Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Sorry for top posting, but I think we've discussed this enough to have a sense of what our constraints are. A quick proposal: Let's start from this page: http://www.openoffice.org/product/ That is linked to prominently from the homepage and the top navigation bar. I propose adding a new section to the left navigation panel, between Products and More. The new section will be called Platforms and will link to four pages: 1) Windows 2) Mac 3) Linux 4) Ports The first three will be new landing pages. The last one will link to the existing /porting page. Each of the platform pages will have basic system requirements and a link to the download page. They pages can grow to contain (or link to) other platform specific instructions or FAQ's. As an example, here is what the windows page might look like: http://www.openoffice.org/product/windows.html We could try to keep the other platforms in a parallel form. -Rob good idea! I like it! OK. I've uploaded template pages for MacOS and Linux: http://www.openoffice.org/product/mac.html http://www.openoffice.org/product/linux.html I really need help on filling in the details there. I don't think I've touched a Mac since 1989. And even then I was confused looking for the on button ;-) Regards, -Rob These pages are interesting. I may be able to help with Linux. But...platform specific features? Not sure about this one. -Rob On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable 10 office portable 10 openoffice portable日本語版 10 openoffice portable 3.4 10 openoffice 3.4 portable 10 openoffice portable deutsch 10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable 10 openoffice portable 日本語 10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. -Rob Regards, Andrea. -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
Hey but bootstrap is not alone on js its on cuss too and you don't have to make drastic changes Its simple enough to apply, Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 01:56:03 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Reply-To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:48 AM, saransh wrote: Can we make a website with automated language selector or optional language selector Sure, if you want to give it a try just provide somewhere a version of the index.html page with the additional selector and a working redirection to the native lang pages (example: German http://www.openoffice.org/de/ ; Italian http://www.openoffice.org/it ); but read below for constraints. and over all I m not convinced really website looks great either you can incorporate bootstrap into it what do you say... I'm not very familiar with Bootstrap. Can you explain more? For example, does it require server-side processing? No, Bootstrap is a JavaScript framework under Apache License 2: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ ; while very good for certain use cases, we probably don't want to depend on a JavaScript framework at the moment. So no jQuery, no Bootstrap, even though I wouldn't rule them out if we at a certain time restructure the whole site. And for a language selector, we talked at one time about adding the Google Translate drop down on each page, to make it easier for visitors to get a page translated It would be enough to have a language selector on the homepage (or everywhere, but redirecting to the native-lang homepage). So, no content translation, but merely a redirection to a localized website. Now, to see the German site, one has to click on Native Language and then select German. Having a language drop-down near the search box would improve the user experience. (By the way: no flags, language names are OK and politically correct). Regards, Andrea.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
No bootstrap is the front end engine to make apps and website look great and best part its by twitter and it is open source so I don't think so server side is needed it basically html,css and js with customized layouts and predefined set of tools you can google about and about the selector of country we have to work on seperate sites based on language Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:32:11 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; sara...@upscale.in Reply-To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:48 AM, sara...@upscale.in wrote: Can we make a website with automated language selector or optional language selector and over all I m not convinced really website looks great either you can incorporate bootstrap into it what do you say... I'm not very familiar with Bootstrap. Can you explain more? For example, does it require server-side processing? For performance and security reasons we have some severe restrictions on server-side processes. And for a language selector, we talked at one time about adding the Google Translate drop down on each page, to make it easier for visitors to get a page translated, but there were concerns on the poor quality of the automated translation. -Rob Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:36:07 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Reply-To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page Sorry for top posting, but I think we've discussed this enough to have a sense of what our constraints are. A quick proposal: Let's start from this page: http://www.openoffice.org/product/ That is linked to prominently from the