Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 1:40:11 AM WET Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Please keep in mind that Linus Torvalds himself announced his project with > the words: "It is NOT protable" [sic] "(uses 386 task switching etc),". [1] > The portability came much later, after major changes (such as

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

José Abílio Matos wrote: > And there it says: > """ > The Free Software Foundation was initially sceptical of the capabilities > of Linux as a portable operating system. Initial versions only ran on the > IBM 386. According to Stallman: "We heard that Linux was not at all > portable (this may not

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Monday, March 22, 2021 5:02:47 PM WET Gordon Messmer wrote: > As a rationale, your explanation as a whole seems retaliatory, to me. > "The GNU project encouraged its volunteers to work on HURD instead of > Linux, so we'll not speak their name because this makes us unhappy." > > That doesn't

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen said: > My main problem is that for a good portion of the 1990's the GNU operating > system was HURD and any and all work on Linux was seen as a major > distraction and removal of resources from the more important operating > system. In the early 1990's, I

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 13:04, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 3/22/21 6:56 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > > > My main problem is that for a good portion of the 1990's the GNU > > operating system was HURD and any and all work on Linux was seen as a > > major distraction and removal of

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 3/22/21 6:56 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: My main problem is that for a good portion of the 1990's the GNU operating system was HURD and any and all work on Linux was seen as a major distraction and removal of resources from the more important operating system. In the early 1990's, I

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 13/03/21 12:59 -0500, Gerald Henriksen wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:00:12 -0500, you wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:13:07PM -0500, Gerald Henriksen wrote: You aren't going to change not just the 15+ year habits of how people refer to Fedora, but the even longer habits of how people

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 02:09, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 3/9/21 7:43 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > 2. Why Linux and not GNU/Linux? Linux is just a kernel. GNU/Linux is an OS. > > Fedora Linux is an OS. Although GNU project utilities are indeed essential, > Fedora Linux consists of more than

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 3/9/21 7:43 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: 2. Why Linux and not GNU/Linux? Linux is just a kernel. GNU/Linux is an OS. Fedora Linux is an OS. Although GNU project utilities are indeed essential, Fedora Linux consists of more than those plus Linux, and the contributions of many of those other

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:00:12 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:13:07PM -0500, Gerald Henriksen wrote: >> You aren't going to change not just the 15+ year habits of how people >> refer to Fedora, but the even longer habits of how people call Linux >> distributions. > >Again, I'm not

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:13:07PM -0500, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > You aren't going to change not just the 15+ year habits of how people > refer to Fedora, but the even longer habits of how people call Linux > distributions. Again, I'm not out to immediately change colloquial usage. Although I

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Gerald Henriksen wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:21:18 -0500, you wrote: > >>I would put it this way: this change _helps recognize_ that Fedora is more >>than its main product. This isn't new; EPEL has been part of Fedora since >>the beginning, and CoreOS has been since it replaced Project

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 8:13 PM Gerald Henriksen wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:21:18 -0500, you wrote: > > >I would put it this way: this change _helps recognize_ that Fedora is more > >than its main product. This isn't new; EPEL has been part of Fedora since > >the beginning, and CoreOS has

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:21:18 -0500, you wrote: >I would put it this way: this change _helps recognize_ that Fedora is more >than its main product. This isn't new; EPEL has been part of Fedora since >the beginning, and CoreOS has been since it replaced Project Atomic. You want this change to do

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 01:38:13PM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > 3. I think this changes defocuses the Fedora Project from its main product > (the GNU/Linux distribution) and will ultimately hurts its users (i.e., most > of us on this mailing list). It is going to turn "Fedora Linux"

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 13:57 +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > Check this out from back in the day: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Logo-history-variations.jpg > > > > Under that scheme, it was obvious that we did a number of different > > things, all of them

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Matthew Miller wrote: > Check this out from back in the day: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Logo-history-variations.jpg > > Under that scheme, it was obvious that we did a number of different > things, all of them "Fedora". But those things have one thing in common, they are all gone

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Ben Cotton wrote: > "Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux > distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the OS > itself. > > == Owner == > > * Name: [[User:mattdm| Matthew Miller]] I am opposed to this change, for several reasons: 1. This kind of

