Re: Let's do better

2018-02-15 Thread Matthew Broadhead
i don't even know what argument this discussion relates to but my 2 cents are that email and text are a terrible medium for long term communication and people should regularly have face to face discussions on hangouts or similar.   it is easy to read between the lines of text communications

Re: Let's do better

2018-02-13 Thread Andy Gumbrecht
Totally agree with you Mark. My initial response was polite as usual, I acknowledged my mistake and reverted quickly and explained my intention. Then comes the all too familiar b... slap, another one - Jean-Louis response is the best one, but that also can misfire - "What are you 'f'ing doing

Re: Let's do better

2018-02-13 Thread Mark Struberg
It's our duty as PMC members to review committs. And of course a commit with the comment 'starting a thing which was decided not to be done' should spark EVERYONES curiosity. All the PMC members at TomEE and Geronimo have been aware of the discussions and nobody said anything against putting

Re: Let's do better

2018-02-13 Thread Jean-Louis Monteiro
Morning Mark, I appreciate the feedback, but I disagree. Adding an @Ignore on a test failing does not fix the issue (either the test or the code) Putting a napkin over some c... does not clean it up. This is not the first time it happens, so I'd rather prefer the community to vent, put the

Re: Let's do better

2018-02-13 Thread Mark Struberg
Please all stop putting fuel into the fire. LieGrue, strub > Am 13.02.2018 um 08:48 schrieb Jean-Louis Monteiro : > > Instead of shooting to someone or start arguing. Simply asking would take > all misunderstand off and avoid this disgusting mess. > > Le 13 févr.

Re: Let's do better

2018-02-12 Thread Jean-Louis Monteiro
Instead of shooting to someone or start arguing. Simply asking would take all misunderstand off and avoid this disgusting mess. Le 13 févr. 2018 08:33, "Mark Struberg" a écrit : > +1 words - and especially brief once as emails - are just a mapping from > the reality

Re: Let's do better

2018-02-12 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 words - and especially brief once as emails - are just a mapping from the reality to some 'transport mechanism' (Claude Shannon sender theoreme anyone?). And of course each 'map' is a huge simplification from the reality and thus prone to be misinterpreted. The important part here is that

Re: Let's do better

2018-02-12 Thread dsh
All, I followed what David calls "incidents" or "childish" quite closely in the past. Why? Cause such situations are quite familiar to me. I've been there thousands of times and what I can tell for granted is that non of these situations are neither "incidents" nor "childish". As a matter of

Let's do better

2018-02-12 Thread David Blevins
Ok, community, we have to have another quick talk and then hopefully we can go back to being awesome. This thread got very negative and bares a striking resemblance to the "Suffocating Development Environment" thread from the June 27th incident. Yes, I've written about it enough times in the