On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 01:10:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 11/24/2014 4:50 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 00:34:30 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
Thought I'd post this as a counterpoint to the recent please
break our code
thread.
I would caution against
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 01:10:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
I know it's a tough call. But I do see these sorts of comments
regularly, and it is a fact that there are too many D libraries
gone to seed that won't compile anymore, and that makes us look
bad.
Or this:
Also, because long compile times due to template compilation are
a pain for both Vibe's Diet and Temple, I've put together a repo
demonstrating how to do separate compilation with Temple
templates:
https://github.com/dymk/temple-separate-compilation
The idea is to put views in separate Dub
weaselcat:
I see array.sort is planned for future deprecation, what does
future fall under?
For us that activate warnings in dmd (because for a design
mistake they are disabled on default, but hopefully this will be
fixed in future) in the latest github version of the compiler it
gives a
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:10:25 -0800
Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote:
I know it's a tough call. But I do see these sorts of comments regularly, and
it
is a fact that there are too many D libraries gone to seed that won't compile
anymore,
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:22:51 +
Brian Schott via Digitalmars-d-announce
digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote:
dfix is a tool for automatically upgrading the syntax of D source
code.
Changes since 0.1.1:
* #1 dfix will now rewrite const int foo() {} to int foo()
const {}
* #6
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 19:22:52 UTC, Brian Schott wrote:
dfix is a tool for automatically upgrading the syntax of D
source code.
Changes since 0.1.1:
* #1 dfix will now rewrite const int foo() {} to int foo()
const {}
* #6 The C-style array syntax fix is no longer incorrectly
applied
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 23:45:17 UTC, Nordlöw wrote:
I guess one solution would be to make warnings non-errors right
but that seems dumb concerning what dfix can do for us
regarding auto-converting C-style arrays syntax to D-style :)
BTW: How do I specify that a dependency package
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 23:47:07 UTC, Nordlöw wrote:
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 23:45:17 UTC, Nordlöw wrote:
I guess one solution would be to make warnings non-errors
right but that seems dumb concerning what dfix can do for us
regarding auto-converting C-style arrays syntax to
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 19:22:52 UTC, Brian Schott wrote:
dfix is a tool for automatically upgrading the syntax of D
source code.
Changes since 0.1.1:
* #1 dfix will now rewrite const int foo() {} to int foo()
const {}
* #6 The C-style array syntax fix is no longer incorrectly
applied
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 21:34:19 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 11/24/2014 2:20 AM, Don wrote:
I believe I do understand the problem. As a practical matter,
overflow checks
are not going to be added for performance reasons.
The performance overhead would be practically zero. All we
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 07:39:44 UTC, Don wrote:
No, that is not overflow. That is a carry. Overflow is when the
sign bit changes.
I think this discussion will be less confusing with clearing up
the terminology.
An overflow condition happens when the representation cannot hold
the
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 21:34:19 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
In exchange, 99% of uses of unsigned would disappear from D
code, and with it, a
whole category of bugs.
You're not proposing changing size_t, so I believe this
statement is incorrect.
The idea is to make unsigned types
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 20:56:29 UTC, Rainer Schuetze
wrote:
The different DLLs have different copies of the RTTI for the
classes (you could not link them separately otherwise). Looking
for base classes or derived classes only compares RTTI
pointers, so it doesn't find the target class
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 00:37:00 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Anyone know anything about this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2n9gfb/d_is_for_data_science/cmbssac
You mean the second part, about him leaving D because of the
discussion about the logger?
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 15:56:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 11/24/14 4:54 AM, Don wrote:
In D, 1u - 2u 0u. This is defined behaviour, not an
overflow.
I think I get what you mean, but overflow is also defined
behavior (in D at least). -- Andrei
Aargh! You're right. That's
Don:
Aargh! You're right. That's new, and dreadful. It didn't used
to be.
The offending commit is
alexrp 2012-05-15 15:37:24
which only provides an unsigned example.
Why are defining behaviour that is always a bug? Java makes it
defined, but it has to because it doesn't have
I've tested some ideas with Volatile!T but there's always one remaining
problem:
In C people often define a macro to describe a MMIO location:
#define PORTB *((ubyte*)0x05)
which can then be used like this:
PORTB |= 0b1000_;
It's not really possible to represent this in D. There are
Johannes Pfau wrote in message news:m51upj$u2v$1...@digitalmars.com...
But does this really make sense? What makes a variable a variable? For
example the GCC backends has builtin support for extern, static, const,
manifest variables, but no way to specify an address for an extern
variable. Is
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 11:43:01 UTC, Don wrote:
Why are defining behaviour that is always a bug? Java makes it
defined, but it has to because it doesn't have unsigned types.
