Re: Multi-project releases

2013-03-24 Thread Fred Cooke
I'm late to the party here, tonight, but can we clarify what a multi project release is? is it a multi module release? or something more like continuous release? As for needs release how can this be automatically determined? This seems fundamentally human to me? Or do you simply mean dependency

Re: Multi-project releases

2013-03-24 Thread Fred Cooke
* can your envisioned plugin automatically recursively release all other dependencies moving upward in the reactor dependency tree? Generalising this out a bit, if it's not a multi-module build we're talking about, and it's not in SVN (repo per project/module in Git for example), how will the

Re: Multi-project releases

2013-03-24 Thread Fred Cooke
live? by looking into scm tag, and using still one more convention (to be decided) where to look locally before attempting independent remote clone. Original Message Subject: Re: Multi-project releases From: Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com fred.co...@gmail.com To: Maven

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-04-04 Thread Fred Cooke
] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1 From: Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com fred.co...@gmail.com To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org dev@maven.apache.org Date: Thu 04 Apr 2013 10:31:57 AM CDT Can you not programatically access the dependencies by index? Sure it would be fragile to dep order changes

Re: Project.version too contextual

2013-05-24 Thread Fred Cooke
AFAIK, there is no feature to evaluate before inheritance: this would require a new notation than ${xxx}, which could be interpreted before inheritance If I recall correctly, and I still need to apologise to you for my last mistake, there is something like @{} in use in one of the (core?)

Re: Project.version too contextual

2013-05-24 Thread Fred Cooke
/plugins/maven-invoker-plugin/examples/filtering.html Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 13:01:08 Fred Cooke a écrit : AFAIK, there is no feature to evaluate before inheritance: this would require a new notation than ${xxx}, which could be interpreted before inheritance If I recall correctly

Re: Project.version too contextual

2013-05-24 Thread Fred Cooke
@value@ when cloning projects to the target, so the ${value} are only resolved during execution. Robert Op Fri, 24 May 2013 18:59:20 +0200 schreef Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com: Definitely not that, I've not used it, however something else does have a @{} syntax, something common. I'm

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
+1(million) non-binding, but if you want, I'll have your children if you make this extremely positive change 3 On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@scalaris.com wrote: -1 (nb) Stephen Connolly wrote: We have been using a policy of only making releases without

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
I'm totally fine with the 1.0-RC0 1.0-RC1 1.0-RC2 == 1.0 thing, in Git you don't even have to copy anything ;-) If you're going to do trial releases, then RCX is one good way to do it. I've got to point out, though, that skipped numbers means exactly NOTHING :-) You *always* skip numbers, by

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
You're voting on a set of sources, and the state of them, more than the specific binary built on a specific platform. You're not really voting on the arbitrary binary that manifests itself as a result of those sources and build. Although it's possible to build from the same sources and get a

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
are cheap Was it what you intended to vote on, and was it how Stephen was thinking to orient the sentence and the +1/-1 meaning? 2013/5/29 Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com +1(million) non-binding, but if you want, I'll have your children if you make this extremely positive change 3

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
-1 for actual releases: it would create more mess imo for end users if there's many bizarre jumps in numbering The thing with this argument is that it's very, very weak. If a missed version confuses a user, they're basically brain-dead. Assuming your users are brain dead is _always_

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-30 Thread Fred Cooke
not?) After step 3, we currently delete the tag, go back to step 1. And release again reusing the same version number from the first time. -Chris On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-30 Thread Fred Cooke
, if the vote passed, then it's 'valid' release. That fact that we have more than one release of anything means that we sometimes get it wrong. -Chris On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that tags for 2.1 and 2.2.0 of Maven itself should

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-30 Thread Fred Cooke
suggesting to retroactively go back and remove tags that are not the latest release. Which I believe is against the apache rules. -Chris Sent from my iPhone On 30/05/2013, at 10:06 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Point missed. You said: It's a huge change; as if you do

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-31 Thread Fred Cooke
As pointed out by Benson, the whole skipping thing *should* be a non-issue anyway. If doing a release you should already know that it's good enough. You should already have tested it thoroughly on your own OSes. You should have already requested other devs to build from a hash/buildnumber and

