Re: F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin

2013-07-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:24:17PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoBinDeps == Scope == Proposal owners: None Other developers: replace all

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:43:04PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 16.07.13 09:42, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: journalctl only supports local time specifications when you specify calendar times. Unfortunately there's no nice API to map calendar times that include

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 01:31:44PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 15.07.13 12:44, Jan Synacek (jsyna...@redhat.com) wrote: On 07/15/2013 11:22 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: No, logwatch works only with traditional text-based logs. There is this RFE filed [1], but that will probably

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-15 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 01:57:37PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 01:50:47PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: I worry about the security implications of mail that would have gone to root@ being either silently discarded or unknowingly ignored. That *is* the current case on

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-15 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:14:35PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: This feature is about not doign local mail delivery by default, by not installing any MTA. Instead you find the log output of cronjobs at the same place as you find any other log output, the journal/syslog, for example

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-15 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 03:15:54PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: Bash usually tells you when there is mail in the spool, which is IMHO a big difference to /dev/null. Funny, I just ssh'd into my machine, and it didn't tell me

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-13 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 02:06:12PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: we have a kernel and initramfs, that can be pxe booted or you can boot and load, however we have not made it the primary mathod of install for boards because they generally can only boot and run from a sdcard you would need to

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-13 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:50:40AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:36:00 +0200 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 02:06:12PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: we have a kernel and initramfs, that can be pxe booted or you can boot and load

Re: Getting koji access for some Perl tools

2013-07-13 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 07:00:14PM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: If it should be fedoraproject.org in general, good. But if one is going to host a website with a different top level domain, it really needs a different SSL key. What's present on fedoraproject.net seems to be simply the

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-12 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:50:00AM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 07/11/2013 11:38 AM, Till Maas wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=865022 It is currently closed, because I did not re-test anymore after it was announced that the device won't be supported anymore soon

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-12 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 09:03:24AM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: As for the anaconda install support, my images will be a copy of: Fedora-XFCE-armhfp-19-1-sda.raw.xz with the kernel and uboot replaced + some other tweaks, but otherwise unmodified. So if that image can do anaconda installs, my

Re: GPG verification in SPECs

2013-07-12 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 03:01:07PM -0700, Brian C. Lane wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 11:15:05PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: Hi, upstream of pam_mount pointed me to OpenSUSE's gpg-offline RPM macros at https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/Base:System/gpg-offline They allow to use

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-11 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 07:48:50AM -0400, Jonathan Masters wrote: And following the legitimate concerns about stack-protector this was raised by ARM into core Linaro as an urgent action for which engineering resource is being assigned to correct this deficiency ASAP. Thus within a day an

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-11 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:35:36PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: Speaking about hardware - and that's more a question for Spot - could be

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-11 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:58:11AM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 07/11/2013 08:47 AM, Till Maas wrote: IMHO it is also not that easy to get something going with ARM on Fedora. For example I bought a Sheeva-ARM devices to get upstream release monitoring running on it . But even when I got

Re: Rawhide: glibc, ldconfig, and community-mysql-libs, oh my

2013-07-11 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 01:46:26PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 22:43 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 01:37:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Would anyone care to take a guess at what the hell is going on here? [adamw@adam ~]$ sudo yum update

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-10 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 10:36:39PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: Which hardware is supported by ARMv7 hfp 32bit builds? Will there be http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM The list is expanding regularly

Re: Getting koji access for some Perl tools

2013-07-09 Thread Till Maas
Hi Nico, On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 06:06:38AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: I've been active enough that an intro probably isn't needed, but I've not successfully worked my way through the Fedora access to manage particular packages nor have I gotten koji access. I'd particularly like to get

Re: [Owner-change] Fedora packages ownership change

2013-07-09 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 10:00:04AM +, nob...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Change in ownership over the last 168 hours === To whoever is creating these messages: Please add a message about who is responsible for these reports, where to report bugs and

