Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
Hi Rob,
On 27.09.2013 17:51, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote:
Hi Rob,
On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could
be unstable across different renders engine.
--
And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So
I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of
having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
use that.
There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to
polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work
for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different
languages and installed fonts.
That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges
getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't
think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've
gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works.
And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones
and tablets as well.
And finally, converting to polygons in advance prevents the TrueType
engines from doing its best job at rendering the font hinting at
various scales. Compare it yourself. Take 12-point text, convert to
polygons and then scale up (or down) the polygons. Then try again
with an actual font reference. It might vary by font, but a
well-designed font will render much better if you do not convert to
polygons first.
Lot of arguments, and all somewhat applyable. Do not forget that the
alternative suggestion was to provide pre-rendered bitmaps. If you
compare that approach with SVG containing polygons I think the latter
will be superior in all aspects (size, quality, scalability).
If the various SVG reneders would render fonts the same on all systems
we would not have a problem. They do not. Polygons are rendered the same
on all systems. Font hinting may be lost, but do not forget that
'retina' displays and higher DPIs in general will make that 'trick' less
important over time.
Also, we are not talking about convincing people to do intense text
editing without font hinting, it's a logo and only two letters ('TM')
are small enough to profit from text hinting.
Sincerely,
Armin
BTW: For experimental test purposes I made a primitive renderer which
does not even support fonts at all, thus all text in the edit view is
rendered as polygons with sub-pixel AAing, and it does not look bad at
all...
-Rob
-Rob
Sincerely,
Armin
-Rob
Sent from my Nokia N900
On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
But a note:
The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without
serifs, at an official logo should not be.
Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
Commons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg
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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.comwrote:
Hi Rob,
On 27.09.2013 17:51, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com
wrote:
Hi Rob,
On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
wrote:
My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos
could
be unstable across different renders engine.
--
And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So
I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of
having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
use that.
There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all
text to
polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not
work
for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl.
different
languages and installed fonts.
That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges
getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't
think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've
gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works.
And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones
and tablets as well.
And finally, converting to polygons in advance prevents the TrueType
engines from doing its best job at rendering the font hinting at
various scales. Compare it yourself. Take 12-point text, convert to
polygons and then scale up (or down) the polygons. Then try again
with an actual font reference. It might vary by font, but a
well-designed font will render much better if you do not convert to
polygons first.
Lot of arguments, and all somewhat applyable. Do not forget that the
alternative suggestion was to provide pre-rendered bitmaps. If you compare
that approach with SVG containing polygons I think the latter will be
superior in all aspects (size, quality, scalability).
If the various SVG reneders would render fonts the same on all systems we
would not have a problem. They do not. Polygons are rendered the same on
all systems. Font hinting may be lost, but do not forget that 'retina'
displays and higher DPIs in general will make that 'trick' less important
over time.
Also, we are not talking about convincing people to do intense text
editing without font hinting, it's a logo and only two letters ('TM') are
small enough to profit from text hinting.
Sincerely,
Armin
BTW: For experimental test purposes I made a primitive renderer which does
not even support fonts at all, thus all text in the edit view is rendered
as polygons with sub-pixel AAing, and it does not look bad at all...
Please look on my site for an SVG source
http://people.apache.org/~jza/index.html
The source is:
div id=bannerlefta title=Apache OpenOffice href=/img
id=ooo-logo alt=Apache OpenOffice src=svg/logo.svg//a/div
I've don't see any issues under firefox/opera althought konqueror couldnt
display it on the current version.
Safari Chrome and IE 10 works pretty ok, only big issue is the spacing
between the img / and the title text. There are fallbacks techniques for
old browsers to get the PNG like the following CSS workaround
.ooo-logo {
background: url(svg/logo.png) no-repeat 0px 0px;
background: rgba(0,0,0,0) url(svg/logo.svg) no-repeat 0px 0px;
}
http://tobias.is/geeky/webperf/cross-browser-css-technique-for-svg-sprites-with-png-fallback/
I also have many comments on the HTML since there seem to be 'tagless'
making it very SEO unfriendly. For example, the slogan the free
productivity suite is a plain text wrapped around a div:bannercenter and
what it seems a useless br / as opposed to increase the padding-top 39pt
at the ooo.css (like 40).
