Re: Debates/back and forths

[John Harris]

On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:38:28 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> You again mention that they are "exactly the same" and then mention their
> differences.  If you want to use your storage space duplicating mailing
> list archives, have at it - not everybody wants to do that.  Again, one is
> active the other is passive.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 9:34 PM John Harris  wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:22:04 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> > > John you're comparing apples and oranges.  One is active the other is
> > > passive.  One uses your space allocation the other doesn't.
> > 
> > Sorry, what? What space allocation? If you're talking about emails, my
> > Maildir
> > hasn't reached a size over 1 GiB in over two years of being on very high
> > traffic mailing lists, including kernel lists.
> > 
> > The two are *exactly the same*. Clicking on the button makes it so you
> > don't
> > receive notifications about that thread anymore. Additionally, and this
> > covers
> > lists other than Fedora hosted mailing lists, on most clients you can
> > right
> > click the thread and "Ignore", "Delete" or "Create Filter From Thread" and
> > pipe that thread to the trash.
> > 
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They are exactly the same. On both, clicking the button on the web interface 
causes you to stop getting notifications for it.

The *only* difference is that, on one, you've got the option to mute a thread 
properly, from your mail client.

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Gerald B. Cox]

You again mention that they are "exactly the same" and then mention their
differences.  If you want to use your storage space duplicating mailing
list archives, have at it - not everybody wants to do that.  Again, one is
active the other is passive.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 9:34 PM John Harris  wrote:

> On Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:22:04 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> > John you're comparing apples and oranges.  One is active the other is
> > passive.  One uses your space allocation the other doesn't.
>
> Sorry, what? What space allocation? If you're talking about emails, my
> Maildir
> hasn't reached a size over 1 GiB in over two years of being on very high
> traffic mailing lists, including kernel lists.
>
> The two are *exactly the same*. Clicking on the button makes it so you
> don't
> receive notifications about that thread anymore. Additionally, and this
> covers
> lists other than Fedora hosted mailing lists, on most clients you can
> right
> click the thread and "Ignore", "Delete" or "Create Filter From Thread" and
> pipe that thread to the trash.
>
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> John M. Harris, Jr. 
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[John Harris]

On Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:22:04 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> John you're comparing apples and oranges.  One is active the other is
> passive.  One uses your space allocation the other doesn't.

Sorry, what? What space allocation? If you're talking about emails, my Maildir 
hasn't reached a size over 1 GiB in over two years of being on very high 
traffic mailing lists, including kernel lists.

The two are *exactly the same*. Clicking on the button makes it so you don't 
receive notifications about that thread anymore. Additionally, and this covers 
lists other than Fedora hosted mailing lists, on most clients you can right 
click the thread and "Ignore", "Delete" or "Create Filter From Thread" and 
pipe that thread to the trash.

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Gerald B. Cox]

John you're comparing apples and oranges.  One is active the other is
passive.  One uses your space allocation the other doesn't.

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 19:07 John Harris  wrote:

> On Friday, August 30, 2019 5:40:22 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> > You just explained exactly why it was different ;-)
>
> I'm sorry if you believe that to be the case, but it is not. I explained
> that
> you can mute on both platforms, if you choose to do so.
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[John Harris]

On Friday, August 30, 2019 5:40:22 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> You just explained exactly why it was different ;-)

I'm sorry if you believe that to be the case, but it is not. I explained that 
you can mute on both platforms, if you choose to do so. 

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 06:27:56PM +0200, Chris Peters wrote:
> Maybe the code of conduct could politely nudge people towards *quality*
> over quantity (so that voices don't get drowned and big threads aren't so
> tiresome to keep up with)

I don't think that's a job for the code of conduct. However, I think it's good
advice for mailing list discussions. Remember, replying to every point is
more likely to get the entire thread muted and _fewer_ people to hear you
than if you more judiciously reply when you definitely have something new to
add.

