I have noticed some negative trends happening to us in the last (1-2) years:
* a dramatic decrease of design discussions and an increase in commits
* committers are often working for themselves and not for the greater good of
the project (if a customer pays me to do something then it will be also
Thank you Adrian.
Yes, I think that issuing another release branch before the switch would be a
good idea; I am pretty sure that an important decision like this will take some
good time before it is widely accepted :-)
Jacopo
On Jan 26, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
Jacopo,
Your
Maybe now the time is ripe to take the discussion regarding the road ahead
further and split it into new threads with topics that enable us to focus
and have healthy and constructive discussions.
So that we indeed can get to a workable and accepted plan for upcoming
releases of the product and an
I think these new idea should be separated form the current code base.
It should be a new generation of the OFBiz while development still
continues on the current one. As I said before, Eclipse 4.0 and Eclipse
3.0 are the prefect example. Mouqi could be the start for the new
generation OFbiz
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Hi Jacques,
Some ebayStore functionalities are
Hi All,
This thread is about where you want the community to go with the underlying
core components of OFBiz (aka the Framework).
The framework is the enables of all applications and business processes and
users of the product. It is about security, and about a future proof and
reliable platform
Hi all,
With the release of 10.04 we come to a point in time where we can think
about the future of the Accounting application. In order to draw up a plan
for future releases we would like have your input.
What do you feel is important? What should be in, what should be removed,
what can be
Trunk: Catalog Manager - Improve Browse Catalogs/Categories
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Key: OFBIZ-4150
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4150
Project: OFBiz
Issue Type: Improvement
Hi all,
With the release of 10.04 we come to a point in time where we can think
about the future of the ecommerce application. In order to draw up a plan
for future releases we would like have your input.
What do you feel is important? What should be in, what should be removed,
what can be
Hi all,
With the release of 10.04 we come to a point in time where we can think
about the future of the applications involved in Supply Chain Management.
The applications involved here are:
- Order
- Catalog
- Manufacturing
In order to draw up a plan for future releases we would like
Hi all,
With the release of 10.04 we come to a point in time where we can think
about the future of the applications involved in Customer Releation
Management. The applications involved here are:
- Marketing
- SFA
In order to draw up a plan for future releases we would like have your
Hi all,
With the release of 10.04 we come to a point in time where we can think
about the future of the application(s) involved in Human Resources
Management.
In order to draw up a plan for future releases we would like have your
input.
What do you feel is important? What should be in, what
Hi all,
With the release of 10.04 we come to a point in time where we can think
about the future of the application(s) involved in Project Management.
In order to draw up a plan for future releases we would like have your
input.
What do you feel is important? What should be in, what should be
Hi,
This morning no demos was working. I got any messages from Nagios, but saw that
message in trunk log
XmlFileLoader: File file:/home/ofbiz/trunk/framework/base/config/ofbiz-containers.xml process fatal error. Line: 270. Error message:
The string -- is not permitted within comments.
I
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Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-4118:
Hi Arun,
I'd be ok with it, but it must
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Pierre Smits closed OFBIZ-4140.
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Resolution: Fixed
Order: PDF rendering in same browser window as OFBiz in stead of new window
Hello All,
Some ebayStore functionalities are missing in 10.04 such as functionality of
import order from ebay. So should we back port that missing functionality in
10.04 release. Because without that functionality I think ebayStore is
worthless in 10.04. Please let me know your thoughts.
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Pierre Smits closed OFBIZ-4139.
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Resolution: Fixed
Manufacturing: PDF rendering in same browser window as OFBiz in stead of new
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Pierre Smits closed OFBIZ-4141.
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Resolution: Fixed
Product: PDF rendering in same browser window as OFBiz in stead of new window
(With so many messages I don't have a good spot to say my short piece so here
will do)
IMO our problems will only increase with the size of the code base. Every time
a new feature is committed you have an additional potential audience that must
be kept happy and our ability to please
+1 for backporting, since it seems useless w/out. It's a kind of funtionnal
bug
Jacques
Arun Patidar wrote:
Hello All,
Some ebayStore functionalities are missing in 10.04 such as functionality of
import order from ebay. So should we back port that
missing functionality in 10.04 release.
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Jacques Le Roux reopened OFBIZ-4140:
Reopened: we still need to work on the Birt reports. I have asked about them on
dev ML w/out
My apologies,
I forgot about that one.
