Re: Document sharing issues

2008-04-22 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le lundi 21 avril 2008 à 10:24 -0500, James Simmons a écrit : 2). Downloading a document is very slow. I distribute View Slides files on an Apache server, using the Browse activity to copy same to the Journal. This takes under a minute even for a large file (over 15mb). Then I share the

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le lundi 21 avril 2008 à 10:55 +0200, Bernie Innocenti a écrit : - how could they make kids from Ankara and Istanbul chat together - how could a kid talk with his parents or teachers who are using a normal computer We use XMPP/Jabber when the laptop is connected to a schoolserver. So

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le lundi 21 avril 2008 à 11:54 -0400, Chris Ball a écrit : Hi, - They asked if video chat is possible. I recall someone was working on it months ago. What is the current status? We need two things: a codec that we can encode and decode in real-time (the demo from 2006 used

Re: Document sharing issues

2008-04-22 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le lundi 21 avril 2008 à 10:24 -0500, James Simmons a écrit : 2). Downloading a document is very slow. I distribute View Slides files on an Apache server, using the Browse activity to copy same to the Journal. This takes under a minute even for a large file

Re: Document sharing issues

2008-04-22 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mardi 22 avril 2008 à 04:26 -0400, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos a écrit : Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le lundi 21 avril 2008 à 10:24 -0500, James Simmons a écrit : 2). Downloading a document is very slow. I distribute View Slides files on an Apache server, using the Browse activity

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 05:54:13PM -0500, Joe Barr wrote: It really sucks to see OLPC shriveling up and dying. Joe, It's good for people who have been unable to reconcile their differences with one another to

Re: [Server-devel] The road towards xs-0.3

2008-04-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:32 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with all these tours, my planned xs-0.3 is a bit delayed. Being in NZ, and with a proper private office, it won't take long. Any news about

Re: Translation refresh

2008-04-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
2008/4/21 Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I guess I'd like to err on the side that people believe by default that 'no activities are supported'. That way anything that works is a plus! In reality there are going to be some important things that we want to ensure are really working with every

Re: [Olpc-open] Making Plans

2008-04-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OLPC's focus is on development, funding and delivery of laptops to the least developed countries. The expectations for features, testing, support, logistics, delivery, IT and RF infrastructure (to name a few things) are widely

Re: fun and games with trying to un-suspend

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:20:49AM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, I've had these symptoms often over the course of the last two months, with various update.1 / joyride builds. This is http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6590. I'll put more effort into reproducing it here. Thanks -- the

Re: Disk Images and Version Control

2008-04-22 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 01:45:21AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: * provide root access on some Linux host(s) (or take great care with fakeroot / qemu configuration) to allow others to work on the filesystem without screwing up file ownership and permissions Virtual machines would help

Re: list of laptops connected to jabber

2008-04-22 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le lundi 21 avril 2008 à 10:05 +0200, Guillaume Desmottes a écrit : Le samedi 19 avril 2008 à 22:18 +0300, Giannis Galanis a écrit : In the testbed in peabody, the list of peers seen from the server is usually a superset of what we see from each individual mesh view. Could be related

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for looking into this - I had the wikipage in my sight, but not the bugs you listed. Excellent, reading up to fill the gaps. Based on feedback from Peru, Mexico, and Nepal, the restoration from

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:46 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: Wad's too simple, I am hoping to use a slightly simplified version of Ivan's. For the restore part, I think I will drastically simplify things from Ivan's approach. My solution is the simplest design I could create that allows both

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Don Hopkins
Edward Cherlin wrote: Basically, the impression that outsiders get is of imperial rule by Nicholas Negroponte, with no sense that the workers or the public deserve to be informed of anything until after the decisions have all been made, and made wrongly. What's so imperial about the United

Re: [Server-devel] Customizing build 703 for mass deployment

2008-04-22 Thread Bryan Berry
here is what i have I tried this afternoon bunzip xo-1tar.bz2 mkdir os703 tar xvf xo-1..tar -C os703/ then mkfs.jffs2 -n -e128KiB -r os703 -o testpre.img sumtool -n -p -e 128KiB -i testpre.img -o testpost.img ../pilgrim/crcimg/crcimg testpost.img copyied testpost.img and testpost.crc to

