Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[apache]

 and preparing to
ship the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
community to get back on its feet.



Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more
this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.



There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major
moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.



To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows
this direction.



So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the
Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.



Thanks!

Benjamin



--
http://bigbluehat.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung



From: apache<mailto:sblack...@apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
To: Ate Douma<mailto:a...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
<mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: gene...@incubator.apache.org<mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic



On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for
social web
> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught
me a
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as
Ate
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and
has all
> but disappeared in 2016.
>
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer
as a
> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants
I can
> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it
should be
> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>
Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does
look
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.


Thanks for saying so. There has been a lot of good work from the
committers involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine
Apache
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but
also
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!


Thanks for saying so. I’m not going anywhere. #bigdata is what I do and
ASF is where it happens.

> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.

I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which
if OK
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
release for Apache Stream.
Thanks.



I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org

Kind regards, Ate

>
> Steve Blackmon
> sblack...@apache.org
>
> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu
> <mailto:a...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk
last week
>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>> >
>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about
the
>> > Streams project.
>>
>> Good to hear that!
>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>
>> >
>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>
>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and
rally some
>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to
postpone/cancel
>> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>
>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
>> what you can and will do for the project,

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Suneel Marthi]

Thanks, will follow up on general@

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:

> On 2016-09-23 17:50, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>
>> I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to
>> dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in
>> 4
>> other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and
>> help
>> steer this to TLP.
>>
>
> That is a great offer Suneel and I'd welcome you to become mentor of Apache
> Streams.
>
> Not sure about the proper process for this, but I think all this requires
> is
> that you say so (or at least request) on general@ and we then can add you
> to the project status page [1]
>
> Ate
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/streams.html
>
>
>> Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week
>> btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ
>>
>
> Cool, I'll watch it later this weekend.
> @Steve: might it be useful to put a link on the Streams website?
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young > <mailto:byo...@bigbluehat.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s
>> face-to-face
>> meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams
>> 2.0:
>>
>> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing
>> to ship
>> the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
>> community to get back on its feet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done
>> more
>> this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
>> presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice
>> versa.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
>> activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a
>> major
>> moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>>
>>
>>
>> To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
>> Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C
>> arrows
>> this direction.
>>
>>
>>
>> So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with
>> the
>> Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Benjamin
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://bigbluehat.com/
>> http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung <http://linkedin.com/in/benjam
>> inyoung>
>>
>>
>>
>>     From: apache<mailto:sblack...@apache.org <mailto:sblack...@apache.org
>> >>
>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
>> To: Ate Douma<mailto:a...@douma.nu <mailto:a...@douma.nu>>;
>> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org><mailto:dev@streams
>> .incubator.apache.org
>> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>>
>> Cc: gene...@incubator.apache.org
>> <mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org><mailto:general@incubat
>> or.apache.org
>> <mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>
>>
>>
>> On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu
>>
>> <mailto:a...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>> On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
>> > I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for
>> social web
>> > data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has
>> taught me a
>> > lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but
>> as Ate
>> > points out the community around this podling has never been healthy
>> and
>> has all
>> > but disappeared in 2016.
>> >
>> > I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to
>> volunteer as a
>> > mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active
>> participants I can
>> > envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative,
>> it should be
>> > retired. Perhaps so

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Joey Frazee]

The discussion +/- retiring the project is probably the right discussion to be 
having, but I think in order to make a decision everyone ought to look at what 
steps could be taken to get it out of a rut, and whether there's reason to 
believe those would be successful. So far no one has said they don't think 
there's potential which suggests with some changes it can get moving in another 
direction.

Here's a laundry list of things I think are worth discussing:

- What should the focus be? If you look at the code, the project really 
provides 3 things: (1) a stream processing engine and integration with data 
persistence mechanisms, (2) a reference implementation of ActivityStreams, AS 
schemas, and tools for interlinking activity objects and events, and (3) a 
uniform API for integrating with social network APIs. I don't think that first 
thing is needed anymore. Just looking at Apache projects, NiFi, Apex + Apex 
Malhar, and to some extent Flume are further along here. Stream Sets covers 
some of this too, and arguably Logstash also gets used for this sort of work. 
I.e., I think the project would be much stronger if it focused on (2) and (3) 
and marrying those up to other Apache projects that fit (1). Minimally, it 
needs to be de-entangled a bit.

