Re: [VOTE] PMC chair for Apache NetBeans

+1 On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Mr_Krava wrote: > +1 > > On Saturday, 2 March 2019, 1:29:07 am AEDT, Glenn Holmer > wrote: > > This voting thread is to confirm Geertjan Wielenga as the first PMC > chair of NetBeans as we leave incubation and begin our journey as a > top-level Apache

Re: What NetBeans is on front page

Christian: Nice concept. What about if the editor view was broken into 6 or 8 pieces and all converged to make the final image (your initial image smacks at the idea of fitting pieces together along with the verbiage)? Browsers are good at that kind of thing. I generally don't like things

Re: Apache NetBeans 11 or 11.0 ?

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 10:28 AM Christian Lenz wrote: > > TLDR; > Please everyone, go away from Connection JDK/Java with NetBeans. NetBeans is > for years an IDE for a lot more languages. Java should not anymore the main > Language that is full featured supported in NetBeans than others that

Re: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans Version Number: 2019.03

Since the number is no longer associated with the level of Java it supports the number is meaningless. At least this scheme indicates when it was released. +1 On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 7:51 PM Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > > Dear all, > > Well, it is time to finalize out version scheme for a while.

Re: OSGi support for maven-based plugins

Wildfly is also running on OSGi as I recall. On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 12:18 PM Matthias Bläsing wrote: > Hi, > > Am Samstag, den 15.12.2018, 22:04 +0200 schrieb Emilian Bold: > > I have not heard of any open-source projects with OSGi modules... > > JDeveloper uses this but I believe it's

Re: How important is OSGi support?

My understanding is that OSGi was developed as a client side technology for small form factor devices. It's easy to think of it as a server technology since all the current app servers are based on OSGi. Since NB is only for Swing I have started looking at the possibility of creating a JFX

Re: JDK requirements for building NB

With enough work NB could be written in assembly and produce anything but the burden to do it would not be worth the cost probably. There is such a huge architectural difference between JDK8 and JDK11 that to expect developers to accommodate both is unrealistic -- at least is seems many

Re: JDK requirements for building NB

Quite right and eloquently put, Scott. If people don't want the feature-set of JDK9 continue using NB8.2. For those of us who want the feature-set (in particular HTTPClient) of JDK11 we need NB11 sooner rather than later. We need it to work with the OpenJFX11 modules in Maven central (which NB9

Re: JDK requirements for building NB

And this brings us back the the whole question of how to number NB releases. In my opinion the NB version should reflect the JDK it supports. NB is a Java application that just happens to provide facilities for people to write plug-ins who want to do non-Java stuff like c/c++, Python, PHP,

Re: Apache NetBeans Release Cycle

Just saying that with early releases of JDK12 now shipping I don't see the point of a NB10. The versions of NB9 I'm using already have JDK11 features being included. Further, NB is Java. While it may provide functions to other languages, so far it IS Java. So Java implementation level still

Re: Apache NetBeans Release Cycle

To me it makes sense to have NB reflect the level of Java implemented. For example, features of JDK 11 can be added incrementally to NB 9.1, 9.2, etc. (schedule is irrelevant to me -- every 3 months is fine) but when the full function of JDK 11 is included then NB 11 should be released. I

Re: Nightly builds

That link takes me to build 334. The current build is 496. There is a 497 but it has some kind of problem. The link I use: https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux/ On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:10 AM, ehsavoie wrote: > https://builds.apache.org/view/Incubator%20Projects/job/ >

Re: Microsoft buys GitHub

Do we need to be reminded that IBM had a 32 bit desktop OS a year and a half before MS could muster one up? They finally (20 years late) gave Windows 10 users two huge benefits millions of us have been enjoying for more that 20 years: virtual desktops (a VERY clumsy implementation to be sure)

Re: How to participate in Apache NetBeans without a GitHub account?