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-31 Thread Fred Cooke
Nice solution, +1. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:41 AM, James Nord (jnord) jn...@cisco.comwrote: -Original Message- From: Stephen Connolly [mailto:stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 May 2013 10:29 To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
from my experience, even if this question is not absolutely scm-specific, git brings us a new problem we didn't have with svn: once a tag is set on the canonical repo and replicated on developers' repos, it is not automatically updated if updated in the canonical Git brings you no such

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
Benson, read the rules: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/voting.html *-1 *No, I *veto* this action. +1 + -1 != 0 On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: from my experience, even

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Baptiste MATHUS bmat...@batmat.net wrote: That link is for HTTPd. For Apache general guidelines, read http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html -1 are only vetos for code modification, not procedural issues . Cheers 2013/6/2 Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
handlers provide, of which git is but one. -Chris On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: from my experience, even if this question is not absolutely scm-specific, git brings us a new problem we didn't have with svn: once a tag is set

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
are still talking about the abstraction api that the maven-scm handlers provide, of which git is but one. -Chris On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: from my experience, even if this question is not absolutely scm-specific, git

Re: [VOTE] Apache Maven Javadoc Plugin 2.9.1 (take 2)

2013-06-25 Thread Fred Cooke
Absolutely, sebb! This is what I've been saying all along. If I had more time I'd vote -1 to every attempted release that used or intended to use respun tags/artifacts without revisions and checksums. So here's one for this one until rectified properly -1! On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:28 PM, sebb

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-25 Thread Fred Cooke
Not really, no. The developer may have re-spun it again and be about to email again. You have no idea what you're looking at unless you know the revision. SVN will die off within a decade and this discussion will become critical. Better to figure out how to support proper techniques now, rather

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-25 Thread Fred Cooke
I very much prefer your method, Uwe! There are lots of ways to do this right. I hope one of those is chosen. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Uwe Schindler u...@thetaphi.de wrote: Hi, I agree with sebb. I am not a Maven committer, but the release revision is very important in the Lucene

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-25 Thread Fred Cooke
Especially in other environments where it's used properly, by its own principals! :-p On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.frwrote: Le mardi 25 juin 2013 21:15:11 Uwe Schindler a écrit : This is a slightly different workflow, but is proven to work since years

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-28 Thread Fred Cooke
-released tags. Once he sends the email though the tag will be valid. Sure having the revision number helps but unless the RM completely screws up the tag should be sufficient. Ralph On Jun 25, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Fred Cooke wrote: Not really, no. The developer may have

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-28 Thread Fred Cooke
:42 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.comwrote: On Jun 28, 2013, at 7:05, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: For git the unique hash is sufficient, you don't really need the tag at all, they simply point to the unique hash (or another tag, in a chain). If Git was the SCM of choice, I'd use

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-28 Thread Fred Cooke
SNAPSHOT builds are for... Fred. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 28 June 2013, Fred Cooke wrote: For git the unique hash is sufficient, you don't really need the tag at all, they simply point to the unique hash (or another

Re: Release process updates (try 2)

2013-06-30 Thread Fred Cooke
For Git the only thing that is needed is the unique 40 character hash such as this: FreeAir:youtube-dl fred$ git rev-parse HEAD 48bfb5f2387ab47e1973d9db0782a9af66ffc4e6 It's just sloppy not to do this; if a quality release process is required, so is the SVN rev number. If good enough is OK, then

Re: Release process updates (try 2)

2013-06-30 Thread Fred Cooke
OK, so what is the Git command to download a copy of the sources that are part of the hash? git checkout hash Then observe the tree. You can also export an archive, though I don't recall the exact command off the top of my hand. Don't I need to know something about the Git repo it comes

Re: Release process updates (try 2)

2013-07-01 Thread Fred Cooke
Deleting and recreating a Git tag once published is an *extremely* stupid thing to do, at least an order of magnitude more so than the same action in SVN. I sincerely hope that developers in this community would not engage in such activities. Nevertheless, this thread isn't about that, it's

Re: Spurious file in Apache Maven War plugin 2.4 reelease candidate - broken release process?