Re: [Owner-change] Fedora packages ownership change

2013-07-09 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 10:00:04AM +, nob...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Change in ownership over the last 168 hours How about changing the report time to to last 48-216 hours, then ongoing ownership transfers would be recognised as long as they happen within 48 hours. Regards Till -- devel

Re: [Owner-change] Fedora packages ownership change

2013-07-09 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 07:01:12PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 18:23 +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 10:00:04AM +, nob...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Change in ownership over the last 168 hours How about changing the report time to to last 48

Re: [Owner-change] Fedora packages ownership change

2013-07-09 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 06:56:03PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 18:06 +0200, Till Maas wrote: and where the sources of the script can be found. That would be there: https://github.com/pypingou/fedora-owner-change Thank you. Have you considered moving

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-09 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 03:00:05PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ARM_as_Primary Change owner(s): Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com Make ARM a primary

GPG verification in SPECs

2013-07-08 Thread Till Maas
Hi, upstream of pam_mount pointed me to OpenSUSE's gpg-offline RPM macros at https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/Base:System/gpg-offline They allow to use a keyring and detached signature as additional source in SPECs to get both verified. Since gpg-offline's upstream is willing to create a

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-07-04 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:39:47PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: most updates get submitted with the default +3 auto-push, even though it's perhaps not appropriate for all updates. So can we please get a sane default value then that is good for most updates and can be adjusted for special

Re: Fedora Gooey Karma as GSOC project

2013-07-01 Thread Till Maas
Hi, On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 06:48:55PM +0200, Branislav Blaskovic wrote: My proposal [1] is available on fedoraproject wiki page where you can find main features of this new tool. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me here on mailing list, off-list or br...@freenode.org.

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:44:22PM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: We need written policy on update descriptions, since despite the last discussion on this list [1], poor update descriptions continue to blemish the otherwise-professional image of the distro. A starting point suggestion: Every

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 01:07:29PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: The upstream, RPM or git changelog is never a good update description. An update description should be a very clear high-level description of what the update does. The audience is a normal end-user who has 300 updates to apply

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-22 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:09:57PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On the other hand, having NetworkManager available all the time enables things like management tools to use its API to query system status, instead of guessing it from kernel information and heuristic analysis of some files

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-23 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 03:13:30PM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: On 23. 5. 2013 at 13:52:39, Simone Caronni wrote: I fiddle around with a new Nagios installation, then something stops working. I'm pretty sure it is some modifications in /etc/nagios/nagios.cfg but I cannot track it down. As an

Re: [heads-up] kbd using converted xkb layouts landing in Rawhide

2013-05-21 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 04:42:10PM +0200, Vitezslav Crhonek wrote: - there are symlinks from the old keymap names to the matching entries of the X11 keymaps (pairs taken from 'kbd-model-map' file in localed sources) The symlinks seem to be broken, because bot the deadkeys and the nondeadkeys

Re: New Fedora openid provider (fas-openid) in service

2013-05-01 Thread Till Maas
Hi, On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 05:19:50PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: More information is available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenID I hope that nobody used that until now, otherwise I am disappointed that nobody noticed before me that Firefox does not properly validate

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-05-01)

2013-05-01 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 07:37:03AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic.

Smock successor?

2013-04-04 Thread Till Maas
Hi everyone, I have been using smock.pl regularly and since it was not developed recently. I wonder what everyone else is using, e.g. does something better exist? If not, I am planning to give it a proper new home, currently I am trying out gitorious: https://gitorious.org/smock/smock/

Re: Smock successor?

2013-04-04 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 08:50:43AM -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: On 04/04/2013 06:44 AM, Till Maas wrote: Hi everyone, I have been using smock.pl regularly and since it was not developed recently. I wonder what everyone else is using, e.g. does something better exist? If not, I am

Re: Smock successor?

2013-04-04 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 09:34:22AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:47:12 +0200 Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: I have been using smock.pl regularly and since it was not developed

Re: Smock successor?

