Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 05:41:02 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: I regret some of things I said. I'm sorry for any offence caused, specifically towards members of the DLF. I don't think you need to regret saying anything. You've demonstrated a willingness to engage in a conversation that we

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 04:06:13 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: On 03/10/2018 05:47 AM, Dylan Graham wrote: On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:05:49 UTC, rumbu wrote: According to the State of D Survey, 71% of the respondents don't care about betterC. Why is betterC on the priority

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

IMO this should be the priority: 1. blockers (things that can't be worked around at all or not without jumping through a lot of hoops) 2. everything else dmd still doesn't support shared libraries on OSX (cf https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12190) That prevents a whole category of use

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On 03/10/2018 05:47 AM, Dylan Graham wrote: On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:05:49 UTC, rumbu wrote: According to the State of D Survey, 71% of the respondents don't care about betterC. Why is betterC on the priority list? Yeah. Why should D worry about tying itself into C when it can't

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 02:02:15 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:58:50 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: i.e. How can the D Foundation encourage new additional resoures to focus on things that also matter to the community. and btw. the mention about strengthing

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:58:50 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: i.e. How can the D Foundation encourage new additional resoures to focus on things that also matter to the community. and btw. the mention about strengthing the use of DIPS, does just that. there are many improvement to

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:53:30 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: That sentence was to counter psychoticRabbit. I didn't mean it literally. If you've read my earlier posts, it's not BetterC I have an issue with, it's the allocation of time. Well that should have been the basis of your

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:50:22 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:36:51 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: The D Language Foundation, being the leading body of D, should hold some responsibility to the interests of the majority. Please read my post from earlier:

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:36:51 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: The D Language Foundation, being the leading body of D, should hold some responsibility to the interests of the majority. Please read my post from earlier: https://forum.dlang.org/post/chsqspkoxbcdqjcqb...@forum.dlang.org The

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:46:09 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: Rust was more popular and who could use that? Rust is popular because of its ideas, not because it pandered. I don't see "programmer" portability as being pandering. It common sense. Rust is good, in that it seeks to do

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:41:33 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:25:07 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: I'm not sure what you mean at that last sentence. I mean, cause D is so compatible with C/C++/Java/C# - that you can easily switch between them. Whereas as Go and

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:36:51 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: The D Language Foundation, being the leading body of D, should hold some responsibility to the interests of the majority. And also the minority. A lesson that humanity has to learn over and over again.

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:45:01 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:36:51 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: The D Language Foundation, being the leading body of D, should hold some responsibility to the interests of the majority. And also the minority. A lesson that

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:25:07 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: I'm not sure what you mean at that last sentence. I mean, cause D is so compatible with C/C++/Java/C# - that you can easily switch between them. Whereas as Go and Rust have their own thing going, making those languages really

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:21:27 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:06:08 UTC, R wrote: Point to the wall on the left side. That is what your talking to. D its focus on C++ as a bad plan has been made pushed by many people ( lots who left ). Its like asking Go for

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:06:08 UTC, R wrote: And "scripting" language like PHP, that everybody criticizes just keeps growing and gained 11% market share in the last 7 years ( at now 83% ). Where as D its gain has been minimalist thanks to people leaving almost as fast as it gain.

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:10:28 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 00:36:19 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: Every day D becomes more like C++ 2.0, why can't it just be D? Oddly enough, I think this is D's strength. I really don't. Golang tried to draw the line, and look

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:06:08 UTC, R wrote: Point to the wall on the left side. That is what your talking to. D its focus on C++ as a bad plan has been made pushed by many people ( lots who left ). Its like asking Go for Generics. And its very nice to see the "71% in the poll do not

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 01:06:08 UTC, R wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 00:36:19 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: Well, no. I'm more concerned with the fact that the D Language Foundation is focused on BetterC, yet does not mention DLLs at all. For God's sake, if D is the future, why does it

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 00:36:19 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: Every day D becomes more like C++ 2.0, why can't it just be D? Oddly enough, I think this is D's strength. Golang tried to draw the line, and look where that got it. Now it's a limited language for a specific domain (at least

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 00:36:19 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: Well, no. I'm more concerned with the fact that the D Language Foundation is focused on BetterC, yet does not mention DLLs at all. For God's sake, if D is the future, why does it continue to leech off C/C++? Other languages like

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 00:36:19 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 11:07:56 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:47:09 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: [Omitted] I also would like to point out that I don't care if some open-source developers decide

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 11:07:56 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:47:09 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: Yeah. Why should D worry about tying itself into C when it can't even interface with itself through DLLs? A reasonable point. But.. in any case.. people work

