Re: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google)
On 1/2/13 9:05 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: Howdy Jürgen, Hmm - well, I had understood it was ALv2 specifically so that it would be available to the project here. Hopefully when the developers make a drop of the code it will be something that the devs here will want to utilize it, wasn't really fair to ask anyone to comment on something they haven't seen yet. I hope so too, on the other hand it is paid development work and the question is what does it mean to make it available in both projects ;-) I think in the long run support for the format is worthwhile, to be honest if Google would actually support ODF in and out for wp,ss,pr I would not care so much. That is true but Google is looking what their customers need or want which of course is natural. And OOXML was pushed with a lot of money in the market and into a standard. I personally lose trust in standards a little bit after this sad story but many people don't care too much about it. The label ISO standard is enough and the technical details are not interesting. But that is reality and I have stopped to think too idealistic ;-) That means it is important to have a good OOXML support as well in the future to continue the game. Juergen Thanks Drew On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 12/25/12 5:50 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: Thanks for that - I knew of that initiative. Does the project intend to integrate their work? sure, OOXML can't be ignored and we are interested in the work. I think it was the main intention to make the paid work available in both AOO and LibreOffice and that's the reason for the chosen license ALv2. Unfortunately we haven't seen any line of code (or any patch) so far but we are in contact with the OSBA and will be informed as soon as the patches are available. We as project are open for any kind of collaboration on this topic and we would like to avoid duplicate work. Especially the OOXML export is currently missing in AOO and volunteers who are interested on this topic are welcome. From my point of view it makes much more sense to combine the resources we have instead of competing. Did I mention that I am personally not interested in competing with a derivative product based on the same code base. I am simply interested to continue the success of OpenOffice under the well known brand and I am happy if all the improvements of AOO will find their way in LO as well (and they do) and if they are identified or marked in a proper way ;-) Juergen On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The slides are here: http://www.slideshare.net/nice/apache-eurocon2012-matthiasstuermer It appears that some of the milestone results, as Apache-licensed tarballs, should already be in the hands of the Open Source Business Alliance. Those should be available to anyone. This is probably a good place to watch for them (auf Deutsch): http://www.osb-alliance.de/working-groups/office-interoperability/. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 16:16 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google) Hello; The ASF is a non-profit organization, we don't pay for coding but concerning docx support there was a talk from Matthias Stürmer in ApacheConEU: http://www.apachecon.eu/schedule/presentation/46/ This effort, of course, predates the establishment of AOO as a TLP so we were not consulted. It is a well intended initiative but despite the funding it appears to have produced no results for OpenOffice so far. We had a chance to talk with Matthias and while I won't make any comments, I would think the organizers will make their own evaluation and will likely consider the results before engaging in future investments of this kind. Pedro. Da: Andrew Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Domenica 23 Dicembre 2012 14:46 Oggetto: Re: AOO questions on Google No save as for docx is why libre is installed on a few machines i sometimes deal with. Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G F C. Costero fjcc.apa...@gmail.com wrote: Since there is some interest in this particular topic, here are the 9 questions I categorized as MS Interoperability with the number of positive votes appended to each in parentheses. 1. I tryed to save my word processor file as a MS Word file only extensions listed in the drop down were for text or Open Office, no Word option. Help function said I should have had that option in the drop down under save as. version 3.4.1. Could you add a converter for format MS .docx as the actual converter for .doc does not work proper. It mix up text and drawings and make the whole page a mess. (1) 2. hello, How can i open openoffice file with microsoft office? Gr Sam
Re: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google)
Hi, if you're interested into including the changes into AOO then all parties involved are listed here (incl. email addresses): http://www.digitale-nachhaltigkeit.ch/2012/07/suse-und-lanedo-setzen-ooxml-verbesserungen-in-libreofficeopenoffice-org-fur-behorden-um/ Am 03.01.2013 10:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 1/2/13 9:05 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: Howdy Jürgen, Hmm - well, I had understood it was ALv2 specifically so that it would be available to the project here. Hopefully when the developers make a drop of the code it will be something that the devs here will want to utilize it, wasn't really fair to ask anyone to comment on something they haven't seen yet. I hope so too, on the other hand it is paid development work and the question is what does it mean to make it available in both projects ;-) Kind regards, Joost
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:16:12 +0400 Yakov Reztsov yakovr...@mail.ru wrote: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible I got error: DNS service for this domain has expired with DNS Made Easy It has been very uncertain of access for about the last four months. No one knows anything certain about its future. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
[RELEASE]: 1 day left for new/updated translations for AOO 3.4.1
Hi, this is just a friendly reminder for our translation deadline tomorrow Jan 4th, 2013. But if you don't make the date, our next release is not too far away and we are looking forward to release even more languages for AOO 4.0. Please provide information about used dictionaries as well that we can bundle them directly. For details see the wiki planning page https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Respin+for+additional+languages For now we will include 6 new languages: Danish, Korean, Polish, Scottish Gaelic, Swedish We can think of adding some further languages where we have volunteers working on an updated translation and where we have a satisfying UI coverage of for example = 94%. I am not sure what's best and would like to ask our community. Juergen
Re: [RELEASE]: 1 day left for new/updated translations for AOO 3.4.1
On 3 January 2013 13:14, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, this is just a friendly reminder for our translation deadline tomorrow Jan 4th, 2013. But if you don't make the date, our next release is not too far away and we are looking forward to release even more languages for AOO 4.0. Please provide information about used dictionaries as well that we can bundle them directly. For details see the wiki planning page https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Respin+for+additional+languages For now we will include 6 new languages: Danish, Korean, Polish, Scottish Gaelic, Swedish We can think of adding some further languages where we have volunteers working on an updated translation and where we have a satisfying UI coverage of for example = 94%. I am not sure what's best and would like to ask our community. +1 for adding, can we on the download page make a note language xxx is not completly translated. 94% is pretty high, if UI is near 100% and just helpcontent2 is missing a lower % would not hurt. jan I Juergen
Re: [RELEASE]: 1 day left for new/updated translations for AOO 3.4.1
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 01:14:03PM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, this is just a friendly reminder for our translation deadline tomorrow Jan 4th, 2013. But if you don't make the date, our next release is not too far away and we are looking forward to release even more languages for AOO 4.0. Please provide information about used dictionaries as well that we can bundle them directly. For details see the wiki planning page https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Respin+for+additional+languages For now we will include 6 new languages: Danish, Korean, Polish, Scottish Gaelic, Swedish Yesterday while building yesterday I realized there are several resources that are not being translated; an example, for nb: ... languages nb ... ... analyzing files ... WARNING: Using autotextshare_en-US.zip instead of autotextshare_nb.zip WARNING: Using palettes_en-US.zip instead of palettes_nb.zip WARNING: Using tpllayoutimpr_en-US.zip instead of tpllayoutimpr_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplpresntimpr_en-US.zip instead of tplpresntimpr_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizagenda_en-US.zip instead of tplwizagenda_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizdesktop_en-US.zip instead of tplwizdesktop_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizfax_en-US.zip instead of tplwizfax_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizletter_en-US.zip instead of tplwizletter_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizreport_en-US.zip instead of tplwizreport_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizstyles_en-US.zip instead of tplwizstyles_nb.zip WARNING: Using wordbook_en-US.zip instead of wordbook_nb.zip This includes AutoText, palettes, templates, wordbook. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgp6aGEbpDsFm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [RELEASE]: 1 day left for new/updated translations for AOO 3.4.1
