Re: [OSM-dev-fr] osm-watch, outil de veille de changesets

2012-10-15 Thread kimaidou
Bonjour Clément, Ton outil est très intéressant. J'avais essayé il y a 2 ou 3 ans de faire le même outil en python, mais à l'époque je travaillais directement avec l'api, et c'était trop gourmand.. J'ai vu que c'est codé en Java. Quand on discutait vendredi soir sur irc, je pensais que tu

Re: [OSM-dev-fr] osm-watch, outil de veille de changesets

2012-10-15 Thread didier2020
c'est chez moi ou le flux rss ne se lit plus correctement? didier ___ dev-fr mailing list dev-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev-fr

Re: [Potlatch-dev] [OpenStreetMap] #4626: Potlatch2 toolbox disappears

2012-10-15 Thread OpenStreetMap
#4626: Potlatch2 toolbox disappears --+ Reporter: SomeoneElse | Owner: potlatch-dev@… Type: defect | Status: new Priority: minor| Milestone: Component: potlatch2|Version: Resolution:

Re: [osmosis-dev] java.lang.AbstractMethodError: org.openstreetmap.osm.data.osmbin.v1_0.OsmBinV10Writer.initialize

2012-10-15 Thread KHOO KIM HWA
Thanks Brett, I downgraded to osmosis 0.39 and the osm to osmbin file worked. But there are only attrnames, nodes.id2, nodes.idx, nodes.obm and osmbin.properties which are generated. The corresponding files of *.id2, *.idx and *.obm for ways and relations are not generated. I found

Re: [OSM-dev] osm2pgsql and bbox imports

2012-10-15 Thread Peter Wendorff
Danke. Ich hab wohl zu wenig imports bisher durchgeführt und hatte das einfach als gegeben hingenommen ;) Danke fürs untersuchen und dokumentieren. Gruß Peter Am 15.10.2012 00:11, schrieb Stephan Knauss: On 12.10.2012 18:38, Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 12.10.2012 18:12, schrieb Stephan Knauss:

Re: [OSM-dev] multipolygon relation and non-closed ways

2012-10-15 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 08:03:12AM +0300, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: I think that making geometries valid with PostGIS or Spatialite is one step too late. Osmium and ogr2ogr and other converters should be able to send already valid geometries into PostGIS, GML, shapefiles and what ever. Perhaps

Re: [OSM-dev] help.osm.org - platform migration research

2012-10-15 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi again, I think I have finished the research[1] before today's EWG meeting. I have focused on Shapado since it looks most promising and has a great i18n support. Migration effort would be large but in exchange we would get a truly international QA platform. [1]

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] help.osm.org - platform migration research

2012-10-15 Thread Matt Williams
On 15 October 2012 09:43, Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi again, I think I have finished the research[1] before today's EWG meeting. I have focused on Shapado since it looks most promising and has a great i18n support. Migration effort would be large but in exchange we would get

Re: [OSM-dev] multipolygon relation and non-closed ways

2012-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/10/15 Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi: Perhaps examples B and F could also contain at least two ways? If there is only one way, why to make a multipolygon relation at all? there can be reasons. E.g. you want to distinguish linear features from areas. The way could be tagged

Re: [OSM-dev] Fwd: Streaming Replication

2012-10-15 Thread Matt Amos
On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 22:39 +1100, Brett Henderson wrote: The timestamp columns in the database are set to timestamp without time zone which presumably means the timezones of dates aren't automatically converted to the correct timezone upon querying. I'm a bit confused though because I

Re: [OSM-dev] multipolygon relation and non-closed ways

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
hi, Perhaps a useless idea from my side. I would also like to hire you for an hour or two for quick reading some other OGC specifications for me. I'm far from an expert for that ;-) Perhaps you mean that the OSM wiki page I've created should be made more explicit for developers (or another

