Re: Proposal: drop "Test installation media" from live media

2020-12-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 00:29, przemek klosowski via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > On 12/16/20 5:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 04:28:49PM -0500, przemek klosowski via devel wrote: > > I was trying to make a point that we don't have a way to check the

[EPEL-devel] Re: Epel 8 (and 9) build against what?

2020-12-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 05:00, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Regarding the recent announcement of CentOS 8 flipping to CentOS Stream - > What will be the configs for building EPEL 8? > I mean mock configs? And I ask as Mock maintainer - because I have no idea. > > Are we going to build EPEL 8 against

[EPEL-devel] Re: Proposal for RHEL8 missing -devel packages

2020-12-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 13:17, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 12/13/20 7:03 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > On 12/13/20 10:37 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > >> On 12/11/20 5:04 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > >>> On 12/12/20 12:12 AM, Troy Dawson wrote: > > > Seem reasonable? I was able to install the

[EPEL-devel] Re: Proposal for RHEL8 missing -devel packages

2020-12-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 12:38, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 12/11/20 5:04 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 12/12/20 12:12 AM, Troy Dawson wrote: > >> There is also a problem if a missing package has been specifically > >> blocked by a module. I think libuv-devel is this way. > > > > If that

Re: Koji Offline - Infrastruture Status page says : all fine ?

2020-12-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 13:18, Marius Schwarz wrote: > > Hi, > > Koji has an Outtage. No Idea it it's planned or a failure. According to > https://status.fedoraproject.org/ ist should work. > > The page also says that things are manually done to that page. We have to stop working on fires to

[EPEL-devel] Re: Broken EPEL7 builds

2020-12-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 10:08, Antonio T. sagitter wrote: > Hi everyone. > > EPEL7 builds are not executed due to this error: > > I am guessing you are talking about building packages in Fedora Infrastructure? Do you have a koji job we can point developers to? > DEBUG util.py:634: Traceback

Re: [EPEL-devel] Broken EPEL7 builds

2020-12-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 10:08, Antonio T. sagitter wrote: > Hi everyone. > > EPEL7 builds are not executed due to this error: > > I am guessing you are talking about building packages in Fedora Infrastructure? Do you have a koji job we can point developers to? > DEBUG util.py:634: Traceback

Re: The future of Fedora Server (was Re: Fedora 34 Change: Make Fedora CoreOS a Fedora Edition (System-Wide Change))

2020-12-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 15:17, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > It would be interesting if we had a set of use cases Fedora Server > > actually solves. So far in this thread we've seen people use it, but > > it reads to me like they use it to

Re: Mass spec file change: Adding BuildRequires: make

2020-12-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 11:18, Tom Stellard wrote: > On 12/3/20 7:39 AM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 4:35 PM Tom Stellard wrote: > >> > >> On 12/2/20 5:45 AM, Artem Tim wrote: > >>> How to quickly retest packages which listed here >

[EPEL-devel] Re: EL7 and 8 latest release rpms 403

2020-12-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at 12:58, Jon Moroney wrote: > Hey all, > > Is there a reason both the el7 and 8 repo rpms are returning 403s? Are > they expected to return or is there a migration occurring? > > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/epel-release-latest-7.noarch.rpm >

[EPEL-devel] ANNOUNCE: Nov 2020 EPEL6 End of Life

2020-11-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
Hello it is with a fond farewell, we announce the end of life of EPEL-6. No further builds or promotion of builds will be possible in the Fedora Build System. The repositories in /pub/epel/6 will be archived to /pub/archive/epel/6/ and mirror lists will be pointed to this in 2 weeks. Thank you

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 at 02:58, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 19.11.2020 23:13, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Some packagers in Fedora do not have time to maintain the build > dependencies > > for the packages that they are actually interested in and have time to

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 14:25, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 14:15 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > My apologies for that misinformation. While a federated chat system is a > > network of servers for people being social, I should not tie them in

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 13:29, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 13:23 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrot

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote: > > >Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern, > > >"IRC-native" (for lack of better word in

Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove and deprecate nscd in favour of sssd and systemd-resolved (Self-Contained Change)

2020-11-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 19:26, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen said: > > Because a lot of networks use routing tricks to send traffic to > particular > > DNS server IP addresses. They may round robin, traffic route, or other > > methods to s

Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove and deprecate nscd in favour of sssd and systemd-resolved (Self-Contained Change)

2020-11-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 18:37, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/15/20 7:31 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > Implementing this does not come without drawbacks though: right now > > resolved tries hard to use the same server if at all possible, since > > we want to use newer DNS features if possible,

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 at 18:53, Kevin Kofler via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > Well, except, it clearly *does* work that way. We have many > > lightly-maintained packages in practice. > > Do we really? Which are those packages? > > The one that keeps

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers (see note about xinetd)

2020-11-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 at 10:01, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Petr Pisar said: > > I believe it's unlikely that somobody will adopt xinetd. It was orphaned > > because its maintainer orphaned all his packages. > > Are there replacements for the old services built in to xinetd? It's a >

Re: Planned Outage: 2020-11-11 21:00 UTC Fedora Services

2020-11-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 at 17:31, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > There will be an outage starting at 2020-11-11 21:00UTC, > which will last approximately 6 hours. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto > or r

Planned Outage: 2020-11-11 21:00 UTC Fedora Services

2020-11-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
There will be an outage starting at 2020-11-11 21:00UTC, which will last approximately 6 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2017-05-03 21:00UTC' Reason for outage: Apply updates and new kernels for all

Planned Outage: 2020-11-11 21:00 UTC Fedora Services

2020-11-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
There will be an outage starting at 2020-11-11 21:00UTC, which will last approximately 6 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2017-05-03 21:00UTC' Reason for outage: Apply updates and new kernels for all

Re: Recompiling Packages with Optimization Flags

2020-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 at 02:36, Joseph D Wagner wrote: > Forgive me if this is the wrong spot to ask. > > I'm doing some CPU intensive work, and I'd like to optimize a few > packages. Even if it's only a 5% gain, it will add up over many > hours/days of continuous runtime. > > Back in the day, I

Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove make from BuildRoot (System-Wide Change)

2020-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 09:42, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 08:57:32AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:52, wrote: > > > > > The make package use 539k of space. And for gcc + C++ it's more than > 30 Mo. > >

Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove make from BuildRoot (System-Wide Change)

2020-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:52, wrote: > The make package use 539k of space. And for gcc + C++ it's more than 30 Mo. > Does it really worth the effort on changing all the dependent packages ? > > Personally I am getting tired of this death of the buildroot by a million cuts. Could we just

[EPEL-devel] Re: RHEL 8.3

2020-11-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
Thanks for the notice. I am rsyncing /pub/epel/8/ to /pub/archive/epel/8.2.2020-11-04/ for people who need longer compatibility. On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 at 00:36, Thomas Stephen Lee wrote: > Hi, > > RHEL 8.3 got released. > > --- > Lee > ___ > epel-devel

Re: EOL and Obsoletes in Modularity

2020-11-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 at 06:55, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 11/2/20 12:33 PM, Daniel Mach wrote: > > Then there's a question how to get the documents into modules.yaml. From > my > > perspective, it's up to Fedora infra/releng/packaging people. Whether it > should > > be in dist-git, git repo (similar

Re: bsd wtf (was Re: youtube-dl Copyright Violations)

2020-10-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 13:33, Colin Walters wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Tim Flink wrote: > > > > There is a maintained upstream for bsd-games [1] that has effectively > > forked the old codebase and trimmed out some of the bits which are not > > quite games including wtf (the

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-10-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 02:15, Subsentient wrote: > I figure I'll add my two cents for as little as that's worth. > > Personally, I use extlinux with a custom, barebones configuration. On my > EFI systems, I use syslinux EFI. I like the simplicity of syntax for > syslinux's configuration and how

Re: Introducing vim-default-editor subpackage - replace nano as a default editor if wanted

2020-10-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 08:44, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 12.10.2020 14:16, Neal Gompa wrote: > > 2. Having subpackages like this that conflict by name is going to get > > crazy really fast, so we need a virtual name to make RPM only permit > > one of

Re: Could Bodhi create some temporary repositories before composes are ready?

2020-10-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 12:21, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:06:59 PM CEST Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 03:16, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > > > > The KMail app stopped working for me today, and I realized there's > > >

Re: Could Bodhi create some temporary repositories before composes are ready?