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Cooke
Re second checkouts, you're already hurting some (admittedly minority of) users (not me) with LARGE source trees by doing this at all. Keep this in mind and at least make any checking out optional... Perhaps if the SCM plugins were ignore aware they could read this info and compare it with some

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Enforcer version 1.3.1

2013-07-13 Thread Fred Cooke
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Robert Scholte rfscho...@apache.orgwrote: Op Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:31:47 +0200 schreef Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.com: What are the SCM coordinates? Where is the KEYS file? sebb is a bot in fact ;-P :) so I don't need to repeat myself explaining

Re: tags maven-3.1 vs maven-3.1.0

2013-07-15 Thread Fred Cooke
10/10 to Jason for not reusing the existing tag name! 3 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Jason, It seems we have 2 tags in Git for maven 3.1 : maven-3.1 and maven-3.1.0 I think that the the right one to keep is the second one (893ca28 - 28th

Re: tags maven-3.1 vs maven-3.1.0

2013-07-15 Thread Fred Cooke
Agreed, but as discussed the nicer appaoach would be to use tags in the form 3.1.0-0...N and then point the final tag at the hash pointed to by the successful spin's tag, if you insist on this whole respinning thing. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: Sure,

Re: tags maven-3.1 vs maven-3.1.0

2013-07-15 Thread Fred Cooke
What was the hash for future reference? This is why sebb is sooo right. If you have a unique coordinate, you're good for life, no matter what gets done to the SCM. (more or less) On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.comwrote: done On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM,

Re: Java version usage survey

2013-07-16 Thread Fred Cooke
My 2c: - J7 on Mac is unstable (trust me...) and non-performant, and thus I require my users to use Apple's J6 on the Mac. - On Linux there are lots of Swing bugs in all versions, but a lot less in J7 than J6, so I recommend J7 for Linux guys. - I don't use J5 for anything at all

Re: tags maven-3.1 vs maven-3.1.0

2013-07-16 Thread Fred Cooke
BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr wrote: uh, another bot? Le lundi 15 juillet 2013 22:28:26 Fred Cooke a écrit : What was the hash for future reference? This is why sebb is sooo right. If you have a unique coordinate, you're good for life, no matter what gets done to the SCM

Re: Java version usage survey

2013-07-16 Thread Fred Cooke
-developer-toolsto see if we can get something that is a bit more focus on facts. e.g. we are all OSS developers: thus premium/extended/sustaining support contracts are outside our budget. If we cannot test it for free, we cannot support it. On 16 July 2013 09:01, Fred Cooke fred.co

Re: Plugin testing

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Cooke
1) No opinion. 2) No opinion. 3) HUGE +1 Thanks for your efforts! :-) On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: Hi, I updated the plugin-testing tools to work with Maven 3.1.0 to help Manfred get the Android Maven Plugin's test harness working with 3.1.0. A couple

Re: [VOTE] All new (non-patch) releases of Maven Core after 30th Sep 2013 to require Java 6+

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Cooke
+1, unsure if you could have muddied the essentially simple question much more, but OK. :-p On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) On 23 July 2013 14:59, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.comwrote: This vote is to

Re: [DISCUSS] All new (non-patch) releases of Maven Core after 30th Sep 2013 to require Java 6+

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Cooke
BIG +1 for 6, and small -1 for 7 for my own selfish reasons. The old versions will always be available, and are forkable for anyone that needs a fix, hence small -1 and not crying and moaning. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 July

Re: Passing information between goals

2013-07-24 Thread Fred Cooke
Just remove the and from the end of it... On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Martin Gainty mgai...@hotmail.com wrote: can anyone reach the URL? Baptiste is it possible to repost comments for build-helper to pastebin? http://pastebin.com/ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:20:33 +0200 Subject:

Re: [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave (was Re: svn commit: r1506778 - /maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md)

2013-07-25 Thread Fred Cooke
I really appreciate your regularly inserted pieces of Irish humour and often chuckle at them! Keep that up! :-) What matters most to me is not the Apache legal stuff, nor good behaviour/political correctness, rather it's technical excellence and honesty in achieving it, even if at the expense of

Re: [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave (was Re: svn commit: r1506778 - /maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md)

2013-07-25 Thread Fred Cooke
So much in-crowd politics and unspoken but apparently well-known material. Who is the person, who if they were to come across this, would obviously know they were being talked about anyway? Where is the, almost certainly short lived, fork of Maven located? A quick search failed to reveal this.

