[dev] suckless hackathon on IRC

2017-09-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, all attendees should join #slcon4 @ irc.oftc.net BR, Anselm

Re: [dev] Some suckless hackathon 2017 preparation

2017-09-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Michael, On 1 September 2017 at 19:55, Michael Forney wrote: > I hope the wayland-related work at the hackathon won't just be > duplicates of my efforts. We will make sure to avoid duplicate efforts. BR, Anselm

Re: [dev] suckless.org TLS / HTTPS support

2017-09-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 September 2017 at 17:05, Janne Heß wrote: > If you set the HSTS header for HTTPS connections, people will > automtically redirected to HTTPS if they visited once. > This would give an improved security because browsers would > automatically redirect to HTTPS while you could still telnet/curl

Re: [dev] suckless.org TLS / HTTPS support

2017-09-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 September 2017 at 10:33, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > Having given this a lot of thought over the last few days, I think > going with the redirect is the proper approach. The redirect is infantalizing the visitor. If I open a http:// URL I'm aware of the implications. Please end this discussion.

Re: [dev] suckless.org TLS / HTTPS support

2017-09-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 September 2017 at 10:15, ilf wrote: > No, I am serious. Users, who think HTTPS sucks, shouldn't use HTTP euther, > because that sucks, too. The choice shouldn't be HTTPS or HTTP, but HTTPS or > Gopher. But please let HTTP die. Gopher is long dead, only some retro-enthusiasts are running goph

Re: [dev] suckless compromised?

2017-09-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 September 2017 at 13:14, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > "The suckless.org project is now hosted on a new server. All inactive > accounts have been removed during the relocation. > > Please note that the new ECDSA key fingerprint is > SHA256:7DBXcYScmsxbv7rMJUJoJsY5peOrngD4QagiXX6MiQU." Old

Re: [dev] suckless.org TLS / HTTPS support

2017-09-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 31 August 2017 at 21:10, ilf wrote: > hiro: >> >> this is not about just whether something has TLS support, this is about >> giving the user choices. > > > If you can't speak TLS, then use gopher instead of HTTP. I hear HTTPS sucks, > too. Come on, isn't this a contradiction to your always red

Re: [dev] suckless.org TLS / HTTPS support

2017-08-31 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 31 August 2017 at 15:36, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote: > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 03:07:11PM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> well ;)), but I'm also a sceptic of HSTS. > > Can you explain why you are a sceptic of HSTS? I'm sceptic of using HSTS on suckless.org. I think it

Re: [dev] suckless.org TLS / HTTPS support

2017-08-31 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 31 August 2017 at 14:45, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > Now we have something much worse: letsencrypt and this completely > insecure http redirection snake-oil. > > With letsencrypt you now have to put extra work (can't keep track of > all the individual subdomains either, wildcards are sudden

Re: [dev] Opinions on GNU stow

2017-08-31 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 31 August 2017 at 09:33, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > The reason symlinks are still being used is that unions on linux are > an even bigger, unstable piece of shit. The tinycorelinux people tried > them out for their package system and had to give up and use the > "hack" instead. See my oth

Re: [dev] suckless.org TLS / HTTPS support

2017-08-31 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Hiltjo, On 30 August 2017 at 23:06, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote: > suckless.org now supports TLS using LetsEncrypt. Cloning git repos over HTTPS > works now. Some links on the page have been changed to allow both HTTP and > HTTPS. > > HSTS is not fully working yet. This will be fixed. > > The IPv6 A

Re: [dev] Opinions on GNU stow

2017-08-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, On 30 August 2017 at 01:39, fao_ wrote: > Rather, I am asking your opinions on the general concept and > how it has been implemented. Specifically, the idea of installing > under a 'package' directory, and symlinking from there to the > proper install location. But anything about the ge

Re: [dev] less(1) replacement?

