Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Gervase Markham
On 09/06/15 23:07, Mark Côté wrote: I would ask, then, what the purpose of the feature is. If we know it isn't used to make decisions, why use it? The only thing I can think of is as a sort of spam honeypot, to get people to not +1 or me too bugs, but this seems strange at best and actively

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Michael Verdi
Here's something to consider. I've seen my friend Jen Simmons encourage people to use voting as a way to tell us that it's important to them for Firefox to support a particular html or css feature. Here's a recent example https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/601184865732534272 - the bug mentioned

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Steve Fink
I agree. While it is certainly true that prioritizing work based on how many noisy people are campaigning for it is not a good idea, I reject the notion that the only useful goal here is to prevent bugspam, as that implies that user input is worthless. me too/+1 comments on bugs are clearly

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Jared Wein
DevTools does something like this with UserVoice. I don't think we should get rid of voting unless we replace it with something else (UserVoice is a good alternative). There are plenty of people that recommend others to vote on bugs that they want prioritized, and us removing voting will make it

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-06-11 2:51 PM, Jared Wein wrote: DevTools does something like this with UserVoice. I don't think we should get rid of voting unless we replace it with something else (UserVoice is a good alternative). There are plenty of people that recommend others to vote on bugs that they want

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread R Kent James
On 6/11/2015 11:51 AM, Jared Wein wrote: There are plenty of people that recommend others to vote on bugs that they want prioritized, and us removing voting will make it look to the outsider that Mozilla is becoming more closed. If ignoring votes is a sign the Mozilla is closed, and there is a

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2015-06-11 3:48 PM, R Kent James wrote: Maybe the correct fix is to start paying attention to votes. If you choose your project priorities based on internet voting, you're gonna have a bad time. The word vote implies that the act of voting has a direct effect on the outcome, which is

Re: The War on Warnings

2015-06-11 Thread David Rajchenbach-Teller
On 10/06/15 16:10, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: Concrete examples would help. I can't find any test in browser/components/sessionstore right now with an assertion annotation so it's hard to say what the exact issue that you saw was, but I think you are complaining about the lack of documentation and

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Chris Hofmann
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Mike Hoye mh...@mozilla.com wrote: On 2015-06-11 3:48 PM, R Kent James wrote: Maybe the correct fix is to start paying attention to votes. If you choose your project priorities based on internet voting, you're gonna have a bad time. The word vote implies

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread L. David Baron
On Thursday 2015-06-11 11:13 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: If I were to handwave up a new mechanism to replace bug comments + voting, I'd probably want a feature/bug page with - upvote/downvote counts (3 vs 100 is useful information, even if it doesn't decide anything on its own) - list of

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Philipp Kewisch
On 6/11/15 10:18 PM, Mike Hoye wrote: On 2015-06-11 3:48 PM, R Kent James wrote: Maybe the correct fix is to start paying attention to votes. If you choose your project priorities based on internet voting, you're gonna have a bad time. I don't think its about the complete list of project

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Mark Côté
On 2015-06-11 4:46 PM, Chris Hofmann wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Mike Hoye mh...@mozilla.com wrote: On 2015-06-11 3:48 PM, R Kent James wrote: Maybe the correct fix is to start paying attention to votes. If you choose your project priorities based on internet voting, you're

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Chris Hofmann
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Mark Côté mc...@mozilla.com wrote: There are a few of us still round from the origin of many of these bugzilla features and for this one I think it was mostly just intended as a mechanism to make sure we had some ways to get a good collection of

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Karl Tomlinson
I would like to vote for voting. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Mark Côté
On 2015-06-11 6:43 PM, Chris Hofmann wrote: Furthermore, since bugs with lots of votes also have lots of CCs (see an earlier post of mine), if we want to just acknowledge that a bug is popular, we can just use CC counts above a certain threshold. Admittedly there's no way to search for that,

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Joshua Cranmer 
On 6/11/2015 3:57 PM, L. David Baron wrote: For what it's worth, I'd pay more attention to votes if I could see the graph of how vote counts changed over time. I explicitly want to call out attention to this. In my experience, it's not the absolute vote count that matters but rather the vote

How to getting firefox support let by default without version=1.7 or version=1.8?

2015-06-11 Thread Yonggang Luo
-- 此致 礼 罗勇刚 Yours sincerely, Yonggang Luo ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-06-11 2:51 PM, Jared Wein wrote: DevTools does something like this with UserVoice. I don't think we should get rid of voting unless we replace it with something else (UserVoice is a good alternative).

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-11 Thread Daniel Veditz
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Mike Hoye mh...@mozilla.com wrote: The word vote implies that the act of voting has a direct effect on the outcome, which is clearly not the case here and really shouldn't be. But that's probably the root of a lot of community frustration. ​Forums like Reddit