Re: Support of Java 10

2018-03-08 Thread Jan Lahoda
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Sven Reimers wrote: > Hi all, > > do we have an agreement to merge the branch from Jan to have at least basic > support for Java 10? > I hope so, my plan is to send a pull request "sometime soon". Jan > Thanks > > -Sven >

Re: Support of Java 10

2018-03-08 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, 08:12 Jan Lahoda, wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Sven Reimers > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > do we have an agreement to merge the branch from Jan to have at least > basic > > support for Java 10? > > > > I hope so, my plan is to send a pull request "sometime soon".

Re: AW: Automating website publishing

2018-03-08 Thread Antonio
Hi Neil, Yes, I think that makes most sense. I'll update the issue with that. Thanks, Antonio On 07/03/18 22:17, Neil C Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 21:10 Antonio, wrote: The problem I have with publishing whenever master is updated is that if somebody solves many typos & makes man

Re: AW: Automating website publishing

2018-03-08 Thread Thilina Ranathunga
My suggestion is, At this stage, the site is getting updates frequently (say, Multiple commits/pull requests per day). So, I assume "c) Each X days" would be good in the current situation. Once when the site is more stable and rich enough not to get changed frequently, we may go for "a) Whenever '

[LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

2018-03-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all, Following the mentor advice below, we need documented consensus on what defines an 'Apache NetBeans Day', i.e., the requirements for an event to be able to be named 'Apache NetBeans Day'. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/afc1177e52a4436b99a40b73128c02de7a33af580b5aca444adc074d@%3Cdev.

Re: AW: Automating website publishing

2018-03-08 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 11:29 Thilina Ranathunga wrote: > At this stage, the site is getting updates frequently (say, Multiple > commits/pull requests per day). So, I assume "c) Each X days" would be good > in the current situation. > Why? Having run a range of sites for clients and personally of

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

2018-03-08 Thread Michael Nascimento
NetBeans Days are always exciting and it'll be great to call them Apache NetBeans Days now. NetBeans is embracing the Apache way. Congrats to the community! Regards, Michael On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Hi all, > > Following the mentor advice below, we need document

Re: Netbeans presentation in Hong Kong

2018-03-08 Thread Enrico Scantamburlo
I did this some years ago https://www.slideshare.net/scanti/studio-sl-jug On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Peter Cheung wrote: > Dear All > > I will hold a 30 mins talk about netbeans plugin development in Hong > Kong (http://codeaholics.io), is there any good powerpoint i can have a > look.

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

2018-03-08 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 12:26 Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > ... > 2. Have all demos done throughout the event in NetBeans. > ... > > Here's the central location where Apache NetBeans Events are defined: > > https://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html > ... If

Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Paul Franz
There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic here. Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of co

Problem Reporter

2018-03-08 Thread Mark Struberg
Hi folks! Just a random user question from me this time ;) I was using the installing NetBeans on my Linux desktop and tried using the internal search line.And got a problem reported (ClassNotFoundException: javax.help.search.SearchEngine). The 'Report Problem' dialogue and stuff still seems to

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Mark Struberg
tons of companies and projects are still using SVN. Also new projects. While git is great, it is also very easy to destroy a GIT repo.This is a major reason why some companies still prefer SVN.The other argument is security. SVN is strictly centralised and file based. So you cannot take the whol

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Scott Palmer
I agree that it is too early to remove support for Subversion. I also agree that the best alternative to it is Mercurial. (It’s like Git meant for use by for humans ;-)) I would hate to see support for either dropped. Scott > On Mar 8, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Paul Franz wrote: > > There has been a d

Re: Problem Reporter

2018-03-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
No, we haven’t migrated the Exception Reporter to Apache yet (and don’t really know how). Gj On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Mark Struberg wrote: > Hi folks! > Just a random user question from me this time ;) > > I was using the installing NetBeans on my Linux desktop and tried using > the internal

Re: Problem Reporter

2018-03-08 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 14:41 Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > No, we haven’t migrated the Exception Reporter to Apache yet (and don’t > really know how). > Should we just (temporarily) replace with an action that open JIRA with the external browser API? Mental note -

Re: Problem Reporter

2018-03-08 Thread Sven Reimers
Hi, I think this is just a service so it could run on the netbeans-vm similiar tp Synergy? But the implementation will need work to be compatible with new environment at apache.. is the code part of the donation? @jarda should know? Sven Am 08.03.2018 15:54 schrieb "Neil C Smith" : > On Thu,

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Antonio
Hi there, As far as I remember the support of svn in NetBeans was due to licensing issues. This has nothing to do with who uses subversion or not. FreeBSD, as an example, has been using/is using subversion successfully for years. Kind regards, Antonio On 08/03/18 15:29, Paul Franz wrote: The

AW: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Christian Lenz
I’m really against the idea to remove such a big Feature. Mercurial, SVN and GIT are the most big Players. And first we should often see what happens on other IDEs. Yes I know, we are not IntelliJ but this is a big Player and they only decided to remove ClearCase because it is not developed furt

AW: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Christian Lenz
Offtopic, we should also Support TFS (Team foundation Server from MicroSoft). Von: Christian Lenz Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 16:23 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: AW: Possible Removal of SVN I’m really against the idea to remove such a big Feature. Mercurial, SVN and GIT a

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

2018-03-08 Thread mark stephens
As one of the NetBeans Day UK organisers, I like Geertjan’s definition but think 2 clarifications would help. 1. Does ALL the content have to be NetBeans or the vast majority? In the past we have had a very small minority of talks at NetBeans day which have of a more general nature but fit in w

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Just for the record, Oracle did not remove Ruby and UML support from NetBeans. Sun did that. Was there a mean spirited nefarious reason behind doing that? No, simply a problem of not having enough resources to do everything and needing to prioritize and make choices. I agree completely Subversion