HTML5 also introduce new tags like header, sections, article,
footer and nav.
-Rob
-Rob
Sincerely,
Armin
-Rob
Sent from my Nokia N900
On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
wrote:
But a note:
The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once
without
serifs, at an official logo should not be.
Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
Commons:
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
Hi Alexandro,
On 30.09.2013 11:54, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.comwrote:
Hi Rob,
On 27.09.2013 17:51, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com
wrote:
Hi Rob,
On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
wrote:
My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos
could
be unstable across different renders engine.
--
And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So
I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of
having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
use that.
There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all
text to
polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not
work
for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl.
different
languages and installed fonts.
That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges
getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't
think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've
gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works.
And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones
and tablets as well.
And finally, converting to polygons in advance prevents the TrueType
engines from doing its best job at rendering the font hinting at
various scales. Compare it yourself. Take 12-point text, convert to
polygons and then scale up (or down) the polygons. Then try again
with an actual font reference. It might vary by font, but a
well-designed font will render much better if you do not convert to
polygons first.
Lot of arguments, and all somewhat applyable. Do not forget that the
alternative suggestion was to provide pre-rendered bitmaps. If you compare
that approach with SVG containing polygons I think the latter will be
superior in all aspects (size, quality, scalability).
If the various SVG reneders would render fonts the same on all systems we
would not have a problem. They do not. Polygons are rendered the same on
all systems. Font hinting may be lost, but do not forget that 'retina'
displays and higher DPIs in general will make that 'trick' less important
over time.
Also, we are not talking about convincing people to do intense text
editing without font hinting, it's a logo and only two letters ('TM') are
small enough to profit from text hinting.
Sincerely,
Armin
BTW: For experimental test purposes I made a primitive renderer which does
not even support fonts at all, thus all text in the edit view is rendered
as polygons with sub-pixel AAing, and it does not look bad at all...
Please look on my site for an SVG source
http://people.apache.org/~jza/index.html
The source is:
div id=bannerlefta title=Apache OpenOffice href=/img
id=ooo-logo alt=Apache OpenOffice src=svg/logo.svg//a/div
I took a look, and all is cleanly converted to polygons. It does look
good in Mozilla browser, the small 'TM' looks nice, too.
Maybe change paths to absolute (setting is in inscape prefs, need to
move all once to touch it and save), also remove the 'sodipodi' stuff
(inkscape internal) from the SVG to make it ca. half the file size.
I've don't see any issues under firefox/opera althought konqueror couldnt
display it on the current version.
Safari Chrome and IE 10 works pretty ok, only big issue is the spacing
between the img / and the title text. There are fallbacks techniques for
old browsers to get the PNG like the following CSS workaround
.ooo-logo {
background: url(svg/logo.png) no-repeat 0px 0px;
background: rgba(0,0,0,0) url(svg/logo.svg) no-repeat 0px 0px;
}
http://tobias.is/geeky/webperf/cross-browser-css-technique-for-svg-sprites-with-png-fallback/
I also have many comments on the HTML since there seem to be 'tagless'
making it very SEO unfriendly. For example, the slogan the free
productivity suite is a plain text wrapped around a div:bannercenter and
what it seems a useless br / as opposed to increase the padding-top 39pt
at the ooo.css (like 40).
HTML5 also introduce new tags like header, sections, article,
footer and nav.
