Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Thursday, 1 September 2016 at 17:10:00 UTC, Seb wrote: FYI: There's some discussion about it's benefit in comparison to functional language D does have loops and it's a lot easier to write and read them. Some are of that opinion. However, this is D, not Python or Go, so claims about the

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Thursday, 1 September 2016 at 12:04:51 UTC, qznc wrote: On Thursday, 1 September 2016 at 08:04:00 UTC, Bienlein wrote: D has a lot to offer with regard to functional programming. It has pure functions and true immutable classes (true = also sub objects become immutable), which Scala all

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Thursday, 1 September 2016 at 08:04:00 UTC, Bienlein wrote: D has a lot to offer with regard to functional programming. It has pure functions and true immutable classes (true = also sub objects become immutable), which Scala all doesn't have (because of restrictions of the JVM). Does D have

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Friday, 19 August 2016 at 15:01:58 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: Am Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:36:05 + schrieb Adam D. Ruppe : On Friday, 19 August 2016 at 08:31:39 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: > If we hypothetically switched to a ubyte+ubyte=ubyte > semantic, then code like

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 18:36:19 UTC, CRAIG DILLABAUGH wrote: I am going to vote with Adam here. If memory serves me correctly what initially drew me in to the D language was a statement on the main page that "D is not a religion". I think at the time I had been doing some work with

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/31/2016 2:17 AM, Seb wrote: Done (FYI the translations aren't officially published yet) ;-) Danke schoen!

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 18:22:59 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/30/2016 3:42 AM, Chris wrote: [...] I agree it's time to remove comparisons with C++, although there is room for a "D for C++ Programmers" section and, of course, "Interfacing D to C++". I think this will do D good in

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 at 04:03:32 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/30/2016 6:30 PM, ZombineDev wrote: Your change just went live http://tour.dlang.org ;) Thanks! Note that the other languages need updating, too. Done (FYI the translations aren't officially published yet) ;-)

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/30/2016 6:30 PM, ZombineDev wrote: Your change just went live http://tour.dlang.org ;) Thanks! Note that the other languages need updating, too.

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 at 01:12:10 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/30/2016 2:41 PM, mate wrote: [...] Thanks for your help! https://github.com/dlang-tour/english/pull/91 Your change just went live http://tour.dlang.org ;)

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/30/2016 2:41 PM, mate wrote: On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 20:25:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/30/2016 12:56 AM, Markus wrote: The tour https://tour.dlang.org/ is nearly empty, but on the first page it states that D is an "evolution of C++ (without the mistakes)" (the real content is

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/30/2016 2:41 PM, mate wrote: On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 20:25:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/30/2016 12:56 AM, Markus wrote: The tour https://tour.dlang.org/ is nearly empty, but on the first page it states that D is an "evolution of C++ (without the mistakes)" (the real content is

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 20:25:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/30/2016 12:56 AM, Markus wrote: The tour https://tour.dlang.org/ is nearly empty, but on the first page it states that D is an "evolution of C++ (without the mistakes)" (the real content is hidden in the menu-sections). I

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/30/2016 12:56 AM, Markus wrote: The tour https://tour.dlang.org/ is nearly empty, but on the first page it states that D is an "evolution of C++ (without the mistakes)" (the real content is hidden in the menu-sections). I was going to fix that, but can't find where it is on github. The

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/30/2016 11:22 AM, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/30/2016 3:42 AM, Chris wrote: [...] I agree it's time to remove comparisons with C++, although there is room for a "D for C++ Programmers" section and, of course, "Interfacing D to C++". https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/1459

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 14:19:02 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 14:11:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sadly if this doesn't float your boat you're unlikely to enjoy most of what D has to offer. -- Andrei This might be the most wrong statement you have ever

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/30/2016 3:42 AM, Chris wrote: [...] I agree it's time to remove comparisons with C++, although there is room for a "D for C++ Programmers" section and, of course, "Interfacing D to C++".

