Re: DHCPv6 support in Network Manager isn't RFC compliant

2011-07-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 16:12 +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: * Paul Wouters Stopping the firewall did not help me on ietf-v6ONLY though. I still got not DNS entry in /etc/resolv.conf and on top of that my routing seemed to not have a working default route. [...] [paul@thinkpad ~]$ ip

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-07-30 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 11:46 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 07/30/2011 10:37 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Sat, 30.07.11 10:31, Genes MailLists (li...@sapience.com) wrote: http://cafbit.com/entry/rapid_dhcp_or_how_do IIRC connman (i.e. NM's competition) can do the ARP magic,

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Williams
determine what connection we should be associating with the link as you describe. Dan Nathaniel On Jul 30, 2011 6:45 PM, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 11:46 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 07/30/2011 10:37 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Sat, 30.07.11 10:31

Re: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 12:25 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 31.07.2011 12:17, schrieb David Woodhouse: On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 16:37 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: IIRC connman (i.e. NM's competition) can do the ARP magic, too. I don't think so. ConnMan doesn't remember the last DHCP

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:10 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 19:41 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: Dan, that works on wireless networks. On wired networks the ARP technique determines *which* of the valid leases you should attempt to restore. So on a wired network you

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-03 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 00:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 17:12 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 08/01/2011 07:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It seems like there's SOMETHING which has to happen after wake before NM even attempts to re-establish a connection, and that's

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-15 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 13:43 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com wrote: On 08/03/2011 01:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: The Ubuntu NM maintainer has posted a WIP patch that makes NM say it's connected immediately if at least one

Re: NetworkManager, openswan and l2tp

2011-08-25 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 11:00 +0200, Eberhard Schruefer wrote: Hello, I need to connect to a site via l2tp/openswan. I can set up openswan and xl2tpd manually and this works fine. However, bringing up the connection is not very comfortable and it would be much nicer to be able to use the

Re: NetworkManager, openswan and l2tp

2011-08-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 11:50 -0400, Avesh Agarwal wrote: On 08/26/2011 05:09 AM, Eberhard Schruefer wrote: On 08/25/2011 13:57 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 11:00 +0200, Eberhard Schruefer wrote: Hello, I need to connect to a site via l2tp/openswan. I can set up

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 11:23 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Tomas Mraz wrote: solve a part of the problem how can you even consider removing the ability for disabling dnssec when implementing and deploying and running dnssec increases the complexity times hundred and

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 12:37 +0200, Adam Tkac wrote: On 09/20/2011 05:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 14:00 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: Hi developers of NM and Fedora, We are trying to get DNSSEC validation on the end nodes. One way of doing that is to run a caching

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 14:26 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Dan Williams wrote: But I'm not really familiar with unbound. Is it a long-running service? Yes, It's a fully dnssec validating caching resolver. You start it at boot and leave it running. What does its

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 22:29 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:27:41AM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: right. the big problem is not working around a broken network or a network with an attacker. The problem is false positives due to the pletora of hotspot mangling

Re: HAL depreciated, but what replaced it?

2011-10-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 19:44 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: I'm the maintainer of a (relatively) simple python utility called discspan[1] which I'd like to package for Fedora. It currently relies on HAL via dbus to determine when media is loaded and its capacity. I'm trying to remove the

Re: HAL depreciated, but what replaced it?

2011-10-14 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 09:13 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: udev replaced HAL, along with some additional helpers. udev has a database too, much like HAL. You can use libudev or libgudev (if you use glib) to talk to udev

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-24 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 21:22 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le jeudi 20 octobre 2011 à 13:08 -0500, Dan Williams a écrit : If you architect a system that accounts for networking changing states, then it works for *everyone*. If you depend on networking always being there, then it only

Re: F16 my network doesn't work after an update and I don't know how to fix it...

2011-10-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 18:18 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, Today I updated my F16 to latest version. After a while I noticed some problems with network, I rebooted system and after this my network on this box doesn't work anymore. I use NetworkManager and dhcp. During the update

Heads up: bumping libnl to v3 in rawhide/F17 soon

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
Hi, At some point here I'm going to bump libnl to version 3 in rawhide. The libnl 1.1 we use today is way out of date and we want version 3 for the enhanced capabilities like bonding, bridging, vlan, etc. This *does* mean an API break, so packages will need to be updated for libnl3. The

Re: Heads up: bumping libnl to v3 in rawhide/F17 soon

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 12:41 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) said: At some point here I'm going to bump libnl to version 3 in rawhide. The libnl 1.1 we use today is way out of date and we want version 3 for the enhanced capabilities like bonding, bridging, vlan

