Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-24 Thread Scott Carr
Jonathon Blake wrote: GRS wrote: you sent them to the wrong place; hence the rejection. If they were sent to the wrong place then that is because the documentation said to submit them to the wrong place. If you have documents and will release them under PDL then make a task issu

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-24 Thread Scott Carr
Jonathon Blake wrote: GRS wrote: made one to documentation except on ooauthors. a)My other contributions have thus far been apparently rejected --- with _no_ explanation as to why. If you sent something to me directly, when was it rejected? I am sorry if I missed it. When was i

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-24 Thread Scott Carr
Jonathon Blake wrote: Charles wrote: documentation project will soon release an HOW TO that will explain everything there is to know about the OOo documentation work. Only about five years to late. :-) Better late than never. xan jonathon -- Scott Carr OpenOffice.org

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-24 Thread Scott Carr
Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: G. Roderick Singleton wrote: As an outside group, OOoAuthors is free to use whatever license it likes. I have no problem with that. Just that items from OOoAuthors must be non-editable to be included on http://documentation.openoffice.org/ This is certainly in keeping w

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-21 Thread suzume
you miss one *important* fact here. And you miss the whole idea which is that there are ways to contribute to projects that may not be compatible and people should just accept that because people have various ways to express their creativity. Life is a forked project as soon as you have chil

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-20 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, That already exists for the application itself: OOo for Mac and NeoOffice (_only_ for Mac) NeoOffice removes all the X11 dependancies and publishes all the modifications under GPL, which means the OOo Mac porting team can't use them. The result is we have a Mac OOo community split betw

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-20 Thread suzume
And furthermore .. I don't think it's a good idea to have two lines of documentation, that could not be mixed because of licensing issues. This *must* lead to discussion that we are not "one" community :-( That already exists for the application itself: OOo for Mac and NeoOffice (_only_ for Mac

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Jean, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: No, I was not saying or suggesting that. I've got a bit lost in this thread... were you or someone asking earlier if the specific situation of the OOoAuthors choice of license had been discussed at CC? It was a mail by Jonathon Blake who said, that Daniel

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 20:14 -0500, Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: > G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 13:14 -0500, Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: > > > >>G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > >>>SO if you want to complain about progress or lack thereof at the doc > >>>project or any of the NL proj

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 20:15 -0500, Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: > G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > > As an outside group, OOoAuthors is free to use whatever license it > > likes. I have no problem with that. Just that items from OOoAuthors must > > be non-editable to be included on http://documentation.op

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: As an outside group, OOoAuthors is free to use whatever license it likes. I have no problem with that. Just that items from OOoAuthors must be non-editable to be included on http://documentation.openoffice.org/ This is certainly in keeping with the links you provided

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 13:14 -0500, Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: G. Roderick Singleton wrote: SO if you want to complain about progress or lack thereof at the doc project or any of the NL projects, get involved with OpenOffice.org and not a third party project that seems

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 09:45 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > > Daniel did find it hard. I do not know or understand why. I do know he > > did not like working within the existing system > > I'd like to comment on my own experience. > > I started at Docs in Decembe

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: Daniel did find it hard. I do not know or understand why. I do know he did not like working within the existing system I'd like to comment on my own experience. I started at Docs in December 2002, about six months before Daniel did. I found working there one of th

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 16:02 +, Jonathon Blake wrote: Charles wrote: documentation project will soon release an HOW TO that will explain everything there is to know about the OOo documentation work. Only about five years to late. xan jonathon Perhaps.

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: I am not stopping you. I would like it though if the OOoAuthors group would stop claiming to be an official OOo projects when in fact it is not. Trying to avoid getting too caught up in this, but OOC, where does OOOAuthors make this claim? -- Peter Kupfer -- U

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Jonathon Blake
GRS wrote: > The other thing about the license is that this change has not been passed > through the CC. Please explain what "this change has not been passed through" means,? Bearing in mind that: i) It was discussed in the Community Council Meetings; ii) It was approved by the Community Counc

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 07:43 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > Andre Schnabel wrote: > > Hi Jean, > > As you may read, the discussion is about CC license for documents with > > fixed content. I hope, you don't want to say, Daniel brought this idea > > to the Community Council (to use document, dev

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: I tried it and the document was promised a proof and review. Nada. I waited considerable time then had it posted directly to documentation. Mind this was back in January but that should not have stopped a review but it did. I came away feeling NIH so ignore and it wil