homepage and the top navigation bar. I propose adding a new section to the left navigation panel, between Products and More. The new section will be called Platforms and will link to four pages: 1) Windows 2) Mac 3) Linux 4) Ports The first three will be new landing pages. The last one will link to the existing /porting page. Each of the platform pages will have basic system requirements and a link to the download page. They pages can grow to contain (or link to) other platform specific instructions or FAQ's. -Rob On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable 10 office portable 10 openoffice portable日本語版 10 openoffice portable 3.4 10 openoffice 3.4 portable 10 openoffice portable deutsch 10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable 10 openoffice portable 日本語 10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. -Rob Regards, Andrea.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:28 AM, sara...@upscale.in wrote: Hey but bootstrap is not alone on js its on cuss too and you don't have to make drastic changes Its simple enough to apply, It may be worth prototyping what it could look like for some pages. We have the ability, for example, to compare alternative versions of the same page and see which one is better at achieving some measurable goal, e.g., download conversion rate, time on page, abandon rate, etc. But the main concern, I think, is that we don't get too far ahead of the browser capabilities in use by our users. But if we want a rough estimate, here is what I see for % of visits for all browsers that represent 1% or more of the visits: 1. Chrome 23.0.1271.9723.92% 2. Firefox 17.018.19% 3. Internet Explorer 9.0 13.56% 4. Internet Explorer 8.0 8.70% 5. Internet Explorer 10.04.48% 6. Safari 536.26.17 3.89% 7. Firefox 18.02.93% 8. Chrome 24.0.1312.522.05% 9. Firefox 16.01.63% 10. Safari 534.57.21.59% 11. Internet Explorer 7.0 1.51% 12. Opera 12.12 1.29% 13. Chrome 23.0.1271.101 1.26% Note that together is only 85% of our visitors. The long tail has older versions. With over 5 million website visitors/month, even losing access for 1% means 50,000 users blocked. -Rob Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 01:56:03 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Reply-To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:48 AM, saransh wrote: Can we make a website with automated language selector or optional language selector Sure, if you want to give it a try just provide somewhere a version of the index.html page with the additional selector and a working redirection to the native lang pages (example: German http://www.openoffice.org/de/ ; Italian http://www.openoffice.org/it ); but read below for constraints. and over all I m not convinced really website looks great either you can incorporate bootstrap into it what do you say... I'm not very familiar with Bootstrap. Can you explain more? For example, does it require server-side processing? No, Bootstrap is a JavaScript framework under Apache License 2: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ ; while very good for certain use cases, we probably don't want to depend on a JavaScript framework at the moment. So no jQuery, no Bootstrap, even though I wouldn't rule them out if we at a certain time restructure the whole site. And for a language selector, we talked at one time about adding the Google Translate drop down on each page, to make it easier for visitors to get a page translated It would be enough to have a language selector on the homepage (or everywhere, but redirecting to the native-lang homepage). So, no content translation, but merely a redirection to a localized website. Now, to see the German site, one has to click on Native Language and then select German. Having a language drop-down near the search box would improve the user experience. (By the way: no flags, language names are OK and politically correct). Regards, Andrea.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Sorry for top posting, but I think we've discussed this enough to have a sense of what our constraints are. A quick proposal: Let's start from this page: http://www.openoffice.org/product/ That is linked to prominently from the homepage and the top navigation bar. I propose adding a new section to the left navigation panel, between Products and More. The new section will be called Platforms and will link to four pages: 1) Windows 2) Mac 3) Linux 4) Ports The first three will be new landing pages. The last one will link to the existing /porting page. Each of the platform pages will have basic system requirements and a link to the download page. They pages can grow to contain (or link to) other platform specific instructions or FAQ's. As an example, here is what the windows page might look like: http://www.openoffice.org/product/windows.html We could try to keep the other platforms in a parallel form. -Rob -Rob On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable 10 office portable 10 openoffice portable日本語版 10 openoffice portable 3.4 10 openoffice 3.4 portable 10 openoffice portable deutsch 10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable 10 openoffice portable 日本語 10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. -Rob Regards, Andrea.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
