained many of the design considerations in my blog post [1] on this subject, and I did that precisely because I wanted to help people to be

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2011-01-31 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 12:43 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 10:03 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: Murray Cumming wrote: What is happening? Maintainers deserve to know. Taking just the bindings, for example, you seem to have done this without bothering

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2011-01-25 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 10:03 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: Murray Cumming wrote: What is happening? Maintainers deserve to know. Taking just the bindings, for example, you seem to have done this without bothering to inform the affected maintainers - Dropped all bindings apart

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2011-01-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:57 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:52 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 13:53 +0100, Kenneth Nielsen wrote: I'm interested to know what is going to happen about the module set reorganization now. We had the second proposal

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2011-01-03 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 13:53 +0100, Kenneth Nielsen wrote: I'm interested to know what is going to happen about the module set reorganization now. We had the second proposal presented, we had a HUGE discussion about pros and cons with a lot of different views on this. So now what? - Will

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2011-01-03 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:52 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 13:53 +0100, Kenneth Nielsen wrote: I'm interested to know what is going to happen about the module set reorganization now. We had the second proposal presented, we had a HUGE discussion about pros and cons

Re: My thoughts on fallback mode

2011-01-03 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 00:14 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: I count three ways of doing that: • Ctrl + Shift + U + hexadecimal. • Compose key. They are obscure. • Character Map Launching an app to enter a single character? This doesn't seem serious. -- murr...@murrayc.com

Re: Another build status update

2010-12-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 11:06 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: gtkmm (seems to have problems with GdkPixbufFormat) Could you give me more details, please. This is the first I've heard of it, and I'm working almost every day to keep gtkmm building against GTK+ from git master. -- murr...@murrayc.com

Re: Another build status update

2010-12-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 10:18 +0100, Juanjo Marin wrote: El jue, 16-12-2010 a las 10:03 +0100, Murray Cumming escribió: On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 11:06 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: gtkmm (seems to have problems with GdkPixbufFormat) Could you give me more details, please. This is the first

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2010-10-15 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 13:38 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: System Platform === The System Platform is the set of libraries or dbus services that are used in GNOME, but are modules belonging to lower parts of the stack. We encourage their use for GNOME applications. This set

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2010-10-15 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 11:33 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote: On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 17:21 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 13:38 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: System Platform === The System Platform is the set of libraries or dbus services that are used

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2010-10-14 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 09:21 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote: Then I think your proposal will be a complete disaster. I'm horrified that we must again justify the existence of a shared release schedule and of a release

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2010-10-13 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 15:28 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: This was mentioned later in the proposal: we encourage app developers to follow the GNOME schedule. But if they don't, they need to publish their schedule. We think most people will adopt the GNOME schedule, but some app developers

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2010-10-12 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 15:03 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Good point. It's fair to expect projects not using the GNOME development cycle to publish a schedule with freezes. You would allow modules in the module sets that don't follow the GNOME schedule? Then it loses all meaning. Once again,

Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

2010-10-07 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 13:38 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: + feedback will not be centered around the goal of the application, but about its technical merits: - use of GNOME technologies - integration with the Core Desktop - usability and respect of the HIG - existence of

Re: 2.91 tarballs?

2010-08-09 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 16:49 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: 90 is an even number, and thus 'stable', surely? Correct that this might create problems, e.g. with library.gnome.org and some other scripts. It does. Changing it to 2.91 would make life easier, avoiding the need for special hacks.

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 09:56 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: Given that apps that wanted to port to GSettings are already ported, I really don't see why we're advising to use GTK+ 2.x/3.x selection at configure-time when we've been telling people to target GTK+ 3.x. Surely GNOME 2.32 can use

Re: New external dependencies for Rygel: GUPnP Libgee

2010-06-18 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 02:05 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: If these things usually take such a long time, I don't think I'll have any choice but to start doing most of the development on gitorious clone and only sync to gnome git master twice a month. :( I hope thats OK with everyone?

Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90

2010-06-15 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 22:33 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: [...] our one CD constraint will make challenging to ship 2 versions of the GTK stack. I would take this a somewhat seriously, if it did not come from

Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90

2010-06-13 Thread Murray Cumming
if avahi-ui was a separate module. -- murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From 4f245843c26940fb9cf55c6fdf1af8ca8e91c755 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:59:58 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] avahi-ui: Use gtk-3.0 instead of gtk-2.0

Re: Modulesets Reorganization

2010-06-02 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 08:50 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: And my last issue with the proposal: All applications could decide their own release schedule ?!? This effectively leaves those applications with nobody to manage their release schedules. I don't see how that benefits the developers

Re: Modulesets Reorganization

2010-06-02 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 18:14 +0800, Paul Cutler wrote: [snip] I had volunteered (long ago) to write the documentation for Banshee, and once this decision was made to align with the GNOME release cycle, it was a very big motivational tool to get the documentation finished. It's very nice when

Re: Modulesets Reorganization

2010-06-02 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 07:52 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: ...total nightmare... ...crush all these efforts... I understand that change is uncomfortable and incites fear, but can we please lay off the melodramatic voice here ? There's three basic facts that lead us to this proposal: 1.

Re: [Fwd: Proposing new external dependency for Empathy: libfolks]

2010-05-25 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 11:07 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: Hello all, It arrived late and was limited to the release team, but as we didn't announce module decisions yet, if you have any comment on this proposal for a new external dependency, please speak up. If libfolks works in Empathy

Re: FooCanvas for 3.0?

2010-05-06 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 12:13 +0200, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi! Many applications now use GooCanvas which is cairo based and still maintained. Yes, I know. Some use others. Anyway, none of them is part of GNOME and it doesn't look like any would become that any time soon. I think a

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 07:15 +, j...@jsschmid.de wrote: We don't have any concrete plans. However moving our tarballs to GNOME FTP should pose no problem at all, likewise for i18n. Since we are talking daemons here i18n is not a big part of the project. As for VCS and bug tracking

Re: Reminder : do NOT hardcode deprecation flags in tarball / new tarballs NEEDED

2010-03-10 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 19:05 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote: Since I'm the release team member taking care of 2.29.92 release, I'm going to rant again against modules which are hardcoding deprecation flags in their configure.in (or Makefile.am), even when building from tarballs. Please, avoid

Re: Proposal: What's new

2009-11-18 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 10:12 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: Hi guys, girls, men and women ;) I've already briefly mentioned the idea in the past but never really proposed it here. The idea is to add another option called What's new to the Help menu in all GNOME applications. As the name

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-30 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 00:08 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: The problem is that to leverage the full power of tracker, you need much deeper integration and its not practical to make it optional in those cases This is a very general and broad statement concerning the key element in

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested had an opinion on GNOME module inclusion for Tracker. You can see the thread here:

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:44 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 28.10.2009, 20:04 -0700 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna: So the current barriers I see is: [...] * release process should match with GNOME. As I see regular (weekly) releases at

Re: Project proposal: libvtemm

2009-10-26 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 00:08 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Montag, den 12.10.2009, 17:35 +0200 schrieb Krzesimir Nowak: I'm a maintainer of libvtemm and I'd like to propose it to be a part of GNOME. Libraries don't belong in Desktop until they are used by something in Desktop. Libraries

Re: New Module Proposal. libseed

2009-05-13 Thread Murray Cumming
Quite apart from choosing which 1 of 2 candidate engines we should choose, something seems very wrong if we have to maintain a runtime engine for a programming language that we want to use. It's not something we do for any other programming languages. This strongly suggests that this is not a

Re: Libglade officially deprecated in favor of GtkBuilder.

2009-05-11 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 00:26 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: Hi, The GNOME Release team has officially deprecated libglade in favor of GtkBuilder. Some reasons: * GtkBuilder is actively maintained. * GtkBuilder can create non-widgets (like treemodels). * It's one less library. Aim is

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-22 Thread Murray Cumming
. is recorded as a line in the file whenever it officially lands. This is basically what I do. I put the file at the top-level and called it ChangeLog. That's generally what NEWS is for. -- Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-21 Thread Murray Cumming
will not change that practice just because of a VCS change. No, I'm not interested in discussing it. -- Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org

Re: New module decisions for 2.26

2009-03-04 Thread Murray Cumming
this, which surprises me. Was it resolved? Is CD/DVD burning in GNOME 2.26 as easy as it was before? -- Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http

Re: quo vadis, docs

2009-02-10 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 13:44 +, Alberto Ruiz wrote: not even clear in the GDP documentation how to generate a damn thing from the .xml file. You don't need to generate anything. yelp renders DocBook XML files directly, though I only manage to do that by dragging and dropping from nautilus to

Re: quo vadis, docs

2009-02-09 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 11:44 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: - If the docs team doesn't have the man power to follow major UI changes, why bother with a UI freeze at all ? Because the day the docs team does have man power, if we don't have one, it'll be a mess. And because, regardless of the

Re: quo vadis, docs

2009-02-09 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 12:37 -0500, Dan Winship wrote: The fundamental truth about documentation is that most users simply *do not* read manuals. However, we are dealing with a very large number of users, and a fairly large minority actually do care about manuals. And some of them would even

Re: quo vadis, docs

2009-02-09 Thread Murray Cumming
it can't produce the specific tags such as menuchoice. I don't personally find Docbook that hard. I just copy it from elsewhere, just like I once learned HTML. A GUI editor would be nice, of course. -- Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com

Re: Hosting app binaries at download.gnome.org?

