Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:49 AM, David Wilson wrote: y University's IT department distributes OpenOffce for free, but the Academic departments recommend students use Endnotes for bibliographic management. Minor correction: Endnote, not Endnotes. Until recently OpenOffice could claim to at least

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread matt . price
Quoting Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:49 AM, David Wilson wrote: Given this situation I propose that a fifth dot point be added to this list- [...] In terms of the higher Education market bibliographic support is not 'feature', it is a strategic

[dev-biblio] Re: Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread Matej Cepl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a scholar in the humanities, I have been hoping for years that OOo would introduce some kind of decent bibliographic support. For I'm embarking on a new research project now, and for the first time in 5 years I've kept the windows partition on my new computer; I'm

[dev-biblio] Re: dev Digest 13 Jun 2006 16:19:46 -0000 Issue 323

2006-06-14 Thread Ryan Cragun
I'm not an expert on this or anything, but given my experience with bibliography software, it seems that discoleo is combining two or three elements of the software I have typically used. The first is the reference type. For instance, a reference may be to a journal article, conference

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread Matthew Yates
Wow, this series of e-mails is depressing. I am a professor at the University of Rochester and use Openoffice daily, so along with Matt Price and Bruce D'Arcus, there are at least a few people interested in using Openoffice in academia. I've been following this issue for some time (I'm the one

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread matt . price
Quoting Matthew Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was really hopeful a year or so ago that better bibliographic support would be built in by now. As was I, and I should say that one of the reasons the current situation really bums me out is that there are a number of python-based teaching projects I

[dev-biblio] Re: Re: Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread Matej Cepl
Bruce D'Arcus wrote: My opinion for quite awhile has been that Plan B needs to be exactly what we are doing: starting by implementing the new ODF citation support, hooking up citeproc to it, and exposing an API.* Without that, we will make no progress. Or at least, that's my position; I'd

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Re: Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 14, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: That's nice, except that unless you will be done (who will implement new ODF citation support in OOo?), you will have no useable bibliographic support in OpenOffice.org, no users, and no push on Sun to do something about it. Right;

[dev-biblio] What is the current state of CSL / Citreproc

2006-06-14 Thread pt
Bruce, and others who have been helping, can you give the list an update of where CSL and citeproc are at? I remember seeing some stuff about Python and Ruby code, but didn't have much time to think about it. I am thinking about trying to put together a toolchain using stuff that is available now

Re: [dev-biblio] What is the current state of CSL / Citreproc

2006-06-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:33 PM, pt wrote: Bruce, and others who have been helping, can you give the list an update of where CSL and citeproc are at? I remember seeing some stuff about Python and Ruby code, but didn't have much time to think about it. Hey, David just pinged me about this

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread Matthew Yates
David, I like the pledge idea. Codeweavers set up something similar where users can pledge money for a favorite windows application. The Codeweavers developers can then prioritize development to get new applications functioning based on the pledges for it. When they get it working, they

Re: [dev-biblio] What is the current state of CSL / Citreproc

2006-06-14 Thread pt
Thanks Bruce. Got the download. I really don't want to use XSLT 2 if I can avoid it, just too few options for implementing - I need a solution that I can roll into our ICE project which means using Python, simple stand-alone things that work on Windows, Mac and Linux, and/or stuff that comes with