Re: [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave (was Re: svn commit: r1506778 - /maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md)

2013-07-25 Thread Fred Cooke
: On 25 July 2013 23:15, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: So much in-crowd politics and unspoken but apparently well-known material. Who is the person, who if they were to come across this, would obviously know they were being talked about anyway? I would rather we not focus

Re: [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave (was Re: svn commit: r1506778 - /maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md)

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
:05:44 Fred Cooke a écrit : About the fork, though, I'm interested. I'm interested in why it's maintained and how it differs. I'm interested because I intend to fork it myself to fix things which would break others which I know won't change upstream (site and release stuff). Perhaps someone

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
Of course, if anyone is working down stream of this, they will hate you, and it should be left as is. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, easily, if it's the HEAD just do a --amend on it and update it yourself, Jason's name will be retained. If it's

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
. hint: See the 'Note about fast-forwards' in 'git push --help' for details. Did I do something wrong? Or git repo at ASF is configured to avoid such things? Regards, Hervé Le samedi 27 juillet 2013 13:37:12 Fred Cooke a écrit : Of course, if anyone is working down stream

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
again. hint: See the 'Note about fast-forwards' in 'git push --help' for details. Did I do something wrong? Or git repo at ASF is configured to avoid such things? Regards, Hervé Le samedi 27 juillet 2013 13:37:12 Fred Cooke a écrit : Of course, if anyone is working down

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
My most humble apologies to Herve for leading you astray! I was unaware of the policy on this. I hope that I didn't inadvertently cause any harm. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.comwrote

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
the current comment is incomplete. Anyhow, now I know about this. Robert Op Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:40:05 +0200 schreef Jeff Jensen jeffjensen@** upstairstechnology.com jeffjen...@upstairstechnology.com: On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 27, 2013

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
Yes it is, I've done it very often: http://subversion.apache.org/**faq.html#change-log-msghttp://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#change-log-msg (although I use the GUI for it) Robert Op Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:07:09 +0200 schreef Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com: Good practice is to work

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
: so, this time: svn +1 git -1 :) more seriously: if we cannot fix comments later, we'll need to be more careful when committing Regards, Hervé Le samedi 27 juillet 2013 16:27:50 Fred Cooke a écrit : How did I know you'd say that? You think I didn't know you could do that? LOL :-p

Re: Git resources was Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
This ought to keep you out of trouble if you're a downstream user: NEVER git pull NEVER git merge ALWAYS git fetch remote ALWAYS git merge --ff-only remote/branch ALWAYS git rebase remote/branch [image: http://stuff.fredcooke.com/IDontAlwaysMergeButWhenIDoI.jpg] rebase -i is your friend if used

Re: Git resources was Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
Yes, I've been guilty of it from time to time, as most have been, especially years ago ;-) Did you find any of the above useful? I hope so :-) Coincidental-Fred. On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Barrie Treloar baerr...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 July 2013 07:45, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-28 Thread Fred Cooke
+1 on pushing out regression-free fixes and moving forward. +1 on frequent and small releases and moving forward. On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: On Jul 28, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr wrote: I'd like to work on cd tonight

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-29 Thread Fred Cooke
Tag deleted? :-/ On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: Tag deleted, repository dropped, and now re-released and restaged. https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-034/ On Jul 29, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote:

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-29 Thread Fred Cooke
Nope, I sent it directly to you to avoid noise on the list, but if you insist on being a and spamming everyone, so be it. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Baptiste MATHUS m...@batmat.net wrote: 2013/7/29 Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Baptiste MATHUS m

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-29 Thread Fred Cooke
Jason, there seems to be no trace of either the new or old tag for 3.1.1 on either ASF server or github. Did you push it? Did you not push it on purpose? What are your plans for tags until the release plugin is updated to allow creation of suffixed tags during the release to be supplemented by a

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-29 Thread Fred Cooke
not attempted to release 3.1.1 and I have not sent out any release vote. I do intend to add what Sebb suggested by adding the revision. On Jul 29, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, there seems to be no trace of either the new or old tag for 3.1.1 on either

Re: [DISCUSS] On the Maven PMC roles... (was [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave...)

2013-08-02 Thread Fred Cooke
Are definitions of cat A and B and others listed anywhere? I searched but failed. I assume Cat A = permissive and Cat B = copyleft? or? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Correct. And it would be subject to the same CTR and potential veto

Re: [DISCUSS] On the Maven PMC roles... (was [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave...)