-Rob
-Rob
Sincerely,
Armin
-Rob
Sent from my Nokia N900
On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
Hello, -Original Message- From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Can you please test again? Yes. The problem is still present. See screenshot: http://calc-info.de/files/Logo%20display%20error.png Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
Seems to be a pretty odd bug and relies on the browser, I have a sample using Opera, Firefox and Konqueror. http://imagebin.org/272253 As you can see konqueror display the same issue, once I zoom out the logo was displayed correctly. So it has to do with the browser itself. Strangely enough Firefox had no issues. Please play around with the Zoom +/-. On 9/29/13, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, -Original Message- From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Can you please test again? Yes. The problem is still present. See screenshot: http://calc-info.de/files/Logo%20display%20error.png Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:41 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format? Seems to be a pretty odd bug and relies on the browser, I have a sample using Opera, Firefox and Konqueror. http://imagebin.org/272253 As you can see konqueror display the same issue, once I zoom out the logo was displayed correctly. So it has to do with the browser itself. Strangely enough Firefox had no issues. Please play around with the Zoom +/-. No, this has no effect here (FF 16.0.2, Windows 7). Note: I hope you understand my concern, because I know for example FF 16.0.2 is an old version. (So I could update.) It seemed however important to draw attention to the problem (the representation of the logo in the browser) itself. However, it is for me, personally, not a serious problem. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On 9/29/13, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:41 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format? Seems to be a pretty odd bug and relies on the browser, I have a sample using Opera, Firefox and Konqueror. http://imagebin.org/272253 As you can see konqueror display the same issue, once I zoom out the logo was displayed correctly. So it has to do with the browser itself. Strangely enough Firefox had no issues. Please play around with the Zoom +/-. No, this has no effect here (FF 16.0.2, Windows 7). Note: I hope you understand my concern, because I know for example FF 16.0.2 is an old version. (So I could update.) It seemed however important to draw attention to the problem (the representation of the logo in the browser) itself. However, it is for me, personally, not a serious problem. I'm planning to do a mockup in SVG for the AOO site, you can see it here (no svg yet) http://people.apache.org/~jza/index.html Hopefully tomorrow I'll have it. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On 9/29/13, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:41 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format? Seems to be a pretty odd bug and relies on the browser, I have a sample using Opera, Firefox and Konqueror. http://imagebin.org/272253 As you can see konqueror display the same issue, once I zoom out the logo was displayed correctly. So it has to do with the browser itself. Strangely enough Firefox had no issues. Please play around with the Zoom +/-. No, this has no effect here (FF 16.0.2, Windows 7). Note: I hope you understand my concern, because I know for example FF 16.0.2 is an old version. (So I could update.) It seemed however important to draw attention to the problem (the representation of the logo in the browser) itself. However, it is for me, personally, not a serious problem. By the way on your screenshot there were 2 issues, one was the Canvas issue, the other was the change of fonts on TM. I hope moving to nodes, the latter was solved on IE. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 9/29/13, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:41 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format? Seems to be a pretty odd bug and relies on the browser, I have a sample using Opera, Firefox and Konqueror. http://imagebin.org/272253 As you can see konqueror display the same issue, once I zoom out the logo was displayed correctly. So it has to do with the browser itself. Strangely enough Firefox had no issues. Please play around with the Zoom +/-. No, this has no effect here (FF 16.0.2, Windows 7). Note: I hope you understand my concern, because I know for example FF 16.0.2 is an old version. (So I could update.) It seemed however important to draw attention to the problem (the representation of the logo in the browser) itself. However, it is for me, personally, not a serious problem. I'm planning to do a mockup in SVG for the AOO site, you can see it here (no svg yet) http://people.apache.org/~jza/index.html Hopefully tomorrow I'll have it. Can I ask what you mean by this? You are planning on just a mockup for discussion right? I hope you're not planning on actually changing the look of the website tomorrow. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't. -- Following the Equator, Mark Twain
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:41 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format? Seems to be a pretty odd bug and relies on the browser, I have a sample using Opera, Firefox and Konqueror. http://imagebin.org/272253 As you can see konqueror display the same issue, once I zoom out the logo was displayed correctly. So it has to do with the browser itself. Strangely enough Firefox had no issues. Please play around with the Zoom +/-. No, this has no effect here (FF 16.0.2, Windows 7). Note: I hope you understand my concern, because I know for example FF 16.0.2 is an old version. (So I could update.) It seemed however important to draw attention to the problem (the representation of the logo in the browser) itself. However, it is for me, personally, not a serious problem. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org The svg that was used to generate the current web site logo (and which renders fine for me in both FF 24 and Konquerer) is in a non-web accessible svn area: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim.svg?view=log Maybe this will work better for your needs. -- - MzK Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't. -- Following the Equator, Mark Twain
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