2017-08-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 29 August 2017 at 12:10, wrote: > following conditions: In no way a core functionality of the user level > application should be implemented in the "interpreted" language; In no way the > SDK of the user application must force the availability of the "interpreted" > language to be compiled or

Re: [dev] dl.suckless.org file integrity github project

2017-08-28 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 28 August 2017 at 19:25, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > wow, so much development going on in suckless these days. > i congratulate everybody involved in the lack of any shitty code > written. thanks. (and i am serious). Go ahead. I'm serious as well. -Anselm

Re: [dev] less(1) replacement?

2017-08-27 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 27 August 2017 at 19:29, isabella parakiss wrote: > did you know that ksh93 supports Nobody suggested that bourne level is equal to ksh93. BR, Anselm

Re: [dev] announcing edit-pipe

2017-08-27 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 27 August 2017 at 20:16, Greg Reagle wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017, at 13:48, Thomas Levine wrote: >> * mktemp is not portable; you could use something like the date and >> process identifier ($$) to create a portable temporary file. >> (I am actually still curious as to whether there is a

Re: [dev] dl.suckless.org file integrity github project

2017-08-27 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 27 August 2017 at 00:19, Mattias Andrée wrote: > The user's must be able to find the appropriate keys some way the first > time, so suckless must at least have links to them. If suckless is > compromised these can be replaced. PGP keys only ensure that future > keys are not fraudulent as all ne

Re: [dev] dl.suckless.org file integrity github project

2017-08-27 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 26 August 2017 at 21:08, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:54:41 +0200 > Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> Either that, or perhaps we can reinstate the old fashion of >> suckless.org/~user/ homedir. > > I gave it a bit more thought and realized that putting the

Re: [dev] less(1) replacement?

2017-08-27 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 26 August 2017 at 23:59, isabella parakiss wrote: > On 8/26/17, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> On 26 August 2017 at 13:05, isabella parakiss wrote: >>> i wrote a simple pager in ~100 lines >>> https://github.com/izabera/bashutils/blob/master/pager >>> >

Re: [dev] less(1) replacement?

2017-08-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 August 2017 at 21:37, fao_ wrote: > On 2017-08-24 1:50 pm, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> 9base is not intended for interactive use, so no, p does not really >> belong into 9base. 9base is intended to be a scripting environment. > > Excuse me if this is a stupid ques

Re: [dev] less(1) replacement?

2017-08-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 26 August 2017 at 13:05, isabella parakiss wrote: > i wrote a simple pager in ~100 lines > https://github.com/izabera/bashutils/blob/master/pager > > inb4 it sucks because it's bash code Tbh, it looks hideous. Why on earth are you using bash? -Anselm

Re: [dev] [9base] [musl] "Undefined reference to sigsetjmp"

2017-08-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 August 2017 at 22:17, fao_ wrote: > When compiling 9base with > >> CC=musl-gcc >> PREFIX="" >> OBJTYPE=x86_64 > > > I get the error: > >> ../lib9/lib9.a(notify.o): In function `signotify`: >> notify.c:(.text+0x9a): undefined reference to `sigsetjmp` >> collect2: error: ld returned 1 ex

Re: [dev] dl.suckless.org file integrity github project

2017-08-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 August 2017 at 12:56, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 08:12:12 +0200 > Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> - (optional) repo owners/maintainers should sign their future git tags >> for release creation by using their own private PGP key. > > the public PGP-keys co

Re: [dev] dl.suckless.org file integrity github project

2017-08-24 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, let me summarise what we will carry out during the upcoming hackathon besides a load of other stuff: - (mandatory) introduction of HTTPS besides http support - (mandatory) sorting the maintainership/ownership of suckless repos (incl. the right to commit/accept/deny patch contributions)

Re: [dev] less(1) replacement?

2017-08-24 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 24 August 2017 at 13:33, Greg Reagle wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017, at 05:01, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> On 24 August 2017 at 01:59, fao_ wrote: >> > Is the suckless project packing a replacement to my favorite pager, >> > less(1)? Or is the advice to just use somet

Re: [dev] less(1) replacement?