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Guillaume Desmottes wrote: We use XMPP/Jabber when the laptop is connected to a schoolserver. So basically all we need to do to allow this is: - Enable communications between jabber server - Add a way in Sugar to add not OLPC contact as Friend, initiate chats with them, etc. - Modify Chat

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Right. As said we need a good free encoder as H263 has legal issues. So, if we want to have full audio/video support on XO's we have to: a) Solve this legal codec issue and make farsight work with the chosen free codec The download codecs yourself (aka [EMAIL

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Urko Fernandez
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:13 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: The download codecs yourself (aka [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is an I don't think you can call it piracy when all you are doing is using the free implementation of a codec. This is completely legal in some countries, you are not stealing

Re: Translation refresh

2008-04-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Kim Quirk wrote: Collaboration is really important to any release... so we need to include some activities that collaborate as part of formal testing. Similarly, Journal is much more than just an activity... so that will have to be part of systematic testing. Browse has to work as it is

Re: [Server-devel] Customizing build 703 for mass deployment

2008-04-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 04:19:33PM +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: here is what i have I tried this afternoon bunzip xo-1tar.bz2 mkdir os703 tar xvf xo-1..tar -C os703/ then mkfs.jffs2 -n -e128KiB -r os703 -o testpre.img sumtool -n -p -e 128KiB -i testpre.img -o testpost.img

Re: Turkish keyboard layout

2008-04-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Walter Bender wrote: Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be

Re: Disk Images and Version Control

2008-04-22 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 01:45:21AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: * provide root access on some Linux host(s) (or take great care with fakeroot / qemu configuration) to allow others to work on the filesystem without screwing up file ownership and permissions If you use GIT, you need to

Re: Document sharing issues

2008-04-22 Thread James Simmons
Guillaume, I was using gabble every time. The Collabora jabber server was up each time I did a test, so I assume that by default I was using gabble. I have not yet tried a test with Salut because that seems to be broken on the computer I have sugar-jhbuild on. (I do have it working on

Re: Disk Images and Version Control

2008-04-22 Thread Paul Fox
joshua n pritikin wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 01:45:21AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: * provide root access on some Linux host(s) (or take great care with fakeroot / qemu configuration) to allow others to work on the filesystem without screwing up file ownership and

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Urko Fernandez wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:13 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: The download codecs yourself (aka [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is an I don't think you can call it piracy when all you are doing is using the free implementation of a codec. This is completely legal in some countries,

Re: Turkish keyboard layout

2008-04-22 Thread Arjun Sarwal
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter Bender wrote: Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Urko Fernandez
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 16:31 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: And even if they _do_ ask you, patent law only allows patent holders a compensation proportional to the market opportunity involved in the specific breach. So, if I download an mp3 codec, I can be asked to refund the market value of

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Urko Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:13 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: The download codecs yourself (aka [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is an I don't think you can call it piracy when all you are doing is using the free implementation of a

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Urko Fernandez wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:13 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: The download codecs yourself (aka [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is an I don't think you can call it piracy when all you are doing is using

Re: [Olpc-open] Making Plans

2008-04-22 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OLPC's focus is on development, funding and delivery of laptops to the least developed countries. The expectations for features, testing, support,

Re: [squeak-dev] to be deployed Epaati version is out!

2008-04-22 Thread karl
Congratulations ! I have not looked at the latest stuff yet, but it looked impressive a few weeks back :-) Karl Ties Stuij wrote: Well, it took us at OLE Nepal a whole lot of sweat and especially tears, but finally, after half a year of hard work, we finished the first build that is

Re: [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Chris Preimesberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter, you have been a shining light of good information for all this time, and it's sad to see you pull away from the project. Sad to see the project melting away, too -- at least that's my impression. One

New faster build 1893

2008-04-22 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1893 Changes in build 1893 from build: 1890 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar 0.79.3-1.olpc2 +sugar 0.79.4-1.olpc2 -sugar-base 0.2.3-1.olpc2 +sugar-base 0.79.1-1.olpc2 -sugar-toolkit 0.79.3-1.olpc2 +sugar-toolkit 0.79.4-1.olpc2 -telepathy-glib

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My solution is the simplest design I could create that allows both emergency restore (laptop FS has been trashed, get everything back) and individual file restore and sharing via a web interface running on the XS, Indeed,

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Eben Eliason
2008/4/22 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My solution is the simplest design I could create that allows both emergency restore (laptop FS has been trashed, get everything back) and individual file restore and