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 01:55:42PM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Yesterday while building yesterday I realized there are several resources that are not being translated; an example, for nb: ... languages nb ... ... analyzing files ... WARNING: Using autotextshare_en-US.zip instead of autotextshare_nb.zip WARNING: Using palettes_en-US.zip instead of palettes_nb.zip WARNING: Using tpllayoutimpr_en-US.zip instead of tpllayoutimpr_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplpresntimpr_en-US.zip instead of tplpresntimpr_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizagenda_en-US.zip instead of tplwizagenda_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizdesktop_en-US.zip instead of tplwizdesktop_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizfax_en-US.zip instead of tplwizfax_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizletter_en-US.zip instead of tplwizletter_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizreport_en-US.zip instead of tplwizreport_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizstyles_en-US.zip instead of tplwizstyles_nb.zip WARNING: Using wordbook_en-US.zip instead of wordbook_nb.zip This includes AutoText, palettes, templates, wordbook. mmh, interesting I have never recognized this. Any ideas what's going wrong? the localized content in main/extras/source/, which isn't uploaded into pootle, should also be translated. There should be a guide how to localized those resources; in the case of wizard templates, for example, a simple mistake may make the whole wizard not work. There is a manual at http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/l10n/localization/extras/How-To_Manual_OOo-Extras.odt?view=log that might be still valid. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpOM_Hxuuk6J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Unable to create media wiki account
Alexander I see that the entire user creation system has changed. When you said that you were unable to create an account using your gmail account, I assumed that this was related to users not being able to create accounts. This seems to have changed with an interesting new captcha systems that should keep spammers down. I had not anticipated that gmail accounts are not disallowed on media wiki because they are considered temporary email accounts. I was aware that temporary email address sites would be disallowed, I was not aware that gmail was included in this list. I am posting this email to the dev mailing list where those more in the know than I can respond. On 01/02/2013 08:52 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Hello Andrew, Using krasowskian would be good if possible. Thank you, Alexander K. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org mailto:and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 01/02/2013 06:34 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Quick note; on the previous part Mwiki would not allow me to register using a disposable email (my gmail account). Thank you, Alexander K. I can create an account for you using gmail I think. What user name do you desire? You will only need to set the password after I create the account (the system will send an automatic email to you) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
On 01/03/2013 05:16 AM, Yakov Reztsov wrote: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible I got error: DNS service for this domain has expired with DNS Made Easy -- Yakov Reztsov It has been unreliable for a while. This, however, is something different. I dropped an email to the site owner (too early to call him on the phone). Will see if he responds. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google)
LOl - well, I wouldn't make too much of the paid development part, Jurgen, it is what you do also, paid developement work for this project. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Joost Andrae joost.and...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, if you're interested into including the changes into AOO then all parties involved are listed here (incl. email addresses): http://www.digitale-**nachhaltigkeit.ch/2012/07/** suse-und-lanedo-setzen-ooxml-**verbesserungen-in-** libreofficeopenoffice-org-fur-**behorden-um/http://www.digitale-nachhaltigkeit.ch/2012/07/suse-und-lanedo-setzen-ooxml-verbesserungen-in-libreofficeopenoffice-org-fur-behorden-um/ Am 03.01.2013 10:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 1/2/13 9:05 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: Howdy Jürgen, Hmm - well, I had understood it was ALv2 specifically so that it would be available to the project here. Hopefully when the developers make a drop of the code it will be something that the devs here will want to utilize it, wasn't really fair to ask anyone to comment on something they haven't seen yet. I hope so too, on the other hand it is paid development work and the question is what does it mean to make it available in both projects ;-) Kind regards, Joost
Re: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google)
Well, it is easier to get funding for such things if both projects get benefits. Depending on the organizers, if things only go to one side now it is likely that such funding will not be available in the future or that it will be reduced considerably and then everyone loses. Pedro. Da: Drew Jensen LOl - well, I wouldn't make too much of the paid development part, Jurgen, it is what you do also, paid developement work for this project. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Joost Andrae joost.and...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, if you're interested into including the changes into AOO then all parties involved are listed here (incl. email addresses): http://www.digitale-**nachhaltigkeit.ch/2012/07/** suse-und-lanedo-setzen-ooxml-**verbesserungen-in-** libreofficeopenoffice-org-fur-**behorden-um/http://www.digitale-nachhaltigkeit.ch/2012/07/suse-und-lanedo-setzen-ooxml-verbesserungen-in-libreofficeopenoffice-org-fur-behorden-um/ Am 03.01.2013 10:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 1/2/13 9:05 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: Howdy Jürgen, Hmm - well, I had understood it was ALv2 specifically so that it would be available to the project here. Hopefully when the developers make a drop of the code it will be something that the devs here will want to utilize it, wasn't really fair to ask anyone to comment on something they haven't seen yet. I hope so too, on the other hand it is paid development work and the question is what does it mean to make it available in both projects ;-) Kind regards, Joost
Re: [RELEASE]: 1 day left for new/updated translations for AOO 3.4.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 1/3/13 2:08 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 01:55:42PM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Yesterday while building yesterday I realized there are several resources that are not being translated; an example, for nb: ... languages nb ... ... analyzing files ... WARNING: Using autotextshare_en-US.zip instead of autotextshare_nb.zip WARNING: Using palettes_en-US.zip instead of palettes_nb.zip WARNING: Using tpllayoutimpr_en-US.zip instead of tpllayoutimpr_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplpresntimpr_en-US.zip instead of tplpresntimpr_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizagenda_en-US.zip instead of tplwizagenda_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizdesktop_en-US.zip instead of tplwizdesktop_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizfax_en-US.zip instead of tplwizfax_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizletter_en-US.zip instead of tplwizletter_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizreport_en-US.zip instead of tplwizreport_nb.zip WARNING: Using tplwizstyles_en-US.zip instead of tplwizstyles_nb.zip WARNING: Using wordbook_en-US.zip instead of wordbook_nb.zip This includes AutoText, palettes, templates, wordbook. mmh, interesting I have never recognized this. Any ideas what's going wrong? the localized content in main/extras/source/, which isn't uploaded into pootle, should also be translated. There should be a guide how to localized those resources; in the case of wizard templates, for example, a simple mistake may make the whole wizard not work. There is a manual at http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/l10n/localization/extras/How-To_Manual_OOo-Extras.odt?view=log that might be still valid. ok, we should take a closer look on this for 4.0. Or better we should include it in the new process from the beginning. Juergen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJQ5aGnAAoJEM/u8xZRtf3ogeEP/AkssnrbMP/GQkVw+ZRr5Oa+ KXMi7qzMKdI9nYbO2R1QvK5eoy5+9ddc05Zbw9cR2HC6dOWaLO/IDdiC+PQ9ck8w /eLB7lhJQOnobLUme+Wm9XOkVqflSmv1EOlV4T63ocdWPzX++4CcsHda+iApLu6v s+PoJErOVfB291+Bq1jPIX6WenIRiSSZC30M+UCTA4qHgYC57JAcfByF7zRPG6P8 VoH4k6iavAK7ZlxEWeeqefGJy5PKHAKzd7Jy1PWFM2EXK1btWjqrjfVxddTkboFJ iSoKUqqvjBDO1GNGxbsvuEBiq/y2ARD0X3K9KgR4D9LV1ZA1aoUGK/0KWlIqgB+O HtgR+XL80gYSzflGEmowgOyEYzLCasyNXq+mwpzCVZk+y6/QYQu0XL8s5vGGOzcr FI4O9AeVe3fSHX9x5o8oSShoz/Km4E0UVP9+mY0jOzTR7dMgawTvwIf73i+0jTrU 2LpB0od4nfUqiQv98nVkjHqS49JO0rMlg5IyiEoqb/umOkSNQC6+ynYZWs45e7/Q lhwfL5AYutBg7wZxANbe6MZqutA88lzE/YlI46RgLOHakKfx7fNWWyEJYGl7w9pr xxce2sD2w93sNbOtlW4d0l7IabhLuzehy7vo9oEg2qxhV78ksUU5McH5dbF/Hqga DXA4CALgGoo5mINmAVUL =Ywj2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Draft blog response to top 10 questions
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to questions 7, 8 and 10. 7. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office functionality for tables? 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? 10. Why is the User Profile causing so much trouble in migration from older versions to 3.4.1? Thanks, -Rob
Re: For information: Ubuntu on Android phones news report
On 2013/01/03 06:50, Rory O'Farrell said: BBC report that Ubuntu will be modified to run on Android phones. This may open the door for a port of Apache OpenOffice http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868 I can't wait to see that. I tried to install Linux inside my Android ASUS Transformer in last week I hoped to see OpenOffice my Transformer. The performance is poor. Android uses framebuffer instead of the X-server for display. Framebuffer is terrible in performance for desktop applications. From the news article, it seems that Canonical is planning to replace the Android OS on the devices with its Ubuntu Linux. This seems reasonable to solve the framebuffer performance problem, replacing it completely with an X-server. However, I have many Android applications and games on my Transformer. I would not replace my Android OS for that. :p -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
2013/1/3 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered Good! For point 3: security vulnerabilities that may effect both products. I think it should be affect. We've had several cases where a programmer contributed a patch to LibreOffice and then turned around and send the same fix to us at Apache? The question mark at the end is wrong. Regards Ricardo In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to questions 7, 8 and 10. 7. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office functionality for tables? 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? 10. Why is the User Profile causing so much trouble in migration from older versions to 3.4.1? Thanks, -Rob
Typos on web etc...