Re: Heads up: bumping libnl to v3 in rawhide/F17 soon

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 13:05 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) said: I believe libnl3 *might* be parallel installable; I've had conversations with tgraf about how to make it so. I'll investigate once the upstream git repo comes back online. In the past

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 18:08 +, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/8/11 12:09 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: 2011/11/8 Richard Hugheshughsi...@gmail.com: 2011/11/7 Michał Piotrowskimkkp...@gmail.com: Out of curiosity I wanted

Re: Heads up: bumping libnl to v3 in rawhide/F17 soon

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 22:21 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 11/08/2011 06:10 PM, Dan Williams wrote: Hi, At some point here I'm going to bump libnl to version 3 in rawhide. The libnl 1.1 we use today is way out of date and we want version 3 for the enhanced capabilities like bonding

Re: Advanced IPv6 in NetworkManager

2011-11-14 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 22:39 +0100, Ola Thoresen wrote: On 11/14/2011 06:43 PM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 02:43:10PM +0100, Ola Thoresen wrote: So you say that both IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes IPV6ADDR_SECONDARIES=2001:840:0:11::30/64 Shoudl work? (Have not tested

Re: systemd and changes

2010-09-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 10:54 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu said: NM can use old style /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*. Can't you just write those out from your %post section? Or, if you want all the NM features like WPA wireless config,

Re: systemd and changes

2010-09-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 15:57 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 11:17 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: Great. It works fine on a laptop, in general. But on a desktop/server/workstation that is connected

Re: systemd and changes

2010-09-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 13:02 +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:43:41AM +0200, Thomas Moschny wrote: 2010/8/27 Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net: That's strange. I use it on my laptop, which has a caching local DNS server (dnsmasq) and it works just fine. I do have a

Re: systemd and changes

2010-09-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 19:58 +0100, Mark Chappell wrote: On 27/08/2010, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: NM doesn't (yet?) support: - bridges: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=558982 - vlans: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492377 That would explain why I

Re: NM during install - howto setup on boot?

2010-09-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:00 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 16:57 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: I was participating in the Systemd Fedora Test Day and installed the latest Fedora 14 build. I found a few problems (I will file bugs) but before I file a bug about NetworkManager,

Re: NM during install - howto setup on boot?

2010-09-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 19:58 +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 08.09.2010 19:55, schrieb Dan Williams: The expected way to do this is to use the config window in Anaconda, create a new connection set up the way you want, check Connect

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 21:29 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.10.2012 19:19, schrieb Lennart Poettering: On Tue, 09.10.12 15:19, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote: On 09/10/12 15:04, Lennart Poettering wrote: h) It's much shorter to type: journalctl than less /var/log/messages.

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:41 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 9 October 2012 15:24, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then use something else,

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then use

Re: network service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-06 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:47 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: I have a Wifi card that is supposed to be managed by the network service. The interface's IP addresses, prefixes, routes and all that get assigned correctly on boot, but the wireless parameters – mode, ESSID and channel – do not get

Re: network service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 23:16 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:47 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: I have a Wifi card that is supposed to be managed by the network service. The interface's IP addresses, prefixes, routes and all that get assigned

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 02:33 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: Apparently the new version of polkit brings in javascript. The js package is 6.5MB. I think anything that uses polkit will depend on it -- can we remove it from core? Of course, the real question is why the heck

Re: Network interface renaming, where does INTERFACE_NAME get applied?

2012-11-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 00:45 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 09.11.12 11:42, Daniel Drake (d...@laptop.org) wrote: Hi Bill I see that initscripts in F18 ships this udev rule: ACTION==add, SUBSYSTEM==net, PROGRAM=/lib/udev/rename_device, RESULT==?*,

Re: Resurrecting deprecated system-config-network package for the time being

2012-11-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:08 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 17:51 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: Hi, as nmcli doesn't yet offer all functionality s-c-network-tui had for configuring networks on the command line, I want to resurrect system-config-network for the time

Re: fltk

2012-12-19 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 11:23 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: In some cases you can get DSO linking errors when you don't explicitly link to those other packages. People building from source might not care, but this can

Re: fltk

2012-12-19 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 11:56 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: It's the other way around. If libfoo 1.0.0 linked with -lbar and -lm, and then you upgraded to libfoo 1.0.1 which *no longer* links to -lm, now stuff that links