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 6:55 AM Chris Peters  wrote:

>
> PS I won't take this thread any further. The irony of a back and forth in
> the back and forth thread doesn't escape me!
>
>
That's hilarious and true.  I was thinking the exact same thing...
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Gerald B. Cox]

You just explained exactly why it was different ;-)

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:23 PM John Harris  wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:09:23 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> > It's somewhat ironic that Discourse would solve this issue.  As I
> > previously mentioned, I also don't like having my inbox flooded with
> forum
> > threads that don't interest me.  The mailing list solution requires you
> > setup filters or continuously delete dozens of emails.  Discourse however
> > allows you to select what you want to read without needing to clean up
> > afterwards.  As I also pointed out RSS would make HyperKitty a somewhat
> > acceptable alternative - or as Kevin K. pointed out, you could also use
> > NNTP.  I personally would rather not, but maybe that would fit your use
> > case until a good solution could be implemented.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:42 AM Markus Larsson 
> wrote:
> > > On 28 August 2019 13:34:54 CEST, "Dan Čermák" <
> > >
> > > dan.cer...@cgc-instruments.com> wrote:
> > > >Hi Danni,
> > > >
> > > >Danny Lee  writes:
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering
> > > >
> > > >if
> > > >
> > > >> these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent
> > > >> occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer what little spare time I
> > > >
> > > >have
> > > >
> > > >> to help the Fedora project in some little ways. I don't feel that
> > > >
> > > >should
> > > >
> > > >> include wading through dozens of emailed back and forths between
> > > >> individuals who seem to have strong, immovable opinions, I just
> don't
> > > >>
> > > >> have time for that.
> > > >
> > > >Welcome to the club of all the "silent" contributors!
> > > >
> > > >Usually I try to follow discussions if they appear relevant or
> > > >interesting to me, but once they "tip over", I mark that thread as
> > > >deleted and mercilessly nuke everything new that comes in.
> > > >Yeah, I might miss some important information, but it's unlikely tbh
> > > >once you are 20 replies deep into a thread.
> > > >On the other hand: I don't want to spend all my free time reading
> > > >emails.
> > > >
> > > >So, if you don't care about a specific topic: just ignore & delete it.
> > >
> > > This is how I think most do it. Just read the interesting parts.
> > >
> > > >Btw, this list is imho still pretty moderate, only the occasional
> > > >controversy causes a huge thread of replies (and people manage to stay
> > > >civilized and tend to bring in new arguments). There's other lists
> > > >(unnamed to protect the guilty) where the signal to noise ratio is
> > > >much,
> > > >much worse.
> > >
> > > The discourse debate and the fw debate are not the norm but the
> exception.
> > > We see a few of those from time to time. Most threads aren't like that
> > > though.
> > >
> > > >> Is there any chance there is a moderated list or discussion group
> > > >
> > > >about
> > > >
> > > >> current project tasks and issues rather than debates about how to do
> > > >> things?  Or perhaps, a way to turn off certain threads or block
> > > >
> > > >certain
> > > >
> > > >> posters?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for your time and info you can provide.
>
> Discourse is not much different from email here. You can see the threads,
> and
> you choose whether or not you want to read them. If you don't want them to
> hit
> your inbox or notifications, you can click a button on your client to stop
> receiving future emails or notifications from that thread.
>
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[John Harris]

On Thursday, August 29, 2019 2:54:57 AM MST Chris Peters wrote:
> PS I won't take this thread any further. The irony of a back and forth in
> the back and forth thread doesn't escape me!

I couldn't disagree with that any more!!!

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Florian Weimer]

* John Harris:

> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:27:56 AM MST Chris Peters wrote:
>> Maybe the code of conduct could politely nudge people towards *quality* over
>> quantity (so that voices don't get drowned and big threads aren't so
>> tiresome to keep up with)
>
> Such a rule would make it very difficult indeed to address all
> concerns.

In some cases, it may be necessary to refute something every time it is
brought up.  But most matters are not *that* critical, and you can
assume that anyone reviewing the thread will read it in context, and not
just a single message with an dubious (but unrefuted) claim.

Thanks,
Florian
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Chris Peters]

Aug 29, 2019, 00:23 by joh...@splentity.com:

> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:27:56 AM MST Chris Peters wrote:
>
>> Maybe the code of conduct could politely nudge people towards *quality* over
>> quantity (so that voices don't get drowned and big threads aren't so
>> tiresome to keep up with)
>>
>
> Such a rule would make it very difficult indeed to address all concerns.
>

There are large threads where it would be natural for one person to answer 
questions and provide rebuttals, such as a Change owner.

In other large threads, healthy debate doesn't usually look like one person 
"addressing all concerns". A dominant voice is usually someone so passionate 
they inadvertently drown a debate with their opinion without realizing it might 
be inconsiderate.

