Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hi Toni, On Wed, 14 Mar 2018, 07:35 , wrote: > Regarding the architecture: In a plain DukeScript application we're > starting a normal Java process. This process starts a HTML5Renderer using a > "Presenter", e.g embedded chromium. The task of the Presenter is to take >

Re: Status of the documentation?

Excellent work! Yes, there’s a few more items, will list them here ASAP. Gj On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Antonio wrote: > Hi all, > > AFAIK we now have: > > - The old wiki DevFaq at http://netbeans.apache.org/wiki/ > - The features section of the old website at >

Re: What Coding Conventions Should We Follow Now? What should the IDE default to?

The coding conventions NetBeans follows and provides are "as-is". People that what to customize it have some options to toggle or could use 3rd party plugins. Particularly since there is no global Java standard I don't believe we should be looking for extra work for nothing. For reference, the

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hi Wade, one of the ideas behind DukeScript was to not create our own rendering technology and set of widgets. That has huge benefits: - We don't have to write and maintain a Rendering Pipeline. JavaFX proofs how hard it is. They have huge performance problems, partially caused by basically

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

There's a problem with this whole discussion. Participants are mixing criticism of webapps with criticism of Desktop applications which use a HTML5Component as their renderer. I don't know if I should respond, because technologies like DukeScript or Electron do not suffer from this browser

Re: Status of the documentation?

Hi, On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 at 19:09 Antonio wrote: > - The old wiki DevFaq at http://netbeans.apache.org/wiki/ Did we not have the UserFaq at one point too? I remember it coming up in conversation at least. Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

> > > To help us out of this situation and save Java as a programming language I > dedicated my days to smoothing out interoperability between Java and > JavaScript with the goal to reuse the most flexible and portable rendering > system of these days: the browser. My work has already been donated

AW: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

Peter, can you tell me which limitations you mean? As I wrote in an other thread, the limitations came from GWT. The Problem is that a Java developer doesn’t want to write HTML, CSS and JS so they are looking for an alternative. GWT or Vaadin or kotlin to js, I can’t understand that, but ok.

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

Hello Zoran, your question is easy to answer (so I start with it, but I thank everyone for comments, I react later)... 14. 3. 2018 v 2:48, Zoran Sevarac : > Can I do the following using HTML4J: > 1. Build a frontend that will work in NetBeans Platform App and web app >

AW: Support of Java 10

But that means, that master is newer than that what is live, right? I thought we should have a NB 10 branch to merge the stuff for the next into it, or is it about the nightlies? Do we have a strategy for that? I mean master should always be the stable branch for that, what is stable live,

Re: AW: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

One of the biggest limitations is the fact everything is single threaded. This isn't related to vaadin and gwt. I have used vaadin and like it alot, and to build certain types of applications it is a great candidate if you are used to java. I have also used GWT alot and have extended it for areas

NB 9.0 Beta

As I understand it right, NB 9.0 Beta is live, right? I mean real NB 9.0 Beta, not NB 9.0 Beta RC 3. If so, NB 9.0 Beta is missing as a release artefact at the github Releases page. Only to let you know that. Maybe I’m wrong. Cheers Chris

Re: Status of the documentation?

Hi, I recall talking about the UserFAQ [1], but I thought most content there was obsolete (mailing list, license agreements, contribution agreements, plugin portal, update center, blogging) and we decided not to port it. The UserFAQ is _huge_, by the way. We can port whatever we want to

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX fromOracle JDK

Best example Neil, the app is horrible, it is slow initialization like 10 seconds or more? Please come one. No way!. And the UI is horrible too, out from the latest 90s or whenever. Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 Von: Neil C Smith Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. März 2018 10:35 An:

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

Yes, there is indeed another release pending soon -- that will always be the case. Right now, we're working on the final release of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0, which will mean a new release. Gj On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 5:45 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Wed, 14

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:54:59 +0100 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Yes, there is indeed another release pending soon -- that will always > be the case. Right now, we're working on the final release of Apache > NetBeans (incubating) 9.0, which will mean a new release.

Re: AW: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

I agree. If the web was such a great platform for desktop apps, you would have seen many other projects/companies porting complex desktop applications to it. They are not. Web technologies are great for basic interfaces. They are utter garbage for Filty Rich Clients. Don't repeat the

Re: List of options of "cluster.config"

See nbbuild/cluster.properties file. -jt Odesláno z iPadu 13. 3. 2018 v 8:06, Peter Cheung : > Hi All > How to know/get the list of options of parameter “cluster.config”? > > $ ant -Dcluster.config=platform > > Thanks > From Peter

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:01 AM, > wrote: > > There's a problem with this whole discussion. Participants are mixing > criticism of webapps with criticism of Desktop applications which use a > HTML5Component as their renderer. I don't know if I

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:29:54 -0400 Emilian Bold wrote: > Good catch. Yes, there should be a git tag for 9.0-beta, no? Or do we > use 9.0-beta-rc3? I could have sworn there was a 9.0-beta tag. I asked about releases a few days back, no response. But there I mention I

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:17:23 +0100 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/9.0-beta-rc3 > > There's the tag for rc3 i.e., the officially approved Apache NetBeans > (incubating) 9.0 Beta. I bumped my packages to that version

Re: Status of the documentation?

