...snip...
I'm going to call this thread over with now, and have placed it on
moderation. Interested parties are welcome to continue in private email
or other forums.
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On 9/23/19 5:12 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 04:20:37PM -0500, Ty Young wrote:
Then you also understand the entire thread was made *because* Fedora was
being in inconsiderate and disrespectful to both Nvidia, myself, and other
developers, right?
So far, you are the only
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 04:20:37PM -0500, Ty Young wrote:
> Then you also understand the entire thread was made *because* Fedora was
> being in inconsiderate and disrespectful to both Nvidia, myself, and other
> developers, right?
So far, you are the only one being disrespectful here.
> Please,
On 9/23/19 3:22 PM, Ben Cotton wrote:
Ty,
I understand your frustration, but please consider whether your
approach is constructive. "Friends" is one of the four foundations of
the Fedora community and starting the thread with insults goes beyond
the bounds of healthy disagreement. Please keep
Hey all: this is getting out of control and I don't think going anywhere
productive. Please remember the Fedora "friends" foundation, the "be
excellent to each other" guidance, and, of course, our code of conduct.
Thank you.
--
Matthew Miller
Fedora Project Leader
On 23 September 2019 22:42:35 CEST, Ty Young wrote:
>
>On 9/23/19 3:16 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 23 September 2019 21:58:02 CEST, Ty Young
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
>> >> You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.
>> >
>> >
>> >Not a
On 9/23/19 3:16 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
On 23 September 2019 21:58:02 CEST, Ty Young
wrote:
>
>On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
>> You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.
>
>
>Not a solution, it's a bandaid to a much larger problem.
You said it works fine in
On 23 September 2019 21:58:02 CEST, Ty Young wrote:
>
>On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
>> You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.
>
>
>Not a solution, it's a bandaid to a much larger problem.
You said it works fine in Arch. So use Arch.
You say that it can be
On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.
Not a solution, it's a bandaid to a much larger problem.
Fedora will not change to cater to this particular need.
Your opinions does not dictate what Fedora should/shouldn't do.
Yet Fedora
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:03 PM Ty Young wrote:
>
> Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, really? Wayland doesn't even
> work on a large selection of hardware(Nvidia) and has many missing
> features deemed to be vital for some people which X. Org does have. This
> has been a common criticism
On 9/23/19 2:02 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 01:38:13PM -0500, Ty Young wrote:
...among a whole lot else I'm probably forgetting.
You're forgetten one very important thing:
On Sat, 2019-09-21 at 22:24 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> > > We still offer Workstation. Just use that. :)
> >
> > The unreliable update servers affect Workstation too. Again, upgrades on
> > workstation take forever. Silverblue is much faster.
> >
> >
> > ...but I digress... again.
> >
> >
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 01:38:13PM -0500, Ty Young wrote:
> ...among a whole lot else I'm probably forgetting.
You're forgetten one very important thing:
On 9/23/19 12:55 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:49 PM Ty Young wrote:
On 9/23/19 9:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 11:03 PM Ty Young wrote:
On 9/22/19 9:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young wrote:
On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel
You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.
Fedora will not change to cater to this particular need.
Your opinions does not dictate what Fedora should/shouldn't do.
Your rants and all caps won't make anything change. Please try to deal with it
and move on from this rather dead
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:38 pm, Ty Young wrote:
This is entirely unnecessary. You can enable root X. Org via the
config option. A random user's COPR repo isn't a whole lot safer.
Oh nice. Then you can change that and stop complaining. Thanks!
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On 9/23/2019 10:55 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:49 PM Ty Young wrote:
On 9/23/19 9:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
The problem with that is that if we did it that way, nobody would
adapt to the change. Much in the same manner that we're moving to
cgroups v2 in Fedora 31, if we
On 9/23/19 10:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:50 am, Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server as root
just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.
It isn't just to overclock my GPU, you're *BREAKING PEOPLE'S
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:49 PM Ty Young wrote:
>
>
> On 9/23/19 9:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 11:03 PM Ty Young wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/22/19 9:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young wrote:
> On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>
On 9/23/19 9:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 11:03 PM Ty Young wrote:
On 9/22/19 9:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young wrote:
On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:
I couldn't actually install the drivers
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:50 am, Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server as root
just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.
Anyway, while we won't do that Fedora... since you're clearly
interested in customizing your system, you can do so
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 11:03 PM Ty Young wrote:
>
>
> On 9/22/19 9:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >>> On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:
> I couldn't actually install the drivers because the
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 10:02 pm, Ty Young
wrote:
So, IMO, the correct behavior here would be to disable until at least
other DM(s) support it and other distros enabled it by default so that
Fedora is at least following standards. Once it *actually* gets
adopted
*maybe* Nvidia will allow
On 9/22/19 9:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young wrote:
On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:
I couldn't actually install the drivers because the update GUI in the
cinnamon spin is broken and/or the repo/update servers are
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young wrote:
>
>
> On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:
> >> I couldn't actually install the drivers because the update GUI in the
> >> cinnamon spin is broken and/or the repo/update servers are down. Again.
> >
> > I
On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:
I couldn't actually install the drivers because the update GUI in the
cinnamon spin is broken and/or the repo/update servers are down. Again.
I don't know why you're having so much trouble with updates. But just
in
On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:
I couldn't actually install the drivers because the update GUI in the
cinnamon spin is broken and/or the repo/update servers are down. Again.