Hi Rob, I agree with you on the source vs shared distinction of a logo and that is precisely why PNG is good for sharing and why SVG, after changing from font text to path [polygons] is also good. One good SVG, as graphic, covers many PNG files for others to use to get top quality results in their work - IMO //drew On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Rob, On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and use that. There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different languages and installed fonts. That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E. 6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works. I think you are confusing the render on the browser with using this as a web design element. SVG have been around for ages, the fact that this user asked for a vectorized version (to use for whatever reason) and he happen to notice an issue on the browser, doesnt mean his intentions is to put it on the page. It is a reasonable assumption that the mention of the rendering on the browser was not unrelated. That said, I strongly think we should switch to SVG, natively, is much smaller, and more open. PNG = ISO/IEC 15948. So it is an open standard as well. As for encouraging the propagation of our logo in an easily reusable vector format, I don't agree with that. I think we should keep the source to the logo rather controlled and make raster versions of it available for approved purposes. -Rob There are also many fallback libraries like svg.js and modernizr for older browser. IE6 1% of the market. I think we have bigger issues that are not working on the site than 1% of the visits. -Rob Sincerely, Armin -Rob Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:43 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format? There is one here: http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/main/a oo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg Thank you. But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Can you please test again? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
hi friends, I would love to contribute, How can I start?? I am familiar with java,c and C# languages Thank you On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.dewrote: Hello, I need a scalable format of the new AOO4 logo, where can I find it? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Akshika Wijesundara Department of Computer Science Engineering University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka,
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
Hi please read the intro module on development, download the source code and try to compile Apache OpenOffice. After that there are some small hack tutorials which need some updating but still would be a good place to fix them. Here are the links: http://openoffice.apache.org/source.html http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Using_Cpp_with_the_OOo_SDK On 9/29/13, akshika akalanka akshikaakala...@gmail.com wrote: hi friends, I would love to contribute, How can I start?? I am familiar with java,c and C# languages Thank you On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.dewrote: Hello, I need a scalable format of the new AOO4 logo, where can I find it? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Akshika Wijesundara Department of Computer Science Engineering University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka, -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
thank u very much, On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Hi please read the intro module on development, download the source code and try to compile Apache OpenOffice. After that there are some small hack tutorials which need some updating but still would be a good place to fix them. Here are the links: http://openoffice.apache.org/source.html http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Using_Cpp_with_the_OOo_SDK On 9/29/13, akshika akalanka akshikaakala...@gmail.com wrote: hi friends, I would love to contribute, How can I start?? I am familiar with java,c and C# languages Thank you On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.dewrote: Hello, I need a scalable format of the new AOO4 logo, where can I find it? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Akshika Wijesundara Department of Computer Science Engineering University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka, -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Akshika Wijesundara Department of Computer Science Engineering University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka,
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
There is one here: http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/main/aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg On 9/27/13, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, I need a scalable format of the new AOO4 logo, where can I find it? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
Hello, From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:43 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format? There is one here: http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/main/a oo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg Thank you. But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On 27 September 2013 10:11, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg For http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/main/aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg I get the same display artifact in Opera 12.16 / Chrome 29.0.1547.76 m / and Firefox 23.0.1 However the Wikipedia logo looks OK to me in all 3 browsers, so there is something else happening here. IE 8 does not seem to want to display SVG for me. - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
Hi Rob, On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and use that. There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different languages and installed fonts. Sincerely, Armin -Rob Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Rob, On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and use that. There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different languages and installed fonts. That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E. 6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works. -Rob Sincerely, Armin -Rob Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Rob, On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and use that. There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different languages and installed fonts. That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E. 6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works. And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones and tablets as well. -Rob Sincerely, Armin -Rob Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Rob, On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and use that. There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different languages and installed fonts. That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E. 6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works. And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones and tablets as well. And finally, converting to polygons in advance prevents the