When is 0.92 set to be released?
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:
I just branched 0.92 and set up a new build for it up on jenkins [1].
Only bug fixes, doc improvements, and fixes for the still outstanding
blockers and criticals can be committed to the 0.92
[WAS - Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another
BigTable clone, has shown up on Apache Incubator as a proposal]
I'd like to propose branching friday week, the 16th. Hopefully that
will might get folks to focus on these last outstanding issues (of
which there are quite a few).
Thereafter we need
]
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Subject: RE: Branching for 0.92 [WAS - Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another
BigTable clone, has shown up on Apache Incubator as a proposal]
Thanks St.Ack!
Joep
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Subject: Branching for 0.92 [WAS - Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another
BigTable clone, has shown up on Apache Incubator as a proposal]
I'd like to propose branching friday week, the 16th. Hopefully that
will might get folks to focus on these last outstanding issues
, September 19, 2011 8:23 PM
To: dev@hbase.apache.org
Subject: Re: Branching for 0.92 [WAS - Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another
BigTable clone, has shown up on Apache Incubator as a proposal]
That makes sense. Let me make the change.
St.Ack
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Rottinghuis, Joep jrottingh
To: dev@hbase.apache.org
Subject: Re: Branching for 0.92 [WAS - Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another
BigTable clone, has shown up on Apache Incubator as a proposal]
That makes sense. Let me make the change.
St.Ack
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Rottinghuis, Joep jrottingh...@ebay.com
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That makes sense. Let me make the change.
St.Ack
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Rottinghuis, Joep
jrottingh...@ebay.com wrote:
Michael
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Stack
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That makes
, another
BigTable clone, has shown up on Apache Incubator as a proposal]
I'd like to propose branching friday week, the 16th. Hopefully that
will might get folks to focus on these last outstanding issues (of
which there are quite a few).
Thereafter we need to work on stabilization which I'm
: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another BigTable
clone, has shown up on Apache Incubator as a proposal]
I'd like to propose branching friday week, the 16th. Hopefully that
will might get folks to focus on these last outstanding issues (of
which there are quite a few).
Thereafter we need to work
I'm still planning on branching this friday, even if all criticals and
blockers are not yet fixed. Friday for sure will mean feature freeze.
Are there any features other than security that we need to get in
before we branch?
St.Ack
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net
I hope HBASE-4213 can get in before Friday.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:
I'm still planning on branching this friday, even if all criticals and
blockers are not yet fixed. Friday for sure will mean feature freeze.
Are there any features other than security
: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another BigTable clone, has shown up on
Apache Incubator as a proposal
Hello all,
I've been a lurker on the HBase list for a year or so and our company has
also been working with the Accumulo implementation during the same time
frame. I'd like to respond to Stack's
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From: Duane Moore duane.mo...@issinc.com
To: dev@hbase.apache.org dev@hbase.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another BigTable clone, has shown up on
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Hello all,
I've been a lurker on the HBase
. - Piet Hein
(via Tom White)
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From: Duane Moore duane.mo...@issinc.com
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Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:21 AM
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on Apache Incubator
I was going to start a thread on modularizing pre-0.92, but given that's
there's no actual patch ready, only a JIRA (HBASE-4336), that seems
premature. We can race and see how long it takes to put something together,
then call a vote if it's ready before we've branched.
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:
I'd like to propose branching friday week, the 16th. Hopefully that
will might get folks to focus on these last outstanding issues (of
which there are quite a few).
The sooner the better.
Thereafter we need to work on
The secure RPC engine would still have to be split off into a separate tree,
since there are some classes that derive from the SASL support and token
authentication in secure Hadoop. Can't break compilation of the non-secure
profile. If there's a way to add an extra source tree in a profile,
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Gary Helmling ghelml...@gmail.com wrote:
The secure RPC engine would still have to be split off into a separate
tree, since there are some classes that derive from the SASL support and
token authentication in secure Hadoop. Can't break compilation of the
it by 9/16?
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Cryans
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:41 AM
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Subject: Re: Branching for 0.92 [WAS - Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another
BigTable clone, has shown up
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ma, Ming min...@ebay.com wrote:
Great to hear we are finally going to cut 0.92 branch!
Is there a summary list of all issues (if the criteria isn't blocker or
critical according to JIRA) that have to be fixed before branching can
happen, or it is more of a
: Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Branching for 0.92 [WAS - Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another
BigTable clone, has shown up on Apache Incubator as a proposal]
The secure RPC engine would still have to be split off into a separate tree,
since there are some classes that derive from
On 04/09/11 07:43, Mathias Herberts wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 1:39 AM, Bill de hÓrali...@dehora.net wrote:
On 02/09/11 19:06, Stack wrote:
What do folks think?