2013-08-02 Thread Fred Cooke
, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Google: Apache third party licenses Should work on lucky... Or look at the head revision where I added the link. There is a 3rd category: Category X... Eg GPL, which we are not allowed to use On Friday, 2 August 2013, Fred Cooke wrote

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-10 Thread Fred Cooke
Please keep such information leakage optional. The editing of, and indeed adding of, the tag element by the release plugin should already be optional IMO. Especially if it breaks formatting of the POM, which it does in some cases, at least. And yeah, I know why, and I know it's not a trivial fix.

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-10 Thread Fred Cooke
...@apache.org wrote: On 10 August 2013 23:06, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Please keep such information leakage optional. The editing of, and indeed adding of, the tag element by the release plugin should already be optional IMO. Why? With such information I know which tag has been used

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-10 Thread Fred Cooke
Which renders most of the tag stuff useless in GIT. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2013, 15:19 Subject: Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-13 Thread Fred Cooke
Where, and also when; don't forget that. This is old news, but a pat on sebb's back for beating the stick regardless of how much it seems to irritate everyone to hear that noise. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:30 AM, sebb

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Surefire Plugin version 2.16

2013-08-14 Thread Fred Cooke
Just saw your tag, BIG +1 for me, on no basis other than you seem to care about the quality of your work. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Andreas Gudian andreas.gud...@gmail.comwrote: Anyone? If I can't collect the results today, I won't be able to do it for another week or so. Am

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-14 Thread Fred Cooke
It's NOT trolling... If you feel trolled, grow some skin. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote: On 15 August 2013 08:53, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 August 2013 21:21, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:47 AM, sebb

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
Dennis, effectively what is required is a statement like this: I believe that I've released XYZ binaries from ABC sources (tarball + N patches, SCM, whatever) with enough info to exactly identify what XYZ and ABC are (checksums, URLs, revisions, etc) without guessing and duplicated

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
Right so far? No, you're not. Step three, in SVN, requires reviewing history to confirm no changes were made to that URL *ever*. In Git, step 3 involves knowing the hash, as spurious tags have already been known to circulate. Even if all of the details were in the POM, the question still

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.orgwrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Right so far? No, you're not. Step three, in SVN, requires reviewing history to confirm no changes were made to that URL *ever*. In Git

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
it takes to do that. No, wait. Sebb and Jason already have that nailed the down. Good men, those two. Fred. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.orgwrote: Hi Fred, On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I missed

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
It's funny that you cite no time and use the equivalent of 299.5 6 digit revision numbers to send us an email on your lack of time. You could have done 299 releases to Sebb's quite reasonable standards with that much keyboard activity. Point made? :-p On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Olivier Lamy

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
16, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Barrie Treloar baerr...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 August 2013 08:54, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny that you cite no time and use the equivalent of 299.5 6 digit revision numbers to send us an email on your lack of time. You could have done 299

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-16 Thread Fred Cooke
Dennis, I've been using (and mostly loving) the release plugin/process for the better part of a decade and certainly claim to understand it well. I don't see how my knowledge of that (or Sebb's perceived lack of knowledge of that) is in any way relevant. The release plugin means it's harder to do

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-16 Thread Fred Cooke
Dennis, of course source bundles will contain URLs and hashes and revisions and so forth, and the chance of those being mismatched is approximately zero. That's not the point. The point (for me, at least) is what did you INTEND to release, and does THAT match what is actually found in the bundle

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-16 Thread Fred Cooke
. On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds like you are looking for the SHA1 sum of the source bundle to be included in the vote email. Which would seem perfectly reasonable to me. On 16 August 2013 12:31, Fred Cooke fred.co

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-24 Thread Fred Cooke
I understood that the purpose of the SCM *URL* was to be able to *use* it with a tool (where browser != tool), as such, there is only one correct URL, the rest are paths for browsing on a file system or web-front end. I did this knowing it would fail to illustrate the point:

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-24 Thread Fred Cooke
24, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Baptiste Mathus m...@batmat.net wrote: See http://maven.apache.org/pom.html#SCM Hervé is talking about xpath:/SCM/url which is indeed a scm web ui and said (developer)Connection would be discussed in another thread. Cheers Le 24 août 2013 16:57, Fred Cooke fred.co