+1 On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 6:30 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 06/06/2018 08:13 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > > GitHub should just be one venue where we engage with the community > > and contributors but we should have other workflows in place, > > preferably that depend on Apache infrastructure only.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA vs Netbeans

Intellij integration with Maven is quite poor and indexing, in my experience, takes much longer than NB. Strangely enough, since [NETBEANS-655] is a show-stopper for me I decided to try Intellij yesterday. It's quite weak. While it does create the Maven project it does not produce a *.jar file

Re: The Red Sea

Edit rights to this: https://netbeans.apache.org/participate/submit-pr.html So I followed the link and this time I saw the link at the bottom of the page that says "See this page in Github". Now I see why you mention PRs to change the website. Thanks. On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Geertjan

Re: The Red Sea

If somebody with edit rights to the site wants to converse with me off-list I'll be happy to document my experience with some verbiage they can include. On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Monday, April 2, 2018, Chuck Dav

Re: The Red Sea

To say nothing of all the gigs Ant downloads in the process I'm still getting "resolve" problems with Jetty and uh, uh, can't remember at the moment. But I assume when the JEE stuff gets added those issues will resolve themselves. There is also one issue that will resolve itself when I

Re: The Red Sea

Thanks Metthias. I'm now down to 10 marked projects after building externally with Ant and then building with NB those projects still marked as errors. The strange thing is that even though they are marked with errors they seem to build. I've noticed there are a lot of warnings but I don't see

Re: The Red Sea

So I decided to look at NB code base. Followed the "bootstrap" section here: https://netbeans.apache.org/participate/submit-pr.html except that I used NB8.2 to do the Git things. When NB asked if I wanted to open a project I selected them all and clicked "Yes". After cranking several minutes

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

less than now), didn't get it, stuck with swing. Started > using NBP - looked like swing was the first class citizen, so again that > was my choice. > > > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dmitry, that is the who

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

P.S. And JavaFX layouts are an order of magnitude better than Swing layouts. On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dmitry, that is the whole purpose of Swing layouts. HTML tables cannot > compare with the functionality of layouts. > > &

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

Dmitry, that is the whole purpose of Swing layouts. HTML tables cannot compare with the functionality of layouts. I also constantly find myself struggling with creating forms in swing that > are just used to represent parameters for command line programs, it's > always tricky for me to make

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

Gili: So now that they are no longer in charge (it's open source now) let's fix AWT/Swing/FX and start marketing. We're in charge now. Or did I take a nap and miss something? Ultimately, perhaps not in the short term, you get market share by providing a demonstrably better alternative. We

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

So, what are you waiting for? https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/OpenJFX/Main will be more than happy to suck up some energy from you. Sorry, I guess I'm in a snarky mood today but I just get so tired of everybody ragging on Oracle. How long has OpenJDK been the source and Oracle has been

Re: NB9

I stumbled onto a tutorial for NB binding a couple of days ago. I looked for it in NB9 and it is missing (present in 8.2). I don't see a plugin either. Is this an oversight or by design? I've never actually used it but it seems relevant to JSE. Anybody know?

Re: My Personal UI Rant, Was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Scott, thanks for saying it so well. I absolutely loathe and despise trying to get any real work done with a browser interface. On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Scott Palmer wrote: > Sometimes I think the world has gone crazy. > > Here are a few simple observations: > -

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

[2] does not build on release 219 with jdk9 > [1] Plus few minutes of Maven plugins initial download time... > [2] Have you noticed that the wizard ("New Project", "JavaFX", "Java HTML5 > Application") is written in HTML UI? I hope the transition from the Swing > to the HTML UI was smooth enough

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

I can't be the only person who has noticed that jdk8 had 15 HTML classes/interfaces and jdk9 has 74 HTML classes/interfaces? Does this tell us something? Sure looks to me like HTML is coming to Java in a big way. Is there anything a browser can render that Java cannot render? If so, what is

Re: Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK (was: Re: Noticed Oracle is Working to Remove Java FX, AWT, and Swing from Base Java/JDK)

If I understood the message of the white paper NB will have to be distributed through MS and Apple's app stores (I have no idea what the process for getting their approval or the cost of doing that may be) and that it will have to be shipped as a containerized application that includes the jdk.