I don't know why you're having so much trouble with updates. But just
in case you're referring to rpmfusion as you
On 9/22/19 3:08 AM, Leigh Scott wrote:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young
Do you mean 'Support non-root X'? if so some DM's still don't support it.
https://github.com/canonical/lightdm/issues/18
This is Nvidia's fault. It was hidden from you because sometimes the
packaging for the
On 9/22/19 3:32 AM, Leigh Scott wrote:
I'll just cut to the chase.
Rawhide with Nvidia drivers because of debug kernel. There is a lack of
software compared to other Linux distros like Ubuntu or Arch(no
Vivaldi!?!?). Fedora developers tend to be hostile towards proprietary
software. etc.
I
On 9/22/19 3:08 AM, Leigh Scott wrote:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young
Do you mean 'Support non-root X'? if so some DM's still don't support it.
https://github.com/canonical/lightdm/issues/18
...and it's Open Source. Ironic.
Anyway, I did a google search and apparently running
> I'll just cut to the chase.
> Rawhide with Nvidia drivers because of debug kernel. There is a lack of
> software compared to other Linux distros like Ubuntu or Arch(no
> Vivaldi!?!?). Fedora developers tend to be hostile towards proprietary
> software. etc.
I guess debugging symbols are an
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 10:09 Leigh Scott wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young wrote:
> > Fedora and other distributions have been working on rootless Xorg
> > since 2013. We've had it in place since at least 2015. This change was
> > made way back in Fedora 24.
> >
>
> Do you mean
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young Fedora and other distributions have been working on rootless Xorg
> since 2013. We've had it in place since at least 2015. This change was
> made way back in Fedora 24.
>
Do you mean 'Support non-root X'? if so some DM's still don't support it.
On 9/22/19 2:40 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Saturday, September 21, 2019 5:32:37 PM MST Ty Young wrote:
I'll just cut to the chase.
About 2-3 months ago I filed a bug report that overclocking on Nvidia
hardware wasn't working on Fedora.
I then later sent an email about this issue wherein
On Sunday, September 22, 2019 12:26:46 AM MST Ty Young wrote:
> I'm of course also interested in ensuring compatibility with Fedora for
> my application but given how hostile y'all are to Nvidia it doesn't seem
> like it's ever going to happen. I guess it's not the end of the word
> since noone
On Saturday, September 21, 2019 5:32:37 PM MST Ty Young wrote:
> I'll just cut to the chase.
>
>
> About 2-3 months ago I filed a bug report that overclocking on Nvidia
> hardware wasn't working on Fedora.
> I then later sent an email about this issue wherein Nvidia was immediately
> blamed for
On Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:46:40 PM MST Ty Young wrote:
> That's a load of bull dung if there ever was one. There are *MANY* bugs
> in Intel/AMD's drivers and MESA that have yet to be fixed(which affect
> everyone) despite being Open Source. You can't fix those bugs as is but
> then
On 9/22/19 1:57 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/21/19 11:46 PM, Ty Young wrote:
That's a load of bull dung if there ever was one. There are *MANY*
bugs in Intel/AMD's drivers and MESA that have yet to be fixed(which
affect everyone) despite being Open Source. You can't fix those bugs
as is but
On 9/21/19 11:46 PM, Ty Young wrote:
That's a load of bull dung if there ever was one. There are *MANY* bugs
in Intel/AMD's drivers and MESA that have yet to be fixed(which affect
everyone) despite being Open Source. You can't fix those bugs as is but
then turn around and imply that *IF*
On 9/22/19 12:48 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/21/19 6:31 PM, Ty Young wrote:
Really? It's Nvidia's fault that noone can agree on anything and keep
fragmenting the ecosystem in incredibly stupid ways?
No, it's NVidia's fault because they refuse to open-source their
driver. That means that
On 9/21/19 6:31 PM, Ty Young wrote:
Really? It's Nvidia's fault that noone can agree on anything and keep
fragmenting the ecosystem in incredibly stupid ways?
No, it's NVidia's fault because they refuse to open-source their driver.
That means that they always have to play catch-up with every
On 9/21/19 9:24 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:32 PM Ty Young wrote:
On 9/21/19 7:51 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young wrote:
I'll just cut to the chase.
About 2-3 months ago I filed a bug report that overclocking on Nvidia hardware
wasn't
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:32 PM Ty Young wrote:
>
>
> On 9/21/19 7:51 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young wrote:
> >> I'll just cut to the chase.
> >>
> >>
> >> About 2-3 months ago I filed a bug report that overclocking on Nvidia
> >> hardware wasn't working on
On 9/21/19 7:51 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young wrote:
I'll just cut to the chase.
About 2-3 months ago I filed a bug report that overclocking on Nvidia hardware
wasn't working on Fedora. I observed this bug while trying out Fedora
Silverblue 30's release
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young wrote:
>
> I'll just cut to the chase.
>
>
> About 2-3 months ago I filed a bug report that overclocking on Nvidia
> hardware wasn't working on Fedora. I observed this bug while trying out
> Fedora Silverblue 30's release but not in beta. I then later
I'll just cut to the chase.
About 2-3 months ago I filed a bug report that overclocking on Nvidia
hardware wasn't working on Fedora. I observed this bug while trying out
Fedora Silverblue 30's release but not in beta. I then later sent an
email about this issue wherein Nvidia was immediately
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