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
You're in Git now. You don't *have* to push your tag and release commits up to the public world until AFTER you've checked they're OK. Or by failed release do you mean voted down? They could live on branches until set in stone, then merge --ff-only into master at that point, if so. On Sat, Sep

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
sept. 2013 à 19:30, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com a écrit : You're in Git now. You don't *have* to push your tag and release commits up to the public world until AFTER you've checked they're OK. Or by failed release do you mean voted down? They could live on branches until set

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
hardware without forcing people to use another repo hosting. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2013, 20:48 Subject: Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
on dedicated branches. - Arnaud Le 14 sept. 2013 à 19:30, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com a écrit : You're in Git now. You don't *have* to push your tag and release commits up to the public world until AFTER you've checked they're OK. Or by failed release do you mean

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
maintained manually. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2013, 21:51 Subject: Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT I agree on skipping

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
. Otherwise the release notes would be broken - or would need to get maintained manually. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2013, 21:51

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
of the project unless there is a compelling reason to do otherwise. On Sep 14, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, PLEASE understand that you do NOT have a single user. Not even one. Nada. Zilch. You have developers. Developers, by definition, are not *completely

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-15 Thread Fred Cooke
releases. For now, I'd prefer reusing versions and no gaps. I don't mind deleting tags, otherwise I'd prefer the usage of RCx during votes. Robert Op Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:05:55 +0200 schreef Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com: Last time someone asked this I went straight to central and found

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-15 Thread Fred Cooke
Sep 2013 02:05:55 +0200 schreef Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com: Last time someone asked this I went straight to central and found two examples. There are plenty out there. I'm not doing it again, you're more than capable. Also note, it's not much different to go from 3.1.2 to 3.1.4

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-15 Thread Fred Cooke
Sent from my iPhone On 15 Sep 2013, at 12:30, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly! :-) On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: But you asked the wrong jump then. It would be 3.0.5 to 4.0.4... There's no way

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-16 Thread Fred Cooke
Version ranges are extremely useful for this case: lib 0.2.4 0.3.0 non inclusive where lib has a guaranteed stable API with only non-breaking bug fixes and additions. There are other uses, too. I sincerely hope it's never dropped or broken. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Stephen Connolly

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-16 Thread Fred Cooke
Fair call. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2013 12:26, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Version ranges are extremely useful for this case: lib 0.2.4 0.3.0 non inclusive where lib has a guaranteed stable API

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-10-03 Thread Fred Cooke
+1 even if I'm late to the epic party. Love the sebbaliser, great work, and sense of humour, Jason! Dislike his lack of enthusiasm for the name. I'd have bragged about it for years if you'd called it the fredaliser :-) Unfortunately I am too busy to continue nagging. Good on sebb for picking up

Re: [ANN] Maven 3.1.1 Release

2013-10-04 Thread Fred Cooke
Congratulations, Jason! :-) On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: Hi! The Apache Maven Team is pleased to announce the release of 3.1.1 The release notes can be found here: http://maven.apache.org/docs/3.1.1/release-notes.html The release can be downloaded

Re: Maven Core moving to 1.6

2013-10-07 Thread Fred Cooke
+1 too, 1.5 is dead for me. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg dennisl.apa...@gmail.comwrote: +1 to 1.6 for 3.2 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: Given the vote we had about releases after September does anyone mind if I update the

Re: [VOTE] Apache Maven SCM 1.9

2013-10-24 Thread Fred Cooke
+1 list looks good. Beware of jgit and symlinks, though, you can end up with a lot of disk and cpu churn because of it if not careful. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote: Hi, We fixed 9 issues. The new feature is the jgit provider (based on jgit). Details:

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-12 Thread Fred Cooke
I like you more and more! :-) On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: Can we start the process of converting everything to Git. I don't really see any benefit in using Subversion any longer. If so then we should just get together for a day and convert them and

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-12 Thread Fred Cooke
The SVN repo should probably be retained anyway, just in RO format, and with a new URL that indicates it shouldn't be used. You can try to retain all history, but it's never quite in the same form, really. Perhaps no one cares, though? +1 for decompose into individual repos. Fred. PS, perhaps

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-13 Thread Fred Cooke
Great posts, Jason! There are so many reasons to dump SVN, but controlled branch sharing and personal work flow are big ones for me, too. I have a dozen or more local branches of my project, too, and like you, I rebase against what I publish until they're ready, then publish them, and rebase the

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