On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 00:57:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7udfs4/is_anyone_replacing_c_with_d/
I think what will get people really interested in D, is an
updated book from Andrei.
I'm sure plenty of people (particulary C++ programmers) w
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 09:51:16 UTC, psychoticRabbit
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 00:57:16 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7udfs4/is_anyone_replacing_c_with_d/
I think what will get people really interested in D, is an
updated book fr
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 01:27:43 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 15:40:04 UTC, Jakub Łabaj
wrote:
What is the current state of the art of writing inline code in
the documentation?
To give you a quick answer, the tide is going toward ``. You
should probably j
On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 16:13 +, John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> […]
> this older language from times past, before C++11, and using ddoc
> for docs instead of markdown contributes to this perception. Let
> me know if you'd like help in translating D website and doc pages
> from ddoc t
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 18:35:50 UTC, Seb wrote:
[...]
Like:
https://github.com/adamdruppe/arsd/blob/master/simpledisplay.d
And the examples from D-Lang Tour.
So you only push a button [try D], and get a running
environment to play around.
Like this?
https://tour.dlang.org/tour/en/
On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 13:14 +, Michael via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>
[…]
> I agree that marketing is a pretty serious problem for D. Many
> people just aren't aware of it. Even for people who do not
> […]
Some suggestions:
More people putting more good projects using D on GitLab, BitBucket,
L
On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 13:54 +, Jack Stouffer via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 07:56:37 UTC, Andrew Benton
> wrote:
> > E.g. three compilers
>
> Every other compiled language (and a lot of scripting ones) uses
> the fact of multiple compilers for the language as a s
On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:11:20 +, Martin Tschierschke wrote:
> Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all enhancements and
> important decisions, maybe at first just via twitter with a special
> #tag beside #dlang where all updates are announced. And a place on the
> homepage, whe
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:20:00 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 13:14 +, Michael via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
[…]
I agree that marketing is a pretty serious problem for D. Many
people just aren't aware of it. Even for people who do not […]
Some suggestions:
More pe
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 11:49 +, Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> […]
>
> Ali gave a keynote at C++Now(?) last year(?).
I think it was. What is needed though is follow ups. ACCU, C++Now, etc.
all need a steady trickle of sessions.
--
Russel.
=
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:11:20 UTC, Martin Tschierschke
wrote:
Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all
enhancements and important decisions, maybe at first just via
twitter with a special #tag beside #dlang where all updates
are announced. And a place on the homepage,
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 12:03:43 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 11:49 +, Nicholas Wilson via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
Ali gave a keynote at C++Now(?) last year(?).
I think it was. What is needed though is follow ups. ACCU,
C++Now, etc. all need a steady trickle o
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 01:23:38 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
In CS terms, it turned a constant-time edit into a O(n)
operation, scaling linearly with the number of rows.
Well, there's line-oriented tabular data format, forgot the name
(re*-something), it looks like definition list:
---
On Tue, 2018-01-30 at 11:55 +, rjframe via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:38:31 +, Russel Winder wrote:
>
[…]
>
> Are you sure? Every project on my PC places the build files in
> $PROJECTDIR/.dub/build; the source is in ~/.dub/packages.
I see the source of the dependencies
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 12:06 +, Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
[…]
> Indeed, I will be giving a talk at IWOCL (an OpenCL conference) a
> week after DConf, promoting DCompute to the numerics folk.
Please send this in to ACCU 2019 during the CfP 2018-10-?? to 2018-11-
?? as a 90 min
As a followup to [0], I want to take a look at packaging DlangIDE with a
DMD compiler and tools, so we have an out-of-the box IDE for people giving
D a try. This would be independent of the rest of the system, so moving on
(either to Visual Studio, ldc, gdc, or whatever the programmer's preferre
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 12:22:56 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 12:06 +, Nicholas Wilson via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
Indeed, I will be giving a talk at IWOCL (an OpenCL
conference) a week after DConf, promoting DCompute to the
numerics folk.
Please send this i
On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 10:21 -0800, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>
> […]
Apologies for taking so long to get to this.
> OK, I may have worded things poorly here. What I meant was that with
> "traditional" build systems like make or SCons, whenever you needed
> to
> rebuild the source tree
On Sunday, 28 January 2018 at 06:44:28 UTC, Timothee Cour wrote:
likewise the following compiles, but IMO should not:
class A{ void fun(this a){}}
(instead we should have typeof(this)
Yes, it's also confusing reading it, I thought it was template
this for a second. It even works if fun is stat
I can see that ddoc is a pretty hot topic here ;)
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 01:27:43 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
To give you a quick answer, the tide is going toward ``. You
should probably just use it in most cases as long as the code
fits on a single line. If it is a multi-line sample, us
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 12:04:11 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
I had hoped the blog would be used for that purpose. Obviously
it is not.