AW: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Christian Lenz
Ok, thx for clarification. Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 16:44 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Possible Removal of SVN Just for the record, Oracle did not remove Ruby and UML support from NetBeans. Sun did that. Was there a mean spirited nefarious re

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 03/08/2018 09:44 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > I agree completely Subversion should stay as a standard part of NetBeans. > CVS, on the other hand, which has been a separate module for several years > now, is IMHO not something we should give high priority. +1 -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registere

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

2018-03-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Thursday, March 8, 2018, mark stephens wrote: > As one of the NetBeans Day UK organisers, I like Geertjan’s definition but > think 2 clarifications would help. > > 1. Does ALL the content have to be NetBeans or the vast majority? NetBeans is a tool, like a hammer. If there were to be a Hamm

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Jan Lahoda
FWIW, IIRC, NetBeans is using different backends to work with SVN repositories, and one of the backends is has a license[1] that is possibly/probably incompatible with an Apache project, so that one was excluded: https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/commit/e32f86aeecc1b0bb890ff95ed7e1c31c6d

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

2018-03-08 Thread Antonio
Hi all, I agree with all points. I'd add an additional one, though: 4. Apache NetBeans Days held in Spain should offer a beverage and tapas. Thanks, Antonio On 08/03/18 13:26, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Hi all, Following the mentor advice below, we need documented consensus on what defines an

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

2018-03-08 Thread mark stephens
> On 8 Mar 2018, at 16:57, Antonio wrote: > > Hi all, > > I agree with all points. I'd add an additional one, though: > > 4. Apache NetBeans Days held in Spain should offer a beverage and tapas. It is a rule it always rains when we have the UK one…. Regards, MArk > > Thanks, > Antonio >

Re: AW: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Dave Irving
Still using this actively at work. Dave Irving On 08/03/18 15:23, Christian Lenz wrote: I’m really against the idea to remove such a big Feature. Mercurial, SVN and GIT are the most big Players. And first we should often see what happens on other IDEs. Yes I know, we are not IntelliJ but thi

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Matthias Bläsing
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 08.03.2018, 14:33 + schrieb Mark Struberg: > tons of companies and projects are still using SVN. Also new > projects. > While git is great, it is also very easy to destroy a GIT repo.This > is a major reason why some companies still prefer SVN.The other > argument is se

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Wade Chandler
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > > On 03/08/2018 09:44 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >> I agree completely Subversion should stay as a standard part of NetBeans. >> CVS, on the other hand, which has been a separate module for several years >> now, is IMHO not something we shou

New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

2018-03-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all! Now that we have a new logo and new website — a next logical step would include a new splash screen. I.e., parallel to the NetCAT program getting started and moving along well, we could propose various splash screen designs, featuring our new logo and maybe some of the styles and colors f

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Thu, 08 Mar 2018 20:11:14 +0100, Wade Chandler wrote: +1 +1 As others, I have customers using it with some projects, and they will probably stay with SVN for those projects until they die... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. "We make Java work. Everywhere." htt

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

2018-03-08 Thread John McDonnell
Apologies for the spam, cross posting to dev. @Antonio, do you know if the link on the website for NetBeans 9.0 Beta is correct? Looking at this thread, the signature doesn't match the RC3.0 thread we voted on. If we have a small typo we should try to catch this early in the NetCat phase. Regar

Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

2018-03-08 Thread Javier Ortiz
Yeah, the current one for sure doesn't go along the new logo. Is branding part of this first release? On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi all! > > Now that we have a new logo and new website — a next logical step would > include a ne

Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

2018-03-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Javier Ortiz wrote: > Yeah, the current one for sure doesn't go along the new logo. Is branding > part of this first release? > Sure, why not? If we have a new logo and a new website, the next step if a new splash screen. Gj > > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

2018-03-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, I think we need to sort out what's going on here. Though if it turns out there's a problem with the signing of the Beta, I think that means we need to be all the more careful and really verify everything in that regard (maybe have a dedicated signature verification team) for the final release

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

2018-03-08 Thread John McDonnell
The way I understand it, the artefact we voted on, that has a good signature. The one on the website that results in the bad signature. So either the website isn't pointing to the correct artefact, or something has gone wrong somewhere. John On 8 March 2018 at 20:11, Geertjan Wielenga < geertja

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

2018-03-08 Thread Delfi Ramirez
Hi all In agreed with Mathias and others, and taking in consideration the specific end purpose use of SVN i would not remove,  support of Subversion in Net beans. IF it depends on this solely opinion, being an outlier too. cheers On 08/03/2018 15:29, Paul Franz wrote: There has been a disc

Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

2018-03-08 Thread Antonio
+1 This is a great idea! On 08/03/18 20:13, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Hi all! Now that we have a new logo and new website — a next logical step would include a new splash screen. I.e., parallel to the NetCAT program getting started and moving along well, we could propose various splash screen d

Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

2018-03-08 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 20:47 Antonio wrote: > +1 This is a great idea! > Yep, +1. With the necessary parts to make a new hero image for the website too - we'd ideally keep those in sync. Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual ID

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

2018-03-08 Thread Antonio
Hi all, José Rodriguez from the users mailing list notes that the "incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip" files from [1] (dist.apache.org) and [2] (http://www-eu.apache.org) have different MD5 signatures. A quick review shows that the files are indeed different: "dist" zip file ([1])::

Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

2018-03-08 Thread Lars Bruun-Hansen
Question is how far you want to go in such a contest? There's NETBEANS-146 (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-146) which lists all art work which needs to be touched in order for a complete re-branding to take place. By this, you'll learn that Platform and IDE has different splashes,