- This has already come up, but maybe ActivityStreams 2.0 support would broaden 
the community and motivate more work. It's also a concrete goal to work toward 
so people would know where they can start.

- Steve and I did a little work here a few months ago, but the JIRA could 
reflect the priorities better and I think keep the community working in a 
common direction.

- I think the project needs at least one mentor with a very strong incentive to 
keep it moving/participate regularly. From the outside it doesn't look like 
that's there right now.

There are (active) TLP projects out there with monthly participation that you 
can count on one hand. Getting to that over the course of the next 3 months has 
to be achievable.

So the question is really, what needs to change to motivate 5 people to jump in 
each month?

-joey

On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Suneel Marthi  wrote:

I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to
dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in 4
other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and
help steer this to TLP.

Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ







On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young 
wrote:

I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s
face-to-face meeting and have just finished discussing features of
ActivityStreams 2.0:

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/



The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to
ship the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
community to get back on its feet.



Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more
this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.



There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major
moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.



To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows
this direction.



So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the
Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.



Thanks!

Benjamin



--
http://bigbluehat.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung



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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
To: Ate Douma<mailto:a...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
<mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: gene...@incubator.apache.org<mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic



On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:

I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for

social web

data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught

me a

lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as

Ate

points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and

has all

but disappeared in 2016.

I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer

as a

mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants

I can

envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it

should be

retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.


Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn'

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma]

On 2016-09-23 17:50, Suneel Marthi wrote:

I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to
dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in 4
other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and help
steer this to TLP.


That is a great offer Suneel and I'd welcome you to become mentor of Apache
Streams.

Not sure about the proper process for this, but I think all this requires is
that you say so (or at least request) on general@ and we then can add you
to the project status page [1]

Ate

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/streams.html



Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week
btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ


Cool, I'll watch it later this weekend.
@Steve: might it be useful to put a link on the Streams website?









On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young mailto:byo...@bigbluehat.com>> wrote:

I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s face-to-face
meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams 2.0:

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
<https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/>



The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to ship
the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
community to get back on its feet.



Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more
this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.



There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major
moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.



To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows
this direction.



So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the
Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.



Thanks!

Benjamin



--
http://bigbluehat.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung <http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung>



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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
To: Ate Douma<mailto:a...@douma.nu <mailto:a...@douma.nu>>;
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org

<mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org><mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
<mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>>
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    <mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic



On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu
<mailto:a...@douma.nu>) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for 
social web
> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught 
me a
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and
has all
> but disappeared in 2016.
>
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer 
as a
> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants 
I can
> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it 
should be
> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>
Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.


Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers
involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but 
also
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!


Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and
ASF is where it happens.

> I’ll be submitting a (p

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma]

Hi Benjamin,

Thanks for chiming in, and not a bit too late :-)
I think it would be great if the ActivityStreams 2.0 group and Apache Streams
can work together and with the help of the W3C group might help 'reset' the
project and move forwards again.

I am really happy to cancel the vote for retirement in light of this
potential new effort.
I will do so shortly (on the dev@streams.incubator.apache.org list).

And I invite you, and others interested from the W3C group to join the dev list
as well to make contact and further discuss possible next steps.
"pointing all W3C arrows this direction" already is a great way to start :-)

Kind regards, Ate

On 2016-09-23 17:45, Benjamin Young wrote:

I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s face-to-face
meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams 2.0:

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/



The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to ship the
AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams community to get
back on its feet.



Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more this
week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a presentation
on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.



There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF activities,
and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major moment in the
chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.



To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache Streams
(incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows this 
direction.



So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the Social
Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.



Thanks!

Benjamin



--
http://bigbluehat.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung



*From: *apache <mailto:sblack...@apache.org>
*Sent: *Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
*To: *Ate Douma <mailto:a...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
<mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>
*Cc: *gene...@incubator.apache.org <mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org>
*Subject: *Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic



On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:

I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all
but disappeared in 2016.

I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can
envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be
retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.


Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.


Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers
involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!


Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF is
where it happens.


I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.


I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
release for Apache Stream.
Thanks.



I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org

Kind regards, Ate



Steve Blackmon
sblack...@apache.org

On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu
<mailto:a...@douma.nu>) wrote:


On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
> I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
> in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>
> It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
> Streams project.