Re: [OSM-dev] multipolygon relation and non-closed ways

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
And something else: Somebody recently started a collection of mp testcases and put it in a github repository. I forgot where that was but maybe somebody can dig that up and join in that work. That would be interesting to include this to my wiki page to display real example cases in the

Re: [OSM-dev] History statistics

2012-10-15 Thread Ab_fab
I think the memory problems occured during the osm-history-importer [1] process Some people were successfull in building the database for limited areas, but France is extract is huge in comparison. Is there a way to limit RAM usage for such large files during import ? [1]

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On vendredi 12 octobre 2012, Tom MacWright wrote: Hey all (or, well, those subscribed to dev@ - my flamewar shields are at 50% so I'm not risking an email to talk), This only is my opinion, but wishlists shouldn't be reduced to those subscribed to dev@ Maybe start on dev, but I think a wiki

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Tom MacWright
Hey Sly, This only is my opinion, but wishlists shouldn't be reduced to those subscribed to dev@ Maybe start on dev, but I think a wiki page should better be suited for a summary of the ~3/5 tasks to focus on. Yes and no. Everything is a trade between being totally open (announce it on IRC and

Re: [OSM-dev] multipolygon relation and non-closed ways

2012-10-15 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/10/15 Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi: Perhaps examples B and F could also contain at least two ways? If there is only one way, why to make a multipolygon relation at all? there can be reasons. E.g. you want to distinguish linear features from

Re: [OSM-dev] multipolygon relation and non-closed ways

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
I guess it is pretty expensive to do topology checks in the main OSM database triggered automatically every time when relations are saved. I think this is the best way to do it, don't allow crap in the db so that you don't have to correct it later. But it might be unreasonable for

Re: [OSM-dev] multipolygon relation and non-closed ways

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On lundi 15 octobre 2012, Pedro Larroy wrote: I don't see why editing and refining a page is bad. Because in this case, this page is the documentation of how to do things in the OSM db, and if by refining you mean changing the way to do things, then people will map according to what they've

Re: [OSM-dev] multipolygon relation and non-closed ways

2012-10-15 Thread ikonor
And something else: Somebody recently started a collection of mp testcases and put it in a github repository. I forgot where that was but maybe somebody can dig that up and join in that work. That would be interesting to include this to my wiki page to display real example cases in the .osm

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On lundi 15 octobre 2012, Tom MacWright wrote: Hey Sly, Hi tom, Yes and no. Everything is a trade between being totally open (announce it on IRC and see what the crowd thinks!) and being totally productive (hole up and just do it until you're done and then realize it's duplicated effort).

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Paweł Paprota
top ten tasks is These are the Top Ten Tasks that the OSM System Administrators What about the community ? This only is a todo list by the admins, for the admins coded by the admins. So far so good, but that's not a wishlist, or, at least, not a wishlist of the community.

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 18:13 +0200, Paweł Paprota wrote: top ten tasks is These are the Top Ten Tasks that the OSM System Administrators What about the community ? This only is a todo list by the admins, for the admins coded by the admins. So far so good, but that's not a wishlist,

Re: [OSM-dev] multipolygon relation and non-closed ways

2012-10-15 Thread Cartinus
Since he was just trying to clarify the current rules not change them, that obviously doesn't apply. That is also why Willi's reaction is so overblown. On 10/15/2012 05:29 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: On lundi 15 octobre 2012, Pedro Larroy wrote: I don't see why editing and refining a page

[OSM-dev] Osmosis bug with --write-pgsql task

2012-10-15 Thread Michal Migurski
Hello, I've encountered an error with Osmosis and writing to the snapshot schema that might be a bug. I am attempting to add a new extract to an existing database, and seeing an error where a new index is trying to be created. At this phase, I don't believe Osmosis should be attempting to

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Tom MacWright
I'd love to get back to the topic of what's next. At least my at-the-moment thought for why dev@ has been more efficient than the mailing list is something pretty simple: when people post on here with some bit of knowledge - like saying that something is already implemented, or that there are