2008-12-19 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 07:46 -0800, Sandy Armstrong wrote: Hi, I'm wondering where I should be putting my Tomboy binaries for Windows/Mac. I'd like to have them in the same place where source tarballs are downloaded [1], but I don't know how to do that or even if it is possible. See the

Re: Language code to language name mapping

2008-11-27 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 13:50 +, Richard Hughes wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 09:49 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: Then just use iso-codes. You can either choose to use the XML file, or the 500k /usr/share/iso-codes/iso_639.tab tab-separated file. ## PLEASE NOTE: THIS FILE IS DEPRECATED AND

Re: New module proposal for GNOME 2.26: evolution-mapi

2008-11-20 Thread Murray Cumming
that the old one doesn't do? -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: Add -D*_DISABLE_SINGLE_INCLUDES to GNOME_MAINTAINER_MODE_DEFINES

2008-11-19 Thread Murray Cumming
increase executable sizes with no benefit. I don't really believe it's necessary for C either, but that discussion is over. Unfortunately it means that we must include gtk.h instea of gtksomethingspecific.h in several gtkmm headers, poluting the global namespace. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL

Re: Add -D*_DISABLE_SINGLE_INCLUDES to GNOME_MAINTAINER_MODE_DEFINES

2008-11-19 Thread Murray Cumming
. It's not. C headers are full of macros that respect no namespace. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel

Re: New module proposal for GNOME 2.26: Libgda

2008-11-17 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 12:57 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:56:01AM +0100, Vivien Malerba wrote: I would like to propose Libgda as a new external dependency for GNOME 2.26. Why? Which applications want to use this? Libgda is used by Anjuta's Symbol-db plugin and

Re: gnomeweb-wml projects svn changes

2008-11-13 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 13:10 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 11:49 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: If you have project pages in gnomewb-wml, make sure you do an svn update before making changes. gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/projects/ has moved to gnomeweb-wml/projects.gnome.org

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 23:22 +0100, Philippe Rouquier wrote: [snip] It doesn't do exactly what NCB does. Brasero is a standalone application [snip] We need an actual list of what Brasero does that nautilus-cd-burner does not do. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 15:11 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008 à 18:22 +0200, Murray Cumming a écrit : Yeah, I have the same problem with Glom's dependency on PostgreSQL. Debian/Ubuntu users get an unused PostgreSQL instance even when Glom isn't running, just because

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 18:07 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008 à 17:58 +0200, Murray Cumming a écrit : SQLLite can't do what PostgreSQL can do, which is why PostgresSQL exists. For instance: - Multi-user and the relevant locking. - Access control. - Network

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Murray Cumming
a bad policy. What do distributors think? -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: Debian-specific patches for the GNOME packages

2008-09-11 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 10:54 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Hi guys, it was already requested by a few people in the GNOME community to have a quick access to all patches distros apply. Since we now have a much better interface than the direct access to our svn repository, I think this might

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-30 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 23:49 +1200, John Stowers wrote: So with what sites can I easily sync my data (from what desktop applications)? The following is a partial list of non-pim sync functionality I just tried Conduit (version 0.3.6 in Ubuntu Hardy) and I don't think it's at all easy. I

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-29 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 00:32 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Homepage: http://www.conduit-project.org svn/git/bzr/...: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/conduit/ Proposal on d-d-l: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2008-March/msg00320.html License: ??? (GPLv2 or later?) Short

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-29 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 22:21 +1200, John Stowers wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 11:24 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: How easy is it to do this for any particular specific cases, such as syncing a Palm with a desktop PC (With Evolution, hopefully), or syncing the contacts on my mobile phone

Re: maintainer scripts

2008-07-27 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 22:58 +0200, daniel g. siegel wrote: Maybe we should all be pooling effort. totally! it would be great to have a development kit, which unifies all the effort which is done to create releases of the gnome modules... moap seems like the right place for this.