2020-10-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 03:16, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > The KMail app stopped working for me today, and I realized there's > update to which I'd like to give a try: > > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-15d324f87c > > In Bodhi, the suggested command to test this update is: > >

Re: Bodhi failed to get a resource from PDC ...

2020-10-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
This outage should be over. On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 07:50, Ankur Sinha wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 13:43:57 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > Bodhi fails with this error message. Any suggestion on how to continue? > > > > Builds : Unable to create update. > > Bodhi failed to get a

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 11:54, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > On 9/30/2020 8:17 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:05 AM Marius Schwarz > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> the livecds from F32 and F33 are suffering from a problem not booting on > >> Microsoft device(s) > >> > >>

Re: Switching to DWARF5 default for GCC11 (and the default Fedora 34 toolchain)

2020-09-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 09:41, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:50:39 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > = What I am NOT working on > [...] > > - Any other tool, project not mentioned above or other > > native toolchains like golang, rust, clang/llvm or ocaml. > > I expect those to

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 13:05, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 09:44:13AM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > After reading https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/8967, I really > > don't think that systemd-resolved's benefits outweigh its harms as a > > default

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 at 13:44, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 19:16:32 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Then that certainly means that Ubuntu uses this too, since they reuse > > the dbgsym subpackage generation for the ddeb system they have now. > > I am not much familiar with

Re: Fedora 33 - ssh clients - drop of PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=ssh-rsa

2020-09-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 16:03, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > On Sunday, September 20, 2020 8:52:21 PM CEST Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 07:11:29PM +0200, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > > After upgrade of one of my servers to F33, I noticed that I can not > ssh to > > > one of my other

Re: Fedora 33 - ssh clients - drop of PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=ssh-rsa

2020-09-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 13:12, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > After upgrade of one of my servers to F33, I noticed that I can not ssh to > one of my other servers running Debian 9 system (relatively freshly EOLed, > I need to do something about it). On F33 I always need to: > > $ ssh

Re: Test machines for maintainers (was: btrfs and default page sizes (4k vs 64k))

2020-09-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 at 16:14, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski < domi...@greysector.net> wrote: > Hi, Kevin. > > On Friday, 18 September 2020 at 19:46, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:08:46AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:07 AM Zbigniew

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 12:53, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > If one of the issues here can be stated as "we want buildroot-only > > packages because we don't want to maintain those packages to a high > > standard", it is demonstrably

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 07:27, Mario Torre wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:04 AM Hans de Goede > wrote: > > > So for this tomcat needed for testing problem, I'm thinking that we > > might solve this in a very non Fedora way. Why not bundle the old > > tomcat-sources with the sources which

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 13:31, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > > > 4. The benefit we want to

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 09:37, Björn Persson wrote: > Guido Aulisi wrote: > > IMHO we could package only the JDK and let the user use Java software > directly from upstream. > > Usually upstream means Apache, which is a trusted source, and Java users > are smart enough to manage the Java packages.

[EPEL-devel] Re: proposal: EPEL 8 Next

2020-09-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 09:58, Ken Dreyer wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 6:50 AM Petr Pisar wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 11:00:42PM -0500, Carl George wrote: >> > To solve this problem, I am proposing that we create a new repository >> called >> > EPEL 8 Next. >> > >> > - built against

[EPEL-devel] Re: Continuing playground discussion

2020-08-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:43, Troy Dawson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 11:44 AM kevin wrote: > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Well, I think it satisfies all the use cases, but... we barely have > > enough cycles to try and revamp playground. Do we think we have enough > > to do that and also

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:39, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Monday, August 31, 2020 5:46:47 AM MST Peter Oliver wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:27:33 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > Unless systemd timers run crontab entries, crond and atd cannot be > > > disabled. > > > >

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2020-08-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 15:58, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Mon, 2020-08-24 at 12:25 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > usb_modeswitch > > any particular reason for usb_modeswitch be orphaned ? , i.e. is about > no maintainer ? or about is not used anymore ? >

Re: Deprecation of Anaconda boot parameters without inst. prefix

2020-08-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 at 08:58, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:16 PM wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Anaconda team has decided to deprecate use of Anaconda kernel boot > > parameters without 'inst.' prefix. As you may already know you can > > specify Anaconda kernel

Re: Respinning rawhide images every filesystem update?