2017-08-24 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 24 August 2017 at 01:59, fao_ wrote: > Is the suckless project packing a replacement to my favorite pager, > less(1)? Or is the advice to just use something like screen or tmux. I > don't really want to bother installing and learning those when `less` meets > my needs perfectly. > > As far as I

Re: [dev] dl.suckless.org file integrity github project

2017-08-23 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 24 August 2017 at 00:45, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > Any responsible suckless person should not download Aaron's software. > I cannot guarantee it's not ransomware! > But I also made a github and my checksums and signatures are certified > by the German cybersecurity department of the TüV.

Re: [dev] Moving scc

2017-08-09 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Roberto, On 9 August 2017 at 21:12, Roberto E. Vargas wrote: > A lot of different things happened since that moment, some of > them in my life, and some of them in the suckless community. > Due to these changes, I don't feel scc as a suckless project > anymore, and as project founder, main con

Re: [dev][dwm]size of dwm root window and framebuffer

2017-08-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Kajetan, On 8 August 2017 at 12:49, Kajetan Jasztal wrote: > my laptop's screen broke lately and I've got about 168px column > on left unusable, this xrandr command seems to work, ie it crops > screen to working area > > xrandr --fb 1432x900 --output eDP1 --auto --transform 1,0,-168,0,1,0,0,0,

Re: [dev] [dwm] Opening some URLs in a web browser crashes dwm

2017-08-06 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Milan, On 6 August 2017 at 16:38, Milán Csaba Kecskés wrote: > I've experienced the bug mentioned in the title. No matter which > browsper - tried with Chromium 60, Firefox 54, Midori, Epiphany, > QupZilla, even Dillo, but all of the browsers crash dwm when opening > these links in them (disab

Re: [dev] [9base] sbrk vs malloc

2017-08-06 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Rendov, On 5 August 2017 at 04:28, Rendov Norra wrote: > I've compiled 9base against musl, and dd spits errors about memory at > me if I try to invoke it. I looked at the source and determined sbrk > wasn't doing what it was supposed to. I don't know if this is to do > with my version of musl,

Re: [dev] [sic] password for nick

2017-08-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 2 August 2017 at 15:28, Malte Kiefer wrote: > Ok I fix it. > It was a Server Error. > Then I try freenode it works. > But when I want to enter my Password here: > > /msg NickServ identify PASSWORD RTFM (sic.1), sic uses :m as shorthand for the IRC PRIVMSG command. Laslo did point already out

Re: [dev] [st, dmenu] Crash when attempting to display characters with missing glyphs

2017-07-27 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi, On 28 July 2017 at 07:44, B. Wilson wrote: > I use mutt and happened to receive an email that caused st to crash. It > turned out that the email contained a unicode emoji character for which I > didn't have a suitable font. > > The character in question was U+1F917. I was able to reproduce

Re: [dev] [ANN] samurai: ninja-compatible build tool

2017-07-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 26 July 2017 at 18:32, Michael Forney wrote: > On 7/26/17, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> Out of curiosity, what is the point of a build system like ninja, if >> the codebase requires to be complex? > [..] > In oasis I'm using ninja like you're use stali.mk in

Re: [dev] lightweight build system

2017-07-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 26 July 2017 at 03:28, ochern wrote: > That's right. No new build system is suggested. > > Let me suggest a small poll: > 1 What build systems do you consider as most suckless? Plain mkfiles + rc or plain Makefile's + sh and sbase-compliant command usage. > 2 Generating Makefile from a shell

Re: [dev] Some suckless hackathon 2017 preparation

2017-07-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 July 2017 at 11:59, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 22:13:36 -0500 > Joshua Haase wrote: >> I do think a good issue tracker is needed and would be willing to >> contribute on september 2-3 (although maybe in a different time zone: >> [UTC-6]). >> >> As for useless bug reports, a

Re: [dev] [ANN] samurai: ninja-compatible build tool

2017-07-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 26 July 2017 at 09:05, Silvan Jegen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Michael Forney wrote: >> On 7/25/17, Silvan Jegen wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Michael Forney Even if you don't care for ninja, it does seem to be gaining popularity, and I've noticed sever

