Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-12-08 Thread Paul Norman via dev
As Mapbox GL has been un-open sourced, I'm putting this project on hold until I figure out a suitable rendering engine. See https://github.com/pnorman/openstreetmap-cartographic/issues/7 On 2020-05-24 5:34 p.m., Paul Norman via dev wrote: I've been working on a new project, OpenStreetMap Carto

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-07-16 Thread Sandor Seres
    Not sure I understand enough well the many technologies you want to mix here, especially the essential once like tilekiln, vectortiles, CartoCSS stylesheet … where you are the author/maintainer and where “… not provided a project description”. Yet, I do understand, you intend to develop

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-07-15 Thread Sandor Seres
Not sure I understand enough well the many technologies you want to mix here, especially the essential once like tilekiln, vectortiles, CartoCSS stylesheet … where you are the author/maintainer and where “… not provided a project description”. Yet, I do understand, you intend to develop a vector ti

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-06-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via dev
I just wanted to thank you for working on this. (Sadly I have no useful comments, hopefully such message is ok) 11 Jun 2020, 05:32 by dev@openstreetmap.org: > I've been busy with > > On 2020-05-24 10:26 p.m., Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > >> Thank you for making this, it looks like a lot of work! >>

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-06-11 Thread Stefan Ziegler
Hello, > On 2020-05-24 10:26 p.m., Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Thank you for making this, it looks like a lot of work! > > > > These client-side vector tiles at z8? > > (https://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/cartographic/mapbox-gl.html) > > > > I turned on Content-Encoding based compression whic

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-06-10 Thread Paul Norman via dev
I've been busy with On 2020-05-24 10:26 p.m., Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Thank you for making this, it looks like a lot of work! These client-side vector tiles at z8? (https://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/cartographic/mapbox-gl.html) My laptop (2015 Macbook Pro, 16 GB RAM, 2.2 GHz Intel Core i

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-26 Thread Tom Browder
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 19:37 Paul Norman via dev wrote: ... out. Mapbox GL styles are written in JSON and most of the tools > overwrite any formatting. This means there's no way to add comments to Have you investigated HJSON? See: https://hjson.github.io/ The Raku language (https://raku.or

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 26 May 2020, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: > > Rasterization is a data generalization technique too. No it isn't. Generalization is the most frequently abused term in cartography. Calling ST_Simplify and way_area filtering on OSM landcover polygon data generalization is a bit like cal

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-26 Thread ndrw6
On 26/05/2020 13:26, Christoph Hormann wrote: As Joseph has hinted when it comes to accurate rendering for precise mapper feedback without unintentional incentives at the lower zoom levels there are other options based on pre-rasterizing the data which would still allow using the benefits of clie

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 26 May 2020, Tom Hughes via dev wrote: > More specifically what you are seeing is that it will let you zoom in > beyond zoom 8 but you are seeing data that was simplified on the > basis that it would be shown at zoom 8 where those artefacts would > not be visible. As said that is not qu

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-26 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2020-05-26 10:59, Simon Poole wrote: I think you are missing "Only zoom 0 to 8 has been implemented so far. I started at zoom 0 and am working my way down." Oh zoom 8 is way further out than I was, my bad. The simplifications are not visible at that zoomlevel. Maarten Simon Am 26.05

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-26 Thread Tom Hughes via dev
More specifically what you are seeing is that it will let you zoom in beyond zoom 8 but you are seeing data that was simplified on the basis that it would be shown at zoom 8 where those artefacts would not be visible. Tom On 26/05/2020 09:59, Simon Poole wrote: I think you are missing "Only zo

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-26 Thread Simon Poole
I think you are missing "Only zoom 0 to 8 has been implemented so far. I started at zoom 0 and am working my way down." Simon Am 26.05.2020 um 10:42 schrieb Maarten Deen: > On 2020-05-26 10:15, Paul Norman via dev wrote: >> On 2020-05-25 1:15 a.m., Maarten Deen wrote: >>> Still, it looks to be a

