, now or in
the future, that are necessarily infringed due to
characteristics of my LibreOffice contributions
and such of those that survive in derivatives.
I represent that I am legally entitled to grant the above
licenses.
March 7, 2013
Dennis E. Hamilton
4401 44th Ave SW
Seattle, WA
the contribution is submitted to. They don't, in themselves, apply to anyone
else.
Now, with that context, here is my reply to Pescetti's post on AOO (I didn't
want to cross-post or continue the cross-quoting):
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013
/openoffice-dev/201303.mbox/%3c008801ce1c21$0deb3560$29c1a020$@apache.org%3e.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 09:19
To: d...@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: GRANT OF LICENSE: Dennis E. Hamilton
The grant of license
I work with a 2560 x 1600 display. One reason is so that I can do work among
multiple documents that I keep open at once. I *never* have a document
application running full screen on my 30 monitor.
I even object to web pages that can't be viewed properly unless the
browser-window is kept too
Using the address by which I am subscribed to discuss @df.o
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 19:48
To: LOffice Developers List (libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org)
Cc: 'discuss@documentfoundation.org'
Subject: Grant
SourceForge reports downloads by country. It appears that the number of
languages supported does not limit the locations where the downloads happen
(although destination country is necessarily an estimate, just as it is on
the ClustrMap of visitors to my web sites).
I assume that as language
I thought the article explained exactly how it was calculated:
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/21_million_per_day. There's no need to
speculate.
There are two base figures: (1) the average number of AOO full-install
downloads per day and (2) an estimated average price for a permanent
Good idea to stop using persona. Also, Mozilla uses persona for their
identity system, perhaps why the same term is no longer going to be used for
the theme system.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 16,
.
Thanks,
LJ
On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that the
provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional
Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all
+1
-Original Message-
From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 07:11
To: Boudi van Vlijmen
Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable
Based on limited anecdotal evidence (my own), Office 2010 support for ODF
formats seems to be about the same as in Office 2007. For Office 2013, I am
always startled by how well Excel 2013 (Preview) works with .ods files now
that OpenFormula is supported. On the other hand, in my few trials with
Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that the
provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional
Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft
Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for Strict
on
it for something (certain LibreOffice extensions, Base, other Java-based
applications, etc.).
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 09:10
To: 'Simon Phipps'
Cc: 'lj'; 'Libreoffice Discussion List'
Subject: RE: [tdf
to be a browser for there to be an issue even if OpenJDK is
affected. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2013-0422 for
lots of data...
S.
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
Again, thanks to Simon Phipps for retweeting the information
what the remaining concern
is, or if it is simply a lag in reports that have not recognized the latest
patches.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 13:27
To: 'lj'; 'Libreoffice Discussion List'
Subject: RE
This just out:
https://blogs.oracle.com/security/entry/security_alert_for_cve_2013
(Thanks to Simon Phipps for the link.)
Note that the vulnerabilities only affect Oracle Java 7 versions.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 12,
If you are going to quote the Free Software Foundation, please provide a link
to the appropriate information. Note that one such statement, now 18 months old
(before Apache OpenOffice had even organized as a podling and produced any
releases), is less absolute:
] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences
On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 20:53 -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
I contribute to Alv2-licensed projects and I agree to the ASF rules
for Apache committers. It satisfies me that anyone who receives code
from me can do essentially all of the things that I can do
[Resent using the list-known correct e-mail address]
Is it CMIS that is being asked about?
There is more information here:
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=cmis.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Immanuel Giulea [mailto:giulea.imman...@gmail.com]
Sent:
That is completely incorrect, no matter how many folks keep saying it.
Put simply: using the LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice distributions does not
raise any practical limitations on most personal use as well as use by
individuals in their business or institutional activities.
- Dennis
PS:
of that company's software ownership
and no longer available for an open source project?
On 12/31/2012 08:28 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
That is completely incorrect, no matter how many folks keep saying it.
Put simply: using the LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice distributions does not
raise any
I dropped an important word:
I have *no* quarrel with others who want their code to be handled differently.
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 20:54
To: 'webmaster-Kracked_P_P'; discuss@documentfoundation.org
That's BS. The disclosure has been embargoed since it report to multiple
security lists in January. All of the involved parties recently settled on the
March 22 date because that was the earliest date Apache OpenOffice could
produce either a release or a patch in First-Quarter 2012. There is
Although not paying sufficient homage to the brilliant Umberto Eco, it would
seem that having good tool tips would matter for both the icons (which are
often quite tiny) and for accessibility reasons. And the internationalization
of the tool tips may be rather important.