 There's good reasons why moderated debates don't let the loudest person keep 
hold of the microphone. I'm not advocating moderation, but just saying it's 
possible to be passionate, objectively correct, and considerate all at the same 
time.  =)

Chris

PS I won't take this thread any further. The irony of a back and forth in the 
back and forth thread doesn't escape me!
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Christopher]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 7:04 AM Danny Lee  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering if
> these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent
> occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer what little spare time I have
> to help the Fedora project in some little ways. I don't feel that should
> include wading through dozens of emailed back and forths between
> individuals who seem to have strong, immovable opinions, I just don't
> have time for that.
>
> Is there any chance there is a moderated list or discussion group about
> current project tasks and issues rather than debates about how to do
> things?  Or perhaps, a way to turn off certain threads or block certain
> posters?
>
> Thanks for your time and info you can provide.

First, welcome to Fedora!
Second, no... I don't think these are common. Long debate threads
occur probably a few times a year.

Debate can be a good thing in an open source community. Keeping it
productive can be a challenge. Any forum where people gather is likely
to have the same sort of conflicts. That said, devel@ is a *very*
active mailing list, so even if these kinds of threads didn't occur,
you're still probably going to want to find some way to filter the
list with your email client, for your own sanity. Personally, I use
GMail, where you can "mute" threads, but others have other solutions.
You'll want to find something that works for you. Most email clients
have filters.
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[John Harris]

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:27:56 AM MST Chris Peters wrote:
> Maybe the code of conduct could politely nudge people towards *quality* over
> quantity (so that voices don't get drowned and big threads aren't so
> tiresome to keep up with)

Such a rule would make it very difficult indeed to address all concerns.

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[John Harris]

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:09:23 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> It's somewhat ironic that Discourse would solve this issue.  As I
> previously mentioned, I also don't like having my inbox flooded with forum
> threads that don't interest me.  The mailing list solution requires you
> setup filters or continuously delete dozens of emails.  Discourse however
> allows you to select what you want to read without needing to clean up
> afterwards.  As I also pointed out RSS would make HyperKitty a somewhat
> acceptable alternative - or as Kevin K. pointed out, you could also use
> NNTP.  I personally would rather not, but maybe that would fit your use
> case until a good solution could be implemented.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:42 AM Markus Larsson  wrote:
> > On 28 August 2019 13:34:54 CEST, "Dan Čermák" <
> > 
> > dan.cer...@cgc-instruments.com> wrote:
> > >Hi Danni,
> > >
> > >Danny Lee  writes:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >> 
> > >> I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering
> > >
> > >if
> > >
> > >> these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent
> > >> occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer what little spare time I
> > >
> > >have
> > >
> > >> to help the Fedora project in some little ways. I don't feel that
> > >
> > >should
> > >
> > >> include wading through dozens of emailed back and forths between
> > >> individuals who seem to have strong, immovable opinions, I just don't
> > >> 
> > >> have time for that.
> > >
> > >Welcome to the club of all the "silent" contributors!
> > >
> > >Usually I try to follow discussions if they appear relevant or
> > >interesting to me, but once they "tip over", I mark that thread as
> > >deleted and mercilessly nuke everything new that comes in.
> > >Yeah, I might miss some important information, but it's unlikely tbh
> > >once you are 20 replies deep into a thread.
> > >On the other hand: I don't want to spend all my free time reading
> > >emails.
> > >
> > >So, if you don't care about a specific topic: just ignore & delete it.
> > 
> > This is how I think most do it. Just read the interesting parts.
> > 
> > >Btw, this list is imho still pretty moderate, only the occasional
> > >controversy causes a huge thread of replies (and people manage to stay
> > >civilized and tend to bring in new arguments). There's other lists
> > >(unnamed to protect the guilty) where the signal to noise ratio is
> > >much,
> > >much worse.
> > 
> > The discourse debate and the fw debate are not the norm but the exception.
> > We see a few of those from time to time. Most threads aren't like that
> > though.
> > 
> > >> Is there any chance there is a moderated list or discussion group
> > >
> > >about
> > >
> > >> current project tasks and issues rather than debates about how to do
> > >> things?  Or perhaps, a way to turn off certain threads or block
> > >
> > >certain
> > >
> > >> posters?
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks for your time and info you can provide.

Discourse is not much different from email here. You can see the threads, and 
you choose whether or not you want to read them. If you don't want them to hit 
your inbox or notifications, you can click a button on your client to stop 
receiving future emails or notifications from that thread.