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 02:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 21.01.13 10:25, Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: The glibc maintainers don't seem to be against this idea and I am willing to put time into design and implementation. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 09:48 -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 01/23/2013 09:27 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:24:25AM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 02:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 21.01.13 10:25, Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 18:29 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:13:37PM -0600, Andrew McNabb wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 06:11:19PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Walk /sys/class/net, filter on type, filter out bridges, filter out wireless if you want to. sysfs

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 18:38 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:32:30PM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: Except then you run into phones or WWAN cards that show up as Ethernet devices, but aren't really Ethernet but just IP-in-8023-frames because that was easier to do

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Trusted Network Connect (TNC)

2013-01-31 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 17:28 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Avesh Agarwal (avaga...@redhat.com) said: Right now it is done using wpa_supplicant provided cli. Just to clarify a little bit further, wpa_supplicant provided cli takes care of authentication and tnc's end point assessment. Once

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: NetworkManager Bridging Support

2013-01-31 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:41 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: = Features/NetworkManagerBridging = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerBridging Feature owner(s): Pavel Šimerda psimerda at redhat.com, Dan Williams dcbw

Re: usb_modeswitch by default

2010-03-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 08:05 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 09:27:47PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Increasingly a number of broadband connections require usb_modeswitch to connect online

Re: usb_modeswitch by default

2010-03-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 09:44 -0700, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:50:21 +0530 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: (adding linux-usb to cc:, see below) Increasingly a number of broadband connections require usb_modeswitch to connect online

Re: usb_modeswitch by default

2010-03-05 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 10:05 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 09:42 +0530, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have taken over the maintainership from Robert, and the new usb_modeswitch rpms are in rawhide now. And F-13?

Re: usb_modeswitch by default

2010-03-09 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:03 -0800, Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 14:07 -0700, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:27:48 -0800 Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: I have taken over the maintainership from Robert, and the new usb_modeswitch rpms are in rawhide

Re: bug no: 552456 E620 not detected - 2nd Request

2010-03-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 11:18 +0800, Steven James Drinnan wrote: Hi all, I am trying to get my k3715 to work in F12 or F13. I have filled this bug report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552456 . It reports by dmesg as a E620. The modem works fine in F11 with no usb_modeswitch.

Re: bug no: 552456 E620 not detected - 2nd Request

2010-04-01 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 09:53 +0200, Richard Zidlicky wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 02:27:38AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 11:18 +0800, Steven James Drinnan wrote: Hi all, I am trying to get my k3715 to work in F12 or F13. I have filled this bug report https

Re: Multiple Loopback Interfaces

2013-08-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 15:46 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 29.08.2013 15:38, schrieb John Chludzinski: I need to used multiple loopback addresses (interfaces) for an server application that communicates with multiple clients running on the same machine. Since a loopback interface short

Re: Firewall blocking desktop features

2013-09-13 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2013-09-13 at 11:23 +0300, Oron Peled wrote: On Friday 13 September 2013 01:51:00 drago01 wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il wrote: - This means that any privileged service controlled by GUI client (e.g: NetworkManager) is still only as

Re: gnome-boxes downgrade in F-19

2013-10-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-10-08 at 08:42 -0600, Jerry James wrote: Do you remember when I ranted about lack of communication between provenpackagers and the maintainers of the packages they touch [1]? Here is another case of lack of communication between people touching the same package. On Aug 8,

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 11:49 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Can you wildcard the greylist so that modemmanager *never* runs? I haven't used a modem in decades but MM keeps mucking with all my serial-connected toys. You can do anything you want with the udev rules. Just put them in

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 12:50 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 10/31/2013 02:03 AM, rran...@ihug.com.au wrote: I have run into an issue which seems to call into question the udev paradigm for USB devices. In my case it has ramifications in ModemManager and gpsd packages, but I see it as a

Re: TLS libraries and licenses

2013-11-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 09:27 -0700, Jerry James wrote: For one package for which I am part of upstream, we are talking about adding TLS support. The upstream project is GPLv3+. We're looking at the preferred list of crypto implementations on

Re: PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 12:17 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi In the last few days, I have been running cppcheck on quite a few programs including systemd, transmission, libvirt, ndjbdns etc and cppcheck has found real and potential bugs (null pointer dereferences, uninitialized variables,

Re: updates-testing trainwreck.

2010-11-19 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 13:46 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 01:23:26PM -0500, Ray Strode wrote: Hi, On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com wrote: Wtf happened in updates-testing ? gdm and a bunch of other stuff crashes on startup..