Regards,
Pierre
2011/1/27 Jacques Le Roux (JIRA) j...@apache.org
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Jacques Le Roux reopened OFBIZ-4140:
Le 27/01/2011 11:50, Scott Gray a écrit :
(With so many messages I don't have a good spot to say my short piece so here
will do)
IMO our problems will only increase with the size of the code base. Every time
a new feature is committed you have an additional potential audience that must
be
On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Scott Gray wrote:
(With so many messages I don't have a good spot to say my short piece so here
will do)
IMO our problems will only increase with the size of the code base. Every
time a new feature is committed you have an additional potential audience
Scott Gray wrote:
(With so many messages I don't have a good spot to say my short piece so here
will do)
IMO our problems will only increase with the size of the code base. Every time
a new feature is committed you have an additional
potential audience that must be kept happy and our ability
That sounds like a workable solution to me as well.
But why move parts of the current code of the product (as is it is now)
outside of the ASF' repo?
Looking at Commons in JIRA I see several related projects. We could do this
for OFBiz too. Split up in to several sub projects, have for each sub
From: Erwan de FERRIERES erwan.de-ferrie...@nereide.fr
Le 27/01/2011 11:50, Scott Gray a écrit :
(With so many messages I don't have a good spot to say my short piece so here
will do)
IMO our problems will only increase with the size of the code base. Every time a new feature is committed
Another interesting idea, competing with Erwan's. I'd also prefer to keep
things in ASF repo if possible...
We could have a distinction between components, important one (eCommerce, ...) still in ASF repo, others more peripheric, (ebay,
Google, Oagis, etc.) out of it?
Jacques
From: Pierre
On 28/01/2011, at 12:02 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
Le 27/01/2011 11:50, Scott Gray a écrit :
(With so many messages I don't have a good spot to say my short piece so
here will do)
IMO our problems will only increase with the size of the code base. Every
time a new feature is
On 28/01/2011, at 12:17 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Scott Gray wrote:
(With so many messages I don't have a good spot to say my short piece so
here will do)
IMO our problems will only increase with the size of the code base. Every
time a new feature is committed you have an additional
On 28/01/2011, at 12:19 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
That sounds like a workable solution to me as well.
But why move parts of the current code of the product (as is it is now)
outside of the ASF' repo?
Some of those points were just thrown out there, I'm not necessarily in favor
of that and I
I agree that ecommerce is significantly important enough that it should be kept
under project control but I don't believe for a second that the other special
purpose components benefit from being in the main code base except that it
increases their visibility.
On 28/01/2011, at 12:34 AM,
Project Manager, POS? Even maybe My Portal and AssetMaint?
Jacques
Scott Gray wrote:
I agree that ecommerce is significantly important enough that it should be kept
under project control but I don't believe for a
second that the other special purpose components benefit from being in the main
If they have a user base then what does it matter? If people care then they'll
look after them and if not then they'll die, either way it's one less thing to
worry about.
Regards
Scott
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
On 28/01/2011, at 1:03 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Project
Crudely put, but nonetheless true.
And all can have their place in the OFBiz ecosystem. Even HumanRes could be
considered a SpecialApp. Which of the current set of core apps should stay
in? And which not? Your opinions please.
Regards,
Pierre
2011/1/27 Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com
I did not receive any messages from Nagios because Nagios was faulty. Gavin
just fixed it.
But once more: please when you change something there and it does not work
don't let it like that!
Jacques
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Hi,
This morning no demos was working. I got any messages from Nagios,
Copied from
http://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_launches
14 December 2010 – The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) today announced
apache-extras.org, the Google-hosted site for code associated with Apache
projects that are not part of the Foundation's more
I think that we should separate everything so nothing depends on each other and
then provide release bundles so that new users to the system are presented with
a package that includes the everything and the kitchen sink but also
instructions on how to turn it off if they don't want it, while
Hi all,
I was looking for the date of the first OFBiz's commit. Can't find it
anywhere on sourceforge. has someone still this one ?
Also, as it is the 10th anniversary, should it be possible to make a
special artwork for the logo, or something we could put in the demo ?
TIA,
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Erwan de
Thanks - I understand now. I apologize if I over-asserted myself.
I wasn't trying to be a bureaucrat. My suggestion wasn't push-back - it
was a suggestion based on the current level of activity in the
community. It seems everyone is really busy right now, so in my mind
starting a major
Great post, I agree completely.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.comwrote:
(With so many messages I don't have a good spot to say my short piece so
here will do)
IMO our problems will only increase with the size of the code base. Every
time a new feature
One thing that is important to remember is that there is a difference
between real obstacles to innovation and imagined ones.
David expressed frustration with the inability to innovate due to push
back from a few people who insist on backward compatibility. That is a
real obstacle. I am
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Erwan de FERRIERES commented on OFBIZ-3892:
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Already done.
L10N and I18N for
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Resolution: Cannot Reproduce
Fix Version/s: SVN trunk
Assignee: Erwan de
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Erwan de FERRIERES commented on OFBIZ-3795:
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migration to ivy may have resolved
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Erwan de FERRIERES closed OFBIZ-3892.
