Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 07:33 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:06:12AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:03 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:00AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me I

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread David Tardon
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:24:39AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:12 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:20:18AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote: If you can't handle that, then Fedora development might not be

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 07:57 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:24:39AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:12 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:20:18AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote: If you can't handle

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread David Tardon
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:43:48AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:33 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:06:12AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:03 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:00AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread David Tardon
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 08:19:29AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:57 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:24:39AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:12 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:20:18AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 02 février 2013 à 06:29 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson a écrit : On 02/02/2013 02:39 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.02.2013 03:08, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me I have to talk to my manager first before upgrading his

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 08:31 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:43:48AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:33 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:06:12AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:03 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 08:41 AM, Michael Scherer wrote: Le samedi 02 février 2013 à 06:29 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson a écrit : On 02/02/2013 02:39 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.02.2013 03:08, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me I have to talk to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 08:38 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 08:19:29AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:57 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:24:39AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:12 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Then Rahul how about a wiki page about all the RH employees that are maintaining components in the distribution that have to vs those that want to. If you want to, go ahead. Noone is stopping you. Rahul -- devel mailing list

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: And in the midst of me doing this research I have to have Bill Notting butting into my work ( and I know what that means ), trying to come up with his own list instead of simply

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: And in the midst of me doing this research I have to have Bill Notting butting into my work ( and I know what

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson And Bills behavior towards me has been so civilized through out the years. If he leaves me and my work alone and general stays away from me maybe I will... You are just proving David Tardon's point here. You have no monopoly on

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/01/2013 07:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson And Bills behavior towards me has been so civilized through out the years. If he leaves me and my work alone and general stays away from me maybe I will... You are just proving David

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 07:28:56PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I personally would have preferred people waiting and giving me the chance to go through all the cron jobs and make my presentation and findings to fesco then afterwards discuss the merits of making the switch for the cron

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I dont mind everyone else opinions and criticism or help staying in and out of my works and what not except Bill's after the treatment he has given me over the years. I have no idea what treatment you are talking about.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/01/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: And in the midst of me doing this research I have to have Bill

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/01/2013 07:35 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 07:28:56PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I personally would have preferred people waiting and giving me the chance to go through all the cron jobs and make my presentation and findings to fesco then afterwards discuss

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/01/2013 07:41 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I dont mind everyone else opinions and criticism or help staying in and out of my works and what not except Bill's after the treatment he has given me over the years. I

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.comwrote: On 02/01/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, Jóhann B.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 07:39:48PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I really don't understand how it hurts to have multiple people look at the information. The plan was to gather that information and give people something to actually look at. So... more information is good, right? --

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I dont know if that group actually is active and on one of the group when it got formed it was proposed that Red Hat employees would get *special* treatment within the project and the CWG would speak with their *managers* so much

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/01/2013 08:04 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Again, your complaint here seems very vague. Please provide references. If there is a complaint about someone working in a company that itself is involved in the project, it is not unexpected it will get escalated to their manager to help

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson You can go yourself through the community working log meetings to find my reference. I would expect RH employee ( and other corporation's employee ) sitting at the same table as their community brethren's and not having to worries

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: On 01/31/2013 03:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: I would be tempted to say: Anything running at a core system level where a dependence on a separate cron daemon may be unwanted (or a bad idea) should be migrated, and nothing else for now

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: In any case, to look at 'we have this functionality... now what': For the sake of completeness, the default is 0) Avoid all the arguments and work, and continue using existing files. Is there actually a noticeable

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 1 February 2013 15:57, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: In any case, to look at 'we have this functionality... now what': For the sake of completeness, the default is 0) Avoid all the arguments and work, and

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/01/2013 08:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson You can go yourself through the community working log meetings to find my reference. I would expect RH employee ( and other corporation's employee ) sitting at the same

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/01/2013 11:14 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 1 February 2013 15:57, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: In any case, to look at 'we have this functionality... now what': For the sake of completeness, the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 19:38 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/01/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 01:16 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 19:38 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/01/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 01:25:09 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: community. Do you really want to head down this road with me? Go ahead big man make my day! This is not appropriate behavior for a Fedora contributor. -- devel mailing list

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:36:20PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: 3) introduce compatibility The cron and at interfaces aren't complex at all. It shouldn't be too hard to have a generator that reads crontab and cron.*, and the at queue, and creates the approprate timer files for systemd, in

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.comwrote: I know few RH employees who would beg the differ, many of which go above and beyond their corporate duties but I'll remember your remarks. It's good to know there exist that corporate line... You don't seem

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 01:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com mailto:johan...@gmail.com wrote: I know few RH employees who would beg the differ, many of which go above and beyond their corporate duties but I'll remember

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Either RH employees are participating in the project by their own free will or not. I have personally meet both sides which has gotten me confused and conflicted. Employees can have assigned duties as well as projects of

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 01:25 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Feeling happy in the Red Hat position they invented for you in QA. Feeling a big man now? Challenged accepted big man you have in your rein of error effectively killed 2 thriving process in the QA community. Do you really want

