On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 10:34, Igor Raits <ignatenkobr...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Wed, 2020-05-13 at 09:27 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 09:17, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kof...@chello.at> > > wrote: > > > David Kaufmann wrote: > > > > If abstentions would lower the necessary +1 votes, this would > > > > automatically give the author of a proposal a +1 vote for the > > > > proposal, > > > > depending on the author being in FESCo himself/herself. > > > > > > It would actually give them only half a vote. Whether a single half > > > vote > > > amounts to a whole vote depends on how ties are handled. > > > > How about making this simpler: plurality wins > > > > If the plurality is +1, then it passes > > If the plurality is +0, then it goes to more discussion (or drop > > because people are tired). > > If the plurality is -1 then it fails > > If there is a tie, it goes to more discussion. > > > > So a 4 +1, 5 0, 0 -1 means more discussion. > > > > Yes there will be corner cases, and ways to rig things.. there is no > > system which is going to beat Arrow's theorem. We either deal with it > > at the time or give up now because there is no perfect solution and > > no > > group of people are going to agree that there is a good solution > > either. > > This will not happen because the policy says that if at least 3 people > gave +1 and nobody gave -1, after 1 week it is approved exactly so that > tickets are not being held in endless loops of discussions. > > So how is it different if it gets approved on a meeting with +4,±5,-0 > or just waited for another few days and get auto-approved? This is the > issue Stephen is proposing to solve. > > It gives a couple of days for people to either change their minds to -1 or to try to convince people to +1 more. At this point, if you want to have more discussion but aren't against it, you have to vote -1 just to force it for more discussion which leads people to having ill feelings from previous times where this has happened. -- Stephen J Smoogen.
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