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Resolution: Fixed
Fix Version/s: SVN trunk
L10N and I18N for BIRT reporting
Text fields in Portlet forms not editable
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Key: OFBIZ-4151
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4151
Project: OFBiz
Issue Type: Bug
Components: ALL APPLICATIONS
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Has anybody managed editing Freemarker templates that include macros
with the new elRTE editor?
Inserting this:
a href=@ofbizUrlsomething/@ofbizUrlsome text/a
is escaped to this:
a href=%3C@ofbizUrl%3Esomething%3C/@ofbizUrlsome text/a
Any ideas
Sorry, I didn't see this thread when I wrote my previous email. If it should
be resent to this thread, please let me know.
Cheers, Brian
On Jan 27, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
Hi All,
This thread is about where you want the community to go with the underlying
core components of
Hi ,
We observed a bug in latest SVN ofbiz themes. Please let us know if any one
came across with the same bug .
*Bug :-*
Navigation on rendered list items is not working .Errors are like :-
- Number of display record is not getting updated (it is always taking
the default value )
-
#1 I can see the problem with backward compatibility, though I think
this is confused with migration path. From the statement not to support
backward and/or migration, you have created a new industry, which I am
glad to fill.
#2 From David statements about dumping ofbiz framework for Moqui, and
back-porting for functional changes openup more bugs of the coding type.
It also opens up this policy for other Functional back ports that has
been vetoed in the pass.
so I am for it if the policy for functional back ports is not accepted.
=
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power
I'm looking around a little for the old CVS repo on SourceForge (which is what
OFBiz started with, wasn't much SVN available in those days), and I think it
may be gone.
The old release files are available though:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz/files/OldFiles/
Should be pretty
I have created
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbizaddons/
when ofbiz was at version 3.
this also allows people to get donations or their work.
Based on the conversation on this thread, I don't a addon manager will
deal with lack of compatibility and migration.
=
BJ
another solution is to get people committed to a part of the code and
establish a communication form where all contribute.
This has worked well in a formal commercial enviorement. So even though
this is a community effort why can't we take from a commercial model
that works.
the Biggest piece I
Thanks Scott, this is exactly the approach I'd prefer to see and I agree it
would avoid a lot of the conflict (not more tragedy of the commons) and allow
for greater growth for the project, and opportunities for individuals to do
something.
-David
On Jan 27, 2011, at 2:50 AM, Scott Gray
OK, let's keep it broken and useless in R10.04. I don't care, I use trunk :o)
Jacques
BJ Freeman wrote:
back-porting for functional changes openup more bugs of the coding type.
It also opens up this policy for other Functional back ports that has
been vetoed in the pass.
so I am for it if the
the earlist copy of ofbiz i have is in 2002
the earliest date I have for cvs is 8/15/2003
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BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/
This is an interesting point on its own. OFBiz started with a heavy ecommerce
emphasis, but I think it would be interesting to move that to another project
and open the way for competing ecommerce apps too...
-David
On Jan 27, 2011, at 3:47 AM, Scott Gray wrote:
I agree that ecommerce is
I agree with you Adrian, any major rewrites or changes are probably best done
in a way to not affect the active trunk, especially when it is has been a while
since a release branch and we are close to the 2011 one (we could really do it
any time I support).
But, there is no reason to rush it
Sorry Adrian, you're speaking for me, not based on anything I've written, and
you couldn't be more wrong.
The point is not to be able to make innovative changes without discussion and
planning, the point is to be able to setup the project structure to facilitate
innovative changes and
looking at the data model book, I don't see how to do that at the data
level.
then you have ones perception of what should go where.
good example is Agreements.
I believe it should be in party but it is currently in Accounting.
=
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with
The project was created on SourceForge.net on 13 May 2001. I don't know when
the first commit was.
The first preview release (still available on SourceForge) was
ofbiz-2001.05.24.zip which, as the name implies, was released on 24 May 2001.
Obviously I had been working on the data model and
Hi all,
some time ago, the jackrabbit branch was created. There has not be many
commits in it, and from this thread, it was looking very promising.
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/jackrabbit20100709/
Is the project dead ? Or what is missing to make it work ?
TIA,
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Erwan de
One more thing: I did not give up on participating in this community. I never
said I was, nor do I think my behavior related to this community has
demonstrated any such things.
I just started another project.
-David
On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:22 AM, adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com wrote:
I wasn't speaking for you - I was commenting on your recent replies
and Jacopo's suggestion that the PMC has done something wrong to cause
them. As a member of the community and a participant in this
discussion, I reserve the right to do so.