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

I much prefer simple things, and referring to the distribution as "Fedora" does it for me on a few levels. FNU? Perhaps in the future the Linux kernel may fall out of favour for something else, hey why not just cut to the eventual chase and call it systemd-fedora. On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 22:21,

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

> Fedora is. Linux isn't. Linux is just an OS kernel Linux (/ˈlinʊks/ (listen) LEEN-uuks or /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-uuks[9]) is a family of open-source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel. ср, 10 мар. 2021 г. в 01:35, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel : > > On 09.03.2021 16:43, Matthew Miller

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Sorry for being not constructive. I'll try to explain my point of view. > Where are you seeing huge misunderstandings? In Fedora and other Linux communities (not eng, btw). > What misunderstandings are there? To my surprise, I saw how a person who perfectly knows the difference between Fedora

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 01:26:55PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > If we're going to name the distribution after some of its components, > why stop at one or two? ... > It's better to give the whole distribution its own name, and not name > it after any of its components. Fedora is a software

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 3/10/21 11:21 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:15 AM Robbi Nespu wrote: I got mixed feeling, I understand the reason why but I don't quite understand why you don't want to use "Fedora GNU/Linux". Read you comment on others email but the is not much details. Could you

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

My vote: Fedora for the distro some want to rename Fedora Linux Fedora Project for the all-encompassing collection of things Fedora And now, back to more important things ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 12:47:44AM +0500, Vladislav Kazakov wrote: > I can already see huge misunderstandings outside of mailing lists. > In my opinion, “Fedora” is better. Where are you seeing huge misunderstandings? What misunderstandings are there? Are these misunderstandings the sole reason

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

I can already see huge misunderstandings outside of mailing lists. In my opinion, “Fedora” is better. -1. Чт, 11 марта 2021 г. в 00:30, Vascom : > Please, keep simple "Fedora". > > Don't make us ridiculous. > > I vote -1. > > ср, 10 мар. 2021 г., 22:22 Reon Beon via devel < >

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 07:21:44PM -, Reon Beon via devel wrote: > uname -a > > Linux fedora 5.12.0-0.rc2.165.fc35.x86_64 #1 SMP Sat Mar 6 16:32:15 UTC 2021 > x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > Shouldn't fedora be capitalized? No. The 2nd word of the output of "uname -a" is the nodename

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Please, keep simple "Fedora". Don't make us ridiculous. I vote -1. ср, 10 мар. 2021 г., 22:22 Reon Beon via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>: > uname -a > > Linux fedora 5.12.0-0.rc2.165.fc35.x86_64 #1 SMP Sat Mar 6 16:32:15 UTC > 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > Shouldn't fedora

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

uname -a Linux fedora 5.12.0-0.rc2.165.fc35.x86_64 #1 SMP Sat Mar 6 16:32:15 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux Shouldn't fedora be capitalized? ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 10/03/21 03:22 -, Scott Williams wrote: I'm +1 on "Fedora Linux". I believe it adds clarity, especially when talking with software vendors. IE, "I'm running Fedora Linux" is less ambiguous than having to explain that Fedora is Linux after telling your ISP's support, etc., "I'm running

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

For me I go with your first suggestion: Keep it simple for the OS, just fedora, as it already is; and for the overall effort, Fedora Project. It works already. Em qua, 10 de mar de 2021 09:27, Björn Persson escreveu: > Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > 2. Why Linux and not GNU/Linux? Linux is

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Wed, 2021-03-10 at 10:21 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > ...[snip] > From the Community Blog post[1]: > > > Why not use “Fedora GNU+Linux” or some similar name? We want to be > > easy to say. The more words we add, the harder that is. And while > > GNU is an important part of Fedora Linux, there

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:15 AM Robbi Nespu wrote: > > I got mixed feeling, I understand the reason why but I don't quite > understand why you don't want to use "Fedora GNU/Linux". Read you > comment on others email but the is not much details. Could you explain > again in details? From the

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:26:55 +0100 Björn Persson wrote: > It's better to give the whole distribution its own name, and not name > it after any of its components. Fedora is a software distribution. It > contains Linux, many GNU components, RPM, MariaDB, Libreoffice and > lots of other things, but