Am 01/15/2013 07:21 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: Sorry for top posting, but I think we've discussed this enough to have a sense of what our constraints are. A quick proposal: Let's start from this page: http://www.openoffice.org/product/ That is linked to prominently from the homepage and the top navigation bar. I propose adding a new section to the left navigation panel, between Products and More. The new section will be called Platforms and will link to four pages: 1) Windows 2) Mac 3) Linux 4) Ports The first three will be new landing pages. The last one will link to the existing /porting page. Each of the platform pages will have basic system requirements and a link to the download page. They pages can grow to contain (or link to) other platform specific instructions or FAQ's. As an example, here is what the windows page might look like: http://www.openoffice.org/product/windows.html We could try to keep the other platforms in a parallel form. -Rob good idea! I like it! Or with a picture: http://siliconangle.com/files/2011/11/i-like.jpg :-D Marcus On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable10 office portable10 openoffice portable日本語版10 openoffice portable 3.410 openoffice 3.4 portable10 openoffice portable deutsch10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable10 openoffice portable 日本語10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. -Rob Regards, Andrea.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/14/2013 02:35 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable 10 office portable 10 openoffice portable日本語版 10 openoffice portable 3.4 10 openoffice 3.4 portable 10 openoffice portable deutsch 10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable 10 openoffice portable 日本語 10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. Maybe a good chance to add a /products/portable area like Rob suggestes in a later mail and attempted already with /products/windows. We sort of have that indirectly since the /products pages would have a leftnav link point to /porting and /porting already links to the winPenPack distribution. I suppose it depends on whether we want to make a distinction between the binaries that we sign and release, which we know comes from our release source code, versus downstream versions which might vary. -Rob Marcus
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/15/2013 02:36 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: Sorry for top posting, but I think we've discussed this enough to have a sense of what our constraints are. A quick proposal: Let's start from this page: http://www.openoffice.org/product/ That is linked to prominently from the homepage and the top navigation bar. I propose adding a new section to the left navigation panel, between Products and More. The new section will be called Platforms and will link to four pages: 1) Windows 2) Mac 3) Linux 4) Ports The first three will be new landing pages. The last one will link to the existing /porting page. Each of the platform pages will have basic system requirements and a link to the download page. They pages can grow to contain (or link to) other platform specific instructions or FAQ's. Looks good and to reuse the Products area instead of create a new one is a smart idea. Furthermore, we should include - besides the sysreq, instructions and FAQs - also a link to the most recent Readme text. IMHO it makes sense to have this here also in a prominent way. I added a link to these install instructions: http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html#win Were there any platform-specific readme's? The FAQ's page has a place for platform-specific FAQ's, but currently only has them for MacOS: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ Another thing that would be good on such a page is any information on platform-specific integration features. For example, on Windows we have email client access via MAPI. I suspect we support ODBC data access. Anything else special? OLE? DDE? TrueType Fonts? Support for 2nd monitor? DirectDraw? Is there a list of things like this anywhere? Remember, as a landing page for Windows (or Mac or Linux) it does not need to contain every bit of information. But it does need to contain all the relevant buzzwords. We can link to the details. -Rob Marcus On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable10 office portable10 openoffice portable日本語版10 openoffice portable 3.410 openoffice 3.4 portable10 openoffice portable deutsch10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable10 openoffice portable 日本語10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. -Rob Regards, Andrea.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Sorry for top posting, but I think we've discussed this enough to have a sense of what our constraints are. A quick proposal: Let's start from this page: http://www.openoffice.org/product/ That is linked to prominently from the homepage and the top navigation bar. I propose adding a new section to the left navigation panel, between Products and More. The new section will be called Platforms and will link to four pages: 1) Windows 2) Mac 3) Linux 4) Ports The first three will be new landing pages. The last one will link to the existing /porting page. Each of the platform pages will have basic system requirements and a link to the download page. They pages can grow to contain (or link to) other platform specific instructions or FAQ's. As an example, here is what the windows page might look like: http://www.openoffice.org/product/windows.html