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-23 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:14 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: [snip] there's a bug open against Iagno in which a non-native English speaker has re-written the entire game from the ground-up adding multi-player; the diff is 4,000 lines. I really like where it's going but unfortunately, as

Re: Proposed external dep: PolicyKit

2008-06-20 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 03:50 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 10:39 +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote: I'm currently trying to prepare 2.23.4 GNOME release and it seems you have enforced usage of policy-gnome in latest gnome-power-manager by default, since --gconf-defaults is

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.24

2008-06-14 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 09:53 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: Le samedi 14 juin 2008 à 09:04 +0200, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit : [snip] A IM program not supporting registration of new IM accounts definitely is not feature complete yet. In my opinion it's not essential: 1) Jabber is the only

Re: New late module proposal for 2.24 (libgda)

2008-06-09 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 13:40 +0200, Vivien Malerba wrote: Hi! Prelimary note: I had originally intended to make a module proposal for Gnome 2.26 and I know that the date for new module proposal is already passed but some people asked me if I could still propose for 2.24 (for Anjuta), and the

Re: Proposed external dep: PolicyKit

2008-05-07 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 11:23 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to propose PolicyKit[1] as an external dep for 2.26 - it's mostly API stable[2], and is now being used as an optional dep in many modules in

Re: New Anjuta dependency: libgda-4.0

2008-04-09 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 12:06 +0200, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi! I know that this plugin is optional, but it's also a plugin that everyone will want to use. But libgda-4.0 is not API/ABI stable and (based on previous libgda history) is not likely to be at any predictable time. So this could

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.24

2008-03-27 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 10:37 +, Martyn Russell wrote: Patryk Zawadzki wrote: So you are basically saying I'm -1 because of relicensing problems that I'm causing myself? Yes, effectively. As for relicensing problems that I'm causing myself, I am FULLY at liberty to do this. It

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.24

2008-03-27 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 15:18 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann wrote: The problem is, that Xavier didn't even ask for re-licensing yet. [snip] I agree that there should have been a formal request by now. But they've said that they have no interest in relicensing. Why would he even ask now? Why can't

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 08:42 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will be ready for GNOME 2.22 without regressions. Why aren't we talking about punting it until GNOME 2.23

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Murray Cumming
Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will be ready for GNOME 2.22 without regressions. Why aren't we talking about punting it until GNOME 2.23/24? We've never allowed this kind of thing before - punting would be entirely normal. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com

Re: GNOME 2.21.90 Development Release

2008-02-01 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:45 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 3:21 PM, Mike Kestner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 21:49 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: = GNOME 2.21.90 Development Release = Hey

Re: Recommended/minimum versions for some fd.o external deps -- updates

2008-01-31 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 19:20 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:51 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: ... also, what about iso-codes? jhbuild seems to be using 0.53, but latest is 1.8. Is there any reason to use such an old version The idea of depending on old versions of

Re: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file

2008-01-18 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 13:17 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: I mean proper RDBMS. Once you get that in place you can generate DOAP/RDF/XML/whatever on the fly with little to no effort. That's a nice idea. But it's easier for our developers to enter information into a file in svn than into a RDBMS.

Re: Proposed module: gimmie applet

2008-01-09 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 04:52 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Homepage: http://www.beatniksoftware.com/gimmie/ svn/git/bzr/...: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gimmie/ Proposal on d-d-l: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2007-September/msg00441.html Short description:

Re: About SSL Trick or Treat Dialogs

2007-12-04 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 12:12 -0500, Adam Schreiber wrote: Unfortunately, one of the main UI elements that indicate a secure connection is the https:// URL in the URL bar. Are you proposing to disguise that as well? Maybe just not shade it yellow. It will still be running over ssl like

Re: Lowering the barrier (was: Re: build systems)

2007-11-10 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 00:43 +0100, Matteo Settenvini wrote: [snip] we need some proper documentation explaining how the GNOME stack is built, jhbuild should take care of building. There is a lot of information about how to use jhbuild, including solving specific problems on specific distros.

Re: End of new modules proposal period for GNOME 2.22

2007-10-29 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 17:45 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi, Here's a quick reminder: if you want to propose a new module for inclusion in GNOME 2.22, the deadline is tonight, Monday 29th October at 23:59 UTC. That's in 7 hours. All the details about proposing new modules for 2.22 are

Re: Proposal: swfdec-gnome

2007-10-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:22 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: I think that using GStreamer for playback would be a must for swfdec to be accepted as a blessed dependency (and thus swfdec-gnome added to the desktop). We've been through not allowing other playback engines in the past, so I don't

Re: a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

2007-10-12 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 14:32 +0400, Nickolay V. Shmyrev wrote: [snip] Be simple, what three tabs are you talking about, it should just work with a single button - Enable mouse tweaks. I shouldn't tune my mouse to be able to click. Let's add usability-list to CC if that's not too much, I hope

