Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

> Dnia 18 maj 2017 o 23:19 Reindl Harald napisał(a): > > > > > Am 18.05.2017 um 23:13 schrieb Rafal Luzynski: > > On 18 May 2017 at 11:03, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > >> It's not just packages with explicitly published dependencies. It's a > >> lot of

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 18 May 2017 at 11:03, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > It's not just packages with explicitly published dependencies. It's a > lot of configuration tools with implicit dependencies, whose authors > didn't imagine at the time of authorship that basic utilities like >

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 18 May 2017 at 14:21, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> >> That's fine Nico, and I'll remind you I'm not in any way proposing >> removal of net-tools from the repositories. > > Cool. "Deprecated" can often imply that the toolkit is due to be > removed, so I personally just wanted

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 6:54 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > On 18 May 2017 at 11:03, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:31 AM, James Hogarth >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 17 May 2017 8:24 pm, "Tom Hughes"

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 18 May 2017 at 11:03, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:31 AM, James Hogarth > wrote: >> >> >> On 17 May 2017 8:24 pm, "Tom Hughes" wrote: >> >> On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote: >>> >>> Once upon a time, Ian

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Thu, 2017-05-18 at 10:23 +0100, James Hogarth wrote: > On 18 May 2017 at 09:16, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:29:42PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a > > >

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:31 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > > > On 17 May 2017 8:24 pm, "Tom Hughes" wrote: > > On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote: >> >> Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said: >>> >>> Removing RPM dependencies on the

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 18 May 2017 at 09:16, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:29:42PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: >> Hi, >> >> It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a >> reasonable number of packages that still depend on net-tools[0]. > > What's

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:29:42PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: > Hi, > > It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a > reasonable number of packages that still depend on net-tools[0]. What's wrong with net-tools? I always install it on my machines to get the familiar

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 17 May 2017 8:24 pm, "Tom Hughes" wrote: On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said: > >> Removing RPM dependencies on the net-tools package and deciding whether >> it should be installed by default are two separate

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:16:27PM +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > I don't mind removing dependencies on net-tools, as long as there > > still exists these commands in the default install: > > > > netstat > > arp > >

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

Hi, On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Here is a list of binary commands in net-tools: > > /usr/bin/netstat > /usr/sbin/arp > /usr/sbin/ether-wake > /usr/sbin/ifconfig > /usr/sbin/ipmaddr > /usr/sbin/iptunnel > /usr/sbin/mii-diag > /usr/sbin/mii-tool >

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said: Removing RPM dependencies on the net-tools package and deciding whether it should be installed by default are two separate (albeit related) discussions. The subject of the thread here is

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said: > Removing RPM dependencies on the net-tools package and deciding whether > it should be installed by default are two separate (albeit related) > discussions. The subject of the thread here is "deprecated", which implies removing the

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 05/17/2017 12:47 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: I don't mind removing dependencies on net-tools, as long as there still exists these commands in the default install: netstat arp ifconfig route I consider those to be a basic part of the user interface of any Linux/UNIX system--there is too much

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 07:04:46PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 13:47 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > Here is a list of binary commands in net-tools: > > > > /usr/bin/netstat > > /usr/sbin/arp > > /usr/sbin/ether-wake > > /usr/sbin/ifconfig > > /usr/sbin/ipmaddr > >

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

Once upon a time, Chuck Anderson said: > Here is a list of binary commands in net-tools: > /usr/sbin/ether-wake > /usr/sbin/ipmaddr > /usr/sbin/iptunnel > /usr/sbin/mii-diag > /usr/sbin/mii-tool > /usr/sbin/plipconfig > /usr/sbin/slattach Are there replacements for the above? I

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 13:47 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 06:33:53PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: > > On 17 May 2017 4:35 pm, "Peter Robinson" > > wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Miller > > wrote: >

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 06:33:53PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: > On 17 May 2017 4:35 pm, "Peter Robinson" wrote: > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:15:51AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: > >>

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 17 May 2017 4:35 pm, "Peter Robinson" wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:15:51AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: >> On 17 May 2017 at 08:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >>

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:15:51AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: >> On 17 May 2017 at 08:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> > Converting apps from nettools to iproute is often non-trivial piece >>

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:15:51AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: > On 17 May 2017 at 08:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > Converting apps from nettools to iproute is often non-trivial piece > > of work. As such isn't really something Fedora package maintainers > > should look

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 17 May 2017 at 08:55, Jon Kent wrote: > I'd agree with that. In addition so many peoples own scripts rely on them > that the user impact could be huge. That and every SA I know (and me) > dislikes the ip tool with a passion. > Well ignoring emotional reasons for a moment,

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

I'd agree with that. In addition so many peoples own scripts rely on them that the user impact could be huge. That and every SA I know (and me) dislikes the ip tool with a passion. Regards, Jon On Wed, 17 May 2017, 08:47 Daniel P. Berrange, wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2017

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:29:42PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote: > Hi, > > It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a > reasonable number of packages that still depend on net-tools[0]. > > This has been deprecated for a long time now and we really should > strive to have

Re: Deprecated net-tools? Mass bug filing?

On 16 May 2017 at 18:29, James Hogarth wrote: > Hi, > > It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a > reasonable number of packages that still depend on net-tools[0]. > > This has been deprecated for a long time now and we really should > strive to