Hi Infra just suggested that I promote this site: https://comments.apache.org/ It is intented to be used by non-committers, to e.g. inform about typos and such on our web. Maybe we could link to it from openoffice.org Rgds Jan I
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:46:41 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered snip Number 5, about PDF needs a plain statement that AOO and earlier OOo are not intended to be PDF readers/editors, which task is best handled by dedicated tools, although the PDF import extension for AOO does permit minor cosmetic editing. There is a common misconception that OpenOffice ought open every type of office file; each week on the Forum there are several queries concerning failure to open PDFs in OpenOffice. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to questions 7, 8 and 10. 7. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office functionality for tables? 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? 10. Why is the User Profile causing so much trouble in migration from older versions to 3.4.1? I counted 11 mentions to LibreOffice. Do we really want to give them such kind of promotion? Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO. I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO related questions, but how representative are these questions when most of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and resources. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpmeU9iuRUlN.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to questions 7, 8 and 10. 7. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office functionality for tables? 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? 10. Why is the User Profile causing so much trouble in migration from older versions to 3.4.1? I counted 11 mentions to LibreOffice. Do we really want to give them such kind of promotion? Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO. I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO related questions, but how representative are these questions when most of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and resources. I've seen similar questions come up on the user list, as blog comments and on the forums. So it is representative of questions from the more engaged users, who may or may not be representative of the average user. So there might be some value in answering them in one place, so we can point users to this post in the future. -Rob Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
First to what Rory was saying on PDF editing, I tend to agree and personally don't see it as a must have feature for any suite - that said, again for myself I'd point out that with ODF-extended file format they can create a PDF/ODF hybrid (whether you think that is a good idea or not..;) but it is the case anyway) and I think worth a mention. To Ariel's point - I think it's valid (though I disagree that AOO on MS Windows wouldn't know about it) IMO the best situation is to not address LibO at all - I would directly tell folks asking about it to ask at the proper location and that is LibO. I will say the same about LibO resources. Myself I wish that were not the best way, but I think it is. That said, I also hope that AOO and LibO developers end up having a beer together at FOSDEM and exchanging ideas on the code in sessions.. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.orgwrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to questions 7, 8 and 10. 7. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office functionality for tables? 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? 10. Why is the User Profile causing so much trouble in migration from older versions to 3.4.1? I counted 11 mentions to LibreOffice. Do we really want to give them such kind of promotion? Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO. I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO related questions, but how representative are these questions when most of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and resources. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Typos on web etc...
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:00 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: Hi Infra just suggested that I promote this site: https://comments.apache.org/ It is intented to be used by non-committers, to e.g. inform about typos and such on our web. We discussed it at one point, when this was initially rolled out. If I recall, there was some concern that if we put it on the most prominent pages, like home page or download page, it would encourage vandalism or spam, or would be overwhelmed with comments. The dangers of a page that gets 110K visits/day But maybe there is a subset of pages where this would make more sense? It seems like it would be well-suited for things like release notes or building guides or SDK pages, where there are procedures or instructions or other technical information that could be commented on. But it is not clear to me when we would use this approach versus putting the info on a wiki where users can improve it directly. Another approach, more oriented to typo's, etc., would be to have a report a problem with this page link that pre-populates either an email to the dev list or a Bugzilla report. -Rob Maybe we could link to it from openoffice.org Rgds Jan I
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:36:33 -0500 Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: First to what Rory was saying on PDF editing, I tend to agree and personally don't see it as a must have feature for any suite - that said, again for myself I'd point out that with ODF-extended file format they can create a PDF/ODF hybrid (whether you think that is a good idea or not..;) but it is the case anyway) and I think worth a mention. It ought be emphasised that this only allows limited (cosmetic type) editing. To Ariel's point - I think it's valid (though I disagree that AOO on MS Windows wouldn't know about it) IMO the best situation is to not address LibO at all - I would directly tell folks asking about it to ask at the proper location and that is LibO. I will say the same about LibO resources. Myself I wish that were not the best way, but I think it is. That said, I also hope that AOO and LibO developers end up having a beer together at FOSDEM and exchanging ideas on the code in sessions.. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.orgwrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to questions 7, 8 and 10. 7. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office functionality for tables? 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? 10. Why is the User Profile causing so much trouble in migration from older versions to 3.4.1? I counted 11 mentions to LibreOffice. Do we really want to give them such kind of promotion? Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO. I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO related questions, but how representative are these questions when most of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and resources. It might be worth reducing the number of specific references to LibO to the bare minimum, and gereralising to stress that AOO code can be and is used by a number of other customised Office suites; we don't have to list them. A general statement of Apache OpenOffice willingness to co-operate should suffice, without casting blame in any direction. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:36:33 -0500 Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: First to what Rory was saying on PDF editing, I tend to agree and personally don't see it as a must have feature for any suite - that said, again for myself I'd point out that with ODF-extended file format they can create a PDF/ODF hybrid (whether you think that is a good idea or not..;) but it is the case anyway) and I think worth a mention. It ought be emphasised that this only allows limited (cosmetic type) editing. OK. See if the revised answer is good. To Ariel's point - I think it's valid (though I disagree that AOO on MS Windows wouldn't know about it) IMO the best situation is to not address LibO at all - I would directly tell folks asking about it to ask at the proper location and that is LibO. I will say the same about LibO resources. Myself I wish that were not the best way, but I think it is. That said, I also hope that AOO and LibO developers end up having a beer together at FOSDEM and exchanging ideas on the code in sessions.. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.orgwrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to questions 7, 8 and 10. 7. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office functionality for tables? 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? 10. Why is the User Profile causing so much trouble in migration from older versions to 3.4.1? I counted 11 mentions to LibreOffice. Do we really want to give them such kind of promotion? Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO. I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO related questions, but how representative are these questions when most of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and resources. It might be worth reducing the number of specific references to LibO to the bare minimum, and gereralising to stress that AOO code can be and is used by a number of other customised Office suites; we don't have to list them. A general statement of Apache OpenOffice willingness to co-operate should suffice, without casting blame in any direction. Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame? -Rob -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Development
Hi Jonathan, On 03.01.2013 17:19, Jonathan wrote: Hi, I am a coder in objective c and c and c++ and would like to contribute to making the OpenOffice suite support iOS, please reply soon. It looks like you'd like dive right into the source! http://openoffice.apache.org/source.html is a good start for that and especially the directory main/vcl/aqua/ might interest you as it contains the stuff for OSX support which might be a good start also for iOS support. Herbert
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:58 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/3 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered Good! For point 3: security vulnerabilities that may effect both products. I think it should be affect. We've had several cases where a programmer contributed a patch to LibreOffice and then turned around and send the same fix to us at Apache? The question mark at the end is wrong. Thanks -- I made those corrections. -Rob Regards Ricardo In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to questions 7, 8 and 10. 7. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office functionality for tables? 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? 10. Why is the User Profile causing so much trouble in migration from older versions to 3.4.1? Thanks, -Rob
Re: We Need One - Fwd: DOAP
Dave Fisher wrote: We need to fill out a project DOAP file in order to be listed on www.apache.org on the bottom left. Thanks, this was already reported by khirano while the migration was not completed yet, so it was in the list of pending changes at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Graduation+Infrastructure+Changes ... Well, now it isn't pending any longer! OpenOffice will soon be displayed at http://www.apache.org/ (bottom left); or at least, we now have a valid DOAP file at http://openoffice.apache.org/doap_openoffice.rdf Regards, Andrea.