2013-04-04 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 12:34:51PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:30:02 +0200 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: Is it intended to be feature complete? Smock looks more like a simple build system, because it supports to build multiple archs/distros at once and uses

Re: well!

2013-03-12 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:47:07AM -0400, Digimer wrote: On 03/12/2013 12:41 AM, Charles Zeitler wrote: i don't like giving up control over my machine (partitioning), so i won't be upgrading to Fedora 18. i'll watch the web site for a return to sanity. charles zeitler Setting aside the

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-11 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 09:09:46PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: We are working on this in the systemd context. We will provide a tiny mechanism, similar to localed/timedated/hostnamed that can be used by desktop UIs to choose boot into firmware, and boot into other OS features, which can

Re: /usr/lib/debug ownership

2013-02-15 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 01:03:50PM +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: Thanks for reply... Still, I'm puzzled about 45 packages owning /usr/lib/debug, none of them the filesystem package. This looks weird, although I don't grasp the consequences (if any). A normal review rule says that a package

Re: Non-responsive Maintainer: mediawiki

2013-02-15 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:24:31AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On 15/02/13 05:44 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: You're both kind of right - the README.RPM file that comes in the mediawiki package tells you to run mw-createinstance path to create an instance and that sets up a document root in the

Re: /usr/lib/debug ownership

2013-02-15 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:50:28AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: - make a script to identify all the packages that are broken and shipping debug stuff. AT least for the directory a simple yum call should suffice: yum --disablerepo '*' --enablerepo fedora\* whatprovides /usr/lib/debug But it

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:38:30PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 23.01.13 14:20, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: I know we have discussed this before, but I've filed a FESCo ticket to ask them one way or another about the issue:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Package Signature Checking During Installation

2013-01-10 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 10:09:21AM -0500, Peter Jones wrote: As it stands you still need to verify that your netinst.iso (or whatever) boot image is what you mean to be using. There are ways we can address that, but it's not the problem I'm trying to solve with this particular feature.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Package Signature Checking During Installation

2013-01-10 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 02:41:54PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 17:56 +0100, Till Maas wrote: But why should anaconda not verify packages if secure boot is disabled? For the same reason Firefox doesn't automatically accept self-signed SSL certs, and the same reason

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Package Signature Checking During Installation

2013-01-10 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 04:25:18PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Problem 1: Root trust Currently this process is manually performed by checking a mental checkbox when a user downloads a Fedora image from fp.o. Having SecureBoot perform this process automatically is a +1, but not a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Package Signature Checking During Installation

2013-01-10 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 04:42:36PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Till Maas wrote: SecureBoot does not do this automatically, as it would allow to run a F18 install image that does no signature checking on packages. Therefore users still need to verify the image that they are going

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Package Signature Checking During Installation

2013-01-10 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 03:53:04PM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Then write the patch. That is all that this is going to take... even if it doesn't get incorporated it will be there for some probably large group that does want it (I would use it myself.) Because the current approach of

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Package Signature Checking During Installation

2013-01-08 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 03:20:41PM -0500, Peter Jones wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:28:03PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: I'll agree that most users probably don't verify their DVD images as it takes some manual work to do it properly, so that's another weak link, but the possibility

Re: Upstream release monitoring script gone awry?

2013-01-07 Thread Till Maas
Hi, On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 08:53:15PM +1100, Ankur Sinha wrote: I've received new bugs in the form: bibus-1...5...2 is available. There's already a bug for 1.5.2. Is something faulty with the script? yes, there was an incomplete patch added unintentionally to the script. All faulty bugs

Re: Rationalizing X and console keymaps and configuration (was Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps)

2013-01-03 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Oh sure. I guess I need to draw a distinction between what I see as two different cases. Which I'm sure you understand but I'm having trouble describing clearly. I guess what I'm saying is, if there's /etc/keyboard.conf

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-08 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 12:10:36AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 20:11 +0100, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 03:20:14PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 03:20:14PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaroslavReznik/FedupF18Final - not updated yet (jreznik, 18:58:15) * AGREED: Do not block on fedup signature checking (not