Re: [dev] Some suckless hackathon 2017 preparation

2017-07-23 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, thanks for your suggestion to prepare the content we could work on during slackathon 2017. Let me chime in with some thoughts: First of all -- for all of you who can't attend slackathon in person, but still would like to support the outcome somehow, I encourage you to adjust your sched

Re: [dev] lightweight build system

2017-07-23 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Alex, On 23 July 2017 at 09:47, ochern wrote: > I'm new here and I want to ask if somebody is interested in discussing > a development of lightweight build system based on simple Shell and > Make. It would be great to hear the opinions from the community and > may be there would rise a common

Re: [dev] [proposal] suckless-nettools

2017-07-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Daniel, On 6 July 2017 at 18:21, Daniel Hammond wrote: > https://github.com/rdhammond/suckless-nettools I guess many people have created similar things, perhaps less generic ones. Since suspend/resume works pretty well in Linux I didn't come across the need to hack helper scripts, but just to

Re: [dev] [question] gobo linux filesystem hierarchy

2017-07-05 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 5 July 2017 at 11:37, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > Package managers, or self-contained apps, they solve all of these > problems once and for everyone. 'make whatever' has to solve each corner > case again and again. Or in other words, executable code makes for a > very poor metadata format. It d

Re: [dev] [question] gobo linux filesystem hierarchy

2017-07-04 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Kajetan, On 4 July 2017 at 14:23, Kajetan Jasztal wrote: > What do you think can be the downsides of filesystem hierarchy of > Gobo Linux[0]? STALI[1] was attempting to modify default hierarchy > after all. I personaly think it's clear, evident (only problem I have > is hiding symlinks in /) a

Re: Suckless monitoring [was Re: [dev] git://git.suckless.org not accepting connections]

2017-07-04 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Kamil, On 4 July 2017 at 14:32, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> I've used my own for almost a decade: http://monitor.garbe.us/ >> It checkes the services every 20 minutes and sends me a mail if some >> service goes offline.

Re: Suckless monitoring [was Re: [dev] git://git.suckless.org not accepting connections]

2017-07-04 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi, On 4 July 2017 at 11:31, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> On 4 July 2017 at 00:36, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> On 4 July 2017 at 00:06, Michael Forney wrote: >>>> I noticed that git.suckless.org is no longer accepting

Re: [dev] git://git.suckless.org not accepting connections

2017-07-03 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 4 July 2017 at 00:36, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > On 4 July 2017 at 00:06, Michael Forney wrote: >> I noticed that git.suckless.org is no longer accepting connections >> with the git protocol. HTTP still works though. >> >> Just pointing that out in case it wasn'

Re: [dev] git://git.suckless.org not accepting connections

2017-07-03 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Michael, On 4 July 2017 at 00:06, Michael Forney wrote: > I noticed that git.suckless.org is no longer accepting connections > with the git protocol. HTTP still works though. > > Just pointing that out in case it wasn't a deliberate change. Nice spot, wasn't deliberate and is caused by the se

[dev] Re: [slcon4] hackathon

2017-06-09 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi fellow hackers, friendly reminder that we are approaching the deadline for slcon4 hackathon registration. Anyone who hasn't registered yet should be quick to do so until ***15 June 2017*** Thanks, Anselm On 13 May 2017 at 21:38, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Dear fellow hackers, &g

Re: [dev] [dwm] My patch

2017-06-04 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Kristaps, On 3 June 2017 at 18:49, Kristaps Civkulis wrote: > Recently I sent a patch http://lists.suckless.org/hackers/1706/15108.html > and didn't get any response. Is there something wrong with my patch or > patch/email format? Others have pointed this out already -- barely anyone can be b

Re: [dev] [dwm] twin-head displays as single tags / workspaces

2017-05-19 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Kuba, On 19 May 2017 at 17:31, Kuba wrote: > Would it be possible to have to have a setup with 2 monitors where > both are managed as a single tag? > That would create "dual head workspaces" - I work on many projects at > the same time and each project needs many windows - perfect for dual > h

[dev] [slcon4] hackathon

2017-05-13 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Dear fellow hackers, We are glad to announce the slcon4 hackathon[0] event on 2-3 Sep 2017 in Würzburg, Germany. In contrast to previous years we won't conduct regular talk sessions this year and hence are not(!) calling for talk proposals. Instead we want to be able to spend as much time as pos

Re: [dev] Is git daemon at git.suckless.org down?