We already know you would like to change the PMC
The biggest issue with interdependency in the base applications (ie those in
the ofbiz/applications directory) is that of the data model. The nature of
business data is that it is pretty much all related other other areas of the
business data. This is based on the fact that not much happens in
I think this is resolved with current myportal and pages that can be put
together.
=
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems
On 1/26/2011 11:56 PM, David E Jones wrote:
No, the discussion is not, but your response here is inherently bureaucratic.
You wrote: Your suggestions sound fair to me. Maybe after the 11.x branch is
created we can discuss these ideas.
That's some serious push-back... MAYBE after the 11.x
On Jan 27, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
On 1/26/2011 11:56 PM, David E Jones wrote:
No, the discussion is not, but your response here is inherently
bureaucratic.
You wrote: Your suggestions sound fair to me. Maybe after the 11.x branch
is created we can discuss these ideas.
On 1/27/2011 7:28 PM, David E Jones wrote:
On Jan 27, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
On 1/26/2011 11:56 PM, David E Jones wrote:
No, the discussion is not, but your response here is inherently bureaucratic.
You wrote: Your suggestions sound fair to me. Maybe after the 11.x branch is
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Arun Patidar updated OFBIZ-4118:
Attachment: 10.04-ofbiz-4118.patch
Hi Jacques,
I am attaching a patch for bug fixes in 10.04,
One thing I would like to see is to use the OSGi runtime for framework.
This will help modularising efforts. For example entity engine, service
engine, security etc. will be OSGi bundles running on top of OSGi
framework such Apache Karaf. Apache ServiceMix is already using Karaf
Policy? We were not talking about changing policies here... it was a matter
of discussing a specific topic: rules are good and useful in general because
they offer a guideline that helps to question how a change should be done; for
specific situations were the policies don't fit well a
not sure how what you said differs from what I said.
You point out a no difference between Policies and rules, from what I
pick up.
since I said I am for it this would be a deviation, and agreement with you.
:D
=
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier
Just a note David
I agree with Adam when more than one has a view that agree, would not
that mean they might have a valid point.
=
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
oops mean Adrian.
BJ Freeman sent the following on 1/27/2011 10:53 PM:
Just a note David
I agree with Adam when more than one has a view that agree, would not
that mean they might have a valid point.
=
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
In my last message I said:
*Please join us in this discussion about the Accounting application.*
Of course, in the light of this topic, this should have been:
*Please join us in this discussion about the CRM application(s).*
My apologies for any inconveniences caused.
Regards,
Pierre
In my last message I said:
*Please join us in this discussion about the Accounting application.*
Of course, in the light of this topic, this should have been:
*Please join us in this discussion about the Project Management
application(s).*
My apologies for any inconveniences caused.
In my last message I said:
*Please join us in this discussion about the Accounting application.*
Of course, in the light of this topic, this should have been:
*Please join us in this discussion about the SCM application(s).*
My apologies for any inconveniences caused.
Regards,
Pierre
In my last message I said:
*Please join us in this discussion about the Accounting application.*
Of course, in the light of this topic, this should have been:
*Please join us in this discussion about the HRM application(s).*
My apologies for any inconveniences caused.
Regards,
Pierre
In my last message I said:
*Please join us in this discussion about the Accounting application.*
Of course, in the light of this topic, this should have been:
*Please join us in this discussion about the eCommerce application(s).*
My apologies for any inconveniences caused.
Regards,
When thinking about improving the Project Management suite I think of
following improvements.
- Ease up on the need to first add persons to resources. Employees should
always be available for project teams.
- More/better info on the project summary about the health of the project
Regarding CRM I thing about following improvements
- Being able to classify an account party as prospect or customer
- Being able to associate an account party with a team (account team for
large account with many sub accounts)
- Being able to associate accounts to other accounts
Tree does not build/show when the primary company doesn't have 'company' as the
id
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Key: OFBIZ-4152
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4152
Project:
Hi Erwan,
i thing the basic work to let JR running is done.
To be honest i didn't found time to catch up.
But i really would be interested in reanimating the branch ;)
2011/1/27 Erwan de FERRIERES erwan.de-ferrie...@nereide.fr
Hi all,
some time ago, the jackrabbit branch was created. There
Make entity engine a standalone database access tool/API
Key: OFBIZ-4153
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4153
Project: OFBiz
Issue Type: Improvement
Following improvements I would like to see:
- Better layout of reports
- e-invoicing
- import of e-invoices from suppliers
- import of bank statements
2011/1/27 Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
Hi all,
With the release of 10.04 we come to a point in time where we can think
WootWoot. Hurray for 10 years OFBiz...
How convenient that release 10 coincides. Maybe we could hold a contest to
get a logo that commemorates the aniversary.
Regards,
Pierre
2011/1/27 David E Jones d...@me.com
The project was created on SourceForge.net on 13 May 2001. I don't know
when
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