We could try to keep the other platforms in a parallel form. -Rob good idea! I like it! OK. I've uploaded template pages for MacOS and Linux: http://www.openoffice.org/product/mac.html http://www.openoffice.org/product/linux.html I really need help on filling in the details there. I don't think I've touched a Mac since 1989. And even then I was confused looking for the on button ;-) Regards, -Rob -Rob On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable 10 office portable 10 openoffice portable日本語版 10 openoffice portable 3.4 10 openoffice 3.4 portable 10 openoffice portable deutsch 10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable 10 openoffice portable 日本語 10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. -Rob Regards, Andrea. -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
Am 01/15/2013 09:43 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Kay Schenkkay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: Sorry for top posting, but I think we've discussed this enough to have a sense of what our constraints are. A quick proposal: Let's start from this page: http://www.openoffice.org/product/ That is linked to prominently from the homepage and the top navigation bar. I propose adding a new section to the left navigation panel, between Products and More. The new section will be called Platforms and will link to four pages: 1) Windows 2) Mac 3) Linux 4) Ports The first three will be new landing pages. The last one will link to the existing /porting page. Each of the platform pages will have basic system requirements and a link to the download page. They pages can grow to contain (or link to) other platform specific instructions or FAQ's. As an example, here is what the windows page might look like: http://www.openoffice.org/product/windows.html We could try to keep the other platforms in a parallel form. -Rob good idea! I like it! OK. I've uploaded template pages for MacOS and Linux: http://www.openoffice.org/product/mac.html http://www.openoffice.org/product/linux.html I really need help on filling in the details there. I don't think I've touched a Mac since 1989. And even then I was confused looking for the on button ;-) At the moment my time is a bit limited for read/write the ML. As it seems we have a consesus I can help much more on the coming weekend. So, it depends on how patient you (we all?) are. ;-) Marcus On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable10 office portable10 openoffice portable日本語版10 openoffice portable 3.410 openoffice 3.4 portable10 openoffice portable deutsch10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable10 openoffice portable 日本語10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:48 AM, sara...@upscale.in wrote: Can we make a website with automated language selector or optional language selector and over all I m not convinced really website looks great either you can incorporate bootstrap into it what do you say... I'm not very familiar with Bootstrap. Can you explain more? For example, does it require server-side processing? For performance and security reasons we have some severe restrictions on server-side processes. And for a language selector, we talked at one time about adding the Google Translate drop down on each page, to make it easier for visitors to get a page translated, but there were concerns on the poor quality of the automated translation. -Rob Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:36:07 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Reply-To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page Sorry for top posting, but I think we've discussed this enough to have a sense of what our constraints are. A quick proposal: Let's start from this page: http://www.openoffice.org/product/ That is linked to prominently from the homepage and the top navigation bar. I propose adding a new section to the left navigation panel, between Products and More. The new section will be called Platforms and will link to four pages: 1) Windows 2) Mac 3) Linux 4) Ports The first three will be new landing pages. The last one will link to the existing /porting page. Each of the platform pages will have basic system requirements and a link to the download page. They pages can grow to contain (or link to) other platform specific instructions or FAQ's. -Rob On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable 10 office portable 10 openoffice portable日本語版 10 openoffice portable 3.4 10 openoffice 3.4 portable 10 openoffice portable deutsch 10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable 10 openoffice portable 日本語 10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. -Rob Regards, Andrea.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable 10 office portable 10 openoffice portable日本語版 10 openoffice portable 3.4 10 openoffice 3.4 portable 10 openoffice portable deutsch 10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable 10 openoffice portable 日本語 10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. -Rob Regards, Andrea.