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/30/2016 10:19 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 14:11:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sadly if this doesn't float your boat you're unlikely to enjoy most of what D has to offer. -- Andrei This might be the most wrong statement you have ever said on this forum.

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 14:11:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 08/30/2016 06:50 AM, John Burrton wrote: This is why the example on the front page put me off for a long time :- stdin .byLineCopy .array .sort!((a, b) => a > b) // descending order

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 14:11:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 08/30/2016 06:50 AM, John Burrton wrote: This is why the example on the front page put me off for a long time :- stdin .byLineCopy .array .sort!((a, b) => a > b) // descending order

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/30/2016 03:56 AM, Markus wrote: On Monday, 29 August 2016 at 14:31:50 UTC, eugene wrote: On Monday, 29 August 2016 at 12:11:34 UTC, Markus wrote: Take a look on this discussion thread and you know WHY D IS NOT SO POPULAR. The community discusses technical details and compares D to C++,

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 14:11:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sadly if this doesn't float your boat you're unlikely to enjoy most of what D has to offer. -- Andrei This might be the most wrong statement you have ever said on this forum. D's biggest appeal to me is that it *doesn't*

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/30/2016 10:04 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: C style example functional style example That doesn't sounds like a good idea. -- Andrei

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/30/2016 06:50 AM, John Burrton wrote: This is why the example on the front page put me off for a long time :- stdin .byLineCopy .array .sort!((a, b) => a > b) // descending order .each!writeln; Sadly if this doesn't float your boat you're unlikely to

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/30/2016 01:50 PM, John Burrton wrote: > This is why the example on the front page put me off for a long time :- > > stdin > .byLineCopy > .array > .sort!((a, b) => a > b) // descending order > .each!writeln; > > It makes the language look like some weird

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 13:42:21 UTC, eugene wrote: i think it will lead to something like: "Why do they have different examples for the same thing?" D is multi paradigm: C style example functional style example With D, your existing expertise carries over from C while opening

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 13:34:05 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 11:29:45 UTC, John Burton wrote: As I said not really a complaint ... But it d make me think d was too high level a language with too much 'magic' . Other people will have different opinions

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 13:34:05 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 11:29:45 UTC, John Burton wrote: As I said not really a complaint ... But it d make me think d was too high level a language with too much 'magic' . Other people will have different opinions

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 11:29:45 UTC, John Burton wrote: As I said not really a complaint ... But it d make me think d was too high level a language with too much 'magic' . Other people will have different opinions Indeed, I'm not a fan of that example either... but we could turn this

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 11:17:33 UTC, Chris wrote: On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 10:50:17 UTC, John Burrton wrote: This is why the example on the front page put me off for a long time :- stdin .byLineCopy .array .sort!((a, b) => a > b) // descending order

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 10:50:17 UTC, John Burrton wrote: This is why the example on the front page put me off for a long time :- stdin .byLineCopy .array .sort!((a, b) => a > b) // descending order .each!writeln; It makes the language look like

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 10:50:17 UTC, John Burton wrote: I'm willing to admit I might be the only one :P But I'd much rather see the "better C" side as my first view of typical D code than this. And I want to be clear... None of this is a complaint. I just wanted to post what

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 08:34:23 UTC, eugene wrote: On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 08:00:35 UTC, Markus wrote: D has its roots in C++ (and C) but is full fledged now and should represent its features and strength WITHOUT continuously referencing C++ and without this repetitive "without

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 07:56:06 UTC, Markus wrote: Most of the (very good) articles in https://dlang.org/articles.html compare D-features with C++. If I want to learn how D templates work, I do not need to know what is bad in C++-Templates. True. Any C++ programmer interested in

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 08:00:35 UTC, Markus wrote: D has its roots in C++ (and C) but is full fledged now and should represent its features and strength WITHOUT continuously referencing C++ and without this repetitive "without mistakes". ... From my point of view this is misleading for