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com said: Feeling happy in the Red Hat position they invented for you in QA. Feeling a big man now? Challenged accepted big man you have in your rein of error effectively killed 2 thriving process in the QA community. Do you really want

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 02:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 01:25 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Feeling happy in the Red Hat position they invented for you in QA. Feeling a big man now? Challenged accepted big man you have in your rein of error effectively killed 2 thriving

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com said: Feeling happy in the Red Hat position they invented for you in QA. Feeling a big man now? Challenged accepted big man you have in your rein of error effectively killed 2 thriving process

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 02:39 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.02.2013 03:08, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me I have to talk to my manager first before upgrading his component that rings alarm bells to me, That gives me the feel that they are

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 02:28 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Either RH employees are participating in the project by their own free will or not. I have personally meet both sides which has gotten me confused and conflicted.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread David Tardon
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:00AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me I have to talk to my manager first before upgrading his component that rings alarm bells to me, That gives me the feel that they are maintaining their components as

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 07:03 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:00AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me I have to talk to my manager first before upgrading his component that rings alarm bells to me, That gives me the feel

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread David Tardon
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:20:18AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote: If you can't handle that, then Fedora development might not be the right place for you. Get the fuck out before you get in my business. If you want to test me here I am deal

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/02/2013 07:12 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:20:18AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote: If you can't handle that, then Fedora development might not be the right place for you. Get the fuck out before you get in my

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread David Tardon
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:06:12AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:03 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:00AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me I have to talk to my manager first before

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 07:24 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 07:12 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:20:18AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote: If you can't handle that, then Fedora development might not be the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 30 janvier 2013 19:07, Bill Nottingham a écrit : it's wasteful in terms of builds and updates for users to be updating all of systemd just to add a new French keymap conversion, esp. since users want their keyboard to work the same in gui and the console, so putting the keymaps in

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Marcela Mašláňová (mmasl...@redhat.com) said: I would say that work even before. If I should say according to number of bugs, not many users were using specific SElinux contexts for cronjob tasks. No objection to this feature, it might be very powerful for some use-cases. I'm afraid of

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) said: On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 14:30 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: This is interesting, in that it's a feature that's occasionally requested by various users and administrators. However, this is rather limited in that only systemd stuff is using it now,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 03:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: I would be tempted to say: Anything running at a core system level where a dependence on a separate cron daemon may be unwanted (or a bad idea) should be migrated, and nothing else for now until we have a clearer perspective on the future. Given

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:51:45 -0500, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: I would be tempted to say: Anything running at a core system level where a dependence on a separate cron daemon may be unwanted (or a bad idea) should be migrated, and nothing else for now until we have a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 04:23 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:51:45 -0500, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: I would be tempted to say: Anything running at a core system level where a dependence on a separate cron daemon may be unwanted (or a bad idea) should be

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I'm the one that has been looking into the benefit from which component and of which cron job it would be useful for migrating to systemd timer units and that's totally irrelevant to that feature as I mentioned to FESCO but

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 05:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I'm the one that has been looking into the benefit from which component and of which cron job it would be useful for migrating to systemd timer units and that's totally

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 17:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/31/2013 05:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I'm the one that has been looking into the benefit from which component and of which cron job it would

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:03 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 30 janvier 2013 19:07, Bill Nottingham a écrit : it's wasteful in terms of builds and updates for users to be updating all of systemd just to add a new French keymap conversion, esp. since users want their keyboard to work

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Have fun with your proposals and implementing them just dont mix the cron migration up with the timer units ( which has been there from the get go )... You seem confused. I don't have any proposals Rahul -- devel mailing

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 07:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 17:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/31/2013 05:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I'm the one that has been looking into the benefit from which

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 07:27 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Have fun with your proposals and implementing them just dont mix the cron migration up with the timer units ( which has been there from the get go )... You seem

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Then stay out of this. I don't think that is a reasonable request. This is a public mailing list after all. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/01/2013 12:31 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Then stay out of this. I don't think that is a reasonable request. This is a public mailing list after all. I'm not seeing asking you to stay out of this is an

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I'm not seeing asking you to stay out of this is an unreasonable request nor this being a public mailinglist has anything to do with that request after you stated you had no proposal. I guess I must still be confused...