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Yakov Reztsov yakovr...@mail.ru wrote: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible And that is an official Apache OpenOffice support site since, when? FC
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
It never has been an official site, officially, but it was the original, and only english language, support forum on the web for the suite for a good while. So lots of existing links from all manner of other resources. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Yakov Reztsov yakovr...@mail.ru wrote: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible And that is an official Apache OpenOffice support site since, when? FC
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
One more thought on oooforum - is the problems such that it would warrant removing the site from the Google Custom Search Engine used on the aoo-forums landing page? On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.comwrote: It never has been an official site, officially, but it was the original, and only english language, support forum on the web for the suite for a good while. So lots of existing links from all manner of other resources. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Yakov Reztsov yakovr...@mail.ru wrote: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible And that is an official Apache OpenOffice support site since, when? FC
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: One more thought on oooforum - is the problems such that it would warrant removing the site from the Google Custom Search Engine used on the aoo-forums landing page? sorry, first time I read about oooforum.org. I thought these were the official forums... http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=9 FC
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: snip OK. See if the revised answer is good. Revised text is very good. snip Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame? No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so. My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar project. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Hey Rob, Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is the number one asked question, is that what it say? I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general questions and get: Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please fix it. So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get the top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you already have this in a neat SS that you could share, Thanks, Drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: snip OK. See if the revised answer is good. Revised text is very good. snip Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame? No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so. My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar project. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Rob, Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is the number one asked question, is that what it say? I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general questions and get: Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please fix it. You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one: http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8 So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get the top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you already have this in a neat SS that you could share, You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right page. -Rob Thanks, Drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: snip OK. See if the revised answer is good. Revised text is very good. snip Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame? No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so. My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar project. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
My bad - came back typing and didn't read your last mail - ok, grabbed that one also. Thanks On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.comwrote: Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into Google Docs. Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a single question ranking is trivial. Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share this raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd ask to be sure no one minds. //drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Rob, Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is the number one asked question, is that what it say? I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general questions and get: Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please fix it. You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one: http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8 So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get the top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you already have this in a neat SS that you could share, You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right page. -Rob Thanks, Drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: snip OK. See if the revised answer is good. Revised text is very good. snip Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame? No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so. My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar project. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into Google Docs. Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a single question ranking is trivial. Google Moderator does that automatically. That is part of their popularity ranking. They might take some other factors into account, such as how recently a question was asked. An older question had more time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable. For purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than devising my own metric. Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share this raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd ask to be sure no one minds. We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks. So it is hardly a state secret. I'll add a link to the blog post as well. -Rob //drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Rob, Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is the number one asked question, is that what it say? I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general questions and get: Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please fix it. You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one: http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8 So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get the top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you already have this in a neat SS that you could share, You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right page. -Rob Thanks, Drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: snip OK. See if the revised answer is good. Revised text is very good. snip Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame? No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so. My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar project. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Volunteers for a FOSDEM Hacking OpenOffice tutorial session?
Hi On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Now... Would this be worth pursuing? Yeah ! I see this good events as an marketing for AOO. The search to development is important. Hackfest AOO :-) -- Albino
Re: New year
Hi On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Sylvain DENIS sylvain.tech...@gmail.com wrote: I hope an happy new year to aoo Happy new year to all !!! Very happy and sucess to AOO ! :-) -- Albino
Re: New year
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Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
I wasn't looking, or thinking about AOO for a few months - missed the switch. Anyway, it is the top vote getter question there alright... Oddly, I can't actually get the csv export from google on the proper question page - remote services, try back again in 2 minutes please ;) On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into Google Docs. Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a single question ranking is trivial. Google Moderator does that automatically. That is part of their popularity ranking. They might take some other factors into account, such as how recently a question was asked. An older question had more time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable. For purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than devising my own metric. Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share this raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd ask to be sure no one minds. We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks. So it is hardly a state secret. I'll add a link to the blog post as well. -Rob //drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Rob, Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is the number one asked question, is that what it say? I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general questions and get: Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please fix it. You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one: http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8 So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get the top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you already have this in a neat SS that you could share, You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right page. -Rob Thanks, Drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: snip OK. See if the revised answer is good. Revised text is very good. snip Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame? No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so. My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar project. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't looking, or thinking about AOO for a few months - missed the switch. The old one was for product ideas. The new one was for questions. It seemed like a good idea to keep these distinct. Anyway, it is the top vote getter question there alright... Let me know if you see any other questions that should be answered. You may notice that no single iPad/Android question was in the top 10, though there were several of them that were in the top 20. So combing the votes on those gave me an excuse to bump into into the winners circle. I might do the same for the Windows 8 support questions -- again, several of them where votes could be combined. -Rob Oddly, I can't actually get the csv export from google on the proper question page - remote services, try back again in 2 minutes please ;) On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into Google Docs. Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a single question ranking is trivial. Google Moderator does that automatically. That is part of their popularity ranking. They might take some other factors into account, such as how recently a question was asked. An older question had more time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable. For purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than devising my own metric. Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share this raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd ask to be sure no one minds. We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks. So it is hardly a state secret. I'll add a link to the blog post as well. -Rob //drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Rob, Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is the number one asked question, is that what it say? I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general questions and get: Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please fix it. You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one: http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8 So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get the top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you already have this in a neat SS that you could share, You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right page. -Rob Thanks, Drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: snip OK. See if the revised answer is good. Revised text is very good. snip Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame? No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so. My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar project. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Calc user guide Chapter 6 - German translation READY NOW
Hi, TJ Frazier schrieb: [..] Hi, Regina, I have found a good place, by following the Deutsch link on the Documentation page. On the English version, the links are a couple of pages away, but the German page is mostly redlinks. An indented link under the Calc 3.2 redlink should work. I expect to use the name of the document (as attached by Heiko) as the link text; this is how the English chapters are listed. Do you mean http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/DE/Documentation ? That would be a suitable place for a link. Thank you for the reviewing. My German is totally inadequate for that. Do you have any suggestions for how Heiko should handle the next review cycle? Send straight to me (no review)? Send to you? Post it on the wiki, and ask the DE list for review? Generally speaking, docs like this shouldn't be sent to a mailing list. If Heiko gets to like ODFAuthors, then he can put it into the Draft folder in the section Apache OpenOffice. Writing a mail to the DE list would be good in any case. But I have no strong opinion where to put the document: external download space, attach to a [DE] issue, or upload to the wiki. Kind regards Regina
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
On 01/03/2013 12:40 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: One more thought on oooforum - is the problems such that it would warrant removing the site from the Google Custom Search Engine used on the aoo-forums landing page? sorry, first time I read about oooforum.org. I thought these were the official forums... http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=9 FC oooforum.org is NOT an official forum, as Drew already stated. It was, however, the first, and it contains significant content. A user posted that an OpenOffice related forum is down, so I responded. Now, if anyone cares, a credit card was used to auto-renew, and the expiration changed That has now been fixed, and the site is back up. The site has been hammered with spam bots, so the owner claims to be working on a fix. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Unable to create media wiki account