2020-08-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 10:05, Alex Scheel wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Stephen John Smoogen" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > , asch...@redhat.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:55:17 A

Re: Respinning rawhide images every filesystem update?

2020-08-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 09:36, Alex Scheel wrote: > > I'm bumping this thread. This is still broken. > Please open a ticket at https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue and open new issue with an explanation of what is broken and where you are pulling from. If it is a fedora registry then

Re: Headsup: dbus 1.12.10-1.fc29 is missing systemd dbus.service file, breaking almost everything

2020-08-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 09:37, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 04.08.2020 13:58, Kamil Paral wrote: > > So, how do we ban spammers from this list? CC devel-owner. > > Allow only CLA+1 group members to post messages. > I don't think mailman has any idea about group membership and I really

Re: Headsup: dbus 1.12.10-1.fc29 is missing systemd dbus.service file, breaking almost everything

2020-08-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 08:58, Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:42 PM Mike Johnson wrote: >> >> Thank you for this headsup, I want to share some info too. I have found one >> site https://soclikes.com/buy-instagram-mentions-user-followers, here you >> can cheap get instagram

Re: Why lxd is not included in Fedora?

2020-08-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 18:45, Sergio Belkin wrote: > > Hi! > Just out of curiosity, why is lxd not included in Fedora? > Thanks in advance! > A quick review of the development mailing lists sees the last person mentioning that they were working on packaging LXD was in 2016, and they only did it

Re: ar (binutils) segfaulting in Rawhide - known bug?

2020-07-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 17:51, Jeff Law wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 22:40 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 03:37:05PM -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > > > Hmm, what's interesting here is that it's binutils-2.34, so it's not > > > the update that Nick was doing to do today.

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 05:04, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > Userspace isn't dead when a system is thrashing. Your software is still > > running. If it gets killed, you're most likely going to lose your data. > > The thing is, there are various levels of thrashing. In some

Re: Outdated programs in rawhide

2020-07-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 05:14, Dan Horák wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 01:36:09 +0200 > Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > > > scala: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1080923 > > libnetfilter_queue: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1512736 > > nftables: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1846663 > > libcap:

[EPEL-devel] Re: Puppet 6 in EPEL 8

2020-07-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 19:41, Igor Raits wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 10:35 -0400, Breno Brand Fernandes wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've just pushed puppet 6 (agent) to EPEL 8 (testing) today [1]. > > > > If you use puppet 6 and have a

[EPEL-devel] Re: gcc-gnat

2020-07-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 07:56, Björn Persson wrote: > > Erick Wittman wrote: > > I am using CentOS 8 and am using various packages in the EPEL > > repository. I am interested in seeing gcc-gnat added to EPEL. > > I would also like to have gcc-gnat in CentOS 8. I maintain some Ada > packages in

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 16:49, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM Eric Sandeen wrote: > > > > On 7/9/20 2:11 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > > >> > > >> From what I've gathered from these responses, btrfs is unique in that > > >> it is > > >> /expected/ that if anything goes wrong,

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 01:19, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:40 PM Eric Sandeen wrote: > > > > On 7/3/20 1:41 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > SSDs can fail in weird ways. Some spew garbage as they're failing, > > > some go read-only. I've seen both. I don't have stats on how

Re: modular and personal koji

2020-07-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 10:33, Didier Fabert wrote: > > Hi all, > > With my personal koji (on el8), I cannot build some packages for my el8 > tag. All failures are about modular metadata packages which cannot be > installed. > Koji doesn't really understand modules and the depsolver has problems.

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 07:38, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > Hi, > > > > btw, sd-boot has a few tricks up its sleeve: if during boot you keep > > > "w" pressed down it will automatically boot into windows, similar if > > > you keep "l" pressed down it will automaticall boot into linux, "a" > > > will

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 11:23, Markus Larsson wrote: > > > > On 5 July 2020 16:27:07 CEST, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 11:34, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:20 AM Lennart Poettering > >> wrote: &g

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 11:34, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:20 AM Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > > > On Mi, 01.07.20 21:06, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > The user-interactive portion of sd-boot is *awful*. I know our GRUB > > > looks ugly by default these

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 13:14, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 18:54, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 01. 07. 20 18:33, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:28 am, Michael Catanzaro > > > wrote: > > >> I have not much opinion on whether we should use this vs. nano.