2017-04-28 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Silvan, On 25 April 2017 at 19:08, Silvan Jegen wrote: > The git daemon at git.suckless.org seems to be down for me. > > st$ git pull > fatal: unable to connect to git.suckless.org: > git.suckless.org[0: 78.47.162.114]: errno=Connection refused This happened from time to time and things shoul

Re: [dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing terminal

2017-03-28 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 27 March 2017 at 23:52, Alexander Krotov wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:00:43PM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> nevertheless I do think that all this still doesn't justify a >> scrollback buffer built into st itself. Instead of mandating the use >> of tmux e

Re: [dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing terminal

2017-03-27 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, On 27 March 2017 at 12:11, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 20:06:57 + > Cág wrote: >> I am genuinely interested why. > in my opinion, it's an unnecessary component given I use terminals > within dwm 99% of the time. I don't need a terminal multiplexer when > dwm multiple

Re: [dev] Can't push to sta.li wiki

2017-02-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Alex, please try again. Thanks, Anselm On 26 February 2017 at 16:02, Alexander Krotov wrote: > Got connection refused over git protocol: > > $ git clone git://git.sta.li/sites > Cloning into 'sites'... > fatal: unable to connect to git.sta.li: > git.sta.li[0: 136.243.92.79]: errno=Connection

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 26 October 2016 at 02:05, wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:53:36PM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> To bring it to one sentence, Apple is about providing their stuff as >> incompatible as possible with all non-Apple stuff. […] proceeds with >> the keyboard layout

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 October 2016 at 13:34, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > what are the really compelling reasons for a Mac user to make the > switch to Linux/BSD? How can we convince people to make the switch? The only reason for an experienced Mac user doing the switch is, because he wants to gain more control over h

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 23 October 2016 at 23:44, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > "People who are really serious about software should make their > own hardware." > > And this approach works: Macs are reliable and used to be very reliable > machines, as already pointed out in this thread IBM found that out as

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-22 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Luk, On 21 October 2016 at 21:54, lukáš Hozda wrote: > I am not very familiar with the usage of mailing lists and unsure > whether this is the right place to post this request, but just like > the title says, I am collecting the sins of Apple. I will be having a > speech/presentation on proble

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-21 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 21 October 2016 at 10:01, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2016, Laslo Hunhold wrote: >> as an off-idea: How are startup-times of stali? Given the power of >> machines today, there should not be many things limiting a startup in >> just a few seconds. Any data on that? > > Oh just try

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-19 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 19 October 2016 at 19:10, stephen Turner wrote: > So i briefly viewed the svc scripts, it appears that you have for the > most part recreated daemon-tools in script form? Are you talking about svc? Actually I did not create them and never understood the need for them My take is to keep everyt

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-19 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 18 October 2016 at 19:31, Bruno Vetter wrote: > thanks for all the support so far. > How would one connect to wifi in stali? For me, installing libnl-tiny and > wpa_supplicant works, but I'd be interested to hear if/how this is meant to > be achieved in a stali way. ip and sdhcp are already

Re: [dev] [stali] Why lksh?

2016-10-09 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Bruno, On 9 October 2016 at 10:06, Bruno Vetter wrote: > i'm curious why you have chosen lksh as the stali shell. The manpage says: Looks like a man page fault to me, probably lksh.1 is copied over sh.1. The binary should be definitely mksh. Cheers, Anselm

Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 7 October 2016 at 16:24, Bruno Vetter wrote: > yes, it's tedious and I understand that it's not crucial to have the > toolchain statically linked. Trying to do so also brings up a lot of > questions that I cannot answer easily. For example a statically linked linker > apparently does not sup

Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 7 October 2016 at 12:27, Cág wrote: > Anselm R Garbe wrote: > >> It is pretty easy. Use the toolchain as is and copy some glibc based >> .so's for x86_64 to /crap/lib on the stali target as well. > > But it will not be statically linked then, as OP asked for.

Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Bruno, On 3 October 2016 at 20:30, Bruno Vetter wrote: > > I would like to experiment with stali and install built-from-source > applications on top of the base installation. For this I need a musl based > toolchain not for cross-compiling, but as part of my stali system. Can > someone give

Re: [dev] I'm leaving.

2016-09-28 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Dear 20h, On 28 September 2016 at 15:12, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > I am stepping back from my maintainership and my role as an admin of > suckless. All main projects I maintained have at least one maintainer > left, so don’t be worried. I wanted to say many thanks to you o

Re: [dev] containers opinion

2016-09-23 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 23 September 2016 at 19:19, stephen Turner wrote: > whats the suckless view of containers and why? what about a Containers are an indicator of conceptual decay. Application developer code has now become infrastructure and is due to the juniority far away from any half-standardized protocols. I

[dev] [slcon3] schedule update

2016-09-23 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, please note the updated schedule[0], especially the dinner location[1] for tonight. http://suckless.org/conference http://www.derwaldgeist.de Best regards, Anselm

Re: [dev] several questions

2016-09-22 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 21 September 2016 at 16:45, Evan Gates wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:02 PM, FRIGN wrote: >> Of course, given there is only one implementation, it is highly >> portable per-se, given the interpretation is equal everywhere and 9base >> is quite easily portable. > > Sadly there are two impl

Re: [dev] several questions

2016-09-20 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 21 September 2016 at 04:04, Greg Reagle wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 04:44 PM, FRIGN wrote: >> Some people would recommend rc (by Plan9), but it's definitely not >> portable > > Would you mind explaining specifically what you mean by "not portable"? > It is my understanding that it works o

Re: [stali] Purpose (was Re: [dev] Re: [stali] updating package source)

2016-09-15 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi FRIGN, On 15 September 2016 at 12:17, FRIGN wrote: >> concentrate on the essence here, this is all a waste of time. > - hiro > > to be fair and meaning no offense to anybody, I think stali in > general is a waste of time. It is too ambitious given the low manpower > and the hypetrain,

Re: [dev] Re: [stali] updating package source

2016-09-15 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Evan, On 15 September 2016 at 01:08, Evan Gates wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Evan Gates wrote: > documentation, I realize I misunderstood submodules, and subtrees are > a better fit. > > For example, using sbase: > > git remote add sbase git://git.suckless.org/sbase > git subtree

Re: [dev] Shell style guide

2016-09-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, On 6 September 2016 at 20:35, Evan Gates wrote: > suckless.org projects have traditionally been small amounts of pure C. > The code tends towards simplicity and correctness. I value this and > have learned much over the past years from reading and contributing to > various projects. > >

Re: [dev] [dwm] Crash when setting window title to a single emoji

2016-08-30 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 30 August 2016 at 13:18, Markus Unterwaditzer wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 08:28:21AM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> [...] >> I wonder if this is a crash at all. It rather looks like a fatal Xlib >> error to me. > > I'm not sure how that doesn't qual

Re: [dev] [dwm] Crash when setting window title to a single emoji

2016-08-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 29 August 2016 at 19:56, Markus Unterwaditzer wrote: > I'm getting crashes with a particular emoji in the window title. Enter the > following in st/termite/xterm/urxvt (without tmux inbetween): > > PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\x1b]0;\xe2\x9b\x93b\x07"' > > dwm's output: > > dwm: fatal err

Re: [dev] Sane office alternative?