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 at 07:56:06 UTC, Markus wrote: On Monday, 29 August 2016 at 14:31:50 UTC, eugene wrote: On Monday, 29 August 2016 at 12:11:34 UTC, Markus wrote: [...] Hello, the url https://dlang.org/overview.html states that "It's a practical language for practical

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Monday, 29 August 2016 at 14:31:50 UTC, eugene wrote: On Monday, 29 August 2016 at 12:11:34 UTC, Markus wrote: Take a look on this discussion thread and you know WHY D IS NOT SO POPULAR. The community discusses technical details and compares D to C++, but there is no clear mission

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Monday, 29 August 2016 at 12:11:34 UTC, Markus wrote: Take a look on this discussion thread and you know WHY D IS NOT SO POPULAR. The community discusses technical details and compares D to C++, but there is no clear mission statement, there is no vision statement... Hello, the url

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

Take a look on this discussion thread and you know WHY D IS NOT SO POPULAR. The community discusses technical details and compares D to C++, but there is no clear mission statement, there is no vision statement and no marketing. Often you merchandise D as a "system programming language",

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 21/08/16 19:31, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 08/20/2016 11:25 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 20/08/16 00:51, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/18/2016 7:59 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Alas, C insisted on making everything int all the time and D followed that :( Actually, Adam's suggestion on how

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 16:31:41 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Consider: void fun(byte); void fun(int); fun(b + c); Does anybody actually do that in the real world? Given the int promotion rule, such an overload is something i'd flag as always bug prone and confusing anyway. With

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Monday, 22 August 2016 at 05:54:17 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 21/08/16 12:47, ag0aep6g wrote: Consider `ubyte(255) * ubyte(2) / ubyte(2)`. If the operands are promoted to a larger type, you get 255 as the result. If they are not, you have the equivalent of `ubyte x = 255; x *= 2; x /=

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Monday, 22 August 2016 at 07:05:01 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 22/08/16 09:31, Vadim Lopatin wrote: On Friday, 12 August 2016 at 19:29:42 UTC, Shachar Shemesh - No RAII support, despite the fact everybody here seems to think that D supports RAII. Shachar There IS RAII in D. I'm using

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 23:07:43 UTC, Solomon E wrote: The D spec is full of errors, literally, or teasers sometimes. Erroneous code should be omitted from a spec, or at least clearly marked such as by a red background. I'd like to respond critically to my own silly comment.

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 22/08/16 09:31, Vadim Lopatin wrote: On Friday, 12 August 2016 at 19:29:42 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I'll give some highlights, but those are, mostly, things that I've already listed in this forum and in my lightening talk. - No RAII support, despite the fact everybody here seems to think

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Friday, 12 August 2016 at 19:29:42 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I'll give some highlights, but those are, mostly, things that I've already listed in this forum and in my lightening talk. - No RAII support, despite the fact everybody here seems to think that D supports RAII. Shachar There

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 21/08/16 12:47, ag0aep6g wrote: On 08/21/2016 07:12 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: During static analysis, keep both the "most expanded" and the "least expanded" type of the expression parsed so far. "Least expanded" is the largest type actually used in the expression. What's "most expanded"?

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 17:26:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/21/2016 2:47 AM, ag0aep6g wrote: Upon use of the value, resolve which type to actually use for it. If the use type requests a type between least and most, use that type for evaluating the entire expression. If the use

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 21:31:07 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote: On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 12:51:16 UTC, Lodovico Giaretta wrote: Your offensive tone, your attitude to pointing at a single person as the source of the problems, My friend (or foe), please don't get it twisted. If D had been

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 12:51:16 UTC, Lodovico Giaretta wrote: Your offensive tone, your attitude to pointing at a single person as the source of the problems, My friend (or foe), please don't get it twisted. If D had been a huge success, it's Andrei and Walter who were going to