Although that may be true, Neither Alexander nor I were able to create an account using a gmail email address because the email address was considered a temporary email address. Alexander, can you try again to create a new account. On 01/03/2013 10:30 AM, janI wrote: HI. gmail is not on the list of mailers we block, I just double checked. The list is manually edited. Rgds Jan I. On 3 January 2013 15:19, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.orgwrote: Alexander I see that the entire user creation system has changed. When you said that you were unable to create an account using your gmail account, I assumed that this was related to users not being able to create accounts. This seems to have changed with an interesting new captcha systems that should keep spammers down. I had not anticipated that gmail accounts are not disallowed on media wiki because they are considered temporary email accounts. I was aware that temporary email address sites would be disallowed, I was not aware that gmail was included in this list. I am posting this email to the dev mailing list where those more in the know than I can respond. On 01/02/2013 08:52 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Hello Andrew, Using krasowskian would be good if possible. Thank you, Alexander K. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org mailto:and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 01/02/2013 06:34 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Quick note; on the previous part Mwiki would not allow me to register using a disposable email (my gmail account). Thank you, Alexander K. I can create an account for you using gmail I think. What user name do you desire? You will only need to set the password after I create the account (the system will send an automatic email to you) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: A user posted that an OpenOffice related forum is down, so I responded. That´s OK Andrew, I´m not questioning your actions. Just never heard of that site before and failed to see the connection with the AOO dev list. That´s all. I´m happy to hear that the third party site is on its way to be back online. FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
New mailing list for OpenOffice documentation developers
Quick reminder, in case you missed this news over the holidays. We have a new mailing list dedicated to documentation developers (authors, editors, information engineers, whatever you want to call yourself) for OpenOffice. Volunteers can subscribe to the list by sending an email to : doc-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and then responding to the confirmation email you will receive. More information on the list is here: (archives URL, how to unsubscribe, etc.): http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#documentation-mailing-list-public Topics covered will presumably include traditional book-like documentation, but also FAQ's, wiki-based documentation, etc. Some have even expressed an interest in DITA. If any of these topics interest you, we welcome you to join the mailing list. With a major new release coming in Apache OpenOffice 4.0, it is a good time for us to get started! Regards, -Rob
Calc vs. acaddins : where to put stuff.
Hi; While digging around Calc I see some things that could be ordered better. One change that I am considering is moving RAND() to the Analysis scaddin and bringing the error erf() function in base Calc. This has reasons of course: in the case of RAND() I want it in the same file as RANDBETWEEN() so I can use them cleanly.. erf() is something I would consider doing with Boost, and I don't want to have to link boost into the scaddin for just one function. There are probably other changes that can be done too. Just wanted to make sure if there is some criteria to keep some function in or out of the base Calc or in a scaddin. Pedro.
Re: Unable to create media wiki account
I just did and got the same error message again. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Although that may be true, Neither Alexander nor I were able to create an account using a gmail email address because the email address was considered a temporary email address. Alexander, can you try again to create a new account. On 01/03/2013 10:30 AM, janI wrote: HI. gmail is not on the list of mailers we block, I just double checked. The list is manually edited. Rgds Jan I. On 3 January 2013 15:19, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Alexander I see that the entire user creation system has changed. When you said that you were unable to create an account using your gmail account, I assumed that this was related to users not being able to create accounts. This seems to have changed with an interesting new captcha systems that should keep spammers down. I had not anticipated that gmail accounts are not disallowed on media wiki because they are considered temporary email accounts. I was aware that temporary email address sites would be disallowed, I was not aware that gmail was included in this list. I am posting this email to the dev mailing list where those more in the know than I can respond. On 01/02/2013 08:52 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Hello Andrew, Using krasowskian would be good if possible. Thank you, Alexander K. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org mailto:and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 01/02/2013 06:34 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Quick note; on the previous part Mwiki would not allow me to register using a disposable email (my gmail account). Thank you, Alexander K. I can create an account for you using gmail I think. What user name do you desire? You will only need to set the password after I create the account (the system will send an automatic email to you) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://www.**pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Unable to create media wiki account
Jan, how long before your change propagates out? Perhaps you can perform a test and try to create an account for Alexander with the username krasowskian with his email address to see if it is really working I suggest a password of JanWorksToHard :-) joke On 01/03/2013 05:09 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: I just did and got the same error message again. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Although that may be true, Neither Alexander nor I were able to create an account using a gmail email address because the email address was considered a temporary email address. Alexander, can you try again to create a new account. On 01/03/2013 10:30 AM, janI wrote: HI. gmail is not on the list of mailers we block, I just double checked. The list is manually edited. Rgds Jan I. On 3 January 2013 15:19, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Alexander I see that the entire user creation system has changed. When you said that you were unable to create an account using your gmail account, I assumed that this was related to users not being able to create accounts. This seems to have changed with an interesting new captcha systems that should keep spammers down. I had not anticipated that gmail accounts are not disallowed on media wiki because they are considered temporary email accounts. I was aware that temporary email address sites would be disallowed, I was not aware that gmail was included in this list. I am posting this email to the dev mailing list where those more in the know than I can respond. On 01/02/2013 08:52 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Hello Andrew, Using krasowskian would be good if possible. Thank you, Alexander K. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org mailto:and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 01/02/2013 06:34 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Quick note; on the previous part Mwiki would not allow me to register using a disposable email (my gmail account). Thank you, Alexander K. I can create an account for you using gmail I think. What user name do you desire? You will only need to set the password after I create the account (the system will send an automatic email to you) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://www.**pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Unable to create media wiki account
Hi. I have created the account without problems (password as suggested). did you refresh your browser window ? rgds Jan I. On 3 January 2013 23:17, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.orgwrote: Jan, how long before your change propagates out? Perhaps you can perform a test and try to create an account for Alexander with the username krasowskian with his email address to see if it is really working I suggest a password of JanWorksToHard :-) joke On 01/03/2013 05:09 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: I just did and got the same error message again. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Although that may be true, Neither Alexander nor I were able to create an account using a gmail email address because the email address was considered a temporary email address. Alexander, can you try again to create a new account. On 01/03/2013 10:30 AM, janI wrote: HI. gmail is not on the list of mailers we block, I just double checked. The list is manually edited. Rgds Jan I. On 3 January 2013 15:19, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Alexander I see that the entire user creation system has changed. When you said that you were unable to create an account using your gmail account, I assumed that this was related to users not being able to create accounts. This seems to have changed with an interesting new captcha systems that should keep spammers down. I had not anticipated that gmail accounts are not disallowed on media wiki because they are considered temporary email accounts. I was aware that temporary email address sites would be disallowed, I was not aware that gmail was included in this list. I am posting this email to the dev mailing list where those more in the know than I can respond. On 01/02/2013 08:52 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Hello Andrew, Using krasowskian would be good if possible. Thank you, Alexander K. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org mailto:and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 01/02/2013 06:34 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Quick note; on the previous part Mwiki would not allow me to register using a disposable email (my gmail account). Thank you, Alexander K. I can create an account for you using gmail I think. What user name do you desire? You will only need to set the password after I create the account (the system will send an automatic email to you) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt http://www.**pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt ** http://www.**pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt http://www.**pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://www.**pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Unable to create media wiki account
Got it, thanks! On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I have created the account without problems (password as suggested). did you refresh your browser window ? rgds Jan I. On 3 January 2013 23:17, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Jan, how long before your change propagates out? Perhaps you can perform a test and try to create an account for Alexander with the username krasowskian with his email address to see if it is really working I suggest a password of JanWorksToHard :-) joke On 01/03/2013 05:09 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: I just did and got the same error message again. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Although that may be true, Neither Alexander nor I were able to create an account using a gmail email address because the email address was considered a temporary email address. Alexander, can you try again to create a new account. On 01/03/2013 10:30 AM, janI wrote: HI. gmail is not on the list of mailers we block, I just double checked. The list is manually edited. Rgds Jan I. On 3 January 2013 15:19, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Alexander I see that the entire user creation system has changed. When you said that you were unable to create an account using your gmail account, I assumed that this was related to users not being able to create accounts. This seems to have changed with an interesting new captcha systems that should keep spammers down. I had not anticipated that gmail accounts are not disallowed on media wiki because they are considered temporary email accounts. I was aware that temporary email address sites would be disallowed, I was not aware that gmail was included in this list. I am posting this email to the dev mailing list where those more in the know than I can respond. On 01/02/2013 08:52 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Hello Andrew, Using krasowskian would be good if possible. Thank you, Alexander K. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org mailto:and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 01/02/2013 06:34 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote: Quick note; on the previous part Mwiki would not allow me to register using a disposable email (my gmail account). Thank you, Alexander K. I can create an account for you using gmail I think. What user name do you desire? You will only need to set the password after I create the account (the system will send an automatic email to you) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt http://www.**pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt ** http://www.**pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt http://www.**pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://www.**pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: first look at a scrolling News column...
