Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-10-05 Thread James Hogarth
On 2 October 2017 at 03:26, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > El vie, 22-09-2017 a las 15:25 -0500, Michael Catanzaro escribió: > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Chris Adams > > wrote: > > > On what grounds? There is nothing in the Fedora guidelines that > > >

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-10-01 Thread Dennis Gilmore
El vie, 22-09-2017 a las 15:25 -0500, Michael Catanzaro escribió: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Chris Adams > wrote: > > On what grounds? There is nothing in the Fedora guidelines that > > makes > > package maintainers beholden to third-party (by definition, not > > part

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-27 Thread jack smith
Hello Laura, Is it possible that these 2 bugs, that are probably due to a wrong config, be fixed in 4.13 ? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1491521 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1470995 More infos : https://github.com/MattDevo/firmware/issues/74 Thanks !

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-25 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: Why would the kernel modules be shown in Gnome Software? That goes against all that I've heard about it. All the low level things like libraries and non-graphical programs are not shown. I believe it has appstream

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-25 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 09/25/2017 06:26 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:33 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: How is the user experience for installing these kernel modules today, anyway?  Does it need specialized knowledge to turn of Secure Boot in the firmware? If yes,

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-25 Thread mcatanzaro
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:33 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: How is the user experience for installing these kernel modules today, anyway? Does it need specialized knowledge to turn of Secure Boot in the firmware? If yes, this means that those users are pretty advanced and

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-25 Thread Florian Weimer
On 09/22/2017 06:43 PM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: But if Negativo users start complaining that their computers don't boot anymore, then we'll definitely need to stop doing major kernel updates ("taking the entire distro hostage" I guess) as the Negativo support is important for product

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-23 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: For what it's worth: I just installed the 4.13.2 kernel from the kernel-stabilization repo, and the nvidia akmod module (from negativo17 repo) failed to build (as expected). But after rebooting with the new kernel,

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Fabio Valentini
For what it's worth: I just installed the 4.13.2 kernel from the kernel-stabilization repo, and the nvidia akmod module (from negativo17 repo) failed to build (as expected). But after rebooting with the new kernel, the system uses the fallback to nouveau correctly - without any manual

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 7:46 PM, wrote: > Oh boy. :) > > Does anyone know if the fallback is working properly? Because if so, then > everyone is happy and we don't need to be having this discussion. Sounds > like there's a good chance that's the case. (I don't have an

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
2017-09-22 20:46 GMT+02:00 : > Oh boy. :) > > Does anyone know if the fallback is working properly? Because if so, then Just restoring the fact here, because despite the fallback idea is hans/WG the implementation is "RPM Fusion Community" original works. (1) So yet as soon

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Justin Forbes
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Chris Adams wrote: >> >> On what grounds? There is nothing in the Fedora guidelines that makes >> package maintainers beholden to third-party (by definition,

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michael Catanzaro said: > OK, I'll bite. The grounds are that FESCo has granted the WG full > control over the Workstation product Where is it documented that "full control" includes non-Fedora content? I would have assumed (unless otherwise stated)

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Chris Adams wrote: On what grounds? There is nothing in the Fedora guidelines that makes package maintainers beholden to third-party (by definition, not part of Fedora) repos. There's nothing for FESCo to vote on, unless you are going to

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, mcatanz...@gnome.org said: > If the fallback is not working, then FESCo will probably need to > decide indeed. On what grounds? There is nothing in the Fedora guidelines that makes package maintainers beholden to third-party (by definition, not part of

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread mcatanzaro
Oh boy. :) Does anyone know if the fallback is working properly? Because if so, then everyone is happy and we don't need to be having this discussion. Sounds like there's a good chance that's the case. (I don't have an nvidia card to test myself.) If the fallback is not working, then FESCo

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Laura Abbott wrote: > On 09/22/2017 09:43 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: >> >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:41 AM, James Hogarth >> wrote: >>> >>> Pretty sure the last testing I did with the details form Hans's blog[0]

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Laura Abbott
On 09/22/2017 09:43 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:41 AM, James Hogarth wrote: Pretty sure the last testing I did with the details form Hans's blog[0] the behaviour was that if the nvidia driver failed then the nouveau driver was a fallback

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
On 12/09/17 02:47 PM, Laura Abbott wrote: > On 09/05/2017 09:41 AM, Laura Abbott wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Kernel 4.13 was released this past weekend. This kernel has been >> built for rawhide and is building for F27 as well. We will be >> following the same upgrade procedure as in the past. F25 and F26

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, mcatanz...@gnome.org said: > But if Negativo users start complaining that their computers don't > boot anymore, then we'll definitely need to stop doing major kernel > updates ("taking the entire distro hostage" I guess) as the Negativo > support is

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Ben Rosser
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 22 September 2017 at 12:43, wrote: >> But if Negativo users start complaining that their computers don't boot >> anymore, then we'll definitely need to stop doing major kernel updates >>

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:43:21AM -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:41 AM, James Hogarth > wrote: > > Pretty sure the last testing I did with the details form Hans's blog[0] > > the behaviour was that if the nvidia driver failed then the

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 September 2017 at 12:43, wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:41 AM, James Hogarth > wrote: >> >> Pretty sure the last testing I did with the details form Hans's blog[0] >> the behaviour was that if the nvidia driver failed then the nouveau