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Friday, 9 March 2018 at 21:43:53 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Hello, the vision document of the Founation for the first six months of 2018 is here: https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2018H1 In addition to the expected items, we have a new top-level priority - locking down the language

Re: dpldocs now has cross-package search (experimental)

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 16:49:44 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: There is a bug, I just tried "mouse event" in the search box and got a strange result. oh yikes a recursive javascript redirect. fixed that. The search still kinda sucks, but it is better than nothing. If you put in a

Re: dpldocs now has cross-package search (experimental)

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 16:35:56 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 16:03:39 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: Cool, and if you are in the mood of using only arsd, for example find an example for a trigger on mouse request:

Re: dpldocs now has cross-package search (experimental)

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 16:03:39 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: Cool, and if you are in the mood of using only arsd, for example find an example for a trigger on mouse request: http://search.dpldocs.info/search-docs.html?searchTerm=arsd+mouse Yup. You can also search inside a

Re: dpldocs now has cross-package search (experimental)

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 00:09:18 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Looking for http libs? Behold: http://search.dpldocs.info/?q=http Oh my. Eats 2 GB of ram but with the newest patrons I sprung for the beefier host. Only searches projects already on the

Re: State of D 2018 Survey

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 14:24:42 UTC, Johannes Loher wrote: Is there a way to directly view the results without taking the survey again? https://dlang.typeform.com/report/H1GTak/PY9NhHkcBFG0t6ig

Re: Vibe.d web interface tutorial

On Friday, 9 March 2018 at 16:34:52 UTC, aberba wrote: On Friday, 9 March 2018 at 16:32:28 UTC, aberba wrote: New blog post for the learning audience aberba.com/2018/using-vibe-d-web-interface http://aberba.com/2018/using-vibe-d-web-interface Thank you! I linke it.

Re: State of D 2018 Survey

Am 28.02.2018 um 14:41 schrieb Mike Parker: > About a month ago, Sebastian Wilzbach sent an email out to a few of the > core D folks asking for feedback on a survey he had put together. He > thought it would be useful for the Foundation to use in order to make > decisions about where to expend

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:05:49 UTC, rumbu wrote: On Friday, 9 March 2018 at 21:43:53 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Hello, the vision document of the Founation for the first six months of 2018 is here: https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2018H1 According to the State of D Survey, 71% of

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 11:45:25 UTC, rumbu wrote: I'm talking about the D Foundation priority list, not about the open source community surrounding it. I have nothing against betterC, the community is free to work on it, but I don't understand why it's a *priority* for the D foundation.

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 11:45:25 UTC, rumbu wrote: I'm talking about the D Foundation priority list, not about the open source community surrounding it. I have nothing against betterC, the community is free to work on it, but I don't understand why it's a *priority* for the D

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 11:07:56 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:47:09 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: Yeah. Why should D worry about tying itself into C when it can't even interface with itself through DLLs? A reasonable point. But.. in any case.. people work

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:05:49 UTC, rumbu wrote: According to the State of D Survey, 71% of the respondents don't care about betterC. Why is betterC on the priority list? who cares what 'the majority' want... I mean really. stuff em! (ohh... that was in jest.. don't take that

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:05:49 UTC, rumbu wrote: According to the State of D Survey, 71% of the respondents don't care about betterC. Why is betterC on the priority list? 1. The vision document was started before the survey and the survey isn't closed, so the survey results don't

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:47:09 UTC, Dylan Graham wrote: Yeah. Why should D worry about tying itself into C when it can't even interface with itself through DLLs? A reasonable point. But.. in any case.. people work on what they are motivated to work on. That's really all there is

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:05:49 UTC, rumbu wrote: On Friday, 9 March 2018 at 21:43:53 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Hello, the vision document of the Founation for the first six months of 2018 is here: https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2018H1 According to the State of D Survey, 71% of

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:05:49 UTC, rumbu wrote: According to the State of D Survey, 71% of the respondents don't care about betterC. Why is betterC on the priority list? I believe it's because it's so important for the 29% who care. If you're doing an module for project written in

Re: Vision document for H1 2018

On Friday, 9 March 2018 at 21:43:53 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Hello, the vision document of the Founation for the first six months of 2018 is here: https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2018H1 According to the State of D Survey, 71% of the respondents don't care about betterC. Why is betterC

Re: dpldocs now has cross-package search (experimental)

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 00:09:18 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Looking for http libs? Behold: http://search.dpldocs.info/?q=http Nice!