Re: [OSM-dev] curves

2008-01-04 Thread bvh
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 03:02:15PM +, Artem Pavlenko wrote: What I could see working is something like this : we define a standard interpolation method that turns a set of point into a sucession of bezier curves. (for an example see

Re: [OSM-dev] disputed areas

2008-02-10 Thread bvh
On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 01:10:14PM +0100, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: This is beginning to get rather messy. TBH as a community not rendering the area in question is the only bargaining chip we have. Or slightly less extreme solution, drop the rendering of names. At the end of the day

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread bvh
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 02:44:06PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: The only thing I'd ask of editors is to support create_changeset and then use the ID returned on subsequent edits. This, I believe, is a small price to pay for the grouping advantages we would get. Automatically creating one

Re: [OSM-dev] Advice sought on polygon-with-hole drawing

2008-03-14 Thread bvh
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 02:06:04AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Merkaartor fully supports them (both in editing and rendering) Good to know. So for a lake with an island, Merkaartor only requires tags on the relation, and neither on the lake circumference way nor on the island circumference

Re: [OSM-dev] Advice sought on polygon-with-hole drawing

2008-03-15 Thread bvh
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 03:32:45PM +, 80n wrote: Sometimes this is unavoidable. Consider a commercial area (landuse=commercial) surrounded by a residential area (landuse=residential). It's not possible to create a single way that can be used as the boundary for both these features as

Re: [OSM-dev] API returns 401 on valid credentials?

2008-03-23 Thread bvh
Just to add some information : I got this 401 on deleting a node, but when I redownloaded the area, the node was gone. So it seems that the operation did go through correctly... cu bart On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 09:29:49AM +0100, bvh wrote: I am sometimes seeing 401 errors returned by the API

[OSM-dev] Yahoo imagery usage in Merkaartor : ok requested

2008-04-24 Thread bvh
Chris Browet has been working on getting Yahoo map support in Merkaartor. His first implementation downloaded tiles directly from Yahoo. On advice from the OSM community we disabled this since it was felt this would go against the Terms of Usage of Yahoo : we had to use the flash of javascript API

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread bvh
On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 03:37:57PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The other one is that it would be good if the getway call, in Just curious : what does this call actually do in fact? cu bart ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-dev] 0.6 api - same story

2008-05-04 Thread bvh
OK, it seems yesterday a page went live on the wiki with a proposal for the 0.6 api. It is advertised as going live half may and seems to propose significant changesi with the disregard for the needs for non-JOSM api users (potlatch is mentioned, for a change). This time around the process

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 api - same story

2008-05-05 Thread bvh
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: I agree that going forward is the right thing to do, but I also agree with bvh that the announcement was made a bit clumsy in that it would have been nice to mail a list of proposed changes to dev, rather than put up a wiki page

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 api - one more time

2008-05-05 Thread bvh
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:48:51AM -0400, Christopher Schmidt wrote: Based on my reading, there is only one aspect of the changes in the API that forces backwards incompabitibility: the requirement for the client to generate a changeset before uploading and provide that changeset identifier.

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 api - one more time

2008-05-05 Thread bvh
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 07:05:01PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: In other words, I think it's easier to get clients to support both versions, than it is to get the server to support both. That would be doable. Is there a 0.6 server instance running against we can test and develop this?

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6

2008-05-06 Thread bvh
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 09:25:24AM +0100, SteveC wrote: Without reference to the ongoing debate or the changeset stuff, is there anything else that should be put in 0.6? Probably a good idea to talk about it now. Well, since 0.6 is all about giving us some tools to deal with vandalism, has

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 - older trackpoints /was: Re: 0.6

2008-05-07 Thread bvh
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 08:47:29AM +0200, Stefan Baebler wrote: I propose to introduce the ability to limit the age of trackpoints downloaded into the client by introducing an extra parameter age, eg: GET /api/0.6/trackpoints?bbox=left,bottom,right,topage=ageInDayspage=pageNumber +1!

Re: [OSM-dev] Stable, professional OSM - no thanks (was: 0.6 api - one more time)

2008-05-11 Thread bvh
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:05:28PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Look at how fossilized big projects like Debian have become, where every slightest move requires ages just because they want to be stable, professional, respect the established user base and so on. That is a strawman. No one has

Re: [OSM-dev] api06 server running on dev

2008-05-12 Thread bvh
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 07:35:57PM -0400, Christopher Schmidt wrote: I've now got an api06 server running on dev: http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ This should let any client developers test against a server that should be up/accessible from anywhere (and isn't hosted on my home

Re: [OSM-dev] deleting nodes/ways that are members of relations

2008-05-12 Thread bvh
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 09:55:22PM -0400, Christopher Schmidt wrote: It looks like the main API and Potlatch have different ideas of what should be done when a node is deleted which is a member of a way or relation. Potlatch deletes the node from any way or relation that it is a member of: the

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-14 Thread bvh
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 02:43:19PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: You _don't know_ where the edge of the rendered road will be but that it'll lie within a certain zone. Thus you infect the edge of the abutted area with that uncertainty, and for most buildings, fields, residential

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-14 Thread bvh
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 04:41:34PM +0200, Marcus Wolschon wrote: GPS-devices are very, very good at providing correct coordinates relative to the rest of the track. They are getting good at giving the same coordinates twice, when walking the same road again a few days later. Thus small

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6: Attribute Naming, version on nd?