Take a look here: https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/usersguide Gj On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: > Hi, > > In reverse order ... > > On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 at 09:13 Antonio wrote: > > > Also, we have an area

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:12:29 +0100 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Here it is, you can write back and ask again, but this will still be > the tag of the rc3 which has been accepted as Apache NetBeans > (incubating) 9.0 Beta: > >

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

Here it is, you can write back and ask again, but this will still be the tag of the rc3 which has been accepted as Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta: https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/9.0-beta-rc3 Gj On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:10 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

Chuck, I appreciate free software as much as the next guy. But I still blame Sun and Oracle for killing AWT/Swing. If they wanted more community contributions they could have opened up the bug reporting system, faciliated pull requests, and shown that they are acting in good faith. They chose

Re: Status of the documentation?

Antonio and Neil, I was checking out the site today, and you guys have it rocking! Awesome! The conversion bits you plugged in are sharp too. Great work! Thanks so much! Wade On Mar 14, 2018 17:16, "Antonio" wrote: Hi, Yep. I can see those terrific HTML files out there

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

Chuck, My main beef with AWT/Swing is one of API design first, bugs second, and performance last. I think there is a real opportunity here but it is a difficult one to solve in an open-source context. I think open-source communities are great for fixing bugs and implementing features but

Re: AW: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

On Mar 13, 2018 08:39, "Christian Lenz" wrote: There are big players out there. And why I love electron? Because it is fucking HTML, CSS and JS AND for the Backend too. This eco system was build for fullstack developers, who wants to create desktop applications with

AW: AW: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will removeJavaFXfromOracle JDK

Hi Christian, You're experiencing something all the Java devs had to go through 10 years ago, when everyone still told us Java/Swing is so slow, and will never be able to keep up with real programming languages/native UIs, while we were coding really huge and fast Applications with it. It

Re: JShell Support

Awesome! Gj On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:29 PM, wrote: > Thanks, for the advice. It went fine and I also did a small nighthacking > session with Yolande that should be recorded somewhere. > > --Toni > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Geertjan Wielenga

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

I find it incredible that Jaroslav is saying "... people aren't willing to dedicate 10minutes of their personal time to try HTML/Java API in action ...". How are they supposed to discover that? Let's try it out with time logging: 15:33 - Setting out to search for NetBeans on google, landed on

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

Gili: So now that they are no longer in charge (it's open source now) let's fix AWT/Swing/FX and start marketing. We're in charge now. Or did I take a nap and miss something? Ultimately, perhaps not in the short term, you get market share by providing a demonstrably better alternative. We

Re: AW: AW: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will removeJavaFXfromOracle JDK

The problem with browser UIs is not their performance (although that's not great either). The problem is development productivity is utter crap. The obvious problem is the lack of consistency between browsers, OSs, and even versions thereof. The less obvious problem is the constant churn:

AW: JShell Support

Thanks, for the advice. It went fine and I also did a small nighthacking session with Yolande that should be recorded somewhere. --Toni -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 12:29 An:

AW: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Hi Geertjan, I agree. I'd be happy to move it to a different category. What would you suggest? Regarding your other suggestion ("POC or shut up!" ). We're thinking about the best way how to do a Proof Of Concept and this discussion has proven very valuable so far as we understand better what

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

You're pointing to the Apache NetBeans Platform, which is Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Alpha. The Apache NetBeans IDE, which is Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta, is here: https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java, though please note that this is

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 14:01:04 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > Or if its an Apache mirroring issue. I > have seen issues with tag differences on Github and Apache. A couple > times the entire groovy repo on Github disappeared. Other times newer > tags exist in Apache

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:54:55 +0100 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > You're pointing to the Apache NetBeans Platform, which is Apache > NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Alpha. > > The Apache NetBeans IDE, which is Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 > Beta, is here: > >

Re: NB9

I stumbled onto a tutorial for NB binding a couple of days ago. I looked for it in NB9 and it is missing (present in 8.2). I don't see a plugin either. Is this an oversight or by design? I've never actually used it but it seems relevant to JSE. Anybody know?