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-26 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2020-05-26 10:15, Paul Norman via dev wrote: On 2020-05-25 1:15 a.m., Maarten Deen wrote: Still, it looks to be a very simplified subset of the complete data. So I'd be interested to see how this works on a full dataset. No, it has the full data except for admin boundaries and bay/straight

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-26 Thread Paul Norman via dev
On 2020-05-25 1:15 a.m., Maarten Deen wrote: Still, it looks to be a very simplified subset of the complete data. So I'd be interested to see how this works on a full dataset. No, it has the full data except for admin boundaries and bay/straight names on zoom 7 and 8. When you compare it to Op

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-25 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2020-05-26 06:24, Yves wrote: Le 26 mai 2020 03:58:50 GMT+02:00, Paul Norman via dev a écrit : Performance with normal basemaps and small stylesheets should be acceptable. Reading this, I don't think I understand. However it makes me think of a raster basemap plus a vector overlay for lab

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It seems like the biggest problem with the vector rendering, for performance and cartography, is rendering areas such as water and landcover, while the big benefit is with text labels, SVG icons, and linear features. Is it possible to continue rendering the landcover and water areas from a pre-ren

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-25 Thread Yves
Le 26 mai 2020 03:58:50 GMT+02:00, Paul Norman via dev a écrit : >Performance with normal basemaps and small stylesheets should be >acceptable. Reading this, I don't think I understand. However it makes me think of a raster basemap plus a vector overlay for labels to solve internationalizat

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-25 Thread Paul Norman via dev
On 2020-05-25 9:25 a.m., Jason Remillard wrote: Hi Paul, The Mapbox GL styles are very low level, and are like the mapnik XML input files. The Mapbox GL editing tools available don't seem to provide abstractions over the underlying specification. Yes, the specification and tools are quite cl

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-25 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi Paul, The Mapbox GL styles are very low level, and are like the mapnik XML input files. The Mapbox GL editing tools available don't seem to provide abstractions over the underlying specification. Also, rewriting from scratch the main OpenStreetMap Carto style sheet is not appealing. There has

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-25 Thread ndrw6
On 25/05/2020 01:34, Paul Norman via dev wrote: Landuse, vegetation, and other natural features are not rendered until zoom 7. This is the scale of OpenStreetMap Carto zoom 8, and these features first appear at zoom 5. There are numerous problems with unprocessed OpenStreetMap data at these scal

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 25 May 2020, Paul Norman via dev wrote: > https://github.com/pnorman/openstreetmap-cartographic. In general this looks like a good approach to evaluate where the practical issues are without being bogged down by bloated legacy tools (well - except for the client side of course). > Lan

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-25 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2020-05-25 09:59, Paul Norman via dev wrote: On 2020-05-24 10:26 p.m., Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Thank you for making this, it looks like a lot of work! These client-side vector tiles at z8? (https://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/cartographic/mapbox-gl.html) My laptop (2015 Macbook Pro, 16

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-25 Thread Paul Norman via dev
On 2020-05-24 10:26 p.m., Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Thank you for making this, it looks like a lot of work! These client-side vector tiles at z8? (https://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/cartographic/mapbox-gl.html) My laptop (2015 Macbook Pro, 16 GB RAM, 2.2 GHz Intel Core i7) appears to use so

Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thank you for making this, it looks like a lot of work! These client-side vector tiles at z8? ( https://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/cartographic/mapbox-gl.html) My laptop (2015 Macbook Pro, 16 GB RAM, 2.2 GHz Intel Core i7) appears to use some effort to show areas with a large amount of data, F

[OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Cartographic: A client-side rendered OpenStreetMap Carto

2020-05-24 Thread Paul Norman via dev
I've been working on a new project, OpenStreetMap Cartographic. This is a client-side rendering based on OpenStreetMap Carto. This is an ambitious project, as OpenStreetMap Carto is an extremely complex style which shows a large number of features. The technical choices I'm making are designed so