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 08:21:45PM -0400, Christopher Schmidt wrote: There is one other new-style piece of information which is only applicable to changeset-uploading: the 'old id', the placeholder ID with which 'create' objects were uploaded. I think that 'old_id' is appropriate for this.

Re: [OSM-dev] DELETE + body not commonly implemented

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 09:20:57PM -0400, Christopher Schmidt wrote: One of the bigger changes in the 0.6 API from an implementation perspective for clients may well be the use of a content body on DELETE requests. kleptog found that to be the most difficult part of implementing the

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 08:30:08AM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: So, we specced out what you would need for a changeset download, invented old_version and new_version and then used old_version everywhere we needed it. If we do it your way then we would get old_version and version for

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 09:10:42AM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: I'm not talking abot diff upload responses, I'm talking about changeset downloads. Say I note that object 123 was modified in changeset 456 six weeks ago. And I go to the API and say: show me everything done in changeset

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 09:02:04AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: But isn't old_version+1 always equal to version? Under the current plan, yes. We didn't think it was reasonable to push that assumption down to the clients thought. Why would that be unreasonable? In what (futuristic) scenario would

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:31:13AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Under the current plan, yes. We didn't think it was reasonable to push that assumption down to the clients thought. Why would that be unreasonable? In what (futuristic) scenario would version numbers not increment monotonically

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:02:39PM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:31:13AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: It is also possible to change the same object multiple times within the same changeset, so one single changeset might catapult the object version from 1 to 15. Is

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:18:30AM -0400, Christopher Schmidt wrote: But one of them will be accepted first and the other will later be judged as sufficiently different, right? So the actually history in the database will have two transitions, one from v1 to v2 and the other from v2 to v3.

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 01:26:56PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: The most usable type of response for the user would certainly be: As a result of this changeset, Object X was changed from state A to state B. As a user, I am not interested in the 318 intermediate editing steps; I want to

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-15 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 02:20:42PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: If you wanted raw access, then you can have it - just download the history of every object. You can do that even now. Changesets are introduced to lessen the complexity. We want one big edit, ideally associated with a comment

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-16 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 05:45:22PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: I was not aware this is also a server load issue. And frankly if this is about server load then there are better ways to mitigate that like rewriting the map call as a C/C++ apache module... The map call is not involved. No,

Re: [OSM-dev] 0.6 API clarifications and corrections

2008-05-16 Thread bvh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 06:45:01PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Out of interest, why's that a bad thing? We have several editors, for example: each of them works differently and presents information differently. Why do we have to have One True Rollback? We have enough trouble as it is

[OSM-dev] Delete node crashes 0.6 rails

2008-05-20 Thread bvh
Hi, deleting a node on the api06 instance that crschmidt is running on dev results in a 500 internal server error. The log file (~crschmidt/api06/log/development.log) complains about ActionController::MissingTemplate (Missing template node/delete.html.erb in view path

[OSM-dev] Hosting documentation for OSM related projects

2008-07-11 Thread bvh
Hi, The current 'documentation' for merkaartor is just some bunch of static html files that I host on my personal website. As a result it is badly lacking. Sven Lanke approached me with the idea to keep the documentation inside subversion, which then gets checked out on the web server so that it

Re: [OSM-dev] Hosting documentation for OSM related projects

2008-07-12 Thread bvh
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 07:20:15PM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: The current 'documentation' for merkaartor is just some bunch of static html files that I host on my personal website. As a result it is badly lacking. Sven Lanke approached me with the idea to keep the documentation inside

Re: [OSM-dev] Daily Diff parsing - tile expiring

2008-08-21 Thread bvh
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:26:22AM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: As you might have guessed both solutions do not work. Or at least not good enough for my taste. I would like a simple (or at least fast) solution. As part of a new namefinder (not completed yet), I've written a custom

Re: [OSM-dev] Garmin GPX madness

2008-09-22 Thread bvh
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:10:40PM +0100, David Earl wrote: This is the first discussion I can remember on these lists about this issue. There's no flashing lights on the website that says the info from Garmin receivers is lacking. You've only mentioned vaguely algorithms exist to make use

Re: [OSM-dev] way 7062297, is this new?

2008-10-09 Thread bvh
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 04:34:37PM +1000, Hugh Barnes wrote: Spurred on by this, I tried it in Merkaartor. The UI accepted my input and I assumed all was good. I just remembered to follow this up and it appears the data didn't make it. Possibly the last occurrence of the tag in the app was