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 02:28:16PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 08:11:08PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaroslavReznik/FedupF18Final - not updated yet (jreznik, 18:58

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 06:32:20PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, I have been thinking about rawhide. I agree identifying the problems/issues would be good, and I think there's something we can do to help with that: Get a nice group of at least 10 or so folks who are active on this list

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-03 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 06:12:02PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/02/2012 06:05 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: No, they might simply have had nothing to do. Sometimes applications are stable, have no releases, and have no bugs files against them. sigh Then those individuals would

Re: comps for Fedora Security Lab

2012-10-21 Thread Till Maas
Hi, On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 02:36:49PM +0200, Fabian Affolter wrote: The Fedora Security Lab is an official spin since Fedora 13. So far all packages are handled direct in the kickstart file which is not very handy if you want to install the packages from a running Fedora installation. I

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 07:51:30PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To summarize: Previously: /var/log/secure readable only for root, /var/log/messages readable for everybody and including data from everybody. Currently (Fedora 17 and before) /var/log/message is only readably by root.

Unresponsive maintainer Jef Spaleta - Unpushed security update for 91 days

2012-10-05 Thread Till Maas
Hi, I noticed that the revelation security update was not pushed to stable. It is now 91 days old, which makes me suspect that Jef is somehow hindered to take care of it: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-10269/revelation-0.4.14-1.fc17

Re: Why is not enabled TapButton of touchpad on Fedora by default?

2012-09-27 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 02:47:47PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com wrote: I don't expect much of a consensus to arise around this point, so I suggest we check if in the main environments, the tap-to-click setting is easily accessible and

Re: Why is not enabled TapButton of touchpad on Fedora by default?

2012-09-27 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 05:42:47PM +0200, drago01 wrote: Not buying that. If you tap and nothing happens you may also think that something is broken why does my touchpad not work ... this is even more likely then your scenario. So this argument is flawed as well. You know more that it is

Re: bohdi AutoQA: depcheck test FAILED

2012-08-21 Thread Till Maas
Aloas, On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:22:10AM -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: hi, i need help, because the AutoQA DepCheck fails on the package speed-dreams,but the package was pushed anyway. AutoQA DepCheck log:

Updated list (was: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18)

2012-08-04 Thread Till Maas
Here is an updated list: Package boolstuff (orphan) Package cmucl (orphan) comaintained by: green Package globalplatform (orphan) Package gpshell (orphan) Package gtkmm-utils (orphan) Package hamster-applet (orphan) Package hartke-aurulent-sans-fonts (orphan) Package json (orphan) Package

Re: Going to orphan: tritonus

2012-07-27 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 05:37:44PM +0200, Lukas Zapletal wrote: I'm going to orphan tritonus package, it's an old java audio api that does not build anymore on Rawhide and getting it working would require too much time on OpenJDK 1.7. This sounds more that it should be retired instead:

Re: Mass rebuild for Fedora 18 Complete

2012-07-25 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 06:09:12PM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 07/25/2012 06:03 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 18:11 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: http://ausil.fedorapeople.org/f18-needsbuilt.html I found different problem. My packages at and cronie weren't build,

wyrd/ocaml problem (was: Re: Mass rebuild for Fedora 18 Complete)

2012-07-23 Thread Till Maas
Hi, can someone tell me what is wrong with wyrd? build.log says (http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8809/4318809/build.log): | ocaml version is 4.00.0+beta2 | ocaml library path is /usr/lib/ocaml | configure: error: Wyrd requires OCaml version 3.08 or greater. The configure scripts

Re: wyrd/ocaml problem (was: Re: Mass rebuild for Fedora 18 Complete)

2012-07-23 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 08:03:42PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: Hint: Focus on line 1794. Thank you, I somehow read it as it was meant. :-( Regards Till -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Upstream Release Monitoring status posting