TrueType engines from doing its best job at rendering the font hinting at various scales. Compare it yourself. Take 12-point text, convert to polygons and then scale up (or down) the polygons. Then try again with an actual font reference. It might vary by font, but a well-designed font will render much better if you do not convert to polygons first. -Rob -Rob Sincerely, Armin -Rob Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Rob, On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and use that. There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different languages and installed fonts. That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E. 6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works. I think you are confusing the render on the browser with using this as a web design element. SVG have been around for ages, the fact that this user asked for a vectorized version (to use for whatever reason) and he happen to notice an issue on the browser, doesnt mean his intentions is to put it on the page. That said, I strongly think we should switch to SVG, natively, is much smaller, and more open. There are also many fallback libraries like svg.js and modernizr for older browser. IE6 1% of the market. I think we have bigger issues that are not working on the site than 1% of the visits. -Rob Sincerely, Armin -Rob Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Rob, On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and use that. There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different languages and installed fonts. That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E. 6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works. And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones and tablets as well. And finally, converting to polygons in advance prevents the TrueType engines from doing its best job at rendering the font hinting at various scales. Compare it yourself. Take 12-point text, convert to polygons and then scale up (or down) the polygons. Then try again with an actual font reference. It might vary by font, but a well-designed font will render much better if you do not convert to polygons first. Umm.. I havent heard this before but AFAIK most fonts are developed on SVG now. Fontforge uses as a core filetype to quote an example. -Rob -Rob Sincerely, Armin -Rob Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Rob, On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and use that. There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different languages and installed fonts. That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E. 6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works. I think you are confusing the render on the browser with using this as a web design element. SVG have been around for ages, the fact that this user asked for a vectorized version (to use for whatever reason) and he happen to notice an issue on the browser, doesnt mean his intentions is to put it on the page. It is a reasonable assumption that the mention of the rendering on the browser was not unrelated. That said, I strongly think we should switch to SVG, natively, is much smaller, and more open. PNG = ISO/IEC 15948. So it is an open standard as well. As for encouraging the propagation of our logo in an easily reusable vector format, I don't agree with that. I think we should keep the source to the logo rather controlled and make raster versions of it available for approved purposes. -Rob There are also many fallback libraries like svg.js and modernizr for older browser. IE6 1% of the market. I think we have bigger issues that are not working on the site than 1% of the visits. -Rob Sincerely, Armin -Rob Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Rob, On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be unstable across different renders engine. -- And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6. So I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or anywhere else we expect random users to visit. There are ways of having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and use that. There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different languages and installed fonts. That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E. 6? Will the logo render perfectly everywhere? We have challenges getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere. I don't think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly. We've gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website. It works. And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones and tablets as well. And finally, converting to polygons in advance prevents the TrueType engines from doing its best job at rendering the font hinting at various scales. Compare it yourself. Take 12-point text, convert to polygons and then scale up (or down) the polygons. Then try again with an actual font reference. It might vary by font, but a well-designed font will render much better if you do not convert to polygons first. Umm.. I havent heard this before but AFAIK most fonts are developed on SVG now. Fontforge uses as a core filetype to quote an example. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_hinting Whether the font was designed in SVG is not relevant. Font hinting occurs at another level. It is the extra instructions that tell the font renderer that a 8pt font, a 24 pt font and a 80 pt font are not linear scalings of each other. -Rob -Rob -Rob Sincerely, Armin -Rob Sent from my Nokia N900 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: But a note: The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official logo should not be. Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, I need a scalable format of the new AOO4 logo, where can I find it? Hi Jörg , could you say some more about what you want to do with the logo, so we can make sure we get you what you need? Is this for the PrOOoBox? -Rob Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
Hello Rob, From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Hi Jörg , could you say some more about what you want to do with the logo, so we can make sure we get you what you need? Is this for the PrOOoBox? There are several reasons: First, yes it is for the PrOOo box, for a new Cover. Second, I want to print some 3D-stickers to give it away. (e.g. on our AOO Stammtisch [1] or as a give-away to some friends and acquaintances) Greetings, Jörg [1] See: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/DE-AOO/Stammtische I do not know what Stammtisch in english is called. In Germany, Stammtisch is the term for a specific table in a restaurant or for a meeting of insiders on a specific topic. The latter meaning is intended here. See wikipedia (sorry, german): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stammtisch - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