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Hi Matthew Miller, I got mixed feeling, I understand the reason why but I don't quite understand why you don't want to use "Fedora GNU/Linux". Read you comment on others email but the is not much details. Could you explain again in details? Perhaps explain on Wiki too.. p/s : - Can we have

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 09:20:21AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > However, I can imagine that somebody will correct me that the right > way is to say "I have installed Fedora Linux on my LP", because > "Fedora" does not exist in this context. Here's my suggestion: if you're writing formal Fedora

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 08:04:01PM -0500, Christopher wrote: > I get the idea that it's useful to draw a distinction between the > project and the product, and agree with the goal. The upstream naming > preference wasn't really my point in those examples, though. My > examples were an attempt to

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 01:24:36PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > I don't think "Linux" conveys the distinction between those things and > ELN. Someone who hears "Fedora Linux" won't understand that it comprises > both Workstation and CoreOS but not ELN. It would be better to come up > with another

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 09:27:49AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > How about changing /etc/redhat-release ? I am specifically asking > this in the context of Vagrant, which seems to use this file to > detect Fedora. That does seem to be set from NAME, and Vagrant does this:

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 10:19:53PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > Fedora actually *has* other things branded Fedora today, and may do so > for more things in the future. They don't have the opportunity to get > attention because our ability to present ourselves beyond the Linux > distribution sucks. >

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Matthew Miller wrote: > Of course, the obvious response is that it hasn't stuck. That might be > partly true, but it also definitely _has_ for other people (see for example > the `httpd` package naming in our own repos) Debian, on the other hand, has an apache2 package, /usr/sbin/apache2,

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Matthew Miller wrote: > leading to things like > people saying "Oh, that's in CoreOS, not Fedora", where the shorthand is > more confusing than helpful. What should that be instead? "That's in CoreOS, not Linux" is no better. "That's in Fedora CoreOS, not Fedora Linux" makes no sense either,

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > 2. Why Linux and not GNU/Linux? Linux is just a kernel. GNU/Linux is an OS. It was very predictable that this argument would happen, and that's why I've been quite happy that Fedora is just "Fedora" with no "Linux" in the name. If we're going to name the

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

> We make EPEL, ELN, and thousands of packages in Copr. These are all part of > Fedora — but aren't Fedora Linux. We also make artwork, music, > documentation, videos, websites, tools, and more. These things too are part > of our project, but aren't part of the Fedora Linux distribution. ELN also

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

How about changing /etc/redhat-release ? I am specifically asking this in the context of Vagrant, which seems to use this file to detect Fedora. Vít Dne 09. 03. 21 v 19:11 Matthew Miller napsal(a): On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 07:02:10PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Are we going to move from

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

I agree with David. While I am sure that we can fix every bit of the distribution and documentation to refer to "Fedora Linux", I don't think there is a way to change people to refer in colloquial language to Fedora, the operating system, as a Fedora Linux. I'll certainly keep using sentences

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Forwarding this announcement to beakerlib contributor - beakerlib, the library for writing tests for Fedora/RHEL, has rlIsFedora function, so IMO it parses /etc/os-release somehow. Dalibor, any potential breakage in beakerlib regarding this change? On 3/9/21 3:33 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: >

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

And, if Fedora Linux isn't clear enough, we can always abruptly rebrand it to Fedora Stream in a few months. I don't think that would cause any confusion. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

I'm +1 on "Fedora Linux". I believe it adds clarity, especially when talking with software vendors. IE, "I'm running Fedora Linux" is less ambiguous than having to explain that Fedora is Linux after telling your ISP's support, etc., "I'm running Fedora."