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread mcatanzaro
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:41 AM, James Hogarth wrote: Pretty sure the last testing I did with the details form Hans's blog[0] the behaviour was that if the nvidia driver failed then the nouveau driver was a fallback (rather than the older instructions that totally

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread James Hogarth
On 22 September 2017 at 15:02, James Hogarth wrote: > > > On 22 September 2017 at 14:50, Gary Gatling wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 9:41 AM, James Hogarth >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Pretty sure the last testing I

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread James Hogarth
On 22 September 2017 at 14:50, Gary Gatling wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 9:41 AM, James Hogarth > wrote: > >> >>> >> Pretty sure the last testing I did with the details form Hans's blog[0] >> the behaviour was that if the nvidia driver failed

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Gary Gatling
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 9:41 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > >> > Pretty sure the last testing I did with the details form Hans's blog[0] > the behaviour was that if the nvidia driver failed then the nouveau driver > was a fallback (rather than the older instructions that

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread James Hogarth
On 22 September 2017 at 14:34, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 09:22:08AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > repo is supported and it needs to not break. We've been super super > lenient > > > > That's a completely untenable position. There is only one

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 09:22:08AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > repo is supported and it needs to not break. We've been super super lenient > > That's a completely untenable position. There is only one kernel for > all the Editions. There will be times where the kernel needs to be > updated to

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:54 AM, Josh Boyer > wrote: >> >> Absolutely not. >> >> josh > > > If it breaks the Negativo repo, then yes it is. The Nvidia driver from that No, it's

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:54 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: Absolutely not. josh If it breaks the Negativo repo, then yes it is. The Nvidia driver from that repo is supported and it needs to not break. We've been super super lenient with allowing kernel updates in the

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:42 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > > > On 15 September 2017 at 11:00, James Hogarth > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 13 September 2017 at 01:39, James Hogarth >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12 Sep 2017 10:49

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-22 Thread James Hogarth
On 15 September 2017 at 11:00, James Hogarth wrote: > > > On 13 September 2017 at 01:39, James Hogarth > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12 Sep 2017 10:49 pm, "Laura Abbott" wrote: >> >> On 09/05/2017 09:41 AM, Laura Abbott wrote: >>

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-15 Thread James Hogarth
On 13 September 2017 at 01:39, James Hogarth wrote: > > > On 12 Sep 2017 10:49 pm, "Laura Abbott" wrote: > > On 09/05/2017 09:41 AM, Laura Abbott wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Kernel 4.13 was released this past weekend. This kernel has been >> built for

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-12 Thread James Hogarth
On 12 Sep 2017 10:49 pm, "Laura Abbott" wrote: On 09/05/2017 09:41 AM, Laura Abbott wrote: > Hi, > > Kernel 4.13 was released this past weekend. This kernel has been > built for rawhide and is building for F27 as well. We will be > following the same upgrade procedure as in

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-12 Thread Laura Abbott
On 09/05/2017 09:41 AM, Laura Abbott wrote: Hi, Kernel 4.13 was released this past weekend. This kernel has been built for rawhide and is building for F27 as well. We will be following the same upgrade procedure as in the past. F25 and F26 will get rebased to 4.13 after a few stable releases,

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-08 Thread Petr Šabata
On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 06:39:29PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, James Hogarth wrote: > > > > > > On 5 September 2017 at 22:40, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Chris Murphy

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, James Hogarth wrote: > > > On 5 September 2017 at 22:40, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Chris Murphy >> wrote: >> >> > FWIW, you can just download the F27

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, James Hogarth wrote: > > > On 5 September 2017 at 22:40, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Chris Murphy >> wrote: >> >> > FWIW, you can just download the F27

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-05 Thread James Hogarth
On 5 September 2017 at 22:40, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Chris Murphy > wrote: > > > FWIW, you can just download the F27 kernel, kernel-core, > > kernel-modules (optionally extras), and 'sudo dnf install *rpm' in > >

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > FWIW, you can just download the F27 kernel, kernel-core, > kernel-modules (optionally extras), and 'sudo dnf install *rpm' in > that same download directory and it will install it without complaint. > I routinely run

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:13 PM, James Hogarth wrote: > > > On 5 September 2017 at 18:26, Laura Abbott wrote: >> >> On 09/05/2017 09:59 AM, James Hogarth wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 5 Sep 2017 5:42 pm, "Laura Abbott" > >

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-05 Thread James Hogarth
On 5 September 2017 at 18:26, Laura Abbott wrote: > On 09/05/2017 09:59 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017 5:42 pm, "Laura Abbott" > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Kernel 4.13 was released this past weekend. This

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-05 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 05.09.2017 18:59, James Hogarth wrote: > On 5 Sep 2017 5:42 pm, "Laura Abbott" > wrote: > > Kernel 4.13 was released this past weekend. This kernel has been > built for rawhide and is building for F27 as well. We will be > following

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-05 Thread Laura Abbott
On 09/05/2017 09:59 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > > > On 5 Sep 2017 5:42 pm, "Laura Abbott" > wrote: > > Hi, > > Kernel 4.13 was released this past weekend. This kernel has been > built for rawhide and is building for F27 as well. We

Re: Kernel 4.13 rebase plans

2017-09-05 Thread James Hogarth
On 5 Sep 2017 5:42 pm, "Laura Abbott" wrote: Hi, Kernel 4.13 was released this past weekend. This kernel has been built for rawhide and is building for F27 as well. We will be following the same upgrade procedure as in the past. F25 and F26 will get rebased to 4.13 after a