On 01/01/2013 10:12 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Carl Marcum cmar...@apache.org mailto:cmar...@apache.org wrote: On 12/31/2012 06:06 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Well, I have finally put up a mockup of what a scrolling News column on our home page would look like. This is in the test area on staging at the moment. http://ooo-site.staging.__apache.org/test/ http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/test/ This required editing changes to the index page and a minor styling change for the home.css styles along with using an ssi for the news instead of two areas. For this mockup, I did take out a LOT of old news. Anyway, see what you think. I find the scroll bars a bit ugly but we may be able to pretty them up somehow. This will save the hassle we currently do with the News items however. +1 I like it. Thanks for work. Carl Thanks for the kudos, all. I will see what can be done about styling for phones. hmmm...well, double checking just now, it seems the block' allocated for the scroll is now just totally ignored via my phone and just makes a LONG column, so maybe not so bad. At first, it cut off the bottom. I will reconstruct with ALL the old news with this styling, and call for LAZY CONSENSUS on this change. and @Rob...well I wouldn't call these stories as much as just announcements I guess, so they are somewhat different than our blogs. Maybe we do have a bit more redundancy than we need however. I would think anything that was sent out via the announcements mail list should perhaps be entered in the News as well. Just my .02. I will work more on styling this week. I may actually put ALL the old news items back in -- it doesn't hurt anything and maybe folks would just like them as some historical reference. -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: Development
Forwarding Herbert's answer (below) to Jonathan, who is not subscribed to this mailing list. Andrea. Herbert Duerr wrote: Hi Jonathan, On 03.01.2013 17:19, Jonathan wrote: Hi, I am a coder in objective c and c and c++ and would like to contribute to making the OpenOffice suite support iOS, please reply soon. It looks like you'd like dive right into the source! http://openoffice.apache.org/source.html is a good start for that and especially the directory main/vcl/aqua/ might interest you as it contains the stuff for OSX support which might be a good start also for iOS support. Herbert
Re: Volunteers for a FOSDEM Hacking OpenOffice tutorial session?
On 03/01/2013 Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Now... Would this be worth pursuing? Yeah ! I see this good events as an marketing for AOO. Me too, but we would need a volunteer in the next 24 hours, since we must then finalize the FOSDEM schedule and this tutorial would be added as a special talk to our devroom schedule. Regards, Andrea.
[PROPOSAL] lazy consensus for new News scrolling
Here's is the latest/final draft for the proposed new user portal web site home page incorporating News scrolling: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ I am invoking lazy consensus for this change. If I hear no complaints by Sunday 1750 PDT, I will implement this change. Thereafter all news items will not be added to the home page directly or to /news/index.html, but to /news/newslist.ssi (this is a text file, not html), LIFO order, maintaining the styling you see for other items there. -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
On 01/03/2013 02:05 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: howdy Andrew, Great. Well, it, the op, prompted me to look at the CSE accessible at forum.openoffice.org. Glad I did, there was a little snaffu. Did a search for 邊 and sure enough it pulls up, under the all areas tab, but was not coming up under the forums tab - which is wrong. So, my pointy little head thinks maybe should update the index of sites - removed user.services.openoffice.org and replaced with forum.openoffice.org, seemed appropriate and maybe that is why the mistake. I guess it needs a few hours at least for that to show up. BTW looking at the stats page there for the CSE, the search bos appears to be used a few times an hour, pretty much full time. Cool. //drew This little bit about the CSE on the official forum page is way odd to me. So, as you say, on: http://forum.openoffice.org/ if I put in oooforum, it does indeed bring up lots of entries for teh OpenOffice.org Forum site. So, some a question: -- do we want to re-list it on the support page on the website: http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html -- On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: A user posted that an OpenOffice related forum is down, so I responded. That´s OK Andrew, I´m not questioning your actions. Just never heard of that site before and failed to see the connection with the AOO dev list. That´s all. I´m happy to hear that the third party site is on its way to be back online. FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: [PROPOSAL] lazy consensus for new News scrolling
On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Here's is the latest/final draft for the proposed new user portal web site home page incorporating News scrolling: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ I like it. Great work. I am invoking lazy consensus for this change. If I hear no complaints by Sunday 1750 PDT, I will implement this change. Thereafter all news items will not be added to the home page directly or to /news/index.html, but to /news/newslist.ssi (this is a text file, not html), LIFO order, maintaining the styling you see for other items there. It would be good if there were dates on all of the entries. I can see how to change this into mdtext in such a way that any file named news.mdtext is specially converted like the topnav.html. We can then set brand.mdtext to include a newsfeed url and allow news feeds to be translated or special for certain directories. But then don't wait for me. Regards, Dave -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: [PROPOSAL] lazy consensus for new News scrolling
2013/1/4 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Here's is the latest/final draft for the proposed new user portal web site home page incorporating News scrolling: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ I am invoking lazy consensus for this change. If I hear no complaints by Sunday 1750 PDT, I will implement this change. I can see how this makes it easier to manage the news articles. Previously we kept the most recent articles on index.html and rotated the older ones off onto an archive page. This was a manual process, an extra set of steps. With your new SSI mechanism we just keep all of the news articles in a single SSI file, the are displayed on the home page and the user can scroll through them. So from the perspective of the author of the news stories this is a big improvement. Thanks for looking into this! However, from the perspective of the page reader, this has two liabilities: 1) Aesthetically, from a design perspective this doesn't work well, especially that scroll bar. IMHO, it does not look like a professional page. 2) Impact on page load time. As we add more stories to the SSI, especially stories with images/photos (which I'd like to start doing) the page size is going to increase. Eventually this becomes a problem and we're back to manual rotation of the stories to an archive page. Since this is the visitors first impression of the project, I wonder if it is worth exploring further to see if there is a way to address these issues? As I mentioned before, the ASF home page has a latest activity panel that avoids both of these problems: http://www.apache.org/ Can we copy what they do? Disclaimer: from the technical point of view, I have no idea what I'm talking about so just take the following as an example of what happens when a completely html illiterate starts to think aloud... Suppose we put all news on one page, but organized with a heading, an abstract and then the main article. Question: is it possible to use that page as a sort of database and load only the, say, first five headings with their corresponding abstracts and show them on the lateral panel in the main page? No idea how difficult could be to do that, but once it is set managing the news will be easier and I think this could solve both problems mentioned by Rob. Regards Ricardo -Rob Thereafter all news items will not be added to the home page directly or to /news/index.html, but to /news/newslist.ssi (this is a text file, not html), LIFO order, maintaining the styling you see for other items there. -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: Calc vs. acaddins : where to put stuff.