Re: Introducing wicked

2010-12-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 10:24 +0100, Olaf Kirch wrote: On Thursday 25 November 2010 21:29:30 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 05:24:37PM +0100, Olaf Kirch wrote: You may ask, don't we have enough of those already? Don't we have NetworkManager, connman, netcf, and a few

Re: NM: could not get owner of name

2010-12-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 21:09 +0900, Masami Ichikawa wrote: on 12/08/2010 08:51 PM, Neal Becker wrote: Should I be concerned about these? Dec 8 06:44:29 nbecker1 NetworkManager[22066]: error [1291808669.539204] [nm-manager.c:1332] user_proxy_init(): could not init user settings proxy:

Re: Debugging 20s pause in boot time in rawhide

2011-01-18 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 22:07 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 22:01, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: This interesting though: $ ls -l /etc/systemd/system/dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 42

Re: NetworkManager doesn't start on boot

2011-02-03 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 02:22 -0500, Braden McDaniel wrote: I've recently set up a virtual machine running rawhide and I've noticed that NetworkManager never seems to start on boot; I must always start it manually. As far as I can tell, it is configured to start on boot. Is there something

Re: Prelink: couldn't find an alternative telinit implementation to spawn

2011-03-17 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 09:46 -0600, Jerry James wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Hmm. This looks completely correct. I don't really understand why this check suceeds if you run it in systemd-notify --booted, but apparently doesn't if

Re: manually fixing IPs

2011-03-31 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-03-27 at 17:57 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/27/2011 05:27 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 03:58:06PM +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: Hi. On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:48:14 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote NM supports static IPs these days. So I think that rather

Re: manually fixing IPs

2011-04-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 05:20 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/31/2011 07:28 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sun, 2011-03-27 at 17:57 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/27/2011 05:27 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 03:58:06PM +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: Hi. On Sun, 27

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 16:35 +, Ben Boeckel wrote: deal with in these cases) than some packets were lost. An option to persist connections despite something probably not actually existing would be nice for situations like this.

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 23:06 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing is that when wireless is spotty, the network doesn't keep going up and down.

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 19:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing is that when wireless is spotty, the network doesn't keep going up and down. Instead, applications see lots of dropped packets. When

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 23:01 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:58:57PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 23:06 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot

Re: Resetting network devices between ifconfig level and desktop level

2011-05-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 17:54 +0100, Aaron Gray wrote: Hope no one minds me writing to the devel list but I got no reply on user list. I have got inconsistent eth devices between what Fedora Gnome Desktop is telling me and what ifconfig is telling me and what 'service network restart' is

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-05-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 19:21 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: Looking at the code, the 4-second delay is only used when the device is actually connected to something. State 3 == DISCONNECTED, state 2 == UNAVAILABLE, so it's

Re: Resetting network devices between ifconfig level and desktop level

2011-05-05 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 18:45 +0100, Aaron Gray wrote: On 5 May 2011 16:03, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Aaron Gray (aaronngray.li...@gmail.com) said: On 2 May 2011 22:13, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 17:54 +0100, Aaron Gray wrote: Hope no one

Re: NetworkManager to reconnect silently

2011-05-19 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 22:10 +0900, Misha Shnurapet wrote: 19.05.2011, 21:12, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 n2xssvv.g02gfr12...@ntlworld.com: On 19/05/11 09:55, Misha Shnurapet wrote: Hi. I asked this question in NetworkManager mailing list, but everyone there seems to be busy, so I decided

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:21 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 14:08 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 14.06.11 07:25, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: What's the problem of having a specific hostname set up at boot time ? The user might want to change

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-15 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 09:40 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:23 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: systemd might be happy if you change it later, but other stuff is not. The canonical example is X, where the hostname was used as the xauth key to allow you to actually talk

Re: RealHotspot availability

2012-05-18 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 18:21 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: In looking back through some of the meeting minutes I saw that RealHotspot has been approved for Fedora 18. === #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-03-19) ===

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 10:19 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:05:57 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Yes this is all good 'n' nice. The point is, can we/should we/want we make this the default ? (And work on integrating NM - unbound automatic configuration ?)