2012-07-16 Thread Till Maas
Hi, I was asked to send to send the status of the last run of the Upstream Release Monitoring tool to this list. It would consist of all lines in http://till.fedorapeople.org/tmp/cnucnu-last.log that mention that a package is outdated. Would you welcome this or find it disturbing? I think it

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 18

2012-07-09 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 08:40:23AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:54:38 +0200 Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 06/07/12 22:55, Bill Nottingham wrote: Package html401-dtds (orphan) comaintained by: gnat Does it mean, we won't have HTML 4.01 DTDs packaged in

Re: Upstream Release Monitoring temporary down

2012-07-05 Thread Till Maas
Hello, On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 09:43:48PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: due to the recent Bugzilla update Upstream Release Monitoring[0] cannot report bugs currently. I noticed that there has been some recent activity in python-bugzilla[1] that might fix this. [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Upstream Release Monitoring temporary down

2012-07-05 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 08:37:06AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:02:49AM +0200, Till Maas wrote: toshio python-docutils (none) toshio python-unicodenazi dmalcolm toshio trac-bazaar-plugin (none) At least these three seem to be working fine from cnucnu --shell

Re: Upstream Release Monitoring temporary down

2012-07-05 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 10:24:17AM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 07/04/2012 04:02 PM, Till Maas wrote: orion maven-ant-tasks java-sig This looks good to me and seems to work from cnucnu but I do get: Upstream Versions: ['2.0.10', '2.0.10', '2.0.6', '2.0.6', '2.0.7', '2.0.7', '2.0.8

Re: Upstream Release Monitoring temporary down

2012-07-05 Thread Till Maas
Hi, To ease the debugging, I uploaded the output of the last run: http://till.fedorapeople.org/tmp/cnucnu-last.log Regards Till -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Upstream Release Monitoring temporary down

2012-07-05 Thread Till Maas
Hello, On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 09:43:48PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: due to the recent Bugzilla update Upstream Release Monitoring[0] cannot report bugs currently. I noticed that there has been some recent activity in python-bugzilla[1] that might fix this. [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Support for legacy init script actions for systemd services

2012-06-26 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 04:11:19PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: BEST PRACTICES 1) A legacy action of this sort should print to stderr the preferred way to accomplish the task, if one is supported. 2) Don't package a legacy action for new scripts or actions that were not supported by the

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-19 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 01:10:34PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: * ticket 864 F18 Feature: DNF - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF (nirik, 17:44:17) * AGREED: Feature is approved (+8/0) (nirik, 17:56:59) It would help a lot if a features are only approved, when they have

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-19 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 08:36:31AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: Josh Boyer wrote on 19.06.2012 13:42: Because you can't click on the link and read about the feature where it describes this in detail? You can,

Upstream Release Monitoring temporary down

2012-05-30 Thread Till Maas
Hi everyone, due to the recent Bugzilla update Upstream Release Monitoring[0] cannot report bugs currently. I noticed that there has been some recent activity in python-bugzilla[1] that might fix this. Regards Till [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upstream_release_monitoring [1]

Upstream Release Monitoring temporary down

2012-05-30 Thread Till Maas
Hi everyone, due to the recent Bugzilla update Upstream Release Monitoring[0] cannot report bugs currently. I noticed that there has been some recent activity in python-bugzilla[1] that might fix this. Regards Till [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upstream_release_monitoring [1]

Re: /usr/sbin/validate clash with /usr/bin/validate

2012-05-24 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 02:33:11PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: We're (sort of) trying to phase out /usr/libexec in favor of %{_libdir}/%{name}/foo, but otherwise that sounds good. But then the location if a command will depend on whether the system is a 64 or 32 bit system, which makes it more

Re: /usr/sbin/validate clash with /usr/bin/validate

2012-05-24 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 09:13:51AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On 5/24/12 7:50 AM, Till Maas wrote: But then the location if a command will depend on whether the system is a 64 or 32 bit system, which makes it more error prone to write software that uses such commands on both kind of systems