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/11/2013 09:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/11/2013 12:36 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/10/2013 10:59 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/08/2013 09:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 07/01/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 01/07/2013 09:54 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ So I'd recommend either keeping the page and updating it. Or replacing it with a page that says that the Mac port is now full integrated with our releases and then link to the download page. Or put in a 401 redirect from that URL to the download page. ... OK, then I prefer to use a redirect to the download area. Sounds good. Actually, we can redirect everything under http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ to the homepage, since links on the old page include support, screenshots, downloads... all resources directly available from the project homepage. Then I would like to volunteer to try this on Sunday. Before doing this, any other opinions about the new location (http://www.openoffice.org/mac; or different ?) and its content? The components of the URL contribute to the relevancy of the page, so having mac' in the path is a good thing. I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. So there is value in thinking of optimized pages for each of the platforms. I can help write content, if others can help contribute ideas for what to cover and help review. If we put ourselves in the mind of the user making the search engine query, you can imagine that there are probably two main cases: 1) A user who knows they want to download OpenOffice for their platform. So we want to make sure the landing page as a prominent link to the download page. 2) A user who is investigating OpenOffice for their platform. They probably want to verify what versions of their platform are supported, hardware requirements, etc. If we answer their questions then they will probably want to download. I don't think we need to include release notes or install instructions, since those are mainly for users after they download. But the landing page is getting them before they download. Regards, -Rob Otherwise I assume lazy consensus and I'll create something for testing next week. Thanks Marcus Hi Marcus, I took a closer look at the data and I have some concerns from an SEO perspective. We get a large number of visits from users who query Google for terms like: openoffice for mac open office mac openoffice mac free office for mac download openoffice for mac Try these queries in your browser. See the porting page is the number one hit. For me the 2nd hit is CNet and then we start hitting malware sites. We don't get another openoffice.org web page until position #10 in the search results. If we redirect to the home page, which does not mention Mac anywhere, then the next time Google updates its index it will see that as the contents of /porting/mac and judge it to be far less relevant to queries like openoffice for mac. Does it help to leave some keywords on the /porting/mac/index.html? The the Google indexing bot recognize it, redirects then to the new webpage and we keep the search hits. If you do a redirect at the HTTP level then Google won't ever see the contents of the /porting/mac pages. It will only see the destination page's contents. You could possibly do ameta http-equiv=refresh style redirect from within the browser, but that can be a bad user experience. I thought about to do it this way. Is there a better way? So I think we should consider this carefully. Of course. Is there anything actually wrong with the /porting/mac page as it is? Ahm, besides totally outdated and no longer needed data not. ;-) When I look around there is nearly nothing that should be kept (links, screenshots, X11-- Aqua, release news about older versions, FAQs). OK. I am not a Mac person. Is there anything useful we could say about OpenOffice on the Mac? Any FAQ's? Any useful instructions? Here's an alternative idea. If the issue is that this is no longer a porting project, then maybe we could do something like this: 1) Create a new landing page for users interested in OpenOffice for Mac. Maybe it is at http://www.openoffice.org/mac. Maybe it is based on whatever is relevant still from /porting/mac. It
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
Am 01/11/2013 12:36 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/10/2013 10:59 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/08/2013 09:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 07/01/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 01/07/2013 09:54 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ So I'd recommend either keeping the page and updating it. Or replacing it with a page that says that the Mac port is now full integrated with our releases and then link to the download page. Or put in a 401 redirect from that URL to the download page. ... OK, then I prefer to use a redirect to the download area. Sounds good. Actually, we can redirect everything under http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ to the homepage, since links on the old page include support, screenshots, downloads... all resources directly available from the project homepage. Then I would like to volunteer to try this on Sunday. Hi Marcus, I took a closer look at the data and I have some concerns from an SEO perspective. We get a large number of visits from users who query Google for terms like: openoffice for mac open office mac openoffice mac free office for mac download openoffice for mac Try these queries in your browser. See the porting page is the number one hit. For me the 2nd hit is CNet and then we start hitting malware sites. We don't get another