2016-08-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 August 2016 at 12:51, Kevin Michael Frick wrote: > what do you use to communicate with the part of the world (a majority, > unfortunately) who uses suckish formats such as .doc(x), .od[tspg] or > whatever? If Office is bloated, LibreOffice ain't slim, and people > keep sending me word docume

Re: [dev] Bug in toolchain (based on gcc4.9.2)

2016-08-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, On 25 August 2016 at 16:39, Kuniyasu Suzaki wrote: > I confirmed that the current toolchain "x86_64-linux-musl-gcc (gcc4.9.2)" > cannot treat "--coverage" option. Not sure what you mean by "current toolchain". The current toolchain has been updated some days ago to 5.3.0 and is based

[dev] [slcon3] preliminary schedule and registration deadline

2016-08-23 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, I'm glad to announce the preliminary slcon3 schedule[0]. We have accepted all proposals. Please also note to register your attendance now (even if you are not a presenter but plan to attend) until: *2016-09-01* by sending me a mail to ans...@garbe.us All presenters don't need to regis

Re: [dev] [dwm] compile error

2016-08-21 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, On 21 August 2016 at 18:19, Orka Edison wrote: > [sudo] password for Orka: > cleaning > dwm build options: > CFLAGS = -std=c99 -pedantic -Wall -Wno-deprecated-declarations -Os > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -D_BSD_SOURCE > -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=2 -DVERSION="6.1" -DX

[dev] Re: [slcon3] Call for papers

2016-08-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
room booking at the venue announced in our wiki, if you like. Thanks and best regards, Anselm On 20 July 2016 at 08:17, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > UPDATE slcon3 > > Unfortunately we did not receive too many proposals yet, though I > checked with a bunch of fellows that they intend to d

Re: [dev] [sxiv] Discussion

2016-08-15 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, On 9 August 2016 at 10:17, FRIGN wrote: > don't take it personally, Bert, but I don't think your project sxiv[0] > belongs to the suckless git-repository. > Not only is it licensed with the GPLv2, which is despicable in itself, > but the code doesn't even look suckless to me and there a

Re: [stali] scope (was: Re: [dev] neatroff)

2016-08-11 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 11 August 2016 at 11:21, FRIGN wrote: [..] > I am sure suckless.org has a lot of street-cred in the OSS-scene. We > could use this leverage to have a positive influence on a big > distribution people actually use. In the long term, making OpenBSD > better will benefit those who are scared of ma

Re: [dev] neatroff

2016-08-11 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 11 August 2016 at 10:10, FRIGN wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:44:45 +0200 > Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> The stali plan has changed for me a bit during the last year. A couple >> of months ago I tried to get stali self-bootstrappable based on just >> src/. I have now g

Re: [dev] neatroff

2016-08-11 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 10 August 2016 at 08:47, Eli Cohen wrote: > What's the plan for stali? I was under the impression it would be a > "suckless distro" with dwm, surf, st... will X11 stuff be in a > different repository? The stali plan has changed for me a bit during the last year. A couple of months ago I tried

Re: [dev] neatroff

2016-08-09 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 10 August 2016 at 03:56, Eli Cohen wrote: > I'm trying to get neatroff compiled in a stali fashion. I've run into > a slight impasse regarding licensing. for typesetting, neatroff uses > ghostscript fonts, which are gpl. (really my goal with all this is > just to display man pages) stali is o

Re: [dev] Never Ending Systemd Chronicles

2016-08-05 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 5 August 2016 at 13:34, Hadrien LACOUR wrote: > On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 08:26:42AM -0300, Marc Collin wrote: >> I got introduced to s6-rc [0] lately. >> Do you guys have any experience with it? >> >> [0] http://skarnet.org/software/s6-rc/ Looks nice. Nevertheless for my refined stali scope si

Re: [dev] Allow secure access to Web site suckless.org

2016-08-03 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi 20h, On 3 August 2016 at 12:18, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > On Wed, 03 Aug 2016 12:18:52 +0200 Paul Menzel wrote: >> I noticed, that it’s currently not possible to securely browse the Web >> site [1]. > > HTTPS is not really secure. Do you really trust any CA? How many CA peo‐ >

Re: [dev] Allow secure access to Web site suckless.org

2016-08-03 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 3 August 2016 at 11:36, Paul Menzel wrote: > I noticed, that it’s currently not possible to securely browse the Web site > [1]. > > Are there plans to allow access using HTTP over SSL? This is on my TODO list for quite some time. Expect it to happen until end of this year. BR, Anselm