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:58 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > "Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux distribution > > is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the OS itself. > > Does Fedora have some other product? A dessert topping? A floor wax? > Perhaps a hip

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 05:32:41PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > I agree that it's a little weird at first, but as Ben Cotton said, > after the first hundred times or so it becomes natural. This is not necessarily true. Our university IT department changed its name about a decade ago, from three

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:33 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > In short... both of these projects have the same policy I'm asking for. I get the idea that it's useful to draw a distinction between the project and the product, and agree with the goal. The upstream naming preference wasn't really my point

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 10:25:31PM +, Ian McInerney wrote: > This doesn't really sound like something that gets included in a software > release notes page. Can we have a technical description in the release > notes as well please? It would be good to explicitly say that the > key changed in

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 04:11:55PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > I have seen third-party install scripts and such that parse that file > and look for "Fedora" to take actions/set variables/etc. for Fedora > Linux. You can say "we don't support third-party anything", but it's > still going to cause

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 04:15:14PM -0500, Christopher wrote: > This is similar to how I use "Apache" to refer to the webserver and > "Apache Software Foundation" to refer to the organization, and how I > use "Eclipse" to refer to the IDE software, and the "Eclipse > Foundation" to refer to that

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Linux_in_os-release > > == Summary == > > "Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux > distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the OS itself. > > == Owner ==

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 10:12 PM Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Ben Cotton said: > > This change isn't big — it is simply expanding > > > > * NAME=Fedora to NAME="Fedora Linux" and > > * PRETTY_NAME="Fedora Linux [##] ([edition or spin]) > > > > in the file /etc/os-release. > > I have

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Once upon a time, Ben Cotton said: > This change isn't big — it is simply expanding > > * NAME=Fedora to NAME="Fedora Linux" and > * PRETTY_NAME="Fedora Linux [##] ([edition or spin]) > > in the file /etc/os-release. I have seen third-party install scripts and such that parse that file and

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Once upon a time, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel said: > But we are still using GCC, GNU coreutils, glibc, libstdc++, etc. > That's why we cannot name an OS without the GNU prefix. Sure we can. There is absolutely no GNU requirement that you embed their name in your name (and it'd be a violation of

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:27 PM José Abílio Matos wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 4:34:48 PM WET Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > Fedora is. Linux isn't. Linux is just an OS kernel. It cannot be used > > without helpers like GNU libraries and utilities. > > Fedora is the project. > How do

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Another pointless change that adds nothing and will cause breakages. Shouldn't we be given a vote on this? ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Ben Cotton píše v Út 09. 03. 2021 v 09:33 -0500: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Linux_in_os-release > > == Summary == > > "Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux > distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the OS > itself. This change

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

The change is indeed not big and it will probably not change the fact that most people will still refer to "Fedora" as "Fedora" but I agree that it is a good move to name and distinguish things properly in the documentation and system information. It was always odd to me that RHEL was called

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 07:02:10PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Are we going to move from getfedora.org to getfedoralinux.org? Websites/design are still looking at the plan for the next generation of the user-oriented "brochure" websites. Remember, we don't have to solve all things immediately and

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Dne 09. 03. 21 v 18:05 Matthew Miller napsal(a): On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 05:58:47PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Are we going to change also our logo to be consistent? As part of the new logo rollout, in places where it makes sense, yes. Are we going to move from getfedora.org to

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 12:46, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 09.03.2021 18:20, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Feel free to start your own distro with whatever name > > *you* choose;-) > > I'm Fedora maintainer too, so I have the right to show my point of view > on

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 12:40:50PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > I personally think this is a fine change to make. FESCo can certainly > approve the mechanics of this change, but I expect a Fedora Council > approval at the project level to correspond to this. I don't see a > ticket for this there,

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:38 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 09. 03. 21 15:33, Ben Cotton wrote: > > ... > > * Trademark approval: Not required. Note that this has been cleared by > > Fedora Legal. > > As a change proposal, this will need to pass a FESCo vote. From FESCo > perspective, I think we

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 09. 03. 21 15:33, Ben Cotton wrote: ... * Trademark approval: Not required. Note that this has been cleared by Fedora Legal. As a change proposal, this will need to pass a FESCo vote. From FESCo perspective, I think we should make sure it doesn't break stuff (and many have already

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 09.03.2021 18:20, DJ Delorie wrote: Feel free to start your own distro with whatever name *you* choose;-) I'm Fedora maintainer too, so I have the right to show my point of view on this issue. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 4:34:48 PM WET Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > Fedora is. Linux isn't. Linux is just an OS kernel. It cannot be used > without helpers like GNU libraries and utilities. Fedora is the project. How do you distinguish the project from the distribution? AFAICS this is an