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 06:15 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > > I tried it and the document was promised a proof and review. Nada. I > > waited considerable time then had it posted directly to documentation. > > Mind this was back in January but that should not have s

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Please explain what "this change has not been passed through" means,? Bearing in mind that: i) It was discussed in the Community Council Meetings; ii) It was approved by the Community Council meetings; iii) Daniel said in a Community Council meeting that OOoAuthors was going to use a dual

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
Andre Schnabel wrote: Hi Jean, As you may read, the discussion is about CC license for documents with fixed content. I hope, you don't want to say, Daniel brought this idea to the Community Council (to use document, developed at OOoAuthors as fixed content within the OOo-project)? No, I was

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
Andre Schnabel wrote: Please explain what "this change has not been passed through" means,? Bearing in mind that: i) It was discussed in the Community Council Meetings; ii) It was approved by the Community Council meetings; iii) Daniel said in a Community Council meeting that OOoAuthors was goin

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Jean, Could we please stay with the facts? .. that means: please point to the archives, where this can be verified, od stop the discussion as it is pointless. Here is a note from Louis, related to the minutes of a CC meeting held 2005-01-20 which included agreement to update the Guidelin

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 13:14 -0500, Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: > G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 16:02 +, Jonathon Blake wrote: > > > >>Charles wrote: > >> > >> > >>>documentation project will soon release an HOW TO that will explain > >>>everything there is to know about t

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Jonathon Blake
GRS wrote: > Really the archives do not support your statement. I've got messages from that list that do support my claims. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 06:25 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > Andre Schnabel wrote: > >> Please explain what "this change has not been passed through" means,? > >> > >> Bearing in mind that: > >> i) It was discussed in the Community Council Meetings; > >> ii) It was approved by the Community Counci

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 06:54 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > > Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > >> > >>When you say "I tried it and the document was promised a proof > >>and review", which document are you referring to and where did > >>you submit it for review? Docs or

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: Jean Hollis Weber wrote: When you say "I tried it and the document was promised a proof and review", which document are you referring to and where did you submit it for review? Docs or OOoAuthors? Way before you got involve. All was done on OOoAuthors though. ..

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
G. Roderick Singleton wrote a very biased "history" which distorts several important facts and makes an offensive accusation about the OOoAuthors project and those of us working there. I am not going to contribute to a flame war by answering his points one by one, but I must say that if this

[documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread Jonathon Blake
GRS wrote: > Oh. I was not aware and was dealing in good faith. I was writing in good faith. > > I plonked him for this reason. Just refer to Three threads of mine where Christian failed to comprehend what I wrote. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? --

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 20:07 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > Hi *, > > On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:32:41PM -0400, G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 17:03 +, Jonathon Blake wrote: > > > GRS wrote: > > > > > > > you sent them to the wrong place; hence the rejection. > > >

[documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:32:41PM -0400, G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 17:03 +, Jonathon Blake wrote: > > GRS wrote: > > > > > you sent them to the wrong place; hence the rejection. > > > > If they were sent to the wrong place then that is because the > > docume

[documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread Jonathon Blake
GRS wrote: > you sent them to the wrong place; hence the rejection. If they were sent to the wrong place then that is because the documentation said to submit them to the wrong place. > If you have documents and will release them under PDL then make a task issue > and assign it directly to grsi

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread Sophie Gautier
Jonathon Blake wrote: JC Hellry wrote: The mail that started it all today was not productive. If that's the real OOo way then no wonder you're getting forked. It is the "real OOo" way. If you're not happy with the way we lead our projects, you can either ask the CC to replace us, or

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread Jonathon Blake
JC Hellry wrote: > The mail that started it all today was not productive. If that's the real OOo > way then no wonder you're getting forked. It is the "real OOo" way. xan jonthon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? ---

[documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread Jonathon Blake
GRS wrote: > made one to documentation except on ooauthors. a)My other contributions have thus far been apparently rejected --- with _no_ explanation as to why. b) I find it far more rewarding to work on documentation for another project. So I spend my time writing documentation for it. >get i

Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread suzume
LetÅ› get a little history. History is written by the winners. What level of objectivity you are considered to have when writting as the co-lead of the documentation ? Besides, who cares about the past when the project welcomes new comers every second from all around the world ? Daniel fou

[documentation-dev] Re: [native-lang] dropdown and HOW TO

2005-07-16 Thread Jonathon Blake
Charles wrote: > documentation project will soon release an HOW TO that will explain > everything there is to know about the OOo documentation work. Only about five years to late. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? ---