I think the intention probably was to improve on the C
situation, where there is undefined behaviour that really
Am Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:28:52 +1100
schrieb Daniel Murphy yebbliesnos...@gmail.com:
Johannes Pfau wrote in message news:m51upj$u2v$1...@digitalmars.com...
But does this really make sense? What makes a variable a variable?
For example the GCC backends has builtin support for extern,
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 01:12:03 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 11/24/2014 4:51 PM, Brian Schott wrote:
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 00:37:00 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
Anyone know anything about this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2n9gfb/d_is_for_data_science/cmbssac
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 13:52:32 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
Overflow checking doesn't contradict to overflow being defined.
The latter simply reflects how hardware works, nothing else.
And hardware works that way, because that's a fast
implementation of arithmetic for general case.
So you
Johannes Pfau wrote in message news:m522gv$1rav$1...@digitalmars.com...
Good idea, this works and results in equal ASM. A minor drawback is
that this emits an additional function (even with always inline), but
that's a problem that also occurs in other contexts and I've got a
workaround for
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 14:29:12 UTC, ponce wrote:
Better XML parsers/JSON parsers/serialization/argument parsers
exist outside of Phobos currently, and in my opinion maybe they
didn't belong there in the first place.
Yes, it is often a good idea to standardize after solutions have
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 14:30:36 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
So you are basically saying that D does not provide modular
arithmetic, but allows you to continue with the incorrect
result of an overflow as a modulo representation?
Correctness is an emergent property - when behavior
Am Wed, 26 Nov 2014 01:44:02 +1100
schrieb Daniel Murphy yebbliesnos...@gmail.com:
Johannes Pfau wrote in message
news:m522gv$1rav$1...@digitalmars.com...
Good idea, this works and results in equal ASM. A minor drawback is
that this emits an additional function (even with always inline),
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 15:42:13 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
Correctness is an emergent property - when behavior matches
expectation, so overflow has variable correctness in various
parts of the code.
I assume you are basically saying that Walter's view that
matching C++ is more important
Am Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:28:52 +1100
schrieb Daniel Murphy yebbliesnos...@gmail.com:
Johannes Pfau wrote in message news:m51upj$u2v$1...@digitalmars.com...
But does this really make sense? What makes a variable a variable?
For example the GCC backends has builtin support for extern,
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 10:02:00 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 20:56:29 UTC, Rainer Schuetze
wrote:
The different DLLs have different copies of the RTTI for the
classes (you could not link them separately otherwise).
Looking for base classes or derived classes only
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 15:52:22 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
I assume you are basically saying that Walter's view that
matching C++ is more important than getting it right, because
some people might expect C++ behaviour. Yet Ada chose a
different path and is considered a better
Am 24.11.2014 19:20, schrieb MrSmith:
I've got little test here
https://gist.github.com/MrSmith33/8750dd43c0843d45ccf8#file-sharedmodule2-d-L17-L29.
I have one application and two dlls. Application loads both dlls, calls
their factory functions and then passes each IModule instance that it
got
Johannes Pfau wrote in message news:m52aq3$dla$1...@digitalmars.com...
Is taking addresses on properties still undefined? Or how exactly is it
defined? Anyway, PORTB returns the address of the PORTB function
which is a small annoyance.
Urrgh I forgot about that. Hopefully @property will be
Johannes Pfau wrote in message news:m5288s$l8$1...@digitalmars.com...
No, unfortunately not. The module where the template is instantiated
needs to be the 'main' module. Or rather toObjfile must have been
called on the function for backend inlining. Unfortunately this seems
to be a complicated
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 18:39:56 UTC, Benjamin Thaut
wrote:
Am 24.11.2014 19:20, schrieb MrSmith:
I've got little test here
https://gist.github.com/MrSmith33/8750dd43c0843d45ccf8#file-sharedmodule2-d-L17-L29.
I have one application and two dlls. Application loads both
dlls, calls
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:36:02 +0100
Artur Skawina via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote:
You can just use a struct and D's phenomenal compile time
programming possibilities. ;)
heh. thank you, with `alias` and function instead of struct my
compile-time formatted writter now works
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 18:24:29 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
C++ legacy is huge especially in culture. That said, the true
issue is in beliefs (which probably stem from 16-bit era).
Can't judge Ada, have no experience with it, though examples of
Java and .net show how marginal is importance of
On 11/25/2014 2:26 AM, Robert burner Schadek wrote:
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 00:37:00 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Anyone know anything about this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2n9gfb/d_is_for_data_science/cmbssac
You mean the second part, about him leaving D because of
On Sun, 2014-11-23 at 13:09 -0800, Ziad Hatahet via Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote:
I have emailed the author.
Keep us posted!
The author is currently having a vacation. He has though sent me
Am 25.11.2014 21:46, schrieb MrSmith:
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 18:39:56 UTC, Benjamin Thaut wrote:
Am 24.11.2014 19:20, schrieb MrSmith:
I've got little test here
https://gist.github.com/MrSmith33/8750dd43c0843d45ccf8#file-sharedmodule2-d-L17-L29.