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:24 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Simo Sorce wrote: There are at least 2 situations where it is needed, and they are common or will be common enough. The 2 use cases for which a properly configurable and dynamically changeable caching DNA name

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 09:32 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: On 06/20/2012 07:09 PM, Dan Williams wrote: (also, an aside: why the heck do resolvconf and dnssec-trigger require an interface name??? DNS information has nothing do with network interfaces, despite some DNS info coming from interface

Re: Q: IPv6-only setup - get rid of 127.0.0.1

2012-06-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 16:39 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 21.06.12 18:22, Alexey I. Froloff (ra...@raorn.name) wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 03:39:43PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Disabling IPv4 should result in socket(AF_INET, ...) returning EAFNOSUPPORT. Just taking

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 09:46 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 21 juin 2012 01:09, Dan Williams a écrit : I spent some time looking at this today. NM already has plugins for dnsmasq and a long-since-dead one for bind. We can certainly add a plugin for dnssec-trigger or even unbound

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 19:45 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Dan Williams wrote: I spent some time looking at this today. NM already has plugins for dnsmasq and a long-since-dead one for bind. We can certainly add a plugin for dnssec-trigger or even unbound itself as well

Re: F18, koji and IPv6

2012-08-10 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 20:45 +0400, Alexey I. Froloff wrote: Before F18 is released, can someone, please, take a loot at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=836329 ? Month and a half have passed already and patch exists. Nobody really used IPv6 in production when I wrote that piece of

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 09:44 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: Hi Miloslav, On Wednesday 29 August 2012 18:42:44 Miloslav Trmač wrote: Considering that it's not reasonable to expect that the replacement will cover 100% of the previous functionality, the old and new projects will have to live side

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 09:20 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: On Friday 31 August 2012 02:47:38 Bill Nottingham wrote: I'm not saying you *can't* do it, but it's also not something to do lightly. Totally agreed. But what are really the points of maximum stickiness? Obviously, configuration files

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-08-30 at 13:23 +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 08/30/2012 08:55 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: Olaf Kirch (o...@suse.de) said: On Wednesday 29 August 2012 21:56:45 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 08/29/2012 11:58 AM, Olaf Kirch

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 09:20 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: Hi Stephen, On Wednesday 29 August 2012 19:48:29 Stephen Gallagher wrote: Olaf, I'm very interested to learn more about wicked. Can you perhaps itemize the set of features available to wicked (current as well as in-development) that

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-08-30 at 07:44 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: Hi Adam, On Thursday 30 August 2012 04:16:23 Adam Williamson wrote: *** Network Manager is just another daemon created for a task which historically often did not need any daemons. It's almost as if the new generation of Unix

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 16:48 +0100, Steven Whitehouse wrote: Hi, I wonder if one way to deal with the network configuration issue is to try and help different configuration systems work with each other, rather than to try and create one system which does everything. Last time I looked into

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 15:17 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On 08/29/2012 01:58 PM, Olaf Kirch wrote: Your feedback is very much welcome! Regards, Olaf Why Did You Do This?! Do we really need yet another network management thing?

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 09:20 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: On Thursday 30 August 2012 08:55:02 Bill Nottingham wrote: The systemd people do have some ideas they've already been kicking around for this already... have you seen it? To be clear, I'm not really convinced yet that this is

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 21:02 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 09/07/2012 07:13 PM, Dan Williams wrote: I'm not sure the right place for this sort of thing is in the init system. Well I happen to be sure that the init systemd regardless of which flavor of the month it is should

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 14:49 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 13:23:37 -0500, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: That's NM's heritage, but that's certainly not its focus. We're actually focusing a *lot* more on enterprise use-cases these days, including lots

Re: upstream wants me to rename my package

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 16:54 -0400, Gary Gatling wrote: Hello, I am working on a package called VirtualGL: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=834127 After contacting the upstream on their mailing list, they seem obsessed with being able to install their own rprms and my

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 16:46 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 16:38:27 -0500, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: 'man NetworkManager' is a good place to start here, which leads you to NetworkManager.conf, which leads you to: dns=dnsmasq I knew about that, but I

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 16:44 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Dan Williams wrote: 'man NetworkManager' is a good place to start here, which leads you to NetworkManager.conf, which leads you to: dns=dnsmasq which with 0.9.6 and any options you put into custom configuration in /etc

[kde, lxde, xfce] Removing ModemManager dep from NM, adding to comps instead

2012-01-26 Thread Dan Williams
Hi, It was recently brought to my attention that NM has an RPM dep on ModemManager. I believe we added it long ago to ensure that users did not lose 3G modem support when updating from NM 0.7.x (where NM had internal 3G support) to 0.8.x (where that support was split out into MM). These days

Re: [kde, lxde, xfce] Removing ModemManager dep from NM, adding to comps instead

2012-01-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 23:21 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Dan Williams wrote: People who don't have 3G modems and know they wont in the future have no need of installing or running MM. Thus I'd like to remove the RPM dep from NetworkManager, and instead add ModemManager to the default comps

Re: /usrmove? - about the future

2012-02-10 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 08:28 -0900, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: F15 was the first Linux i saw where reboot did not work until you typed kill 1 while praying! Can you point me to a bug report from you or anyone else that has

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