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 05:20:30PM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > The short identifier ID=fedora will remain the same, so scripted > > > interactions should be unaffected. > > > > python-distro and mock is using this information. I just tested it and this > > change should not change the

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Vitaly Zaitsev via devel writes: > Ofc we can use it, but only when we will get rid of all GNU libraries, > compiler and utilities. :-) Please don't start this tired old argument again. "Fedora Linux" is a name, not an ISO standard, we can call it whatever we want. We respect that you may

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 05:10:46PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 09. 03. 21 v 15:33 Ben Cotton napsal(a): > > > > This change isn't big — it is simply expanding > > > > * NAME=Fedora to NAME="Fedora Linux"  and > > * PRETTY_NAME="Fedora Linux [##] ([edition or spin]) > > > > in the file

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Linux_in_os-release > > == Summary == > > "Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux > distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the OS itself. > > == Owner == > >

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Am 09.03.21 um 17:54 schrieb Matthew Miller: We don't need to reach 100% compliance (or any other metric) to be an improvement. I don't think adding "Linux" is an improvement.  Everyone who does not think of a hat first, when someone mentions Fedora, already knows,  this is a Linux

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 05:35:40PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 09.03.2021 17:03, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >tl;dr: 8% gnu (by some measure) in 2011. That number has probably > >fallen quite a bit since then. > > GCC, glibc, libstdc++, coreutils. Yeah, but all those

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 05:58:47PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Are we going to change also our logo to be consistent? As part of the new logo rollout, in places where it makes sense, yes. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ devel mailing

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Are we going to change also our logo to be consistent? Vít Dne 09. 03. 21 v 15:33 Ben Cotton napsal(a): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Linux_in_os-release == Summary == "Fedora" is the name of our project.

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 10:37:02AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:33 am, Ben Cotton wrote: > >Fedora is made of people! When used by itself, the term "Fedora" > >refers to the Fedora Project. When referring to our work, please > >use either a specific name like Fedora

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 09.03.2021 17:49, Matthew Miller wrote: Right, and I'm proposing we use the name "Fedora Linux", not just "Linux". Ofc we can use it, but only when we will get rid of all GNU libraries, compiler and utilities. :-) -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 05:34:48PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 09.03.2021 16:43, Matthew Miller wrote: > >Fedora Linux is an OS. > Fedora is. Linux isn't. Linux is just an OS kernel. It cannot be > used without helpers like GNU libraries and utilities. Right, and I'm proposing we

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:33 am, Ben Cotton wrote: Fedora is made of people! When used by itself, the term "Fedora" refers to the Fedora Project. When referring to our work, please use either a specific name like Fedora Workstation, Fedora CoreOS, or Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop; or use Fedora

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 09. 03. 21 17:03, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 10:43:32AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 04:28:54PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: "Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 09.03.2021 17:03, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: tl;dr: 8% gnu (by some measure) in 2011. That number has probably fallen quite a bit since then. GCC, glibc, libstdc++, coreutils. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 09.03.2021 16:43, Matthew Miller wrote: Fedora Linux is an OS. Fedora is. Linux isn't. Linux is just an OS kernel. It cannot be used without helpers like GNU libraries and utilities. We are not part of GNU, and in fact listed by them as specifically not endorsed because we have policy

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

Dne 09. 03. 21 v 15:33 Ben Cotton napsal(a): This change isn't big — it is simply expanding * NAME=Fedora to NAME="Fedora Linux"  and * PRETTY_NAME="Fedora Linux [##] ([edition or spin]) in the file /etc/os-release. The short identifier ID=fedora will remain the same, so scripted

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 10:43:32AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 04:28:54PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > >"Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux > > >distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the > > >OS itself. > >

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 04:28:54PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > >"Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux > >distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the > >OS itself. > > 1. "Fedora" is shorter and better, IMO. The "Core" suffix was >

Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release

On 09.03.2021 15:33, Ben Cotton wrote: "Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the OS itself. 1. "Fedora" is shorter and better, IMO. The "Core" suffix was dropped years ago. 2. Why Linux and not GNU/Linux?