Re: a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

2007-10-12 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 18:08 +0200, Jens Granseuer wrote: The accessibility keyboard capplet is going to go away. Discussion isstill ongoing (on gnomecc-list) about where it will go, but it seems likely there will be a unified keyboard or keyboard and mouse thingy that those settings will be

Re: New clock applet for 2.22

2007-10-04 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 19:23 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On 10/3/07, Kjartan Maraas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this should just come from libc. I don't think we should do anything special here at all. I think all the needed data is available in the locale data. That is where

Re: Please include into 2.22: libnotify, notification daemon

2007-09-28 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 02:07 -0700, Christian Hammond wrote: [snip] notification-daemon and libnotify are on every distro shipping GNOME, to my knowledge. Isn't it time to finally mark this as a blessed dependency? More and more apps are using this and it's become a de facto standard not only

Re: GNOME Panel++

2007-09-27 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 20:19 -0500, Benjamin Gramlich wrote: Another thing I'd like to see in the next version of the panel is the ability to lock it down. In other words, there should be a way to keep the panel from moving unless the user makes an explicit action to do so. The best place for

Re: Moving libxml2 and libxslt to external dependencies

2007-09-26 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 19:41 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote: I can't speak for libxml++ maintainer, but given that libxml++ depends on Glib::ustring, it should stay at most in the bindings.\ That's a strange logic. External dependencies should be allowed to use, for instance, glib. If libxml is

Re: Moving libxml2 and libxslt to external dependencies

2007-09-26 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 04:41 -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote: On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:24:57AM +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 19:41 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote: I can't speak for libxml++ maintainer, but given that libxml++ depends on Glib::ustring, it should stay

Re: Module proposal: GtkGLExt for GNOME 2.22

2007-09-24 Thread Murray Cumming
? There are no decisions or specific plans that I know of yet. - Andreas ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Module proposal: Anjuta for GNOME 2.22 (Development tools)

2007-09-20 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 23:47 +0300, Naba Kumar wrote: Hi Vincent, On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 20:48 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Can you complete all the steps outlined at http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleProposing (especially changing the wiki pages) I have done what it requests.

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-17 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 18:44 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: Hi, On 9/15/07, Jaap Haitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking to Daniel Cheese Siegel we asked ourselves: Why do all GNOME projects have a ChangeLog file? Isn't it redundant when you just save a commit message. When I've

Re: [Fwd: How to download the API references pages?]

2007-09-14 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 23:39 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:26:19PM -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: On 9/11/07, Tim Miao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is Tim from Sun desktop team. I'm looking for some GNOME2.20 API references pages/packages/tarballs. Would

Re: [Fwd: How to download the API references pages?]

2007-09-14 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 11:40 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: Murray Cumming wrote: library.gnome.org pages are uploaded from documentation in tarballs, with some minor transformations, I believe. So we should be able to just point people to the tarball (though they will get the source code

Re: MAINTAINERS in svn -- have it or no commit for you

2007-09-11 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 23:41 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 05:09:59PM +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: Yes, gnomemm has no top-level trunk/ directory, and I don't want to add one because that would cause confusion. Ok.. seems you have a very weird SVN repos structure

Re: MAINTAINERS in svn -- have it or no commit for you

2007-09-10 Thread Murray Cumming
Could you please turn this off now? I can't commit to either libsigc++ (I emailed you about that already) or gconfmm. For instance: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/svn/gnome220/gconfmm$ more MAINTAINERS Murray Cumming E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Userid: murrayc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/svn/gnome220/gconfmm$ svn

Re: MAINTAINERS in svn -- have it or no commit for you

2007-09-10 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 12:02 -0300, Johan Dahlin wrote: Murray Cumming wrote: Could you please turn this off now? I can't commit to either libsigc++ (I emailed you about that already) or gconfmm. For instance: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/svn/gnome220/gconfmm$ more MAINTAINERS Murray Cumming

Re: .so versions

2007-07-15 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 01:05 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Le samedi 14 juillet 2007, à 12:01 -0600, Elijah Newren a écrit : On 7/13/07, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've stopped changing the --version-info in gtkmm at all since a couple of years ago to avoid problems, but I'd

Re: .so versions

2007-07-13 Thread Murray Cumming
unstable 2.5.1 tarball version, with API changes. e) releasing an unstable 2.5.2 tarball version, after the previous unstable 2.5.1 tarball version, with both API changes and API additions. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com

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