Not putting the log into hdfs seems like a good idea.
I was somehow thinking the opposite as it makes irrecoverable machine
Hello all,
I've been a lurker on the HBase list for a year or so and our company has
also been working with the Accumulo implementation during the same time
frame. I'd like to respond to Stack's suggestion to focus on the
technical merits of the proposal. Since I have some info on the pre-open
Hbase offers co-processors which should be able to do this.
And median *can* be accumulated in a small amount of memory. It is a little
trickier than mean, but still doable.
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Duane Moore duane.mo...@issinc.com wrote:
- Aggregation
Accumulo offers the ability
Thanks for the below Duane. Helps.
See below.
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Duane Moore duane.mo...@issinc.com wrote:
...
- Column Families
In HBase you must specify all column families up front as part of the
table schema declaration when creating a table.
Accumulo does not have this
Seems like committing it will disrupt the build and src tree layout.
Gary was holding off till we branched but 0.92 branching is taking too
long.
+ Lets branch this friday, or next?
+ And or, run a vote on whether we should commit security now before
we branch or after
This is getting
There was a discussion over the weekend on the incubator dist-list about
Accumulo and describing what was borrowed from Hadoop-core and Hbase.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201109.mbox/%3C8
96611333.83615.1315154356465.javamail.r...@linzimmb04o.imo.intelink.gov%3E
I also agreed at the time to hold off refactoring the build for Maven modules
and supporting RPC engine variants. I would still have the same opinion if not
for recent events.
How much work remains for 0.92? If more than a few week's worth, then a
parallel refactor of the build could happen,
I'd like to propose branching friday week, the 16th. Hopefully that
will might get folks to focus on these last outstanding issues (of
which there are quite a few).
Thereafter we need to work on stabilization which I'm sure will turn
up at least one bug, maybe two (smile). Stabilization will
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:
See here for the incubator proposal:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AccumuloProposal
I'm usually dumbfounded with the amount of secrecy that typically surrounds
these incubator proposals - which is weird as the goal is ultimately
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:30, Steven Noels stev...@outerthought.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:
See here for the incubator proposal:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AccumuloProposal
I'm usually dumbfounded with the amount of secrecy that typically
I think it would be cool if the HBase
community which is responsible for
the creation and maintenance of
software related to a distributed
database (board resolution) shows its
openess and gets involved with the
project as mentors, committers, lurkers.
How does that benefit HBase? I can
Note I am talking about people who feel they have an interest in HBase
development, or have some stake, or are attempting to be a competent PMC, or
similar. When confronted with an incubation of something that seems very
similar (tomcat versus timdog as has been cleverly said), legitimate
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 16:10, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
I think it would be cool if the HBase
community which is responsible for
the creation and maintenance of
software related to a distributed
database (board resolution) shows its
openess and gets involved with the
project
On 04/09/11 07:43, Mathias Herberts wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 1:39 AM, Bill de hÓrali...@dehora.net wrote:
On 02/09/11 19:06, Stack wrote:
What do folks think?
Not putting the log into hdfs seems like a good idea.
I was somehow thinking the opposite as it makes irrecoverable machine
The Accumulo implementation of the WAL is a separate set of daemons.
When you write to the WAL, you send your transactions to three of the
logging servers. When you do a recovery, I believe one of the three
servers that has the WAL for the down server copies it to HDFS and
then a MapReduce job
On Sep 4, 2011 1:39 AM, Bill de hÓra li...@dehora.net wrote:
On 02/09/11 19:06, Stack wrote:
What do folks think?
Not putting the log into hdfs seems like a good idea.
I was somehow thinking the opposite as it makes irrecoverable machine
failures much more problematic. What makes you say
We thought about it earlier, but single machine needing to come back
up to restore didnt seem like a good idea.
-ryan
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Mathias Herberts
mathias.herbe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 1:39 AM, Bill de hÓra li...@dehora.net wrote:
On 02/09/11 19:06, Stack
st...@duboce.net
To: dev@hbase.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another BigTable clone, has shown up on
Apache Incubator as a proposal
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Bernd Fondermann
bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote:
So, would the ASF
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
The implementation is implemented as a coprocessor, but requires the
coprocessor framework and pluggable RPC (and the secure RPC engine) to be
included into core. So far we have successfully upstreamed the coprocessor
On Friday, September 2, 2011, Doug Meil doug.m...@explorysmedical.com
wrote:
Just for conversation, if somebody approached ASF incubator with an idea
for a framework called ExtendedSleep that claimed to be a Java
relational-object mapping framework (instead of the crusty
object-relational
On Saturday, September 3, 2011, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
I'm simply pointing out a lack of community involvement to date.