[OSM-dev] Notes - OSM improvements BoF at SOTM PDX

2012-10-15 Thread Alex Barth
Hello everyone - Here are my (slightly edited) notes from the Birds of a Feather session on the Knight grant and OSM improvements we had at PDX. Much of what's been mentioned meshes closely with the OSM Wishlist thread [1]. Please fill in / expand / contest where you see fit. Just like the

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 18:13:34, Paweł Paprota a écrit : - people who do the actual programming work choose what they want to work on. I think this is a little different here (this thread) than usually is (even with what usually happen with OSM core development) Tom started this thread

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Tom MacWright
Hey Sly, The simple answer is that MapBox (including myself) is finding ways to improve OpenStreetMap. Some of these are pretty obvious (design!), and some of them require a very high level of knowledge (API changes). By posting here, I'm trying to get a good idea of what exists, what experts

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM API Improvements work

2012-10-15 Thread Stefan Keller
Hi Jochen 2012/10/14 Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 03:59:59AM +0200, Stefan Keller wrote: @Jochen: taginfo is a very valuable service which I use regularly. But it seems to me that taginfo is rather a browsing tool and has not been designed to return key-value

Re: [OSM-dev] Notes - OSM improvements BoF at SOTM PDX

2012-10-15 Thread Tom Hughes
On 15/10/12 23:40, Alex Barth wrote: - Translations are a frequent bottleneck for copy changes, unclear how to solve this. I'm not sure why you think this, but I can only think it is because you are overthinking the issue and aiming for a level of perfection that we are never likely to

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
the page says: These are the Top Ten Tasks that the OSM System Administrators would really like your development help on. so i think it's unfair to say it's a list by the admins, for the admins. I admit I was unfair. I shortcuted it too much. But still, that's a list by the admins. But I

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Alex Barth
Hey sly - I'm very interested in people weighing in on a wishlist thread like that because it's super useful for understanding the problem space around improving OSM in the areas editors, social experience, data export better. In the end of the day, just like you or anyone else Tom and I and

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Hi, That said, let's talk less about talking and your personal suspicions and more about actual substance; Is that substance : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.7 ? aka un-derail this thread. Got it, sorry. -- sly (sylvain letuffe) ___

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Alex Barth
On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:40 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe) li...@letuffe.org wrote: Hi, That said, let's talk less about talking and your personal suspicions and more about actual substance; Is that substance : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.7 I'd say it is! ? aka un-derail this

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Tom Hughes
On 16/10/12 00:40, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: That said, let's talk less about talking and your personal suspicions and more about actual substance; Is that substance : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.7 ? Well the problem with that page is that there are a huge number of things

Re: [OSM-dev] Notes - OSM improvements BoF at SOTM PDX

2012-10-15 Thread Cartinus
On 10/16/2012 02:32 AM, Dane Springmeyer wrote: On Oct 15, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: One of the problems here is that the person that leads this effort is primarily a cartographer rather than a developer, and is also on Windows which tends to lead to various technology issues.

Re: [OSM-dev] Notes - OSM improvements BoF at SOTM PDX

2012-10-15 Thread John Firebaugh
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Exporting raw data was never the primary purpose of the export tab - it was really added to address the constant request for the ability to export images of an area. The data export things was something I threw in because I

Re: [OSM-dev] Notes - OSM improvements BoF at SOTM PDX

2012-10-15 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: ## Getting data out of osm.org - Starting from osm.org it could be more straightforward to find proper download options - Export tab on osm.org is one of the most popular locations, but needs a lot of improvement. E.g. it

Re: [OSM-dev] Notes - OSM improvements BoF at SOTM PDX

2012-10-15 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everyone - ## Getting data out of osm.org - Export tab on osm.org is one of the most popular locations, but needs a lot of improvement. E.g. it does not explain how the downloaded data can be used. How can export be more actionable? - if an export fails due to its size, it's not