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/21/2016 2:47 AM, ag0aep6g wrote: Upon use of the value, resolve which type to actually use for it. If the use type requests a type between least and most, use that type for evaluating the entire expression. If the use requests a type outside that range, use the one closest (and, if the use

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 15:05:11 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 12:51:16 UTC, Lodovico Giaretta wrote: Your offensive tone, your attitude to pointing at a single person as the source of the problems, your improper use of low-level stereotypes and non-technical

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/21/2016 01:12 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I'll suggest an algorithmic definition of (my interpretation of) Adam's proposal: During static analysis, keep both the "most expanded" and the "least expanded" type of the expression parsed so far. "Least expanded" is the largest type actually

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/20/2016 11:25 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 20/08/16 00:51, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/18/2016 7:59 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Alas, C insisted on making everything int all the time and D followed that :( Actually, Adam's suggestion on how things should work is precisely how C works

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 12:51:16 UTC, Lodovico Giaretta wrote: Your offensive tone, your attitude to pointing at a single person as the source of the problems, your improper use of low-level stereotypes and non-technical pointless argumentation are definitely out of place. He's a

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 21 August 2016 at 12:37:35 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote: [...] Your offensive tone, your attitude to pointing at a single person as the source of the problems, your improper use of low-level stereotypes and non-technical pointless argumentation are definitely out of place. That's a

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Saturday, 20 August 2016 at 09:03:50 UTC, Lodovico Giaretta wrote: At this point I'd like to know which non-tumoral language we should all be using... (I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm truly interested in knowing what's his ideal language). D++, haha, just kidding. If you

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/21/2016 07:12 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: During static analysis, keep both the "most expanded" and the "least expanded" type of the expression parsed so far. "Least expanded" is the largest type actually used in the expression. What's "most expanded"? Upon use of the value, resolve

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Friday, 19 August 2016 at 02:59:40 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Thursday, 18 August 2016 at 22:50:27 UTC, John Smith wrote: Garbage collector is in a few libraries as well. I think the only problem I had with that is that the std.range library has severely reduced functionality when using

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 20/08/16 21:00, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/20/2016 8:25 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Actually, Adam's suggestion on how things should work is precisely how C works No, it's subtly different. Which is my point that one must be very, very careful when proposing different behavior. Can you

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/20/2016 8:25 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Actually, Adam's suggestion on how things should work is precisely how C works No, it's subtly different. Which is my point that one must be very, very careful when proposing different behavior.

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 20/08/16 00:51, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/18/2016 7:59 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Alas, C insisted on making everything int all the time and D followed that :( Actually, Adam's suggestion on how things should work is precisely how C works (except it trails off at int). a = b + c; if b

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 19 August 2016 at 00:50, John Smith via Digitalmars-d wrote: > Well there are some things I feel could be improved, a lot of the things are > really just minor but what is a deal breaker for me mostly is the compilers. > The GCC and Clang implementations are really

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Saturday, 20 August 2016 at 08:57:48 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote: On Saturday, 20 August 2016 at 06:11:54 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: And yet it is steadily growing. A brain tumor grows too, until it kills. We might have lost the battles with programming languages such as JavaScript, C++,

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Saturday, 20 August 2016 at 06:11:54 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: And yet it is steadily growing. A brain tumor grows too, until it kills. We might have lost the battles with programming languages such as JavaScript, C++, etc, but we still have a fighting chance against D, and we must

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Saturday, 20 August 2016 at 06:08:21 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote: F*CK, here we go again. Why do you spend your precious time posting these messages? Are you real Batman?

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 20/08/2016 6:08 PM, Bill Hicks wrote: On Monday, 1 August 2016 at 15:31:35 UTC, Emre Temelkuran wrote: For years, i was travelling along Golang, Rust, Perl, Ruby, Python, PHP, JScript, JVM Languages. Lastly Crystal Lang and Nimrod, Julia, Haskell, Swift and many more that i can't remember.