Hi Pedro, Pedro Giffuni schrieb: Hi; While digging around Calc I see some things that could be ordered better. One change that I am considering is moving RAND() to the Analysis scaddin and bringing the error erf() function in base Calc. This has reasons of course: in the case of RAND() I want it in the same file as RANDBETWEEN() so I can use them cleanly.. erf() is something I would consider doing with Boost, and I don't want to have to link boost into the scaddin for just one function. There are probably other changes that can be done too. Just wanted to make sure if there is some criteria to keep some function in or out of the base Calc or in a scaddin. Long time ago Addin was used for those functions which are not available in a standard Excel installation, but need an addin installed in Excel. Another reason for Addin has been, to show, how own functions can be defined without integrating them directly into the interpreter (example ROT13). I have never done such thing and do not know whether it still works. But there are two issues about it, https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=101386 and https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=98149 In the meantime Excel has moved the functions to the standard installation and most of these functions are specified in ODF. Besides the task to give a way to define own functions, there is no need for scaddin at all. So considering that all, I think, that at least all functions, which are defined in ODF, should go to the normal sc. I do not know, whether a move has any influence on opening old documents, which do not use the ODF namespace oc. I do not understand your comment on erf. The function erf and erfc are moved to rtl::math with https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=97091 You are considering far-reaching changes. Therefore I suggest to speak with Eike before doing it. Kind regards Regina
Re: Calc vs. acaddins : where to put stuff.
Hi Regina; Thank you for the explanations. Da: Regina Henschel Hi Pedro, Pedro Giffuni schrieb: Hi; While digging around Calc I see some things that could be ordered better. One change that I am considering is moving RAND() to the Analysis scaddin and bringing the error erf() function in base Calc. This has reasons of course: in the case of RAND() I want it in the same file as RANDBETWEEN() so I can use them cleanly.. erf() is something I would consider doing with Boost, and I don't want to have to link boost into the scaddin for just one function. There are probably other changes that can be done too. Just wanted to make sure if there is some criteria to keep some function in or out of the base Calc or in a scaddin. Long time ago Addin was used for those functions which are not available in a standard Excel installation, but need an addin installed in Excel. Another reason for Addin has been, to show, how own functions can be defined without integrating them directly into the interpreter (example ROT13). I have never done such thing and do not know whether it still works. But there are two issues about it, https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=101386 and https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=98149 In the meantime Excel has moved the functions to the standard installation and most of these functions are specified in ODF. Besides the task to give a way to define own functions, there is no need for scaddin at all. So considering that all, I think, that at least all functions, which are defined in ODF, should go to the normal sc. OK, I don't really want to move things around very much, plus these things have to be done in careful order. I think I found a way to do what I need without moving things around so we will see. I do prefer to ask around before doing real changes so bear with me ;-). I do not know, whether a move has any influence on opening old documents, which do not use the ODF namespace oc. I do not understand your comment on erf. The function erf and erfc are moved to rtl::math with https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=97091 What I see is that we are keeping in rtl::math a lot of things that the system usually provides. It's good to have them there if they are going to be used in Addins but I am not sure the implementations are actually too good. In the case of erf, I think anything related to the Normal Distribution is absolutely critical and essential and I would have expected the implementation to be along with the other stats functions. TBH, I haven't even started to look at the stats stuff. I am very busy with other projects. You are considering far-reaching changes. Therefore I suggest to speak with Eike before doing it. I am actually going very slow, I am surprised that no one had done these things already but then I only looked at this after the pain of updating the ancient boost we were carrying. Of course discussion with people that know this better is welcome and that's why I bring the subject to the public lists. I suspect Eike is reading and that he will chime in if he notices my sharp axe dangerously near his baby ;-). Pedro.
Re: http://oooforum.org/ is not accessible
Hi Kay, No strong opinion on what i take as your question there. I will add this, a little off topic, I haven't been around for a while and just followed some of those links - ah the consultants listing I had not see. Nice. Drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/03/2013 02:05 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: howdy Andrew, Great. Well, it, the op, prompted me to look at the CSE accessible at forum.openoffice.org. Glad I did, there was a little snaffu. Did a search for 邊 and sure enough it pulls up, under the all areas tab, but was not coming up under the forums tab - which is wrong. So, my pointy little head thinks maybe should update the index of sites - removed user.services.openoffice.org and replaced with forum.openoffice.org, seemed appropriate and maybe that is why the mistake. I guess it needs a few hours at least for that to show up. BTW looking at the stats page there for the CSE, the search bos appears to be used a few times an hour, pretty much full time. Cool. //drew This little bit about the CSE on the official forum page is way odd to me. So, as you say, on: http://forum.openoffice.org/ if I put in oooforum, it does indeed bring up lots of entries for teh OpenOffice.org Forum site. So, some a question: -- do we want to re-list it on the support page on the website: http://www.openoffice.org/**support/index.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html -- On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: A user posted that an OpenOffice related forum is down, so I responded. That´s OK Andrew, I´m not questioning your actions. Just never heard of that site before and failed to see the connection with the AOO dev list. That´s all. I´m happy to hear that the third party site is on its way to be back online. FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- --**--** MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: Yes, the Windows build is broken due to boost
Hmm .. I found it, MSVC is picky/dumb and we have to specify the type, like in this case: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/708555/compile-error-c-could-not-deduce-template-argument-for-t If someone with Windows just goes ahead and fixes that, we can continue enjoying great precision in our math support, otherwise I will try to fix it tomorrow and will wait for the buildbot to restart ;). Cheers, Pedro.
Re: [discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.