Re: Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK (was: Re: Noticed Oracle is Working to Remove Java FX, AWT, and Swing from Base Java/JDK)

That white paper says to me jdk11 is the end of the road for JSE at Oracle. Without Swing/JavaFX I can't think of a single reason to have JSE on a computer. The message of the white paper was clear: both Apple and Microsoft own their platforms and the day is not too distant when both will

Re: build 211

Having issues with 205 so updated to 211 this a.m. I'm refactoring a project to use jdk9 on the referenced build. It is a Maven/JavaFX project. I've added the module-info class and the project compiles fine. The first issue was that the project couldn't find HttpClient (in the incubator). I

Re: info requested regarding build fail

Yeah, I've been thinking about that. Don't understand how SUSE can screw-up Ant but since it apparently happened and even Apache Ant 1.9.9 didn't seem to work for me maybe just increment the readme to require Apache Ant 1.10.1 ?? Obviously, Fedora did something to ant as well. I agree with John

Re: info requested regarding build fail

te: > I’d start by recloning from scratch, i.e., delete everything you have right > now. Clone from scratch then run Ant 1.10.1 again. > > Gj > > On Friday, January 19, 2018, Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Just tried with Apache Ant 1.10.1 and got this fail p

Re: info requested regarding build fail

s://lists.apache.org/thread.html/51dad1ca86facf5b5244ec7136d7e3 > > 0d42915fbb7899e38345ee95f6@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > > > It seems the initial poster had a similar issue? > > > > Regards > > > > John > > > > On 19 January 2018 at 19:49, Chuck Davis <c

Re: info requested regarding build fail

is thread: > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/51dad1ca86facf5b5244ec7136d7e3 > 0d42915fbb7899e38345ee95f6@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > It seems the initial poster had a similar issue? > > Regards > > John > > On 19 January 2018 at 19:49, Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com> w

Re: info requested regarding build fail

Following information as requested. I can provide any other of the Ant output anybody wants to see if it will help (it scrolls way too fast to get a clue). But I seem to be the only one not experiencing success so I've contented myself to use the binaries others produce. LINK TO SOURCES I USED:

Re: NB 178 of 2018.01.14

com> wrote: > So describe in detail why you’re not able to build the source so someone > can help. > > Gj > > On Friday, January 19, 2018, Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Results of trying the nbm. > > > > I uninstalled JShell. > &

Re: NB 178 of 2018.01.14

any other "gotchas" there may be lurking in JShell??? On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Svata Dedic <svatopluk.de...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dne 19.1.2018 v 17:46 Chuck Davis napsal(a): > >> >> jshell> System.out.println(new java.sql.Date(1415980523459).toString());

Re: NB 178 of 2018.01.14

Using binary build as referenced.. I wanted to use JShell so tried to open it and received the following: Could not initialize JShell: Launching JShell execution engine threw: Failed remote launch: java.util.concurrent.TimeoutException @ com.sun.jdi.CommandLineLaunch (defaults:

Re: Build failed - linux

wrote: > The ZIP file will not build, it is not supposed to build, it is > already built -- all you need to do is start it up/ > > Gj > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:43 PM, Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Gilberto: > > > > Last week I got my cou

Re: Build failed - linux

Gilberto: Last week I got my courage up to try to build NB9. I first downloaded the zip file from github. It would not build -- failed miserably. Then I tried the instructions for cloning/building with NB8.2 and it worked flawlessly. I've been using it since working on a JavaFX project with

Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

Also like the first one best. Big improvement over so-called modern "flat" / "material" in my opinion! On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Siddhesh Rane wrote: > Hi, > I might be a bit late here but the topic is of importance to me. I > personally don't want netbeans to

Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0

+1 So-called "flat" or "material" design is so last century -- right out of the 80's. On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 06/28/2017 04:38 AM, Christian Lenz wrote: > > Sure, I forgot it, sry. > > Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id= >