I have one application and two dlls.
Am 25.11.2014 21:46, schrieb MrSmith:
Is there a bugzilla issue for this? And what is the status of windows dlls?
If you want a bit more dll support right now, I suggest that you take a
look at these changes and merge them into your own version of druntime:
On 11/25/2014 9:26 AM, torea wrote:
Oh.. I didn't know about the DerelictSDL2Mixer.load()!
I thought the initialization of sdl_mixer was done with DerelictSDL2.load()
Every time you call DerelictFoo.load, you are loading exactly one
library. You will never see a Derelict package that loads
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 22:50:33 UTC, bearophile wrote:
In some D programs I'm using this coding pattern:
You can see an example of this pattern that I've used here:
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Solve_a_Hopido_puzzle#D
Bye,
bearophile
Awesome gist and great pattern ! Sometimes your
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 22:50:33 UTC, bearophile wrote:
And the @disable this() assures that a struct is correctly
initialized by the constructor.
In the statement: @disable this()
May I understand that you're disabling the default
constructor of the struct to use your own constructor?
MattCoder:
May I understand that you're disabling the default
constructor of the struct to use your own constructor?
Right. So the instance data of the struct is more likely correct
when you call its methods.
Bye,
bearophile
Is there a way to (on the fly) reduce Pegged parse results such as
C [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.TranslationUnit [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.ExternalDeclaration [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.Declaration [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.DeclarationSpecifiers [0, 4][int]
| +-C.TypeSpecifier [0,
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 15:12:39 UTC, Nordlöw wrote:
I guess it would reduce memory requirements by about a
magnitude right?
Correction: For consistency we probably want this example to be
reduced to
+-C.Declaration [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.TypeSpecifier [0, 4][int]
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 15:15:40 UTC, Nordlöw wrote:
+-C.Declaration [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.TypeSpecifier [0, 4][int]
+-C.Identifier [4, 5][x]
Correction again:
+-C.Declaration [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.TypeSpecifier [0, 4][int]
+-C.Identifier [4, 5][x]
That's a neat trick, although if preconditions were able to be
run at compile time when possible you wouldn't have to resort to
using enum to force CTFE (you've talked a bit about this before I
remember). Thinking about something like a good ranged number
implementation, we can now get almost
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 13:56:23 UTC, bearophile wrote:
Right. So the instance data of the struct is more likely
correct when you call its methods.
Thanks. - Well I'd like to see more of these tips. My current
code in D looks like C++ and of course I sure that I'm not
extracting the
On Sunday, 23 November 2014 at 00:37:07 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
On 11/23/2014 3:52 AM, Paul wrote:
Whenever I try to learn a new language I always seem to end up
fighting
the OS or the IDE rather than spending time where I should.
Therefore,
I'm going to put this idea on hold and stick to
void main() {
// Created at compile-time.
enum something = .Foo;
I don't think we should encourage UFCS with typenames or
uppercase names. If anything, it does not provide any benefit in
this case and Foo(.) is much more clearer without any
syntactical overhead.
On 11/25/2014 01:51 AM, matovitch wrote:
On Monday, 24 November 2014 at 22:50:33 UTC, bearophile wrote:
Sometimes your forum post doesn't get
any answers but you can be sure I read and enjoy them all (and I'm sure
I am not alone). Keep it up ! :)
Same here! Thank you, bearophile! :)
An
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 21:22:24 UTC, Vlad Levenfeld
wrote:
On Windows 7 I have built dmd (using the vcxproj), druntime
(win64.mak) and phobos (win64.mak).
I went into sc.ini and set the LINKCMD to point to Visual
Studio 12.0's linker.
When I try to compile anything with dmd, I get
On 2014-11-25 10:12, Nordlöw wrote:
Is there a way to (on the fly) reduce Pegged parse results such as
I've made an asn.1 parser using pegged tree map, it's not so complex and
does the reducing as well.
https://github.com/globecsys/asn1.d
Most of the meat is in asn1/generator/
In short,
On 11/26/2014 4:42 AM, torea wrote:
ok, so basically, each time I want to access some specific functions
imported like:
import derelict.sdl2.foo;
I have to load it like this?
DerelictSDL2foo.load();
Don't think of it that way. Think of it this way: you have to load every
library you
On 11/26/2014 3:27 AM, Paul wrote:
I've finally got this working - the SDL FAQ page sort of identifies the
cause; the xorg dev files have to be installed before building SDL
otherwise you end up with a 'non-x' version (not sure what you'd do with
that!). I built SDL first and then tried
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 23:08:07 UTC, Vlad Levenfeld
wrote:
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 21:22:24 UTC, Vlad Levenfeld
wrote:
On Windows 7 I have built dmd (using the vcxproj), druntime
(win64.mak) and phobos (win64.mak).
