Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-22 Thread Neil
Mike Hommey wrote: note that the express version requires to be registered, now. Technically that's only true if you want to build or debug using Visual Studio rather than the command-line tools, but that's still a pain. -- Warning: May contain traces of nuts.

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hi, Can you or someone else in the know update https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites and friends, Working on it. - mhoye ___ dev-platform

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 Update: the switch will happen early in version 36. The build machines needed a reinstall of VS2013 due to a deployment issue. As merge day is coming up, it's not a good time for major changes. We'll wait for 36 to have more bake time. On the plus side

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hi, Can you or someone else in the know update https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites and friends, or (if you don't like wiki software, don't want to create an account, or have other

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 20/10/2014 16:56, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hi, Can you or someone else in the know update https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites and friends, or (if you don't like wiki software, don't

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2014-10-20 11:56 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hi, Can you or someone else in the know update https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites and friends, or (if you don't like wiki software,

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Stefan Sitter
Hi, are there plans to switch the Thunderbird builders from VS2010 to VS2013 as well? /Stefan On 14.10.2014 08:10, David Major wrote: VS2013 is now on inbound and all Windows builds are green. (Win64 builds were actually switched late last week, as they are unaffected by trains.) Please

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:09:40PM -0400, Mike Hoye wrote: On 2014-10-20 11:56 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hi, Can you or someone else in the know update

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-14 Thread David Major
- From: David Major dma...@mozilla.com To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org, firefox-...@mozilla.org Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:21:07 PM Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 Update: the switch will happen early in version 36. The build machines needed a reinstall of VS2013 due

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-14 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:10:58PM -0700, David Major wrote: VS2013 is now on inbound and all Windows builds are green. (Win64 builds were actually switched late last week, as they are unaffected by trains.) Please file bugs blocking 914596 if you encounter any VS2013-specific issues.

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-08 Thread David Major
. David - Original Message - From: David Major dma...@mozilla.com To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org, firefox-...@mozilla.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 6:27:58 PM Subject: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-09-01 Thread xunxun
And after switching to VS2013, we should enable AVX2 on libvpx then, because libvpx has some AVX2 optimization code. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, David Major dma...@mozilla.com wrote: We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the Firefox 35 train. Some

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-09-01 Thread David Major
to Visual Studio 2013 And after switching to VS2013, we should enable AVX2 on libvpx then, because libvpx has some AVX2 optimization code. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 26/08/2014 13:06, Mike Hommey wrote: Relatedly, we need to ensure it's still possible to build Firefox with the express version of MSVC (the free of charge one) corresponding to the minimum MSVC version we support. It seems to work fine with MSVC2013 Express - I'm using it for development

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2014-08-27 10:22 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: One issue related to the discussion in bug 914596 is that it's harder to find the non-latest-version of the Express version. That is, if you install Express now, you get SP3. It's probably possible to get SP2 anyhow, but I couldn't easily find

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On 8/27/2014 10:22 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: On 26/08/2014 13:06, Mike Hommey wrote: Relatedly, we need to ensure it's still possible to build Firefox with the express version of MSVC (the free of charge one) corresponding to the minimum MSVC version we support. It seems to work fine

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 27/08/2014 17:30, Ted Mielczarek wrote: I think our commitment to the Express versions should be ensure it works with whatever Microsoft makes it easy to get a hold of. We should fix bugs that impact developers' ability to build with the versions of the toolchain we support, but I haven't

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-27, 2:23 PM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: On 27/08/2014 17:30, Ted Mielczarek wrote: I think our commitment to the Express versions should be ensure it works with whatever Microsoft makes it easy to get a hold of. We should fix bugs that impact developers' ability to build with the

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Jeff Gilbert
From: Gian-Carlo Pascutto gpascu...@mozilla.com To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:23:34 AM Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 On 27/08/2014 17:30, Ted Mielczarek wrote: I think our commitment to the Express versions should be ensure