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2012-04-16 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 04:57:29PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote: Packages which have SysV initscripts that contain 'non-standard service commands' (commands besides start, stop, reload, restart, or try-restart) must convert those commands into standalone helper scripts. Systemd does not support

Re: [Repost] What is Error: Protected multilib versions

2012-04-05 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 06:54:36PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Is there any information about when this should be used? I don't think I've ever written a spec file that uses it. I think it is whenever a package containing a library (i.e. a multilib package) is required via the package's

Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17

2012-03-07 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 06:36:23PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: It was my understanding that packages that are FTBFS prior to F-15 (ie not had a successful build in F-15 or

Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17

2012-03-07 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 06:19:39PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: There hasn't been FTBFS bug reports since Matt stopped doing them due to lack of time, the maintainer would have got failed builds for the mass rebuild and should have investigated as part of maintaining the package. Is this

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 07:13:03AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Or perhaps better asked, what about rawhide makes it unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora release? The rpm packages in Rawhide are not signed. Regards Till -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: %bcond_with is backwards?

2011-12-08 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 06:10:17PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: # conditionalize Ocaml support %ifarch sparc64 s390 s390x %bcond_with ocaml %else %bcond_without ocaml %endif #... %if %{with ocaml} BuildRequires: ocaml BuildRequires: ocaml-findlib-devel %endif This code

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 05:32:56PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: It would be reasonable, on the beginning of each development cycle, to publish a list of packages which were not touched by it maintainer in previous release. For all these packages, new co-maintainer could stepped up and they

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:05:37AM -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: 2011/11/22 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to: One area where we could probably do more advertising for is getting new packagers via the co-maintainer route. I think most of the new packagers still come in by packaging a new package.

Re: Changing kernel API / Breaking VirtualBox - update criteria violation?

2011-11-22 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 01:21:40PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: We have considered it. A really long time ago. At that time, it was decided that we consider out-of-tree modules to be something we don't support, don't care about, and won't hold up updates for because of the aforementioned

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:51:52AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:40:52 +0100 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 02:03:43PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: This has come up nearly every release cycle. Problem is that nobody can seem to agree

Re: A Glorious Vision of Our Shared Update Feedback Future (bodhi, karma, and proventesters, oh my)

2011-11-22 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 01:03:05PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: * The list of test cases associated with the package, with a PASS / FAIL choice for each A Did not test choice is missing here. Regards Till -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-21 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 02:03:43PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: This has come up nearly every release cycle. Problem is that nobody can seem to agree on what an appropriate sign of life would be, no has made a serious FESCo proposal for a contrived sign of life. I remember that there has been

Review swap

2011-11-21 Thread Till Maas
Hi, I want to offer a review swap for hxtools: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683610 It is a dependency I need to update and probably fix several bugs in pam_mount. Regards Till -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 01:45:45PM +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: It's not only an aesthetic issue. This enables possibilities, which were not doable

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 06:41:21PM +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: On 10/25/2011 05:30 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 01:45:45PM +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM

Re: Upstream Release Monitor

2011-10-12 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 03:06:46PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: out of interest - are there any plans to auto-close bugs once the new version hits rawhide? No, this is not planned. But you do not need to close bugs, because old bugs are re-used unless they changed status. Regards Till --

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-11 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:49:54AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: There obviously is a _legitimate_ question as to whether you ought to be able to add your package into anyone else's update if you aren't a provenpackager; it's not necessarily something we'd want to do. But I think

Re: Upstream Release Monitor

2011-10-11 Thread Till Maas
Hi, On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 09:35:33AM -0500, Nathan O. wrote: I am curious or maybe giving an idea, but I have my package listed there and currently there is an update for the package I have added to the list. Well I have the package in bodhi, which I believe is in testing right now. The

Re: Upstream Release Monitor

2011-10-11 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 03:07:11PM -0500, Nathan O. wrote: Thanks for all the help, and glad it seemed to help you find a issue with URM, Till Thank you for the report. I dug a little deeper and identified and fixed the bug that was responsible for the multiple bug reports. Kind regards Till

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