I went into sc.ini and set the LINKCMD to point to Visual
On Wednesday, 26 November 2014 at 01:25:51 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
Don't think of it that way. Think of it this way: you have to
load every library you want to use. SDL2_mixer is a library,
SDL2_image is a library, SDL2_ttf is a library, and so on. You
have to load them individually.
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On Wednesday, 26 November 2014 at 01:35:20 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 23:08:07 UTC, Vlad Levenfeld
wrote:
On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 at 21:22:24 UTC, Vlad Levenfeld
wrote:
On Windows 7 I have built dmd (using the vcxproj), druntime
(win64.mak) and phobos (win64.mak).
I ran into this a while ago and have already moved on, but I had
a class such as this
Class MyClass{
this(){}
void someFunction(){
//body
}
}
And in my app I had something like
MyClass classObject;
classObject.someFunction();
When I compile, no warnings or
On Wednesday, 26 November 2014 at 05:24:49 UTC, Bear Cherian
wrote:
I ran into this a while ago and have already moved on, but I
had a class such as this
Class MyClass{
this(){}
void someFunction(){
//body
}
}
And in my app I had something like
MyClass classObject;
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nordlöw
digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com wrote:
Is there a way to (on the fly) reduce Pegged parse results such as
C [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.TranslationUnit [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.ExternalDeclaration [0, 6][int, x, ;]
+-C.Declaration [0, 6][int, x,
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13773
Martin Nowak c...@dawg.eu changed:
What|Removed |Added
Priority|P1 |P2
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13773
Issue ID: 13773
Summary: std.traits.ReturnType does not resolve inout
Product: D
Version: D2
Hardware: x86_64
OS: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: enhancement
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13773
--- Comment #1 from Kenji Hara k.hara...@gmail.com ---
I think this should be marked as invalid or changed as a compiler enhancement,
because:
1. ReturnType takes an alias (through the index 0 of the TupleParameter).
2. Currently alias parameter
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13759
--- Comment #4 from Sobirari Muhomori dfj1es...@sneakemail.com ---
On my installation of VS2010 vcvars64.bat adds Common7\IDE to path, but
VC\BIN\amd64 comes first, so 64-bit mspdb100.dll is picked from there.
--
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13755
--- Comment #6 from Danny Milosavljevic danny.m...@gmail.com ---
Pull request https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/1045
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https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13754
--- Comment #1 from Danny Milosavljevic danny.m...@gmail.com ---
I'm trying to implement that right now.
Is there are way not to repeat the .ioctl signature in the (potential) member
function MmFile.ioctl ?
Like ioctl = .ioctl fileno; ?
Also,
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13764
Danny Milosavljevic danny.m...@gmail.com changed:
What|Removed |Added
Status|NEW |RESOLVED
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13774
Issue ID: 13774
Summary: Multiple definition of `conv_50c_dc8` with three
libraries and `std.file` import
Product: D
Version: D2
Hardware: All
OS: All
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13359
--- Comment #1 from Denis Shelomovskij verylonglogin@gmail.com ---
So now probably because of this issue we have Issue 13774 which makes current
Phobos almost unusable.
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https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13774
Denis Shelomovskij verylonglogin@gmail.com changed:
What|Removed |Added
Keywords|
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13775
Issue ID: 13775
Summary: Broken explicit casting of dynamic array slices of
known size to static array of different type
Product: D
Version: D2
Hardware: All
OS:
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13764
hst...@quickfur.ath.cx changed:
What|Removed |Added
Severity|trivial |enhancement
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https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13764
hst...@quickfur.ath.cx changed:
What|Removed |Added
Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
Resolution|FIXED
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13775
hst...@quickfur.ath.cx changed:
What|Removed |Added
CC||hst...@quickfur.ath.cx
--- Comment
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13776
Issue ID: 13776
Summary: Incorrect recursive alias declaration error with
`__traits(compiles, ...)`
Product: D
Version: D2
Hardware: All
OS: All
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13763
hst...@quickfur.ath.cx changed:
What|Removed |Added
CC||hst...@quickfur.ath.cx
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--- Comment #4 from Danny Milosavljevic danny.m...@gmail.com ---
Also, both the OSX and the Posix version of browse in the same file are broken
in the same way...
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hst...@quickfur.ath.cx changed:
What|Removed |Added
CC|hst...@quickfur.ath.cx |
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hst...@quickfur.ath.cx changed:
What|Removed |Added
Keywords||pull
--- Comment #1 from
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2525
--- Comment #8 from Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com ---
Shame on you, Andrej Mitrovic!
I totally support this now, perhaps not so much 'override' as wanting a new
'implements' keyword. But the distinction is so pale, and the real benefit
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