It would also be good
It is none of my business how TDF establishes its governance and qualifies its
officials.
Just the same, I thought it strange that there was a question of any conflict
seen in Drew Jensen's participation on Apache projects.
I want to say two things, because I have Drew in high regard and I
Now that's the most embarrassing thing I have done in a long time. Mi
dispiace molto :(
Please pretend I never spoke about this.
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 19:36
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject
or still unanswered questions about OO.o and LO.
More eyes on those, especially for those who are enamored of Stock Exchange,
would be valuable.
- Dennis E. Hamilton
tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/
dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid
One touch up.
There is no de.openoffice.org forum.
However, there is this nice page of sources provided there:
http://de.openoffice.org/foren.html.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Fabian Rodriguez [mailto:magic...@member.fsf.org]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 13:06
To:
I have no desire to get in the middle of this.
I do have some interesting statistics gleaned from the current OpenOffice.org
Forums for another purpose earlier today. Here is something about the scale
and level of interest that exists even now, independent of the current status
of releases
for the
independent German language Forum. I'm confident it would create a top 4.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 15:14
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
I have
orcmid comment=below /
-Original Message-
From: Marc Paré [mailto:m...@marcpare.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 03:35
To: us...@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
[ ... ]
Thanks to all the
I was hasty. The 2003 bug report is about a browser plug-in for
OpenOffice.org, not ODF, and not anything like ODF embedded in an HTML5
document or whatever else the current idea turns into.
The comment stream is amusing, however disappointingly predictable.
- Dennis E. Hamilton
tools
Concerning any accessibility issues around e-mail conversations,
Cor reports that an accessibility expert says the main requirement
is that the text be in ASCII.
Cor, does that mean Unicode (i.e., UTF-8) is undesirable? Or was
the response not that technical?
- Dennis E. Hamilton
tools
Which RFC's are you talking about? Numbers please.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Mark Preston [mailto:m...@mpreston.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 06:12
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List
will most powerfully serve
those on [libreoffice-accessibility]? What do those with access limitations
confirm to be the best that works for all of them? Whatever *that* is, I will
do everything in my power to honor.
- Dennis E. Hamilton
tools for document interoperability, http
using an ASCII terminal or a TTY
printer. If someone tells me it is critical to using a brailler or
text-to-speech today, I will pay a lot more attention.
- Dennis E. Hamilton
tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/
dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid
orcmid comments-in-line=true /
-Original Message-
From: Tim Schofield [mailto:t...@weberpafrica.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 14:03
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List
Guidelines Page?
On 30 September
The OASIS ODF 1.2 Committee Specification 01 has been successfully advanced to
an OASIS Standard,
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201109/msg00010.html.
The final ballot results for approval of OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 is at
The statement that there is perfect interoperability between older and current
versions of OpenOffice and LibreOffice is incorrect. An example of that is in
the handling of lists in text documents. These things happen. Some times for
good reasons. Sometimes for no reason (bugs and
,
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on 2011-07-21 20:27:
I think the DMCA guff is avoidable as long as your extension site is not in
the United States. Mirrors will have to be careful too, though.
do you have any hands-on experience on how other projects deal with
their mirrors in this area?
Florian
...@documentfoundation.org]
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 14:09
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] disclaimer for extension website
Hi,
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on 2011-07-23 18:21:
No, I have no experience with that.
But a mirror in the United States needs to provide a place
).
-Original Message-
From: e-letter [mailto:inp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 07:33
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?
On 21/07/2011, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Yes, don't confuse ODF compatibility
Yes, don't confuse ODF compatibility with OpenOffice.org (or LibreOffice)
compatibility. I was in the room on one occasion when Microsoft was asking for
advice on their approach to ODF 1.1 Spreadsheet documents.
Unfortunately, none of us blinked about how this would work for users who are
That might make the difference.
The Windows install files expand to 200 MB on disk, then the LO install itself
has a 450MB footprint in C:\Program Files\.
Getting the 200 MB onto an external drive (USB stick) should be no problem.
In case you forgot, Also remember to empty the recycle bin of
+1
-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Dippold [mailto:bernh...@familie-dippold.at]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:24
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF
[ ... ]
If you want such a feature become true, create a team working on this
Neither PDF nor ODF were initially designed by a global consortium like OASIS.