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 09:38, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 15:14:09 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > At the moment we have about 10% of the hardware > > we shipped back in operation and there are at least 2 to 3 weeks to > > get the rest up. Ge

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 08:09, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:43:57 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > In the end we have limited resources and you are running into those > > limits. We can either have fewer builders with more disk space and a > > lo

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 07:19, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Yeah. I have no doubt that the decision was made carefully back then. > That said, time has passed, and btrfs has evolved and our use cases > have evolved too, so a fresh look is good. > > We have

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 02:09, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > Hi, > > I have tried to enable debuginfo for Chromium but it cannot fit the disk. > During local build it has 160GB (on x86_64) and Koji shows (moreover AFAIK > shared for multiple builders): > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 17:09, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:30 PM Justin Forbes wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:39 PM John M. Harris Jr > > wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 8:22:00 AM MST Stephen John Smoogen w

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 16:14, Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:41 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrote: >> >> On 30.06.2020 19:43, Hans de Goede wrote: >> > That is the first time I have heard that. Do you have a source for that ? >> >> https://github.com/intel/dptfxtract

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 11:09, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:26 am, Stephen Gallagher > wrote: > > For the record, as this directly affects the Workstation deliverable, > > I will be voting -1 until and unless the Workstation WG votes in > > favor. > > > > Yes, it's a

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 11:36, Solomon Peachy wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:15:54AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:13:39AM -0400, Josef Bacik wrote: > > > Not Fedora land, but Facebook installs it on all of our root > > > devices, so millions of machines.

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

2020-06-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 05:29, Dan Čermák wrote: > > Hi Stephen, > > this will probably get buried given the immense amount of replies in > this thread already, but nevertheless, here's my 2cts. > > Stephen John Smoogen writes: > > > On Sat, 20 Jun 20

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

2020-06-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 17:42, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 5:25 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, June 20, 2020 4:42:17 AM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > TL;DR benefits of modularity for Fedora: > > > > > > * Automating build chains for producing artifacts > > > *

Re: Modules building for Fedora 30

2020-06-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 23:16, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > I just noticed that my openmpi module build is building for Fedora 30. > This seems like a mistake. Where do I report that? > I think it should be reported here: https://pagure.io/releng/issues > -- > Orion Poplawski > Manager of NWRA

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

2020-06-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 09:27, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 8:45 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > > However, I am concerned that as ELN develops further, we are likely to > be even more starved for build resources than we have been previously. > Modules are huge build chains that

Re: zram as swap on EL?

2020-06-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 14:05, Richard Shaw wrote: > > I didn't get any response from the EPEL list so forwarding here since the > change was discussed here anyway... The EPEL list really isn't for these sorts of OS level discussions.. most of the people on it are usually php/perl/python level

Re: Day one of the datacenter service migration

2020-06-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 10:35, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 10:28:23AM -0400, Charalampos Stratakis wrote: > > > > The elections app seems to be broken for me though, so I can't vote at > this point. > > Can you elaborate? > > Do you get an error? Does it not display? Does it not

[EPEL-devel] EPEL builds are currently broken

2020-06-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
We are in the middle of the datacentre move where various services are partially in our old site and some are in the new ones. One problem is that our access to RHEL comes via a server which got moved to allow for us to build out systems in the new site.. however the builders in the old datacentre

[EPEL-devel] Re: Mate desktop environment update

2020-06-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 05:21, Menanteau wrote: > Hi there, > > is there a plan to update Mate in EPEL ? > > EPEL is not a distribution and does not have 'plans' to produce things for certain releases. Nobody is paid to work on EPEL versus paid to work on Fedora so the packages here are those that

Re: Has something changed with RPMS?

2020-06-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 11:38, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I should say that there's also the possibility of writing a block > device plugin which is highly tuned in some way to the Koji use case. > We've already done discarding flushes and showed that you get all the > benefit of a RAM disk just

Re: new packages review tickets

2020-05-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 10:35, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:45:56PM +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > It may sounds appealing to clean the plate and "resolve" a lot of > > tickets. However, think about it from the other side: somebody is > > waiting for review

Re: The price of FHS

2020-05-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 15:59, Paul Dufresne via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > The File Hierarchy Standard (FHS), is a standard that define where the > files of a package should be placed in the root directory of the > systems. It probably did not change much since the beginning

Re: Location of executable code

2020-05-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 15:20, David Malcolm wrote: > On Fri, 2020-05-22 at 10:30 -0400, Steve Grubb wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am working on our application whitelisting daemon. It uses the > > rpmdb to > > derive trust in what's on disk. If we use the whole rpmdb, then the > > number of > >

Re: Aggressive updating (Python 3.9): Are we trying to hard?