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread David Tardon
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: And in the midst of me doing this research I have to have Bill Notting butting into my work ( and I know what that means ), trying to come up with his own list instead of simply asking me for the one I was looking at [¹]

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-30 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On 01/30/13 01:08, Kay Sievers wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Kay Sievers (k...@vrfy.org) said: Realistically, it's new textual files, replacing old textual files, which are then compiled into a binary file. I'm not sure why there's the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-30 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Gerd Hoffmann kra...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/30/13 01:08, Kay Sievers wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Kay Sievers (k...@vrfy.org) said: Realistically, it's new textual files, replacing old textual files, which

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-30 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On 01/30/13 11:55, Kay Sievers wrote: Hi, Still looks pointless. You convert the old-format into new-format, then compile new-format into the database. It's not obvious why you don't go straight from old-format to the database. hwdata package updates would directly show up in the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-30 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Gerd Hoffmann kra...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/30/13 11:55, Kay Sievers wrote: Hi, Still looks pointless. You convert the old-format into new-format, then compile new-format into the database. It's not obvious why you don't go straight from old-format to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org wrote: And because a major part of the data the hwdb will carry in the future will be the equivalent of udev rules, and should not be shipped by a different package, because it it might carry specifics needed for a certain

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kay Sievers (k...@vrfy.org) said: Either you're intending for the lifetime of your OS to be shipping systemd updates that update the base data set, I don't intend to ship update packages in the context of systemd, we can just update the data in the package like we add patches for other

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-30 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2013-01-30 at 13:07 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Kay Sievers (k...@vrfy.org) said: Either you're intending for the lifetime of your OS to be shipping systemd updates that update the base data set, I don't intend to ship update packages in the context of systemd, we can

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:18:40 +0100 Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: +1 million - another data point - ca-certificates package - it was much cleaner to split it out of openssl. +1 a lot from me too. Adding to churn of a core system component to simply update data files is bad. kevin

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-30 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 07:18:40PM +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote: The point is, we've done this in the past where we shipped the data with the tools, and we very quickly moved to shipping the data separate - it's cleaner, allows for just updating the data when necessary, and it forces people to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Features/SystemdHardwareDatabase = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdHardwareDatabase Feature owner(s): Kay Sievers kay at redhat dot com The udevd service has a long history of managing kernel devices.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: Some years ago all hardware data was moved out of various separate packages into the hwdata package (even if it meant moving it out of the original upstream source). The feature page doesn't even mention the hwdata package. AFAICS this 1) Duplicates

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: = Features/SystemdMessageCatalog = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdMessageCatalog Feature owner(s): Lennart Poettering lennart at poettering dot net Logging is essential for finding and tracking down system problems. Just finding

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 29.01.13 20:07, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Features/SystemdHardwareDatabase = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdHardwareDatabase Feature owner(s): Kay Sievers kay at redhat dot

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 29.01.13 14:30, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: = Features/SystemdMessageCatalog = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdMessageCatalog Feature owner(s): Lennart Poettering lennart at poettering dot net

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 14:30 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: This is interesting, in that it's a feature that's occasionally requested by various users and administrators. However, this is rather limited in that only systemd stuff is using it now, and it's tied to the journal API. Actually,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Features/SystemdHardwareDatabase = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdHardwareDatabase Feature owner(s): Kay Sievers kay at redhat dot

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kay Sievers (k...@vrfy.org) said: The hwdb is drop-in directory based, which means: - additionally installed data overwrites shipped data - stuff with the same file name in /etc/ disables stuff in /usr/lib/ Users can just install update packages, or add their own files, which will not

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Kay Sievers (k...@vrfy.org) said: The hwdb is drop-in directory based, which means: - additionally installed data overwrites shipped data - stuff with the same file name in /etc/ disables stuff in /usr/lib/ Users

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kay Sievers (k...@vrfy.org) said: Realistically, it's new textual files, replacing old textual files, which are then compiled into a binary file. I'm not sure why there's the intermediate step of a second textual format, but there is. Because the original text file is a hack and a format

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-29 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Kay Sievers (k...@vrfy.org) said: Realistically, it's new textual files, replacing old textual files, which are then compiled into a binary file. I'm not sure why there's the intermediate step of a second textual

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-28 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 01/27/2013 04:36 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: Le dimanche 27 janvier 2013 à 09:49 -0500, Sam Varshavchik a écrit : Jaroslav Reznik writes: Announcing various systemd features in one announcement, see bellow: = Features/SystemdCalendarTimers =

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-28 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/28/2013 02:56 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 01/27/2013 04:36 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: Le dimanche 27 janvier 2013 à 09:49 -0500, Sam Varshavchik a écrit : Jaroslav Reznik writes: Announcing various systemd features in one announcement, see bellow: = Features/SystemdCalendarTimers

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-28 Thread Ales Ledvinka
. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 4:01:40 PM Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features On 01/28/2013 02:56 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 01/27/2013 04:36 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: Le dimanche 27 janvier 2013 à 09:49

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-27 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Jaroslav Reznik writes: Announcing various systemd features in one announcement, see bellow: = Features/SystemdCalendarTimers = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdCalendarTimers Feature owner(s): Lennart Poettering lennart at poettering dot net systemd has supported timer units

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-27 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 27 janvier 2013 à 09:49 -0500, Sam Varshavchik a écrit : Jaroslav Reznik writes: Announcing various systemd features in one announcement, see bellow: = Features/SystemdCalendarTimers = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdCalendarTimers Feature owner(s):

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-27 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote: Jaroslav Reznik writes: Announcing various systemd features in one announcement, see bellow: = Features/SystemdCalendarTimers = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdCalendarTimers Feature owner(s):