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On 8/26/2014 2:03 AM, Makoto Kato wrote: When do we support old version of Visual Studio after switching to VS2013? Now we still support VS2010 + SDK 7.1 as minimal requirement. Generally we have worked with a few unofficial guidelines for toolchain support: 1) If an older version of a

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:57:15AM -0400, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 2:03 AM, Makoto Kato wrote: When do we support old version of Visual Studio after switching to VS2013? Now we still support VS2010 + SDK 7.1 as minimal requirement. Generally we have worked with a few

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ features which are all supported on gcc 4.4 (aka our Vintage Compiler) and MSVC starting from 2012: * Variadic

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Lars Hansen
From: Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:03:31 PM Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ features which are all

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Joshua Cranmer 
On 8/26/2014 10:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ features which are all supported on gcc 4.4 (aka our Vintage

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 11:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ features which are all supported on gcc 4.4 (aka our Vintage

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 11:16 AM, Lars Hansen wrote: From: Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:03:31 PM Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 11:29 AM, Joshua Cranmer  wrote: On 8/26/2014 10:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ features which are

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Joshua Cranmer 
On 8/26/2014 10:37 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-08-26, 11:29 AM, Joshua Cranmer  wrote: On 8/26/2014 10:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 11:39 AM, Joshua Cranmer  wrote: On 8/26/2014 10:37 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-08-26, 11:29 AM, Joshua Cranmer  wrote: On 8/26/2014 10:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Joshua Cranmer 
On 8/26/2014 6:20 PM, Neil wrote: Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I was talking about MSVC2012 + the November CTP. We absolutely don't want to support older versions of 2012 (or 2013 for that matter.) What does that mean and why isn't it mentioned on MDN? The MSVC development team announced in 2012

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 9:14 PM, Joshua Cranmer  wrote: On 8/26/2014 6:20 PM, Neil wrote: Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I was talking about MSVC2012 + the November CTP. We absolutely don't want to support older versions of 2012 (or 2013 for that matter.) What does that mean and why isn't it mentioned on

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-23 Thread Neil
David Major wrote: * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit builds, so the linker will no longer be limited to 4GB address space. So will you be requiring 64-bit builders? -- Warning: May contain traces of nuts.

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-23 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 8/23/2014 6:15 AM, Neil wrote: David Major wrote: * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit builds, so the linker will no longer be limited to 4GB address space. So will you be requiring 64-bit builders? For PGO builds, probably yes. For normal

Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread David Major
We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the Firefox 35 train. Some benefits from this change: * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit builds, so the linker will no longer be limited to 4GB address space. * The linker capacity

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread xunxun
And we should use VC2013 update2 or newer edition, whose PGO is faster than WPO. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, David Major dma...@mozilla.com wrote: We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the Firefox 35 train. Some benefits from this change: * No more

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 8/22/2014 5:04 AM, xunxun wrote: And we should use VC2013 update2 or newer edition, whose PGO is faster than WPO. Yes, we had to wait for update 2 for fixes that would allow Firefox PGO builds to complete at all (there were previously internal compile errors during the link phase).

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 22/08/2014 15:55, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: On 8/22/2014 5:04 AM, xunxun wrote: And we should use VC2013 update2 or newer edition, whose PGO is faster than WPO. Yes, we had to wait for update 2 for fixes that would allow Firefox PGO builds to complete at all (there were previously internal

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Kyle Huey
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:27 PM, David Major dma...@mozilla.com wrote: We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the Firefox 35 train. Some benefits from this change: * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit builds, so the

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 8/22/2014 10:34 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Do we have a configure check for this so people trying this won't waste oodles of time only to get internal errors? :-) No we don't. It only affects PGO builds, which no normal person ever does, so I think the relative effort of implementing

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Nicholas Nethercote
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:27 PM, David Major dma...@mozilla.com wrote: We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the Firefox 35 train. Some benefits from this change: * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit builds, so the