openoffice.org web page until position #10 in the search results. If we redirect to the home page, which does not mention Mac anywhere, then the next time Google updates its index it will see that as the contents of /porting/mac and judge it to be far less relevant to queries like openoffice for mac. Does it help to leave some keywords on the /porting/mac/index.html? The the Google indexing bot recognize it, redirects then to the new webpage and we keep the search hits. If you do a redirect at the HTTP level then Google won't ever see the contents of the /porting/mac pages. It will only see the destination page's contents. You could possibly do ameta http-equiv=refresh style redirect from within the browser, but that can be a bad user experience. I thought about to do it this way. Is there a better way? So I think we should consider this carefully. Of course. Is there anything actually wrong with the /porting/mac page as it is? Ahm, besides totally outdated and no longer needed data not. ;-) When I look around there is nearly nothing that should be kept (links, screenshots, X11-- Aqua, release news about older versions, FAQs). OK. I am not a Mac person. Is there anything useful we could say about OpenOffice on the Mac? Any FAQ's? Any useful instructions? Here's an alternative idea. If the issue is that this is no longer a porting project, then maybe we could do something like this: 1) Create a new landing page for users interested in OpenOffice for Mac. Maybe it is at http://www.openoffice.org/mac. Maybe it is based on whatever is relevant still from /porting/mac. It doesn't need tons of content, but enough to be relevant. 2) Redirect /porting/mac/* to /mac/index.html 3) Delete the old /porting/mac Why does a Google search behave different here? Sorry, I don't see the difference to just redirect. The redirect would work the same way. The difference is in the contents of the landing page. If we redirect to the home page, or the download page, there is almost no discussion about Mac OpenOffice. The old page, even if the content is out-of-date, is still seen as relevant. OK, so the difference is to leave the keywords on the target webpage and not on the one that is redirecting. To create http://www.openoffice.org/mac; with some content helping to keep the Google hits high and a big, visible download link (which points to the actual download webpage) should be hopefully enough. Right? PS: I want to get rid of the old content but of course not loose the Google search hits. Me too ;-) -Rob Marcus Marcus
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/11/2013 12:36 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/10/2013 10:59 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/08/2013 09:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 07/01/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 01/07/2013 09:54 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ So I'd recommend either keeping the page and updating it. Or replacing it with a page that says that the Mac port is now full integrated with our releases and then link to the download page. Or put in a 401 redirect from that URL to the download page. ... OK, then I prefer to use a redirect to the download area. Sounds good. Actually, we can redirect everything under http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ to the homepage, since links on the old page include support, screenshots, downloads... all resources directly available from the project homepage. Then I would like to volunteer to try this on Sunday. Hi Marcus, I took a closer look at the data and I have some concerns from an SEO perspective. We get a large number of visits from users who query Google for terms like: openoffice for mac open office mac openoffice mac free office for mac download openoffice for mac Try these queries in your browser. See the porting page is the number one hit. For me the 2nd hit is CNet and then we start hitting malware sites. We don't get another openoffice.org web page until position #10 in the search results. If we redirect to the home page, which does not mention Mac anywhere, then the next time Google updates its index it will see that as the contents of /porting/mac and judge it to be far less relevant to queries like openoffice for mac. Does it help to leave some keywords on the /porting/mac/index.html? The the Google indexing bot recognize it, redirects then to the new webpage and we keep the search hits. If you do a redirect at the HTTP level then Google won't ever see the contents of the /porting/mac pages. It will only see the destination page's contents. You could possibly do ameta http-equiv=refresh style redirect from within the browser, but that can be a bad user experience. I thought about to do it this way. Is there a better way? So I think we should consider this carefully. Of course. Is there anything actually wrong with the /porting/mac page as it is? Ahm, besides totally outdated and no longer needed data not. ;-) When I look around there is nearly nothing that should be kept (links, screenshots, X11-- Aqua, release news about older versions, FAQs). OK. I am not a Mac person. Is there anything useful we could say about OpenOffice on the Mac? Any FAQ's? Any useful instructions? Here's an alternative idea. If the issue is that this is no longer a porting project, then maybe we could do something like this: 1) Create a new landing page for users interested in OpenOffice for Mac. Maybe it is at http://www.openoffice.org/mac. Maybe it is based on whatever is relevant still from /porting/mac. It doesn't need tons of content, but enough to be relevant. 