Good to hear that!
I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.

>
> Is there a

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Suneel Marthi]

I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to
dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in 4
other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and
help steer this to TLP.

Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ







On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young 
wrote:

> I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s
> face-to-face meeting and have just finished discussing features of
> ActivityStreams 2.0:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>
>
>
> The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to
> ship the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams
> community to get back on its feet.
>
>
>
> Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more
> this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a
> presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.
>
>
>
> There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF
> activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major
> moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>
>
>
> To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache
> Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows
> this direction.
>
>
>
> So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the
> Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Benjamin
>
>
>
> --
> http://bigbluehat.com/
> http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
>
>
>
> From: apache<mailto:sblack...@apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
> To: Ate Douma<mailto:a...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: gene...@incubator.apache.org<mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>
>
>
> On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu) wrote:
> On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> > I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for
> social web
> > data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught
> me a
> > lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as
> Ate
> > points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and
> has all
> > but disappeared in 2016.
> >
> > I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer
> as a
> > mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants
> I can
> > envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it
> should be
> > retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
> >
> Hi Steve,
>
> Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
> there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does
> look
> like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.
>
> You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
> openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
> That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
> disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the
> committers involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.
>
> I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
> joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine
> Apache
> committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but
> also
> as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and
> ASF is where it happens.
>
> > I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.
>
> I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which
> if OK
> and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
> release for Apache Stream.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>
> Kind regards, Ate
>
> >
> > Steve Blackmon
> > sblack...@apache.org
> >
> > On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu
> > <mailto:a...@douma.nu>) wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-09-19 17:09

RE: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Benjamin Young]

I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s face-to-face 
meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams 2.0:

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/



The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to ship the 
AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams community to 
get back on its feet.



Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more this 
week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a presentation 
on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.



There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF activities, 
and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major moment in the 
chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.



To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache Streams 
(incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows this 
direction.



So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the Social 
Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.



Thanks!

Benjamin



--
http://bigbluehat.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung



From: apache<mailto:sblack...@apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
To: Ate Douma<mailto:a...@douma.nu>; 
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Cc: gene...@incubator.apache.org<mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic



On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has 
> all
> but disappeared in 2016.
>
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can
> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be
> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>
Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.


Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers 
involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!


Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF 
is where it happens.

> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.

I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
release for Apache Stream.
Thanks.



I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org

Kind regards, Ate

>
> Steve Blackmon
> sblack...@apache.org
>
> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu
> <mailto:a...@douma.nu>) wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>> >
>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
>> > Streams project.
>>
>> Good to hear that!
>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>
>> >
>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>
>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[apache]

On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu) wrote:
On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:  
> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social 
> web  
> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a 
>  
> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate  
> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has 
> all  
> but disappeared in 2016.  
>  
> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a 
>  
> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I 
> can  
> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should 
> be  
> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.  
>  
Hi Steve,  

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as  
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look  
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.  

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the  
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.  
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course  
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.  


Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers 
involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.  

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and  
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache  
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also  
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!  


Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF 
is where it happens.

> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today. 

I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK 
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating 
release for Apache Stream.
Thanks.



I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on 
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org 

Kind regards, Ate 

> 
> Steve Blackmon 
> sblack...@apache.org 
> 
> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu 
> ) wrote: 
> 
>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote: 
>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last 
>> > week 
>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink. 
>> > 
>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the 
>> > Streams project. 
>> 
>> Good to hear that! 
>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin. 
>> 
>> > 
>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the 
>> > project some more time before calling the attic ? 
>> 
>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community 
>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now. 
>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the 
>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable. 
>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally 
>> some 
>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to 
>> postpone/cancel 
>> the retirement VOTE for now. 
>> 
>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know 
>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out. 
>> 
>> Regards, Ate 
>> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma  wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote: 
>> >>> 
>>  Ate, 
>>  
>>  Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement 
>>  guide. 
>>  
>>  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html 
>>  
>> >>> 
>> >>> Right. 
>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this 
>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement. 
>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken 
>> >>> down, 
>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams 
>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this 
>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page. 
>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what 
>> >>> the retirement entails. 
>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either) 
>> >>> 
>> >> 
>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it 
>> >> is 
>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams 
>> >> with the 
>> >> link to the podling retirement guide. 
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma]

On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:

I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
data interoperability.  Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all
but disappeared in 2016.