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Monday, 1 August 2016 at 15:31:35 UTC, Emre Temelkuran wrote: For years, i was travelling along Golang, Rust, Perl, Ruby, Python, PHP, JScript, JVM Languages. Lastly Crystal Lang and Nimrod, Julia, Haskell, Swift and many more that i can't remember. I'm 24 years old, my first lang was PHP

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Saturday, 20 August 2016 at 00:19:30 UTC, Daniel wrote: On Monday, 1 August 2016 at 15:31:35 UTC, Emre Temelkuran wrote: Hope this helps, Daniel BTW, I'm not the guy in that Gravatar image... ;-) Daniel

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Monday, 1 August 2016 at 15:31:35 UTC, Emre Temelkuran wrote: I always ignored D, i prejudiced that D failed, because nobody were talking about it. I decided to check it yesterday, it has excellent documentation, i almost covered all aspects. I think D is much better than the most of the

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/19/2016 8:19 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: You're working with float anyway, so I believe the price is paid even by today's C rules. Nope, the operands of integral sub-expressions are not promoted to float. The intermediates might be different though, I'm not sure.

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/18/2016 7:59 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Alas, C insisted on making everything int all the time and D followed that :( One would have to be *really* sure of their ground in coming up with allegedly better rules.

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Friday, 19 August 2016 at 15:01:58 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: Float math is slow compared to integer math and precision loss occurs when this rule is also applied to (u)int and (u)long with only the deprecated (as per amd64 spec) real type being large enough for 64-bit integers. You're working

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

Am Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:36:05 + schrieb Adam D. Ruppe : > On Friday, 19 August 2016 at 08:31:39 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: > > If we hypothetically switched to a ubyte+ubyte=ubyte semantic, > > then code like this breaks silently: > > However, if it took the entire

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Friday, 19 August 2016 at 08:31:39 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: If we hypothetically switched to a ubyte+ubyte=ubyte semantic, then code like this breaks silently: However, if it took the entire statement into account, it could handle that... by my rule, it would see there's a float in there

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

Am Mon, 15 Aug 2016 10:54:11 -0700 schrieb Ali Çehreli : > On 08/14/2016 07:07 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > > On 08/14/2016 01:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > >> Also, part of our > >> problems with this is that introspection also does not see refs, which > >>

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

Am Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:50:27 + schrieb John Smith : > Well you could say the same for the same for int. Why isn't "int > + int = long"? Right now it is following the rule "int + int = > int". I believe in C, int reflects the native machine word that the CPU always uses

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Thursday, 18 August 2016 at 22:50:27 UTC, John Smith wrote: Garbage collector is in a few libraries as well. I think the only problem I had with that is that the std.range library has severely reduced functionality when using static arrays. std.range is one of the libraries that has never

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/19/2016 12:50 AM, John Smith wrote: Well there are some things I feel could be improved, a lot of the things are really just minor but what is a deal breaker for me mostly is the compilers. The GCC and Clang implementations are really far behind in terms of the version, so they are missing

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

Hei John, I read over the first part of your message and it seems that same information you got is quite outdated: On Thursday, 18 August 2016 at 22:50:27 UTC, John Smith wrote: Well there are some things I feel could be improved, a lot of the things are really just minor but what is a deal

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

Well there are some things I feel could be improved, a lot of the things are really just minor but what is a deal breaker for me mostly is the compilers. The GCC and Clang implementations are really far behind in terms of the version, so they are missing a lot of features. A lot of the

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/14/2016 07:07 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > On 08/14/2016 01:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: >> Also, part of our >> problems with this is that introspection also does not see refs, which >> causes the following two functions to report the same signature: >> >> void func1(int arg); >>

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Monday, 15 August 2016 at 13:10:01 UTC, Emre Temelkuran wrote: It's easy to understand conservative programmers, you can even use C++ for web programming but it's waste of time and it won't give you the performance of Dropoid toolkit for Java. Also it's reliability is depends on your

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

It's easy to understand conservative programmers, you can even use C++ for web programming but it's waste of time and it won't give you the performance of Dropoid toolkit for Java. Also it's reliability is depends on your skills. Everyone leaving lower level languages other than the internet

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 14 August 2016 at 18:03:24 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I must confess that I have never heard of this rule in C before encountering it in D. Which rule? The rule that says "ubyte + ubyte = uint".