2020-05-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 08:49, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:47 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > Perhaps, but they are still too cumbersome for the average packager. > > So I would have to create a module for Python 3.7, python-pyside2, and > freecad, correct? > > Maybe Fedora

Re: Aggressive updating (Python 3.9): Are we trying to hard?

2020-05-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 15:39, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 19. 05. 20 v 14:03 Richard Shaw napsal(a): > > Because Qt 5.13.x / PySide2 5.13.x is NOT compatible with Python 3.8. > But instead of asking ourselves, "should we push > > in the VERY latest Python and hope it's ok?", we just patch the

[EPEL-devel] Re: Modules again

2020-05-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 11:05, Paul Howarth wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 09:07:30 -0400 > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 06:05, Paul Howarth wrote: > > > > Yes, I'm using vanilla configs straight from mock-core-configs for > this, and tha

[EPEL-devel] Re: Modules again

2020-05-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 06:05, Paul Howarth wrote: > On Mon, 18 May 2020 22:29:54 -0600 > Orion Poplawski wrote: > > > On 5/17/20 6:34 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: > > > I'm trying to do a local build of gtkwave for EPEL-8. > > > > > > A koji scratch build somehow works: > > >

[EPEL-devel] Re: [CentOS-devel] Handling packages retired in epel but not yet available in CentOS?

2020-05-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 09:06, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:02 AM Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 20:00, Nico Kadel-Garcia > wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:32 PM M

[EPEL-devel] Re: [CentOS-devel] Handling packages retired in epel but not yet available in CentOS?

2020-05-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 20:00, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:32 PM Michel Alexandre Salim > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > We're working on validating CentOS 8 for some desktop use cases at work, > > and noticed that after working fine on a machine that's installed > > several

Re: armv7l status?

2020-05-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 13:50, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:51 am, Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > Those pages are needing some love and care as aarch64 should not be > > on it anymore. Currently the primary architectures that Fedora

Re: Proposal: Revise FESCo voting policy

2020-05-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 10:34, Igor Raits wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Wed, 2020-05-13 at 09:27 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 09:17, Kevin Kofler > > wrote: > > > David Kaufmann wrote: &

Re: armv7l status?

2020-05-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 09:15, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > Hi, > > Why are we still doing builds for armv7l in koji? > > I see that it is not represented on https://alt.fedoraproject.org/alt/ > so I presume we no longer support installing this architecture. Is it > really only used for multilib,

Re: Proposal: Revise FESCo voting policy

2020-05-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 09:17, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > David Kaufmann wrote: > > If abstentions would lower the necessary +1 votes, this would > > automatically give the author of a proposal a +1 vote for the proposal, > > depending on the author being in FESCo himself/herself. > > It would

Re: Is dist-git a good place for work?

2020-05-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 03:19, Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Stephen John Smoogen: > > > No because the things that backups and rsync do works in a slow way. > > We can do the backup the look-aside cache with tar-balls in a couple > > of hours. We can also rsync that

Re: Is dist-git a good place for work?

2020-05-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 09:47, Tomas Tomecek wrote: > > I haven't responded here for a few days - that doesn't mean I stopped > caring, quite the opposite, I've read every single response but the > thread grew so big that I wasn't able to keep up replying. > > Given all your valuable feedback, we

Re: Is dist-git a good place for work?

2020-05-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 8 May 2020 at 09:59, clime wrote: > > On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 20:58, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 08:39:19PM +0200, clime wrote: > > ...snip... please folks... please trim your posts? :) > > > > > These are some great stats! > > > > > > But I would like to note that

Re: Is dist-git a good place for work?

2020-05-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 06:54, clime wrote: > > Dne čt 7. kvě 2020 12:19 uživatel Vít Ondruch napsal: >> >> >> Dne 06. 05. 20 v 20:39 clime napsal(a): >> > On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 13:21, Fabio Valentini wrote: >> >> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 10:37 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dne 05. 05. 20 v

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