And it won't be. I had vaguely imagined using it for semi-regular
news updates from the core D team, but I realized early on that
isn't going to pan out.
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:40:32 UTC, rjframe wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:11:20 +, Martin Tschierschke wrote:
Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all
enhancements and important decisions, maybe at first just via
twitter with a special #tag beside #dlang where al
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 12:55 +, Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> […]
>
> OK, will do. Might need to work on getting some more content to
> fill out the time but should be doable. Hopefully by then
> DCompute will support Vulkan, assuming that I can get consensus
> to get Vulkan as
On 1/31/18 9:58 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 1/31/2018 5:37 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Where it breaks down is when you have many nested tags, and you end
with )
Long ago, I adjusted my text editor so that when the cursor is placed on
), the matching ( is found. Ditto for { }, [ ], <
On 02/01/2018 07:18 AM, Seb wrote:
It tells quite a bit about the complexity of Ddoc that I had to add
support for -D to run.dlang.io ...
[...]
I'm not a fan of Ddoc by any means, but that has been fixed in Ddoc does
this too now: https://run.dlang.io/is/75Z55o
Uhh, is it a good idea to gener
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:21:37 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
D should be proud of having a reference compiler, a GCC-based
one, and an LLVM-based one. This is a Good Thing™, let no-one
undermine this.
Nothing wrong with choice as long as that choice does not
introduces issues. Currently
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 15:27 +, Benny via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>
[…]
> Nothing wrong with choice as long as that choice does not
> introduces issues. Currently there are 3 compilers but also 3
> different ways to install ( depending on the platform ). DMD has
> a installer, LDC needs a manua
On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 09:09:28AM -0500, Steven Schveighoffer via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 1/31/18 9:58 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> > On 1/31/2018 5:37 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> > > Where it breaks down is when you have many nested tags, and you
> > > end with )
> >
> > Long ago, I a
On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 03:47:50PM +, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 15:27 +, Benny via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> >
> […]
> > Nothing wrong with choice as long as that choice does not
> > introduces issues. Currently there are 3 compilers but also 3
> > diffe
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 16:17:45 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 03:47:50PM +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 15:27 +, Benny via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
>
[…]
> Nothing wrong with choice as long as that choice does not
> introduces issu
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 15:47:50 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
For me:
aptitude install ldc
aptitude install gdc
aptitude install dmd-bin
aptitude install dub
Seems to work fine, and no conflicts.
[…]
Please try Windows and then come back ;)
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 06:18:52 UTC, Seb wrote:
To be fair, I feel with you and all the tables I have created
are formatted as good as DDoc allows, e.g.
Yeah, that's not bad, really. I think that's actually
significantly better than the Markdown table syntax - adding a
new function o
> On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 00:57:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> > https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7udfs4/is_anyone_replacing_c_with_d/
[...]
The only useful comment I got out of that is the link to this
thought-provoking article about the so-called Blub Paradox:
http:
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 03:00:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 1/31/2018 5:58 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
cosmetic features.
I tough lesson I've learned is that cosmetics matter, a lot.
Sometimes much more than substance. There's no getting away
from it.
This is one reason I recommend mar
On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 05:33:21PM +, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 06:18:52 UTC, Seb wrote:
> > To be fair, I feel with you and all the tables I have created are
> > formatted as good as DDoc allows, e.g.
>
> Yeah, that's not bad, really. I think tha
On Monday, 29 January 2018 at 11:48:07 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
I am less convinced by this argument. Go, Rust, and especially
Java have shown the power of tribalism and belonging to the one
true tribe eschewing all others. Java is a superb example of
this: the JVM is now a polyglot platform,
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:06:09 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 16:13 +, John Gabriele via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
this older language from times past, before C++11, and using
ddoc
for docs instead of markdown contributes to this perception.
Let
me know if you'd l
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 19:10:29 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
somewhat correlate with his 20-25% macros figure. The fact that
D brings powerful metaprogramming features to the average coder
in a form that's not intimidating (or less intimidating than,
say, C++ templates with that horrific syn
On 2018-01-31 09:43, Joakim wrote:
Back when I first wrote about mixing open and closed source like this in
my 2010 Phoronix article, nobody considered it a world-beating model.