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/4/22 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My solution is the simplest design I could create that allows both emergency restore (laptop FS has been trashed, get everything back) and individual file restore and

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Eben Eliason
2008/4/22 Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/22 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My solution is the simplest design I could create that allows both emergency restore (laptop FS has been trashed, get

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/4/22 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/22 Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/22 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My solution is the simplest design I could create that allows both

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Eben Eliason
2008/4/22 Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/22 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/22 Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/22 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My solution is

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Kim Quirk
I'm not seeing the use case that I *think* is the primary one: 1) Backup and restore from a disaster recovery perspective. and the secondary that goes with that is: 2) Ability to restore to a new laptop (as in the child lost the laptop or it died and they need to restore their work to a new

Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
I always forget that when I reply the message does not go to the list. On the support-gang list there is quite a bit of discouragement over Walter leaving because Negroponte has decided to go the XP route with the XO. And he is in talks with MS$ to get a version of XP to run on the XO. How may

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/4/22 Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not seeing the use case that I *think* is the primary one: That's still listed as the main one, at least in Ivan's email, and definitely from my perspective. This discussion of how to deal with the secondary one with minimal fuss and with a good fit

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Andrew Smyth
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Drew Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OLPC has increased funding and resources in 2008 toward a continued commitment to helping kids in the least developed countries through deployment of

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: Who says Negroponte is shifting? Certainly not Walter in any of his public posts. Can't happen. We would all be out of here like a shot to fork Sugar. Nicholas is weird, but not utterly stupid. Eventually, Negroponte added, Windows might be

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-22 Thread Dafydd Harries
Ar 22/04/2008 am 09:59, ysgrifennodd Guillaume Desmottes: Le lundi 21 avril 2008 à 11:54 -0400, Chris Ball a écrit : Hi, - They asked if video chat is possible. I recall someone was working on it months ago. What is the current status? We need two things: a codec that we

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Carol Lerche
The OLPC Association has done amazing things with limited resources and deserves to take great pride in this. However, this Negroponte quotation from the article seems correct to me: He lamented that an overriding insistence on open-source had hampered the XOs, saying Sugar grew amorphously and

New joyride build 1894

2008-04-22 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1894 Changes in build 1894 from build: 1890 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar 0.79.3-1.olpc2 +sugar 0.79.4-1.olpc2 -sugar-base 0.2.3-1.olpc2 +sugar-base 0.79.1-1.olpc2 -sugar-toolkit 0.79.3-1.olpc2 +sugar-toolkit 0.79.5-1.olpc2 -telepathy-glib

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 22.04.2008 23:25, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always forget that when I reply the message does not go to the list. On the support-gang list there is quite a bit of discouragement over Walter leaving because Negroponte

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Alfonso de la Guarda
In brief, As Peruvian collaborator and open source developer, the issue of the departure of Walter and rumors about Windows XP really worry me. In Peru there are those who have worked with politicians and authorities speaks about the freedoms that the OLPC / XO means, may lose that? We need

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 22.04.2008 23:29, Ivan Krstić wrote: On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: Who says Negroponte is shifting? Certainly not Walter in any of his public posts. Can't happen. We would all be out of here like a shot to fork Sugar. Nicholas is weird, but not utterly stupid.

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Zjnue Brzavi
Eventually, Negroponte added, Windows might be the sole operating system ... Negroponte said he was mainly concerned with putting as many laptops as possible in children's hands. ..and credit cards with huge overdrafts for all. so this project IS about the colonization of minds and expanding

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 03:52:35PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I always forget that when I reply the message does not go to the list. On the support-gang list there is quite a bit of discouragement over Walter leaving because Negroponte has decided to go the XP route with the XO. And he is in

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: It confirms that this has become a pure laptop project and not an education project as the official mission states (stated?). Giving laptops to children is not an education project, it's giving laptops to children. Which is why I

New faster build 1894

2008-04-22 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1894 Changes in build 1894 from build: 1893 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar-toolkit 0.79.4-1.olpc2 +sugar-toolkit 0.79.5-1.olpc2 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/faster-pkgs.html for

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 05:29:58PM -0400, Ivan Krstić wrote: Eventually, Negroponte added, Windows might be the sole operating system ... Negroponte said he was mainly concerned with putting as many laptops as possible in children's hands. -- via Associated Press

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: The laptop might run Windows or Linux or both, but not Sugar on Windows. That's not accurate. -- Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://radian.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 07:29:22PM -0400, Ivan Krstić wrote: On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: The laptop might run Windows or Linux or both, but not Sugar on Windows. That's not accurate. Care to elaborate? Suppose Sugar was running on Windows. What's the benefit? Why

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Walter Bender
First of all, just to clear, Flash does run on the laptop: there is a choice of both the Adobe Flash player and the FOSS Flash player, Gnash. We opted to install the Gnash player by default. Many of the problems people have with Flash are actually related to codecs rather than the player itself.