2) Redirect /porting/mac/* to /mac/index.html 3) Delete the old /porting/mac Why does a Google search behave different here? Sorry, I don't see the difference to just redirect. The redirect would work the same way. The difference is in the contents of the landing page. If we redirect to the home page, or the download page, there is almost no discussion about Mac OpenOffice. The old page, even if the content is out-of-date, is still seen as relevant. OK, so the difference is to leave the keywords on the target webpage and not on the one that is redirecting. Yes. To create http://www.openoffice.org/mac; with some content helping to keep the Google hits high and a big, visible download link (which points to the actual download webpage) should be hopefully enough. The current .porting/mac page isn't fancy, but it does have a central Get the latest Apache OpenOffice release for your MacOS X. with a link to the download page. I'd keep it simple. What is the minimum amount of information a Mac user needs to know? Maybe, what versions of MacOS are supported? Maybe anything special to know about installing with Lion security? That plus a download link. Regards, -Rob Right? PS: I want to get rid of the old content but of course not loose the Google search hits. Me too ;-) -Rob Marcus Marcus
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
Am 01/10/2013 10:59 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/08/2013 09:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 07/01/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 01/07/2013 09:54 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ So I'd recommend either keeping the page and updating it. Or replacing it with a page that says that the Mac port is now full integrated with our releases and then link to the download page. Or put in a 401 redirect from that URL to the download page. ... OK, then I prefer to use a redirect to the download area. Sounds good. Actually, we can redirect everything under http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ to the homepage, since links on the old page include support, screenshots, downloads... all resources directly available from the project homepage. Then I would like to volunteer to try this on Sunday. Hi Marcus, I took a closer look at the data and I have some concerns from an SEO perspective. We get a large number of visits from users who query Google for terms like: openoffice for mac open office mac openoffice mac free office for mac download openoffice for mac Try these queries in your browser. See the porting page is the number one hit. For me the 2nd hit is CNet and then we start hitting malware sites. We don't get another openoffice.org web page until position #10 in the search results. If we redirect to the home page, which does not mention Mac anywhere, then the next time Google updates its index it will see that as the contents of /porting/mac and judge it to be far less relevant to queries like openoffice for mac. Does it help to leave some keywords on the /porting/mac/index.html? The the Google indexing bot recognize it, redirects then to the new webpage and we keep the search hits. So I think we should consider this carefully. Of course. Is there anything actually wrong with the /porting/mac page as it is? Ahm, besides totally outdated and no longer needed data not. ;-) When I look around there is nearly nothing that should be kept (links, screenshots, X11 -- Aqua, release news about older versions, FAQs). Here's an alternative idea. If the issue is that this is no longer a porting project, then maybe we could do something like this: 1) Create a new landing page for users interested in OpenOffice for Mac. Maybe it is at http://www.openoffice.org/mac. Maybe it is based on whatever is relevant still from /porting/mac. It doesn't need tons of content, but enough to be relevant. 2) Redirect /porting/mac/* to /mac/index.html 3) Delete the old /porting/mac Why does a Google search behave different here? Sorry, I don't see the difference to just redirect. PS: I want to get rid of the old content but of course not loose the Google search hits. Marcus
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/10/2013 10:59 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/08/2013 09:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 07/01/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 01/07/2013 09:54 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ So I'd recommend either keeping the page and updating it. Or replacing it with a page that says that the Mac port is now full integrated with our releases and then link to the download page. Or put in a 401 redirect from that URL to the download page. ... OK, then I prefer to use a redirect to the download area. Sounds good. Actually, we can redirect everything under http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ to the homepage, since links on the old page include support, screenshots, downloads... all resources directly available from the project homepage. Then I would like to volunteer to try this on Sunday. Hi Marcus, I took a closer look at the data and I have some concerns from an SEO perspective. We get a large number of visits from users who query Google for terms like: openoffice for mac open office mac openoffice mac free office for mac download openoffice for mac Try these queries in your browser. See the porting page is the number one hit. For me the 2nd hit is CNet and then we start hitting malware sites. We don't get another openoffice.org web page until position #10 in the search results. If we redirect to the home page, which does not mention Mac anywhere, then the next time Google updates its index it will see that as the contents of /porting/mac and judge it to be far less relevant to queries like openoffice for mac. Does it help to leave some keywords on the /porting/mac/index.html? The the Google indexing bot recognize it, redirects then to the new webpage and we keep the search hits. If you do a redirect at the HTTP level then Google won't ever see the contents of the /porting/mac pages. It will only see the destination page's contents. You could possibly do a meta http-equiv=refresh style redirect from within the browser, but that can be a bad user experience. So I think we should consider this carefully. Of course. Is there anything actually wrong with the /porting/mac page as it is? Ahm, besides totally outdated and no longer needed data not. ;-) When I look around there is nearly nothing that should be kept (links, screenshots, X11 -- Aqua, release news about older versions, FAQs). OK. I am not a Mac person. Is there anything useful we could say about OpenOffice on the Mac? Any FAQ's? Any useful instructions? Here's an alternative idea. If the issue is that this is no longer a porting project, then maybe we could do something like this: 1) Create a new landing page for users interested in OpenOffice for Mac. Maybe it is at http://www.openoffice.org/mac. Maybe it is based on whatever is relevant still from /porting/mac. It doesn't need tons of content, but enough to be relevant. 2) Redirect /porting/mac/* to /mac/index.html 3) Delete the old /porting/mac Why does a Google search behave different here? Sorry, I don't see the difference to just redirect. The redirect would work the same way. The difference is in the contents of the landing page. If we redirect to the home page, or the download page, there is almost no discussion about Mac OpenOffice. The old page, even if the content is out-of-date, is still seen as relevant. PS: I want to get rid of the old content but of course not loose the Google search hits. Me too ;-) -Rob Marcus
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On 07/01/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 01/07/2013 09:54 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ So I'd recommend either keeping the page and updating it. Or replacing it with a page that says that the Mac port is now full integrated with our releases and then link to the download page. Or put in a 401 redirect from that URL to the download page. ... OK, then I prefer to use a redirect to the download area. Sounds good. Actually, we can redirect everything under http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ to the homepage, since links on the old page include support, screenshots, downloads... all resources directly available from the project homepage. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
Am 01/05/2013 08:36 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Carl Marcum wrote: while searching for install instructions for mac I found a broken link on this page: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/faq/installing/ooo.html link points to: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/download/index.html Thanks, fixed. I've also removed some very outdated information (actually the whole section is outdated, Mac OS X is a supported platform and no longer a port). When this website and its subpages are outdated and MacOS X is indeed since a longer time a well-supported and major platform, does it then make sense to keep these webpages as part of porting? I doubt this and suggest to delete the complete http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/; stuff. Marcus
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/05/2013 08:36 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Carl Marcum wrote: while searching for install instructions for mac I found a broken link on this page: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/faq/installing/ooo.html link points to: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/download/index.html Thanks, fixed. I've also removed some very outdated information (actually the whole section is outdated, Mac OS X is a supported platform and no longer a port). When this website and its subpages are outdated and MacOS X is indeed since a longer time a well-supported and major platform, does it then make sense to keep these webpages as part of porting? I doubt this and suggest to delete the complete http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/; stuff. We need to be careful. This is actually a very popular page with many 3rd party websites linking to it and around 4000 visits/day. It is also the top link for Google queries like openoffice for mac. So I'd recommend either keeping the page and updating it. Or replacing it with a page that says that the Mac port is now full integrated with our releases and then link to the download page. Or put in a 401 redirect from that URL to the download page. But it is well-trafficked enough that we can't have the URL vanish. -Rob Marcus