Maybe people now assume I'm just keying these ideas off the success of
Android in using a similar mixed model, but my
On 2018-02-01 13:19, Russel Winder wrote:
I see the source of the dependencies both in ~/.dub/packages and in the
project .dub directory, but I see the compilation products in
~/.dub/packages.
I'm wondering if this might be different versions of Dub behaving
differently. I have 79 packages i
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 20:52:43 UTC, Jacob Carlborg
wrote:
On 2018-01-31 09:43, Joakim wrote:
Back when I first wrote about mixing open and closed source
like this in
my 2010 Phoronix article, nobody considered it a world-beating
model.
Maybe people now assume I'm just keying these id
On 2018-02-01 13:21, rjframe wrote:
CONS:
- Working outside the IDE requires installing D again, from the official
installer. If this pack isn't immediately abandoned, multiple D versions
are in use that could cause headaches or confusion if the programmer
doesn't pay attention.
With
On 2/1/2018 3:11 AM, Martin Tschierschke wrote:
Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all enhancements and
important decisions, maybe at first just via twitter with a special #tag
beside #dlang where all updates are announced. And a place on the homepage,
where this feed is displ
On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 22:38:51 +0100, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2018-02-01 13:21, rjframe wrote:
>
>> CONS:
>> - Working outside the IDE requires installing D again, from the
>> official
>>installer. If this pack isn't immediately abandoned, multiple D
>>versions are in use that could caus
On 01/31/2018 06:38 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
And I'll be frank that sometimes Andrei
can take some effort to convince, and it takes a certain amount of
dogged persistence (and thick-skin) to get through to him sometimes.
And it doesn't help that he has so much on his plate, and generally
doesn't hav
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 12:21:24 UTC, rjframe wrote:
As a followup to [0], I want to take a look at packaging
DlangIDE with a DMD compiler and tools, so we have an
out-of-the box IDE for people giving D a try. This would be
independent of the rest of the system, so moving on (either to
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
Yes, obviously the current situation isn't ideal, but it's not
too bad either and we have found one good, but probably not so
well-known yet way to tackle this: the dlang-community
organization on GH (https://github.com/dlang-community)
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 08:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
...
My time-limited model makes sure all source is made open
eventually, once the developers have been paid for their work.
This deceptive hybrid model (based I my understanding of it per
the description above) is really offensiv
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 17:13:52 UTC, Seb wrote:
curl https://i.dlang.io/install.sh | bash -s dmd
Yeah..let's all run an untrusted shell script (with unknown
contents), right off the web.
Will people never learn?
On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:23:46 +, Seb wrote:
> I wouldn't worry about the compiler being duplicated as (1) it's pretty
> small (~30 MB with docs and all) and (2) I have seen so many NodeJS
> projects doing simple things with multiple gigabytes of dependencies.
> And if that really turns out to b
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:15:55 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote:
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 17:13:52 UTC, Seb wrote:
curl https://i.dlang.io/install.sh | bash -s dmd
Yeah..let's all run an untrusted shell script (with unknown
contents), right off the web.
Will people never learn?
On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:42:08 +, Meta wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
>
>> Yes, obviously the current situation isn't ideal, but it's not too bad
>> either and we have found one good, but probably not so well-known yet
>> way to tackle this: the dlang-communi
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:33:30 UTC, rjframe wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:42:08 +, Meta wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
Yes, obviously the current situation isn't ideal, but it's
not too bad
either and we have found one good, but probably not so
w
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:25:47 UTC, Arun Chandrasekaran
wrote:
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:15:55 UTC, psychoticRabbit
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 17:13:52 UTC, Seb wrote:
curl https://i.dlang.io/install.sh | bash -s dmd
Yeah..let's all run an untrusted shell script (w
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:25:47 UTC, Arun Chandrasekaran
wrote:
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:15:55 UTC, psychoticRabbit
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 17:13:52 UTC, Seb wrote:
curl https://i.dlang.io/install.sh | bash -s dmd
Yeah..let's all run an untrusted shell script (w
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 15:27:02 UTC, Benny wrote:
Suggestion:
Is it maybe not better to have one "front-end" compiler visible
that people download
Example:
D run main.d
D run main.d --compiler ldc ( not installed? Auto download and
compile using dub )
D run main.d --compiler ldc -
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 12:21:24 UTC, rjframe wrote:
As a followup to [0], I want to take a look at packaging
DlangIDE with a DMD compiler and tools, so we have an
out-of-the box IDE for people giving D a try. This would be
independent of the rest of the system, so moving on (either to
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