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

HI, I know beside Github This a link to all the releases for 9.0-beta, 9.0-beta-rc2 and rc-3 https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-platform/ http://www-eu.apache.org/dist/incubator/netbeans/ On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 1:24 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:47:20 -0400 Efrem Mc wrote: > HI, I know beside Github > > This a link to all the releases for 9.0-beta, 9.0-beta-rc2 and rc-3 > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-platform/ > >

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hi Neil, Emi and others, thanks for the constructive answers. I agree for NB we need to find an alternative to the current presenters. I also think with Browser, iOS and Android we've already proven to be capable of using anything you throw at us as a renderer . CEF/Chromium would be an

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Apache NetBeans Day UK -- April 27, 2018

Hi all, Following this vote, the event will be going forward and will be hosted at the University of Greenwich in London. You can find tickets for the event here - it is free admission but will require registration on this page:

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

> PS: Shame on me for not being able to do it. The MineSweeper game is around > for four years, including the IDE support. And then you ask "frontend that > will work in NetBeans Platform App and web app"! Well, that is the whole > point of HTML/Java API (from NetBeans perspective) - what have

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/9.0-beta-rc3 There's the tag for rc3 i.e., the officially approved Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta. Gj On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 3:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:29:54 -0400 > Emilian Bold

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

The tag is 9.0-beta-rc3, as stated at http://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-beta.html :-) On 14/03/18 16:17, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/9.0-beta-rc3 There's the tag for rc3 i.e., the officially approved Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

The only issue I currently issue I have with DukeScript is that to deploy your application on iOS or Android it is required to be GPL or buy a Commercial license (minimum 19 Euros or approximately $25 per month). Which means to deploy an app to an app store you need to have a paid for app with

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

Good catch. Yes, there should be a git tag for 9.0-beta, no? Or do we use 9.0-beta-rc3? --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 14 March 2018 12:23 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: > As I understand it right, NB 9.0 Beta is live, right? I mean real NB 9.0 > Beta, not NB

Re: NetBeans at 8.2% in the StackOverflow 2018 developer survey

It is weird. NetBeans is at 10.9% for Mobile Developers and 8.4% for System Admins/DevOps. Paul Franz Senior Principal Applications Engineer Oracle Transportation Management On 14 Mar 2018, at 9:33, Emilian Bold wrote:

AW: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

And there should be some more examples where to start. The DukeScript Project template doesn’t fit my Needs to start with. Sure I can make a template from my NbScratchFile plugin, because this fit’s my Needs as a frontend dev. It is not removing that with that, it is extending that with that.

NetBeans at 8.2% in the StackOverflow 2018 developer survey

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018/#development-environments-and-tools --emi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Status of the documentation?

Hi, Yep. I can see those terrific HTML files out there [1] :-) Since we now have this "html-cleanse-to-asciidoc-and-markdown" hammer, and now that everything looks like a nail, I think I'll give it a run and try to generate some asciidoc. Who knows, we could even build an ePub with the user

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:20:17 -0400 Scott Palmer wrote: > > On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:01 AM, > > wrote: > > > > There's a problem with this whole discussion. Participants are > > mixing criticism of webapps with criticism of

Re: AW: AW: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will removeJavaFXfromOracle JDK

Hey, Add also gitkraken [1] to the list of cool, fast, developer-oriented UIs you can do with libchromiumcontent [2]. libchromiumcontent is BSD licensed, by the way, and is cross platform and also well maintained. Now that JavaFX (GPL/CPE) is going to be a separate download from the JDK,

AW: AW: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will removeJavaFXfromOracle JDK

So the example from Github, with Atom and the example of Microsoft with VS Code or Slack with the Desktop app, is not valuable enough for you? VS Code is such a fast DIE/Editor. And valuable against sublime for sure. It is very stable, is the most contributed Project on github etc. So I think

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

Another way to look at is is, if web apps were so great, why are phone apps so dominant? In the early days of the iPhone, their stock answer was “write web apps”. That failed miserably, and they eventually caved in and allowed developers to write real apps. JavaFX would be faster than WebGL

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

So, what are you waiting for? https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/OpenJFX/Main will be more than happy to suck up some energy from you. Sorry, I guess I'm in a snarky mood today but I just get so tired of everybody ragging on Oracle. How long has OpenJDK been the source and Oracle has been

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

The first link shows all three releases. Thanks for clarifying the link to the official release site; I will tag it. I downloaded rc3 and will start using that release. The previous one was the 9.0-beta release. I reported a bug in the package (it is in all releases - maybe a licensing issue).

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

Gili, I agree with you the browsers are not as performant as desktop applications. Here is the one thing that I have run into on the Windows platform and that it is becoming more difficult to deploy applications on Windows because Anti-Virus thinks anything with an Embedded JVM is

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:04:08 -0700 Chuck Davis wrote: > So, what are you waiting for? > https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/OpenJFX/Main will be more than > happy to suck up some energy from you. > > Sorry, I guess I'm in a snarky mood today but I just get so tired of >

Re: Status of the documentation?

On 14/03/18 10:30, Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 at 09:13 Antonio wrote: Also, we have an area for the github wiki pages at [2]. Do we want to start a wiki there? I thought we'd decided on asking for a separate wiki repo (ie. incubator-netbeans-wiki ?) You