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:25:12 -0700 Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 05:29:58PM -0400, Ivan Krstić wrote: Eventually, Negroponte added, Windows might be the sole operating system ... Negroponte said he was mainly concerned with putting as many laptops

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 08:00:06PM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:25:12 -0700 Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least Ivan quoted this part properly: Negroponte said he was mainly concerned with putting as many laptops as possible in children's hands. I

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Mitch Bradley
I know quite a few children in the US who benefit from laptops running a proprietary stack. Web access is the core capability that transforms the computer from a convenience to a near necessity. Before the web, most people in developed countries had computers at work for doing Office stuff,

Re: list of laptops connected to jabber

2008-04-22 Thread Giannis Galanis
thanx, thats exactly what i needed On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:56 AM, Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 21 avril 2008 à 10:05 +0200, Guillaume Desmottes a écrit : Le samedi 19 avril 2008 à 22:18 +0300, Giannis Galanis a écrit : In the testbed in peabody, the list of

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Walter Bender
I am not sure what you are driving at Mitch: web browsers are available to fundamentalists of both camps. Are you suggesting that a proprietary browser will reach more children more quickly? -walter On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know quite a few

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose, as a thought experiment, that someone were to propose giving every child in the world a device that could do nothing but access the web. Would you consider that a positive educational step? It would be

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Sameer Verma
Mitch Bradley wrote: I know quite a few children in the US who benefit from laptops running a proprietary stack. Web access is the core capability that transforms the computer from a convenience to a near necessity. Before the web, most people in developed countries had computers at work

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:28:20 -1000 Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Suppose, as a thought experiment, that someone were to propose giving every child in the world a device that could do nothing but access the web. Would you consider that a positive educational step? I

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Mitch Bradley
No, I'm saying that giving laptops to all the world's children is a Good Thing, and worthy of being called an education project, even if they don't have the world's friendliest UI or free software. And the reason for that is because the web is so immensely valuable. The laptops are even more

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Mitch Bradley wrote: No, I'm saying that giving laptops to all the world's children is a Good Thing, and worthy of being called an education project, even if they don't have the world's friendliest UI or free software. And the reason for that is because the web is so immensely valuable.

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The laptops are even more wonderful with a child-friendly UI, loads of fun activities, and a non-proprietary software stack. But in the steady state, the web is the high-order bit, sufficient to qualify as education

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/4/23 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/22 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My solution is the simplest design I could create that allows both emergency restore (laptop FS has been trashed, get

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Mitch Bradley
Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: Mitch Bradley wrote: No, I'm saying that giving laptops to all the world's children is a Good Thing, and worthy of being called an education project, even if they don't have the world's friendliest UI or free software. And the reason for that is

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: Who says Negroponte is shifting? Certainly not Walter in any of his public posts. Can't happen. We would all be out of here like a shot to fork Sugar. Nicholas is

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 23.04.2008 03:09, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The laptops are even more wonderful with a child-friendly UI, loads of fun activities, and a non-proprietary software stack. But in the steady state, the web is the

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23.04.2008 03:09, C. Scott Ananian wrote: In theory, mesh networking is a feature of the wireless firmware and should work fine regardless of operating system choice. In practice, this is manifestly not the

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:44:43AM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: The big problem is that most people see this as a Linux+Sugar vs. Windows decision. Presently, I'm not very concerned by the role that Windows plays in OLPC's aims -- there's plenty of stuff to learn from and through

Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EST, #olpc-meeting, irc.freenode.org

2008-04-22 Thread Michael Stone
Dear everyone, We'll be having our weekly status meeting tomorrow at 2:00 PM EST in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org. See you there! Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Stephen John Smoogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Chris Preimesberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter, you have been a shining light of good information for all this time, and it's sad to see you pull away from the project.