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 14/08/16 21:35, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I should add that as long as the .di does not import the .d, the slowdown due to the computed table will not occur. So the worry is not warranted. I'm not sure the above is true in cases of imports that are not circular for the optimal dis, but

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Friday, 12 August 2016 at 18:04:53 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 08/12/2016 01:21 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 8/12/16 1:04 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: Honestly, I don't think that shared is broken. Yes. It is broken. shared int x; ++x; // error, must use

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/14/16 11:40 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Sunday, August 14, 2016 14:35:49 Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: On 8/14/16 2:03 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 14/08/16 17:07, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 08/14/2016 01:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I must

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 14:35:49 Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 8/14/16 2:03 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > On 14/08/16 17:07, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > >> On 08/14/2016 01:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > >>> I must confess that I have never heard of this rule in C before

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Monday, 1 August 2016 at 15:31:35 UTC, Emre Temelkuran wrote: For years, i was travelling along Golang, Rust, Perl, Ruby, Python, PHP, JScript, JVM Languages. Lastly Crystal Lang and Nimrod, Julia, Haskell, Swift and many more that i can't remember. I'm 24 years old, my first lang was PHP

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/14/2016 11:03 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Which rule? The rule that says "ubyte + ubyte = uint". Many people are surprised by this rule, but it is deeply embedded in C and C++. In C99, --- 6.3.1.8 Usual Arithmetic Conversions Then the following rules are

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/14/16 2:03 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 14/08/16 17:07, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 08/14/2016 01:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: So that is slide 4. Could you please give a bit of detail? http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/What_is_going_on_here_257862.html OK. One

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 14/08/16 17:07, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > On 08/14/2016 01:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: >>> So that is slide 4. Could you please give a bit of detail? >> >> http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/What_is_going_on_here_257862.html >> > > OK. One thing we can't stress enough is

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:18:08 +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > The first is that you can rarely put "const" on anything, meaning you > lose the power that C++'s guarantee gave you, and not gain enough in > return. I can often put const on things. However, it's an added step, the compiler doesn't

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/14/2016 01:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 14/08/16 03:26, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 08/13/2016 05:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: I'm also tempted to argue that making shared virtually unusable without casting it away would be a good idea It's a bad idea, no two

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 14/08/16 03:26, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 08/13/2016 05:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: I'm also tempted to argue that making shared virtually unusable without casting it away would be a good idea It's a bad idea, no two ways about it. The bummer here is that this is

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Sunday, 14 August 2016 at 00:26:31 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 08/13/2016 05:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: I'm also tempted to argue that making shared virtually unusable without casting it away would be a good idea It's a bad idea, no two ways about it. The

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 08/13/2016 05:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: I'm also tempted to argue that making shared virtually unusable without casting it away would be a good idea It's a bad idea, no two ways about it. The bummer here is that this is the only topic (and one where D gets it right)

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On 8/13/2016 2:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: I'm also tempted to argue that making shared virtually unusable without casting it away would be a good idea - particularly when you consider that most code that uses shared is going to need to cast it away to do anything with it

Re: Why D is not popular enough?

On Saturday, August 13, 2016 16:45:16 Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d wrote: > Hey, that's fine. I'd rather work on other things too. Shared just seems > like an unfulfilled promise, with half-implemented protections. > > I'd like to just see shared be unusable, and make people cast away >

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