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2019-08-28 at 07:03 -0400, Danny Lee wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering if 
> these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent 
> occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer what little spare time I have 
> to help the Fedora project in some little ways. I don't feel that should 
> include wading through dozens of emailed back and forths between 
> individuals who seem to have strong, immovable opinions, I just don't 
> have time for that.
> 
> Is there any chance there is a moderated list or discussion group about 
> current project tasks and issues rather than debates about how to do 
> things?  Or perhaps, a way to turn off certain threads or block certain 
> posters?

Agree with others that devel@ is definitely something you should filter
into a folder and read selectively. I read every mail to the list for 8
years or so but even I gave up in the end :P

To answer the second part of your question: devel@ is not usually where
most concrete 'project tasks and issues' come up at all. It's used for
a range of things, but often it is more general discussion and kinda
kicking things around than for specific planning of individual tasks.

The various groups within Fedora generally plan tasks on their own
lists and/or in some kind of issue tracker, often a Pagure project.
Getting more specific depends a bit on exactly what kind of
contribution you're interested in. Have you seen the page at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join ? It's a pretty good starting
point. If you're still having trouble finding a way in, feel free to
mail me, I can probably either help you or point you at someone else
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Chris Peters]

Open debate is essential =)

But sometimes threads get drowned by Excessive Participation (TM) from one or 
two people replying to every sub-thread and sub-sub-thread.

Eg, "Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall" thread has 25+ people 
and 100+ replies, but a quarter of the replies are from a single person.

Maybe the code of conduct could politely nudge people towards *quality* over 
quantity (so that voices don't get drowned and big threads aren't so tiresome 
to keep up with)

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Tony Nelson]

On 19-08-28 07:03:00, Danny Lee wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering
if these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent
occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer what little spare time I
have to help the Fedora project in some little ways. I don't feel
that should include wading through dozens of emailed back and forths
between individuals who seem to have strong, immovable opinions, I
just don't have time for that.

 ...

Perhaps you would prefer the low traffic of the Devel Announce list?

Check in the list archives first.


There were suggestions that your email provider might do mail filtering
into folders.  That is usually a function of the email client that
you use to read email, and if yours doesn't do it well, you can choose
another.  Thunderbird and Evolution come to mind (I use balsa myself,
but I don't necessarily recommend it).

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Gerald B. Cox]

It's somewhat ironic that Discourse would solve this issue.  As I
previously mentioned, I also don't like having my inbox flooded with forum
threads that don't interest me.  The mailing list solution requires you
setup filters or continuously delete dozens of emails.  Discourse however
allows you to select what you want to read without needing to clean up
afterwards.  As I also pointed out RSS would make HyperKitty a somewhat
acceptable alternative - or as Kevin K. pointed out, you could also use
NNTP.  I personally would rather not, but maybe that would fit your use
case until a good solution could be implemented.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:42 AM Markus Larsson  wrote:

>
>
> On 28 August 2019 13:34:54 CEST, "Dan Čermák" <
> dan.cer...@cgc-instruments.com> wrote:
> >Hi Danni,
> >
> >Danny Lee  writes:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering
> >if
> >> these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent
> >> occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer what little spare time I
> >have
> >> to help the Fedora project in some little ways. I don't feel that
> >should
> >> include wading through dozens of emailed back and forths between
> >> individuals who seem to have strong, immovable opinions, I just don't
> >
> >> have time for that.
> >
> >Welcome to the club of all the "silent" contributors!
> >
> >Usually I try to follow discussions if they appear relevant or
> >interesting to me, but once they "tip over", I mark that thread as
> >deleted and mercilessly nuke everything new that comes in.
> >Yeah, I might miss some important information, but it's unlikely tbh
> >once you are 20 replies deep into a thread.
> >On the other hand: I don't want to spend all my free time reading
> >emails.
> >
> >So, if you don't care about a specific topic: just ignore & delete it.
>
> This is how I think most do it. Just read the interesting parts.
>
> >
> >
> >Btw, this list is imho still pretty moderate, only the occasional
> >controversy causes a huge thread of replies (and people manage to stay
> >civilized and tend to bring in new arguments). There's other lists
> >(unnamed to protect the guilty) where the signal to noise ratio is
> >much,
> >much worse.
>
> The discourse debate and the fw debate are not the norm but the exception.
> We see a few of those from time to time. Most threads aren't like that
> though.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Is there any chance there is a moderated list or discussion group
> >about
> >> current project tasks and issues rather than debates about how to do
> >> things?  Or perhaps, a way to turn off certain threads or block
> >certain
> >> posters?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your time and info you can provide.
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Markus Larsson]