PDF and PostScript have obvious origins, as does ODF in a proposal from Sun and
its contribution the XML version of a pre-ODF version of OpenOffice.org (and as
does OOXML in a proposal to ECMA International from
.
[ ... ]
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
My Windows 7 C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 10.0\ folder is 181 MB.
Where do you get the 6 GB?
I simply right clicked on the folder that contains adobe reader 9 and
nothing else, the rest of the Adobe products are in a folder one level up
glad
that OOo and LO have the capability of outputting in that format. My
only real complaint is that Adobe has let their reader application
become unnecessarily bloated, see below.
[ ... ]
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
My Windows 7 C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 10.0\ folder is 181
Well, sure, you can use an ODF package just like a Zip archive and add parts to
it.
The ODF Specification does not prevent that.
However, the META-INF/manifest.xml file should be updated to include the
addition.
You can't count on any ODF consumer preserving a file that seems to have no
use,
]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 01:26
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2
Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
4. It is incorrect to presume that Font Embedding will not be in ODF 1.3
+1 although it is about fidelity too, especially in things like presentations.
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:27
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was
A working implementation would be great, although a working specification would
be better, since the ODF can consider that while others test it for
implementation. And if you want to build it into a LibreOffice as an extended
use of the format, all the better, but you need to be prepared for
All right, let's put a stake through the heart of this puppy.
I just created three documents. One is pretty large so I put them at Windows
SkyDrive:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=33894f6489994ba7resid=33894F6489994BA7!371
1. A Microsoft Word 2010 1-page document with a small image
Details here: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/201106/msg00061.html
This is a public review.
From the announcement, which provides all details on locating the specification
and background on the process:
Comments may be submitted to the TC by any person through the use
of the OASIS
My Windows 7 C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 10.0\ folder is 181 MB.
Where do you get the 6 GB?
-Original Message-
From: Robert Derman [mailto:robert.der...@pressenter.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 21:24
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] New
Since I am receiving reminders about my individual membership in OASIS, I can
answer that question:
No. There is no specific enrollment period or fixed calendar of memberships.
Annual memberships are for the full year from the day a membership application
is accepted.
Since you are
Ignoring the repetition on who is entitled to source code and how they are told
about it, I would like to know the answers to some very specific, tangible
matters closer to home. My question is basically whether the terms of a GPL
license attached to a software distribution are applicable to
@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement
(Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
[ ... ]
I have a copy of LibreOffice 3.3.2
Well, it is not the OCA or ICLA that is passed onward.
So the question is, I think, is there any difference in how the OCA allowed
Oracle to license the contributions and how the ICLA allows Apache to license
contributions? There is one obvious difference: Apache can't enter into a
private
Why is that a poor picture?
I am confident that some users choose Open/LibreOffice distributions for
ideological reasons.
I also think many adopt software because they have a need that it satisfies in
their use of it in creating and interchanging documents and the FOSS assurance
has little
I am not happy with Allen's characterization of Simon's participation.
I suspect the difference is that Allen put himself on the list of initial
committers and is now on the podling PPMC at Apache. Simon did not choose to
put himself on that list.
That's Simon's business.
Simon has been a
+1
-Original Message-
From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:37
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 13:40, Pieter E. Zanstra pie...@zanstra.eu
I want to clear up one thing (I hope):
Doesn't this mean that changing the license to Apache removes the right to
have access to the modified source code if a company so chooses?
As a developer, you never had those rights to begin with.
Apache is not removing any rights from You.
+1
-Original Message-
From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:58
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] OCA vs. ICLA: two names - one thing?
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:17, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
Hi
I'm sorry. I have IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0 with fixpack 2 installed on my
computer and I didn't pay anyone for it.
It is free to download. Registration required. That's it.
If I want support, that is different. Not much different than with Sun Star
Office and Oracle Office, actually.
True,
Here's my sense of how they are different things:
The ICLA is not a copyright assignment of any kind. It is only a license and
your affirmation that you have the right to grant it.
The OCA non-exclusively transfers a property right. The license doesn't work
that way. My understanding is
It seems very clear that the Apache Foundation will not do that -- re-license.
They have neither desire nor self-interest in so doing, based on what their
high-level participants have said.
However, by reintegrating the Apache OpenOffice.org bits, LibreOffice can do it
themselves. It would
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