TP interface assignment keeps changing

2008-04-22 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I don't have wireless. My XO is connected through an USB-ethernet adapter. Way back when, this wired interface was always being assigned to eth0. From time to time I install a newer Joyride build. More than a week ago (1852 ?) the wired interface was being assigned to eth1 instead. Then

New joyride build 1895

2008-04-22 Thread Build Announcer v2
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New faster build 1895

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I seemed to have caused a XO power glitch reboot...

2008-04-22 Thread steve berczik
Hi, I seemed to have caused a XO power glitch reboot at; storyjamunicef.googlepages.com at which Henry suggested [after examining /var/logs] that you may wish to know how I did so. Reaching across the table for the charger plug in the XO that was being charging I not very smoothly

Re: [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, the most imporant thing is that we are left with a sense of gratitude of all the great things the leaders that have left have done. In this way we know the history of the project. We also remember that the people who left did good.. and we cherish them for it. We still need to move on and

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Wes Kussmaul
Edward Cherlin wrote: I recently wrote to Nicholas about Illinois HB5000, the Children's Low-Cost Laptop Act, and received no reply. Yeah, I know the feeling. I recently wrote to the CEO of General Motors about customizing my minivan for my work and didn't hear back either... OLPC now has

RE: [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Kassie Petrick
Walter, As someone who only knows you recently I am sorry to hear that you will be ‘redirecting’ your work with OLPC. I’ve appreciated your help in getting me more involved with the program, and look forward to my current collaboration with Tom Boonsiri. As a teacher who is not

RE: [sugar] [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Edmund Sevior
I've stayed away from this discussion until now. But for my own part, if the OLPC becomes just another laptop running standard educational software of the kind that inhabits my daughters primary school, I'm no longer interested in the project. I really bought into the new paradigm of

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Wes Kussmaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edward Cherlin wrote: I recently wrote to Nicholas about Illinois HB5000, the Children's Low-Cost Laptop Act, and received no reply. Yeah, I know the feeling. I recently wrote to the CEO of General Motors about

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Wes Kussmaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edward Cherlin wrote: I recently wrote to Nicholas about Illinois HB5000, the Children's Low-Cost Laptop Act, and received no reply. Yeah, I know the feeling. I recently wrote to the CEO of General Motors about

Re: [sugar] [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
2008/4/22 Martin Edmund Sevior [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've stayed away from this discussion until now. But for my own part, if the OLPC becomes just another laptop running standard educational software of the kind that inhabits my daughters primary school, I'm no longer interested in the project.

Re: [sugar] [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58:20PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: 2008/4/22 Martin Edmund Sevior [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I really bought into the new paradigm of pervasive collaboration and constructionist education. I'm not particularly interested in a cheap laptop clone and in any case I guess

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's this hostility about? Does it accomplish something? Not everyone knows everything about your project - though it's interesting to hear. Regardless of project size, getting hold of key people at a large project is

Re: Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EST, #olpc-meeting, irc.freenode.org

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll be having our weekly status meeting tomorrow at 2:00 PM EST in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org. Alright! That's a 6AM'er for me, but I'll be there ;-) cheers, martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [sugar] [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58:20PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: 2008/4/22 Martin Edmund Sevior [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I really bought into the new paradigm of pervasive collaboration and constructionist

Re: [sugar] [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread david
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: 2008/4/22 Martin Edmund Sevior [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've stayed away from this discussion until now. But for my own part, if the OLPC becomes just another laptop running standard educational software of the kind that inhabits my daughters primary

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's this hostility about? Does it accomplish something? Not everyone knows everything about your project - though it's interesting to

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's this hostility about? Does it accomplish something?

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Y . Sonoda
Hi all! This is Spiky, Japanese volunteer. Reading through whole the discussion on Suger v.s. Windows, (or whatever) what I'm so afraid of is there's no discussion from the aspect of the very root principle of OLPC, that is, Learning learning or constructionism theory with which OLPC is

Re: [Server-devel] The road towards xs-0.3

2008-04-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:32 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with all these tours, my planned xs-0.3 is a bit delayed.

Re: [Server-devel] Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EST, #olpc-meeting, irc.freenode.org

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll be having our weekly status meeting tomorrow at 2:00 PM EST in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org. Alright! That's a 6AM'er for me, but I'll be there ;-) cheers, martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]