I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
mentor or contributor.  With even a few new committed active participants I can
envision the project graduating to TLP.  Without fresh initiative, it should be
retired.  Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.


Hi Steve,

Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.

You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.

I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!


I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.


I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating 
release for Apache Stream.


I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
dev@streams.incubator.apache.org

Kind regards, Ate



Steve Blackmon
sblack...@apache.org

On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu
) wrote:


On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
> I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
> in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams +  Flink.
>
> It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
> Streams project.

Good to hear that!
I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.

>
> Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
> project some more time before calling the attic ?

Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some
additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
the retirement VOTE for now.

I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.

Regards, Ate

>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>>>
 Ate,

 Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.

 http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html

>>>
>>> Right.
>>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>>>
>>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
>>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
>>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>>>
>>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
>>> the retirement entails.
>>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>>>
>>
>> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
>> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>> with the
>> link to the podling retirement guide.
>>
>>
>>
>>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>>
 John

 On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma  wrote:

 FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first
> initiated a
> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.
>
> Ate
> (Streams mentor)
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
> From: Ate Douma 
> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org 
>
> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
> vote on

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[apache]

I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web 
data interoperability.  Participating in the incubator process has taught me a 
lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate 
points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all 
but disappeared in 2016. 

I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a 
mentor or contributor.  With even a few new committed active participants I can 
envision the project graduating to TLP.  Without fresh initiative, it should be 
retired.  Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.

I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.

Steve Blackmon
sblack...@apache.org
On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu) wrote:

On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:  
> I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week  
> in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.  
>  
> It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the  
> Streams project.  

Good to hear that!  
I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.  

>  
> Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the  
> project some more time before calling the attic ?  

Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community  
involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.  
Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the  
project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.  
However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some  
additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel  
the retirement VOTE for now.  

I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know  
what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.  

Regards, Ate  

>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:  
>  
>> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:  
>>  
>>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:  
>>>  
 Ate,  
  
 Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.  
  
 http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html  
  
>>>  
>>> Right.  
>>> Thanks for pointing this out John.  
>>>  
>>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this  
>>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.  
>>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,  
>>> instead of flagged as being retired.  
>>>  
>>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams  
>>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this  
>>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.  
>>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what  
>>> the retirement entails.  
>>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)  
>>>  
>>  
>> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is  
>> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams  
>> with the  
>> link to the podling retirement guide.  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@  
>>>  
>>> Ate  
>>>  
>>>  
 John  
  
 On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma  wrote:  
  
 FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first  
> initiated a  
> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.  
>  
> Ate  
> (Streams mentor)  
>  
>  Forwarded Message   
> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic  
> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200  
> From: Ate Douma   
> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org   
>  
> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally  
> vote on  
> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.  
>  
> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html  
>  
> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic  
> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority  
> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add  
> justification]  
>  
> Ate  
>  
>  
>  
> -  
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org  
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>  
>  
>  
  
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>>>  
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Daniel Sullivan]

+1

Great project, but probably best left to another time!

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Matt Franklin 
wrote:

> +1
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 5:27 PM Ate Douma  wrote:
>
> > As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally vote
> on
> > retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
> >
> > The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
> >
> > [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
> > [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
> > [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
> > justification]
> >
> > Ate
> >
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Ate Douma]

On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:

I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams +  Flink.

It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
Streams project.


Good to hear that!
I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.



Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
project some more time before calling the attic ?


Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community 
involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.

Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some 
additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel

the retirement VOTE for now.

I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.

Regards, Ate






On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:


On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:


On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:


Ate,

Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement guide.

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html



Right.
Thanks for pointing this out John.

I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked this
requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken down,
instead of flagged as being retired.

So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice what
the retirement entails.
(not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)



Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think I it is
sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
with the
link to the podling retirement guide.




And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on general@

Ate



John

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma  wrote:

FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I first

initiated a
[discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero feedback.

Ate
(Streams mentor)

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
From: Ate Douma 
To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org 

As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally
vote on
retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.

The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html

[ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
[ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
[ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
justification]

Ate



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Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic

[Matt Franklin]

+1

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 5:27 PM Ate Douma  wrote:

> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets formally vote on
> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>
> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>
> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add
> justification]
>
> Ate
>
>