On 1/2/2013 2:25 AM, janI wrote: Andrea: thx for your observations. With the very low activity we have on trunk, there might be no reason for statistics. I am simply just used to a more comfortable and flexible build system. If I want to check my l10n changes on different platforms I have to (or so I have been told) merge it to trunk and maybe be a pain for all others, an alternative (which is seen in other build systems) is a possibility to register a branch for a single night-compile. If it was a persistent branch or tag, it would be very easy to set up a nightly build for it. (I'd be happy to do that, and we have resources available to do it) Beyond that it gets more difficult. Our build is pretty complex, and each of the platforms takes a bit of tweaking - and still, they can be a bit finicky. The other issue is that we have a pretty long running build - 2 to 12 hours - and it contains a lot of long running processes. The problem here is that the ci frameworks have a hard time canceling a build, when they kill the process, they often leave around multiple child processes, some which hang and cause future builds to break. This is a long winded description of why the current approach focuses on nightly builds vs. triggered builds. Each of our builds is also pretty resource intensive, and if we are not careful, it is pretty easy to cause problems for the projects who we share buildbots with. The above isn't meant to say that things are best as they are, or even where we want it to be. This also isn't to suggest there aren't many improvements to be made. I'm just trying to illuminate the hurdles we face. A. but I will leave that theme to others. Jan I. On 1 January 2013 23:07, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: janI wrote: I might be wrong but do we e.g. - get automatic mail when a build fails ? - have a statistic over our build through time ? Notifications are sent to openoffice-commits, see for example http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/openoffice-** commits/201301.mbox/%**3C20130101075333.41945C00F8@**aegis.apache.org%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-commits/201301.mbox/%3c20130101075333.41945c0...@aegis.apache.org%3E I don't know if we have a handy way to see the build history and not just the latest build status displayed at http://ci.apache.org/projects/**openoffice/http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ I think the job being done today is great, and was in my own (obviously not too elegant) way just trying to see if we could improve. I didn't see anything inappropriate in the requests and reactions about the buildbot so far... it's normal to ask, it's normal to expect easy fixes, and it's normal that more challenging changes are accepted or denied based on discussion with people who are doing that work. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
How about this for question 8? Q: 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? A: Visual refresh is part of our continuous effort on user experience improvement. It is a challenge work to innovate with modern UI vs. support gradual transformation of huge amount of existing users, leverage OSes native widgets vs. keep consistent LF across platforms. Our UX designers and developers are working together on it, and you will notice some improvements in 4.0 which is coming around 2nd quarter. The more feedback we get from you, the better design we can make. Hope Kevin Grignon and other UX people can add better words... - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/4 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com On 01/03/2013 11:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't looking, or thinking about AOO for a few months - missed the switch. The old one was for product ideas. The new one was for questions. It seemed like a good idea to keep these distinct. Anyway, it is the top vote getter question there alright.. Let me know if you see any other questions that should be answered. You may notice that no single iPad/Android question was in the top 10, though there were several of them that were in the top 20. So combing the votes on those gave me an excuse to bump into into the winners circle. I might do the same for the Windows 8 support questions -- again, several of them where votes could be combined. -Rob so far, so good...and sorry I can't really help with 7, 8, or 10 Oddly, I can't actually get the csv export from google on the proper question page - remote services, try back again in 2 minutes please ;) On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into Google Docs. Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a single question ranking is trivial. Google Moderator does that automatically. That is part of their popularity ranking. They might take some other factors into account, such as how recently a question was asked. An older question had more time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable. For purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than devising my own metric. Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share this raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd ask to be sure no one minds. We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks. So it is hardly a state secret. I'll add a link to the blog post as well. -Rob //drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Rob, Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is the number one asked question, is that what it say? I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general questions and get: Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please fix it. You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one: http://www.google.com/**moderator/#16/e=2033e8http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8 So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get the top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you already have this in a neat SS that you could share, You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right page. -Rob Thanks, Drew On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: snip OK. See if the revised answer is good. Revised text is very good. snip Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame? No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so. My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful to avoid adverse
Version 3.5 or is it 4.0 ??
Howdy, Sorry, if this is old stuff - I don't really see an answer in the mail archive (not saying it isn't there). This is kind of in response to Shenfeng Liu's response, which I just read, on the thread deailing the top 10 questions blog. He wrote: How about this for question 8? Q: 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? A: Visual refresh is part of our continuous effort on user experience improvement. It is a challenge work to innovate with modern UI vs. support gradual transformation of huge amount of existing users, leverage OSes native widgets vs. keep consistent LF across platforms. Our UX designers and developers are working together on it, and you will notice some improvements in 4.0 which is coming around 2nd quarter. The more feedback we get from you, the better design we can make. --- so my question. I've downloaded the 3.5 daily build, Linux and Windows. Is this what is going to be the 4.0 release? Thanks, drew
Re: Version 3.5 or is it 4.0 ??
On 1/4/13 8:29 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: Howdy, Sorry, if this is old stuff - I don't really see an answer in the mail archive (not saying it isn't there). This is kind of in response to Shenfeng Liu's response, which I just read, on the thread deailing the top 10 questions blog. He wrote: How about this for question 8? Q: 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? A: Visual refresh is part of our continuous effort on user experience improvement. It is a challenge work to innovate with modern UI vs. support gradual transformation of huge amount of existing users, leverage OSes native widgets vs. keep consistent LF across platforms. Our UX designers and developers are working together on it, and you will notice some improvements in 4.0 which is coming around 2nd quarter. The more feedback we get from you, the better design we can make. --- so my question. I've downloaded the 3.5 daily build, Linux and Windows. Is this what is going to be the 4.0 release? no, it is not the final version. We are still working on some UI improvements, first versions of property sidebars and a reworked toolpanel concept that makes it even more attractive for extension developers. Some further improvements like renewed gallery with vector graphics etc. And yes we are planning for a 4.0 because of the UI changes. Juergen
Re: Version 3.5 or is it 4.0 ??
Thanks, Also, on the accessibility updates, I noted on the wiki page some dates. Looks like preliminary updates are in the current build as of Oct, but first useful updates not till next month, and full merge middle of the year - so is that the same basic timing before the UI changes will show up in the nightly builds also, early February? On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 1/4/13 8:29 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: Howdy, Sorry, if this is old stuff - I don't really see an answer in the mail archive (not saying it isn't there). This is kind of in response to Shenfeng Liu's response, which I just read, on the thread deailing the top 10 questions blog. He wrote: How about this for question 8? Q: 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? A: Visual refresh is part of our continuous effort on user experience improvement. It is a challenge work to innovate with modern UI vs. support gradual transformation of huge amount of existing users, leverage OSes native widgets vs. keep consistent LF across platforms. Our UX designers and developers are working together on it, and you will notice some improvements in 4.0 which is coming around 2nd quarter. The more feedback we get from you, the better design we can make. --- so my question. I've downloaded the 3.5 daily build, Linux and Windows. Is this what is going to be the 4.0 release? no, it is not the final version. We are still working on some UI improvements, first versions of property sidebars and a reworked toolpanel concept that makes it even more attractive for extension developers. Some further improvements like renewed gallery with vector graphics etc. And yes we are planning for a 4.0 because of the UI changes. Juergen
Re: Version 3.5 or is it 4.0 ??
On 1/4/13 8:48 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: Thanks, Also, on the accessibility updates, I noted on the wiki page some dates. Looks like preliminary updates are in the current build as of Oct, but first useful updates not till next month, and full merge middle of the year - so is that the same basic timing before the UI changes will show up in the nightly builds also, early February? accessibility is special because it is a lot of work, it simply takes time. Probably snapshots with some basic sidebars will be available in early February yes, we are making good progress with the framework. It's still some work to do ;-) Juergen On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 1/4/13 8:29 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: Howdy, Sorry, if this is old stuff - I don't really see an answer in the mail archive (not saying it isn't there). This is kind of in response to Shenfeng Liu's response, which I just read, on the thread deailing the top 10 questions blog. He wrote: How about this for question 8? Q: 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? A: Visual refresh is part of our continuous effort on user experience improvement. It is a challenge work to innovate with modern UI vs. support gradual transformation of huge amount of existing users, leverage OSes native widgets vs. keep consistent LF across platforms. Our UX designers and developers are working together on it, and you will notice some improvements in 4.0 which is coming around 2nd quarter. The more feedback we get from you, the better design we can make. --- so my question. I've downloaded the 3.5 daily build, Linux and Windows. Is this what is going to be the 4.0 release? no, it is not the final version. We are still working on some UI improvements, first versions of property sidebars and a reworked toolpanel concept that makes it even more attractive for extension developers. Some further improvements like renewed gallery with vector graphics etc. And yes we are planning for a 4.0 because of the UI changes. Juergen