On 28 August 2019 13:34:54 CEST, "Dan Čermák"  
wrote:
>Hi Danni,
>
>Danny Lee  writes:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering
>if 
>> these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent 
>> occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer what little spare time I
>have 
>> to help the Fedora project in some little ways. I don't feel that
>should 
>> include wading through dozens of emailed back and forths between 
>> individuals who seem to have strong, immovable opinions, I just don't
>
>> have time for that.
>
>Welcome to the club of all the "silent" contributors!
>
>Usually I try to follow discussions if they appear relevant or
>interesting to me, but once they "tip over", I mark that thread as
>deleted and mercilessly nuke everything new that comes in.
>Yeah, I might miss some important information, but it's unlikely tbh
>once you are 20 replies deep into a thread.
>On the other hand: I don't want to spend all my free time reading
>emails.
>
>So, if you don't care about a specific topic: just ignore & delete it.

This is how I think most do it. Just read the interesting parts.

>
>
>Btw, this list is imho still pretty moderate, only the occasional
>controversy causes a huge thread of replies (and people manage to stay
>civilized and tend to bring in new arguments). There's other lists
>(unnamed to protect the guilty) where the signal to noise ratio is
>much,
>much worse.

The discourse debate and the fw debate are not the norm but the exception. We 
see a few of those from time to time. Most threads aren't like that though.

>
>>
>> Is there any chance there is a moderated list or discussion group
>about 
>> current project tasks and issues rather than debates about how to do 
>> things?  Or perhaps, a way to turn off certain threads or block
>certain 
>> posters?
>>
>> Thanks for your time and info you can provide.
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Dan Čermák]

Hi Danni,

Danny Lee  writes:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering if 
> these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent 
> occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer what little spare time I have 
> to help the Fedora project in some little ways. I don't feel that should 
> include wading through dozens of emailed back and forths between 
> individuals who seem to have strong, immovable opinions, I just don't 
> have time for that.

Welcome to the club of all the "silent" contributors!

Usually I try to follow discussions if they appear relevant or
interesting to me, but once they "tip over", I mark that thread as
deleted and mercilessly nuke everything new that comes in.
Yeah, I might miss some important information, but it's unlikely tbh
once you are 20 replies deep into a thread.
On the other hand: I don't want to spend all my free time reading
emails.

So, if you don't care about a specific topic: just ignore & delete it.


Btw, this list is imho still pretty moderate, only the occasional
controversy causes a huge thread of replies (and people manage to stay
civilized and tend to bring in new arguments). There's other lists
(unnamed to protect the guilty) where the signal to noise ratio is much,
much worse.

>
> Is there any chance there is a moderated list or discussion group about 
> current project tasks and issues rather than debates about how to do 
> things?  Or perhaps, a way to turn off certain threads or block certain 
> posters?
>
> Thanks for your time and info you can provide.
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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 07:03:00 -0400, Danny Lee wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Danny,

Open discussion is encouraged in the community and we try not to limit
the scope of these discussions. We always learn something new from each
other. Moderation is only used when the Code of Conduct
is not followed, which rarely happens:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/

The -devel list is quite general and so receives higher traffic than
most other lists. Each specific team/SIG also has their own mailing
lists or communication channels. These will be more focussed:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/

Please simply delete topics that don't interest you. You can also use
the filter functionality that your e-mail provider includes to organise
incoming e-mails as you wish---filter on the basis of keywords and so
on.

Few threads will be relevant to all subscribers---there's always a lot
happening in Fedora and we are extremely diverse (which is how we like
it). :)

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Re: Debates/back and forths

[Ernestas Kulik]

On Wed, 2019-08-28 at 07:03 -0400, Danny Lee wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering
> if 
> these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent 
> occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer what little spare time I
> have 
> to help the Fedora project in some little ways. I don't feel that
> should 
> include wading through dozens of emailed back and forths between 
> individuals who seem to have strong, immovable opinions, I just
> don't 
> have time for that.
> 
> Is there any chance there is a moderated list or discussion group
> about 
> current project tasks and issues rather than debates about how to do 
> things?  Or perhaps, a way to turn off certain threads or block
> certain 
> posters?

Aren’t those just the kinds of discussions you are referring to? You
can also filter things as your email provider allows.

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Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems (Core
Services/ABRT)
Red Hat Czech, s.r.o.
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