[dev] Re: [slcon3] Call for papers

2016-07-19 Thread Anselm R Garbe
reply directly to me, so that we can check how many people will definitely attend the conference[0]. [0] http://suckless.org/conference/ Best regards, Anselm On 3 June 2016 at 08:04, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm glad to start our call for papers for slcon3[0] whic

Re: [dev] [dwm] [PATCH] Configure geometry before applying rules

2016-06-23 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 23 June 2016 at 16:40, Eric Pruitt wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:14:54AM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> Sorry I missed to reply sooner. Please re-create the patch against git >> HEAD so that it cleanly applies and I will apply it. >> Alternatively I can apply it

Re: [dev] [dwm] [PATCH] Configure geometry before applying rules

2016-06-23 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Eric, On 23 June 2016 at 08:09, Eric Pruitt wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 08:37:11AM -0700, Eric Pruitt wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 10:00:16AM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> > If I share the same view tomorrow, I will apply your patch. >> >> Are you

Re: [dev] which versions are dwm patches intended to apply to cleanly?

2016-06-17 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 17 June 2016 at 09:12, Quentin Rameau wrote: >> ---.patch >> Would make: >> st-externalpipe-20160423-ea87104.patch > Should the date remain the creation date while the hash is updated, or > should the date be bumped up too? The date should always be updated, whenever the patch is touched in s

Re: [dev] which versions are dwm patches intended to apply to cleanly?

2016-06-16 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 16 June 2016 at 16:15, FRIGN wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 07:27:58 +0200 > Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> I would suggest to use: --> hash>-.patch > > st-externalpipe-ea87104-160423.patch > Well, fair enough. My final suggestion is then: ---.patch Would make

Re: [dev] which versions are dwm patches intended to apply to cleanly?

2016-06-15 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 15 June 2016 at 19:45, FRIGN wrote: > we also had this discussion already. The point here is: using the date of > the "update" is the best and easiest heuristic. you see with one look > if a git-patch is relatively old or new. I would suggest to use: ---.patch Replacing the "git" portion with

Re: [dev] [dwm] [PATCH] Configure geometry before applying rules

2016-06-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Eric, On 26 May 2016 at 01:57, Eric Pruitt wrote: > Since dwm doesn't expose enough of the X11 properties to use Devil's > Pie, I am using changes inside of applyrules to modify window locations > and geometry. As part of my changes, I needed client geometry properties > to be set before the a

Re: [dev] [slock] [PATCH] Ctrl-u now resets the input

2016-06-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Troy, I'm not sure if this feature is really required. Typing a wrong password can be corrected on second attempt anyways. What is the opinion of other users to this change? BR, Anselm On 5 June 2016 at 23:22, Troy Sankey wrote: > Before this commit, only pressing Escape would reset the inp

[dev] [slcon3] Call for papers

2016-06-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, I'm glad to start our call for papers for slcon3[0] which will be held near Frankfurt (Main), Germany from 23-25 September, 2016. We expect talk proposals between 30-60 minutes each covering either technical or philosophical topics (rants are welcome as well). Each proposal should cont

Re: [dev] [sup] Bring the simple user privilege escalation tool back home?

2016-05-16 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 16 May 2016 at 23:22, Marc André Tanner wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 01:27:40PM +0200, FRIGN wrote: >> I think the vis editor alone is enough bloat in the suckless >> repositories. > > I don't know what vis has to do with the original thread, nonetheless > it would be interesting to know wh

Re: [dev] [dwm] [patch] config.o

2016-05-15 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Connor, On 14 May 2016 at 17:24, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Attached is a dwm patch that pulls out all of the key and button > handlers, and all of the layouts, into a new file called config.c, > replacing config.h. The idea is that it makes it clearer what is dwm > proper and what is just a p

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2016-05-12 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 13 May 2016 at 01:31, Jason Young wrote: > suckless is about *simplicity*. Simplicity != easy to use. Simplicity > means, basically, there's fewer parts to break, and there *being* fewer > parts, it's easier to see *where* it breaks. Unfortunately, the more > "easy to use" you make a piece of s

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