I would only add to this that the incubation proposal makes a
controversial statement regarding existing involvement with the HBase
community. It may be
My understanding is that the ASF is about community, not code. So what
is the goal for Accumulo? Build a community. How much would it
intersect with the HBase community? Sounds like a lot. Does it still
make sense to incubate it then?
To the point earlier that ASF has hosted multiple
That's a good point. But the fact that Apache HTTPD is implemented in C,
and Tomcat is in Java I think is material. While they compete for web
server users, they have very different implementations.
If ASF had two active Java webserver communities and codebases (e.g.,
Tomcat and Timdog) I
On 02/09/11 13:01, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
The only thing you can really do is write code that rocks, build an open
community and put out great releases.
+1
However, I will add: 'competition is good, dispersion is no good'
It's true that similar projects already exist within Apache.
An
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Bernd Fondermann
bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote:
So, would the ASF allow incubation of a web server product, for
example nginx (which is a direct httpd competitor)?
Yes, why not?
You are assuming:
- competition is bad
- community is impartibel
Can
On 02/09/11 19:06, Stack wrote:
What do folks think?
Not putting the log into hdfs seems like a good idea.
Bill
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Bill de hÓra li...@dehora.net wrote:
On 02/09/11 19:06, Stack wrote:
What do folks think?
Not putting the log into hdfs seems like a good idea.
Why you think that Bill?
Yours,
St.Ack
See here for the incubator proposal:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AccumuloProposal
Reactions probably better belong over on the incubator mailing list
but I thought a discussion here first might be useful developing a
stance.
Initial reaction, not having seen the code, is that it seems to be
They apparently have a very strong relationship with HBase...;-)
Apache Brand
Our interest in releasing this code as an Apache incubator project is due
to its
strong relationship with other Apache projects, i.e. Hadoop, Zookeeper,
and HBase.
It's disappointing that these guys watched
Some comments on the proposal and differentiation vs HBase:
Access Labels:
The proposal claims that this is unlikely to be adopted [in HBase]. This
is completely untrue. This has been discussed many times in the past in
relation to our security implementation. It's just been deferred at the
To add to what Todd said, I actually worked with those guys for the
last 3 years and have used Accumulo in production. It's true that it
would have been better if they had been able to contribute to HBase
rather than go on their own, but it's not easy to contribute to open
source, either
It's not really easier, they've been working on getting this released
for 2.5 years or more. What I think will make it easier is having more
of a precedence. In the government, it's always easier to say no than
yes. Showing that it can be done and done successfully will push them
to develop a
I've been in touch with this team for the last 18 months or so.
They're good people, smart, and have a healthy respect for HBase and
our team. Though they haven't contributed code or participated on the
lists, I can vouch that they do follow our development and generally
do understand HBase
On Friday, September 2, 2011, Gary Helmling ghelml...@gmail.com wrote:
Claims a relationship with HBase. Is there overlapping code or is this
just
the duplication of functionality? There's no community relationship that
I'm aware of. I haven't seen any of the proposed committers on the
Maybe a BOF at Hadoop World could clarify some things, provided some
of those folks attend the conference.
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:01, Bernd Fondermann
bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2011, Gary Helmling ghelml...@gmail.com wrote:
Claims a relationship with
Just for conversation, if somebody approached ASF incubator with an idea
for a framework called ExtendedSleep that claimed to be a Java
relational-object mapping framework (instead of the crusty
object-relational approach that the Hibernate mapping framework provides),
would anybody take it
)
From: Joey Echeverria j...@cloudera.com
To: dev@hbase.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another BigTable clone, has shown up on
Apache Incubator as a proposal
To add to what Todd said, I actually worked
@hbase.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 3:55 AM
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Apache Incubator as a proposal
I've been in touch with this team for the last 18 months or so.
They're good people, smart, and have a healthy respect for HBase and
our team
back. - Piet Hein (via
Tom White)
From: Gary Helmling ghelml...@gmail.com
To: dev@hbase.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another BigTable clone, has shown up on
Apache Incubator as a proposal
I've been
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